Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Like, it's almost as if crossovers put characters designed by different artists who won't have the same nuances to their styles at all together in the same place. I oversimplified my argument so people who think we have too many Ryus could understand it but you can't say that the Pokemon Trainer is in the same artstyle as, say, a FE character even if you'd simplify both of them as "anime style".
Crossovers that fail to recreate the original artstyles and instead opt for an unified one are almost always universally disliked. Just look at Jump Force and how everyone pretty much agrees on how ugly it looks. It doesn't just lack the appeal of the original designs but also prevents characters from standing out from one another.


I mean, do I need to remind any of you that this is a thing that works?

Hell, ITSV is also a good point for your argument.

The different artstyles made each Spider-person stand on itself more during the movie.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Not fitting with the artstyle has been the whole thing with Smash since the beginning, I'll never understand why it suddenly became a complaint. Even more in this day and age when the best 2018 movie(who will be the best 2019 movie for me) has three realistic spider-men/women pairing up with film noir spider-man, a cartoony pig spider-man and a gag-manga spider-woman.

Anyways
Cartoony humans with janky proportions
Realistic proportioned or "Animay" style
Cartoony kid who's the same size as the cartoony plumbers with eyes that have seen the void
Human proportioned anthropomorphized fox
Cartoony animals with animalistic proportions
literally what is this

Ok but now how can I say I don't want them without sounding petty as ****?

 

[GameWatching]

You're likely right but he looks aesthetically so stupid. It is probably a disconnect between my generation and the newer generation. I didn't find Minecraft interesting at all. Banjo and Masterchief or more in tune with my generation. Frankly, my big beef with most of these characters is that they just look stupid and don't fit with the rest of the Smash cast.

Megaman, Sonic, Pacman, Simon Belmont, and Ryu all fit well with Pikachu, Mario, Kirby, Link, Donkey Kong, Star Fox. You take the original 8-12 characters and match them against the 5 proposed DLC and it just doesn't fit. Rayman, Banjo, Crash, Tails, etc. fit better with the original Smash cast.

Subjective. Many would be more pleased with Steve over Banjo as well.

 

[GoeGoe]

Megaman, Sonic, Pacman, Simon Belmont, and Ryu all fit well with Pikachu, Mario, Kirby, Link, Donkey Kong, Star Fox. You take the original 8-12 characters and match them against the 5 proposed DLC and it just doesn't fit. Rayman, Banjo, Crash, Tails, etc. fit better with the original Smash cast.

Agree.. but what about Goemon T^T

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

Ok but now how can I say I don't want them without sounding petty as ****?

It's amazing how many fights could be avoided on this board if people just owned up that they don't like something and not portray their not liking it as a fundamental law of the universe.

 

[Deleted member]

It's amazing how many fights could be avoided on this board if people just owned up that they don't like something and not portray their not liking it as a fundamental law of the universe.

As someone who likes Dragon Quest, i agree a lot with your post.

 

[GoeGoe]

So can anyone clarify which's true?
-Data miners and some web sites state that the total number of music pieces are 1034! Is this really true?
-Data miners on an early stage of mining said the total number of videos in Smash were 17! Is that also true?
I almost done everything in the game (almost), and there seem no truth to either!

 

[Deleted member]

If this is the DLC wave then I would be VERY DISAPPOINTED and consider not buying it as well as any Nintendo system in the future. I am alright with Doomguy but the rest of these characters I have never heard of and don't care about. Knowing Nintendo's dumb decisions about the roster since the August direct, it probably is true. I have lost faith in the Smash development team.

Steve over Banjo or even Masterchief is just plain stupid and shows that Nintendo is out of touch with the fanbase and clearly doesn't read this board. I mean the Banjo support thread has 200 rows of posts while Steve has like 9. All over youtube & twitter, the reaction to Steve was very negative.

Ryu whatever his name is - Don't we have already a Ryu in the game?

Dragon Quest - This one doesn't bother me a lot but still another fantasy sword user which is addressed by Fire Emblem

Joker - This to me was the greatest offense because he is an obscure character and took up a spot from SEGA who has a lot better reps. A second Sonic the Hedgehog rep would have been more popular and fit Smash better.

Where is Rayman and Ubisoft representation? They have supported Nintendo forever and Sakurai keeps trolling this fanbase by putting in trophies (Smash 4) and Spirits (Ultimate). When is Nintendo or Sora going to stop being ******** to the Rayman fanbase and put him in the game. He fits VERY WELL with all the cartoony Nintendo characters and would have a VERY UNIQUE moveset. It makes too MUCH DAMN SENSE and I guess that is why Nintendo is being so stupid about it.

Where is Crash Bandicoot? Same as Rayman, another legend platform character on par with Kirby, Donkey Kong, and the other Nintendo characters that fits well with them.

I may just buy Doomguy and the Dragon Quest guy. However, I am hoping that this rumor isn't true.

Spoiler

I cannot tell if this is satire or not.

The fact that you may honestly think that Joker is a niche no name or that this website, which doesn't even make up like 3% of the playerbase, is representative of what everyone wants is...hoo boy.

Not bashing your character picks, but from a business and marketing perspective, all of those rumored characters would make a lot more waves and get a lot more hype. If you think for one second Steve's negative reception would be anything more than a tiny echo chamber, then I honestly think you need to look at this a little more objectively, and also look outside the "I'm cool because I hate something popular" echo chambers of the internet.

 

[MrPowerfulJeans]

This is very random, but I had a dream last night, that the Angry Birds were an assist trophy.

When you summoned them, the structures appeared, and it turned into a standard game of Angry Birds. The birds would be automatically launched from the slingshot, towards the structures. If you were in the path of the destruction, you would take some serious damage

Is it bad that I want this to be a thing, now?

Honestly, if we ever get mobile representation in Smash, Angry Birds isn't a bad place to start.

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

So can anyone clarify which's true?
-Data miners and some web sites state that the total number of music pieces are 1034! Is this really true?
-Data miners on an early stage of mining said the total number of videos in Smash were 17! Is that also true?
I almost done everything in the game (almost), and there seem no truth to either!

I can't find any evidence for any of this. Doesn't mean it isn't there but google fu is coming up empty.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Nintendo is out of touch with the fanbase and clearly doesn't read this board

I dread to imagine what the game would look like if they did tbh

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

So, besides the new leaks, what else is new?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly though the most 'literal who' pick according to the rumoured 3 would be Hayabusa, but that's just my unfamiliarity with the franchise beyond the NES games, considering it's still alive and DOA is a thing I'm aware it's just me being out of the loop.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

So, besides the new leaks, what else is new?

Nothing really. Same chaos, different day.

 

[Deleted member]

So, besides the new leaks, what else is new?

Tomorrow is the second day of Christmas in Spain. And i plan to show my gifts on the NintenZone tomorrow when i get all of them.


In regards to Smash, nothing really.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I dread to imagine what the game would look like if they did tbh

I mean, I doubt they read these boards, but they do listen to the fans overall, and nothing bad has happened yet.

 

[Deleted member]

I dread to imagine what the game would look like if they did tbh

"We at Nintendo would like to announce Super Smash Bros.: Random 90s Characters Barely Anyone Remembers and Random Side Characters Only Hardcore Fans of A Series Knows About Edition!"

And this comes from someone who wants those characters, lol.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly though the most 'literal who' pick according to the rumoured 3 would be Hayabusa, but that's just my unfamiliarity with the franchise beyond the NES games, considering it's still alive and DOA is a thing I'm aware it's just me being out of the loop.

The AVGN also made a cool video about Ninja Gaiden, so that also helps to remember the franchise.

"We at Nintendo would like to announce Super Smash Bros.: Random 90s Characters Barely Anyone Remembers and Random Side Characters Only Hardcore Fans of A Series Knows About Edition!"

And this comes from someone who wants those characters, lol.

Crash Bandicoot is still remembered a lot, doh.

The sales of N.Sane Trilogy are proof of it.

 

[---]

Not fitting with the artstyle has been the whole thing with Smash since the beginning, I'll never understand why it suddenly became a complaint. Even more in this day and age when the best 2018 movie(who will be the best 2019 movie for me) has three realistic spider-men/women pairing up with film noir spider-man, a cartoony pig spider-man and a gag-manga spider-woman.

Anyways
Cartoony humans with janky proportions
Realistic proportioned or "Animay" style
Cartoony kid who's the same size as the cartoony plumbers with eyes that have seen the void
Human proportioned anthropomorphized fox
Cartoony animals with animalistic proportions
literally what is this

Four years later, and this is still relevant:

Spoiler

It's amazing how many fights could be avoided on this board if people just owned up that they don't like something and not portray their not liking it as a fundamental law of the universe.

But then us mods would be out of a job. Can you imagine a world without moderators?

 

[Nesysli]

Whoever is added as DLC, I REALLY hope they paint their mural on the Smash website's art banner. I love to have a poster of it with all the DLC characters added.

 

[Raxxel]

If this is the DLC wave then I would be VERY DISAPPOINTED and consider not buying it as well as any Nintendo system in the future. I am alright with Doomguy but the rest of these characters I have never heard of and don't care about. Knowing Nintendo's dumb decisions about the roster since the August direct, it probably is true. I have lost faith in the Smash development team.

Steve over Banjo or even Masterchief is just plain stupid and shows that Nintendo is out of touch with the fanbase and clearly doesn't read this board. I mean the Banjo support thread has 200 rows of posts while Steve has like 9. All over youtube & twitter, the reaction to Steve was very negative.

Ryu whatever his name is - Don't we have already a Ryu in the game?

Dragon Quest - This one doesn't bother me a lot but still another fantasy sword user which is addressed by Fire Emblem

Joker - This to me was the greatest offense because he is an obscure character and took up a spot from SEGA who has a lot better reps. A second Sonic the Hedgehog rep would have been more popular and fit Smash better.

Where is Rayman and Ubisoft representation? They have supported Nintendo forever and Sakurai keeps trolling this fanbase by putting in trophies (Smash 4) and Spirits (Ultimate). When is Nintendo or Sora going to stop being ******** to the Rayman fanbase and put him in the game. He fits VERY WELL with all the cartoony Nintendo characters and would have a VERY UNIQUE moveset. It makes too MUCH DAMN SENSE and I guess that is why Nintendo is being so stupid about it.

Where is Crash Bandicoot? Same as Rayman, another legend platform character on par with Kirby, Donkey Kong, and the other Nintendo characters that fits well with them.

I may just buy Doomguy and the Dragon Quest guy. However, I am hoping that this rumor isn't true.

Is nobody gonna bring up that you legit acted as if this gigantic echo chamber of a board is representative of the entire Smash community? Nintendo isn't out of touch for appealing more towards the young mainstream audience who make up a majority of the Smash playerbase. I myself would prefer Banjo over Steve, but Nintendo isn't wrong for choosing the more recognizable face.

 

[Untouch]

so if erdrick uses his NES design he isn't an anime swordsman, but if he uses his SNES design he is?
good to know

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The AVGN also made a cool video about Ninja Gaiden, so that also helps to remember the franchise.

That's part of why I'm aware of the NES games' infamy, the other is every 2010 'Top 10 most annoying enemies in video games' having the birds and that Ninja Gaiden was the first game to have cutscenes and alongside Metal Gear, helped make some more detailed and coherent stories beyond "Baddie is a baddie and did bad things. Stop them!"

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

Honestly though the most 'literal who' pick according to the rumoured 3 would be Hayabusa, but that's just my unfamiliarity with the franchise beyond the NES games, considering it's still alive and DOA is a thing I'm aware it's just me being out of the loop.

Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden 2 are some of the more fondly talked about games. You can get Black on modern gen consoles now.

 

[Deleted member]

Crash Bandicoot is still remembered a lot, doh.

The sales of N.Sane Trilogy are proof of it.

No offense intended, just a little lighthearted jab more so directed at myself (a LOT of my picks fit what I described, lol).

 

[Deleted member]

No offense intended, just a little lighthearted jab more so directed at myself (a LOT of my picks fit what I described, lol).

I'm not offended, so don't worry.

And it is true that there are characters like Klonoa who fit your description.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Not gonna lie, I don't really care for the DLC characters as I have personally not played much of their games, but I totally understand their impact/prominence and will certainly be excited for them and mostly the people that want them.

I can't help but want a few more Nintendo characters like Dixie, Elma, or BWD, though.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I dread to imagine what the game would look like if they did tbh

their games would be absolute ****e if they listen to this and "the other" fourm, I guarantee it

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not offended, so don't worry.

And it is true that there are characters like Klonoa who fit your description.

Characters being obscure doesn't mean they shouldn't be in, though.

I honestly believe people should support who they like. Klonoa would actually be pretty cool!

 

[Deleted member]

Characters being obscure doesn't mean they shouldn't be in, though.

I honestly believe people should support who they like. Klonoa would actually be pretty cool!

I completely agree.

It would be interesting to see the character’s gameplay translated into Smash.

 

[volbound1700]

Gonna take a guess and say you only play Nintendo games?

The MC of an award winning JRPG that sold more 3 million (more than Sonic Forces btw) despite being only on PS4 (and a limited PS3 print run) sure as hell isn't obscure.

I have an Xbox one and Playstation 3. Games I play are Elder Scrolls, Halo, Fallout, etc. JRPGs are really obscure to most people. Not sure of the value of adding non-Nintendo JPRG characters.

Subjective. Many would be more pleased with Steve over Banjo as well.

I doubt it. Most people who play Minecraft don't know who Steve is. Steve got HUGE backlash when he was first announced on this board by all Smash fans. Similar, the backlash against him on youtube and twitter is high. If Steve was a wanted character, why didn't he place in the Smash poll?

Frankly, a Minecraft level would be enough to please the fans. I am surprised Nintendo just doesn't do a Minecraft Avatar as the character (similar to Villager or Robin).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I have an Xbox one and Playstation 3. Games I play are Elder Scrolls, Halo, Fallout, etc. JRPGs are really obscure to most people. Not sure of the value of adding non-Nintendo JPRG characters.

We should take away the rights of JRPG fans tbh

 

[Opossum]

The way I see it is this.

My only disappointment with the rumored DLC list is that it's an all third party list without Crash. That doesn't mean, however, that the ones they did pick are bad picks. Hell, I actually PREFER Steve to Banjo by a long shot.

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

I have an Xbox one and Playstation 3. Games I play are Elder Scrolls, Halo, Fallout, etc. JRPGs are really obscure to most people. Not sure of the value of adding non-Nintendo JPRG characters.

You have literally no idea just how much of a juggernaut DQ is over in Japan, do you?
Do you research anything before giving your Hot Opinions™ ?

I doubt it. Most people who play Minecraft don't know who Steve is. Steve got HUGE backlash when he was first announced on this board by all Smash fans. Similar, the backlash against him on youtube and twitter is high. If Steve was a wanted character, why didn't he place in the Smash poll?

Frankly, a Minecraft level would be enough to please the fans. I am surprised Nintendo just doesn't do a Minecraft Avatar as the character (similar to Villager or Robin).

STEVE IS THE MINECRAFT AVATAR

 

[Opossum]

I doubt it. Most people who play Minecraft don't know who Steve is. Steve got HUGE backlash when he was first announced on this board by all Smash fans. Similar, the backlash against him on youtube and twitter is high. If Steve was a wanted character, why didn't he place in the Smash poll?

Frankly, a Minecraft level would be enough to please the fans. I am surprised Nintendo just doesn't do a Minecraft Avatar as the character (similar to Villager or Robin).

Steve is everywhere in the marketing. Steve has tons of action figures produced of himself. His face is plastered on tons of clothes and merchandise. Every year, Steve gets mass produced Halloween costumes at places like WalMart and Party City.

To say "people know Minecraft but not Steve" just proves you're not arguing in good faith. Steve is more well known than most of the current roster, and basically all of the Nintendo characters not yet in (outside of maybe Toad, Waluigi, and certain Pokémon). That's a fact.

 

[osby]

I have an Xbox one and Playstation 3. Games I play are Elder Scrolls, Halo, Fallout, etc. JRPGs are really obscure to most people. Not sure of the value of adding non-Nintendo JPRG characters.

Yeah, like Final Fantasy, who? We can't allow a minority of games to invade Smash. Non-JRPG gamers, rise up!

EDIT: Also something something don't double post

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

I have an Xbox one and Playstation 3. Games I play are Elder Scrolls, Halo, Fallout, etc. JRPGs are really obscure to most people. Not sure of the value of adding non-Nintendo JPRG characters.

So Final Fantasy just doesn’t exist then?

 

[Deleted member]

Hatebases are always vocal but that doesn't mean they're the the majority. Unlike what people think, Steve being in Smash would be well-received by the majority. You don't become one of the biggest games of all time if people don't like you. While 30 year olds will be ******** in online boards, Steve's Fighter Pack will sell like water.

Ok but now how can I say I don't want them without sounding petty as ****?

Just say we have too many Ryus

 

[YoshiandToad]

I mean, do I need to remind any of you that this is a thing that works?

Saying 'it works' is honestly highly subjective.

It works as in; it exists. But Sora's bright colourscheme alongside his anthromorphic duck and dog friends stands out in the doom and gloomy palettes of the Pirates world. Personally I think it looks jarring as hell...although not as weird as seeing Jack next to Donald Duck or Goofy.

Honestly looks awful, even ignoring the poor resolution issues of this screenshot.

However, at least they changed this horrific mesh up for KH3 with Sora, Donald and Goofy now matching the tone of the Pirates world:

Donald and Goofy still don't really look like they belong entirely(they look like wooden carvings at best), but at least that stark cartoon colours vs. realistic browns and greys has been removed and thus it feels like these characters could interact rather than one side being photoshopped into the world.

But hey, again, subjective.

That being said ignoring Kingdom Hearts and getting back to Smash Bros:

**** it; we had Samus Aran and Captain Falcon hanging out with Mario and Luigi and Ness with all being the same species and no one's claiming the original Smash 64 roster didn't work even though that's technically an aesthetic mess too(literally only saved by the limitations of graphics back then)

Bring on the Steve.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Oh, you can use Yoshi against me all ya want

unrelated, but I dig that new avatar of yours

Battleship (Based on the awful movie btw), Crash of the Titans (And Mind Over Mutant), some Nicktoons games, Madagascar, some other SpongeBob games, Prince Caspian (The DS version is awful from my experience), Toy Story 3 and some others.

Nickelodeon games back in the day were ****ing awesome

Four years later, and this is still relevant:

Spoiler

But then us mods would be out of a job. Can you imagine a world without moderators?

ah Awkward Zombie...memories p