Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[SnakeFighter64]

I don't like things that are in your face "LOOK AT THE JIGGLING TIDDIES!"


I'm a man, I love breasts, but at the same time, I don't need a game reminding me "HEY, YOU'RE A GUY, RIGHT? BOOBS ARE GOOD, RIGHT?!" for the majority of it.


Fanservice is best when used in moderation, not when your entire game is "MAX COMBO TO DESTROY HER CLOTHES AND MAKE HER FIGHT IN HER PANTIES AND BRA!"

Ok. So it’s not for you. I get that. But..... there are people who do like that stuff. So just let them enjoy what they enjoy and ignore them. The commentary age has put us in a dangerous era of thinking opinions can be objective facts when they’re not and can never be. I understand that doesn’t really help in the context of those characters being added to Smash or BlazeBlue, but.......

 

[Shroob]

Ok. So it’s not for you. I get that. But..... there are people who do like that stuff. So just let them enjoy what they enjoy and ignore them. I understand that doesn’t really help in the context of those characters being added to Smash or BlazeBlue, but.......

That's fine if they like it, my opinion on the series shouldn't sway their opinions, but I'm also allowed to voice my disgust for the series as much as they are allowed to show their support of it.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

That's fine if they like it, my opinion on the series shouldn't sway their opinions, but I'm also allowed to voice my disgust for the series as much as they are allowed to show their support of it.

You’re half right. Your allowed to say you don’t like it, but you can’t be an ass about it. Obviously people are over sensitive and can be offended by anything, but you need to at least try to be respectful of other people. Long story short, you are allowed to say you don’t like it, that’s fine. But saying you’re disgusted by it is a little mean. Trust me. I’ve learned first hand what being mean online gets you. It’s not worth it.

 

[Shroob]

You’re half right. Your allowed to say you don’t like it, but you can’t be an *** about it. Obviously people are over sensitive and can be offended by anything, but you need to at least try to be respectful of other people. Long story short, you are allowed to say you don’t like it, that’s fine. But saying you’re disgusted by it is a little mean.

I don't think I'm being an ass at all. I think prefacing my original post by calling myself a 'family friendly degenerate' should have given light of me not being very serious at all.

Especially since "Family friendly" and "Degenerate" don't even go together in the same sentence.

 

[KarneraMythos]

Come to think of it, with Joker confirmed, these two would be fun to have in Smash:

I even humored the idea of a Super Smash Bros. Ultimate x BBTAG crossover several months ago with my Offline Friends. The only difference is that Narukami was in the line up. I think these two and Joker could still work though. Who knows? Maybe it could happen in the future.

 

[Idon]

Come to think of it, with Joker confirmed, these two would be fun to have in Smash:
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I even humored the idea of a Super Smash Bros. Ultimate x BBTAG crossover several months ago with my Offline Friends. The only difference is that Narukami was in the line up. I think these two and Joker could still work though. Who knows? Maybe it could happen in the future.

Oh come on at least pick the RIGHT red anime fighting game protagonist:

 

[Shroob]

Oh come on at least pick the RIGHT red anime fighting game protagonist:

Broken pic.

Is it Sol Badguy? It better be Sol Badguy.

 

[Idon]

Broken pic.

Is it Sol Badguy? It better be Sol Badguy.

Obviously it's Luna Goodgal.

 

[osby]

Oh come on at least pick the RIGHT red anime fighting game protagonist:

RIGHT? I thought he was the LEFT

 

[DevaAshera]

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Please tell me that last one involves these costumes:

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Naturally, they ARE Robotic..I just blanked on what other robotic Mii Costumes existed for a moment.

I liked this a lot. Though, personally, I'd switch the places of Bowser and Bayonetta.

I went with Bayonetta for Lust due to her more sexual nature and lack of a sexual predator character to fit for Kamoshida (thank god). Bowser may kidnap Peach, but he's never really been seen as particularly lustful, but he has been shown to be rather Wrathful, so he fit for Wrath (the theme of the Pyramid Palace Boss) whereas Bayonetta wouldn't fit for Wrath as its not a big aspect of her personality. I will admit though, Lust, Wrath, and Envy were the hardest ones to pick for..I suppose Bowser could be swapped for Ridley as well, since Ridley is rather wrathful.
I was also going in the order of the Bosses in Persona 5.

 

[Knight Dude]

Nothing wrong with Sol if he gives us Holy Orders ~ Be Just or Be Dead and Jack-A-Dandy. Obviously he'd be pretty cool on his own.

And Sol Kirby is funny to think about. Especially him yelling out "GUN FLAME"

 

[Shroob]

2B is a character I can support.

But I doubt it'll happen to a 99.9% chance, and 'the list' has nothing to do with it.


It feels like Square's splitting up its bigger games as of now into various fighting games.


Tekken gets Noctis
SC gets 2B
Smash gets...........yet to be determined.

 

[Knight Dude]

2B is a character I can support.

But I doubt it'll happen to a 99.9% chance, and 'the list' has nothing to do with it.


It feels like Square's splitting up its bigger games as of now into various fighting games.


Tekken gets Noctis
SC gets 2B
Smash gets...........yet to be determined.

Smash got Cloud. And that'll probably be the end of it until we know for sure for sure.

 

[Shroob]

Smash got Cloud. And that'll probably be the end of it until we know for sure for sure.

I'm not factoring in Cloud here since he's a veteran and 'everyone is here'.


There's reasonable doubt, to me at least, that a Square rep is happening, especially from the things I've heard in the background, but I'm not counting on it 100% at the moment, it's just something I 'think' will happen.

 

[osby]

I went with Bayonetta for Lust due to her more sexual nature and lack of a sexual predator character to fit for Kamoshida (thank god). Bowser may kidnap Peach, but he's never really been seen as particularly lustful, but he has been shown to be rather Wrathful, so he fit for Wrath (the theme of the Pyramid Palace Boss) whereas Bayonetta wouldn't fit for Wrath as its not a big aspect of her personality. I will admit though, Lust, Wrath, and Envy were the hardest ones to pick for..I suppose Bowser could be swapped for Ridley as well, since Ridley is rather wrathful.
I was also going in the order of the Bosses in Persona 5.

Oh, okay. It's just... Bayonetta hardly shown to lust after something? Bowser actually has a very strong desire for lust, which fits to non-sexual definition of the word.

Though it's mostly me not liking "sin of lust"="sexy woman" trope.

But you're right, or would fit into Wrath better than her.

 

[KarneraMythos]

Oh come on at least pick the RIGHT red anime fighting game protagonist:

Nothing wrong with Sol, my (Bad)guy. I only brought up Ragna because he's basically the star of BBTAG, which I mentioned in my original post. Also, him and Hyde are almost complete contrasts of each other, at least style-wise. Immediately from a mechanics stand-point, you do not want to block against Hyde constantly. He will chip through your shield, and he would be the only character in Smash to do so. Meanwhile, Ragna would be the only sword fighter who can drain your health with certain moves, making Robin blush.

But hey, if Sol ever gets considered over those two, I'd be down for that outcome. Just give me a break, you damned! I wanna get back my dice again.

 

[osby]

Meanwhile, Ragna would be the only sword fighter who can drain your health with certain moves, making Robin blush.

Wario already makes Robin blush.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why do people have such a grudge against that game? I’ve never played it, but I’ve seen Gaijin Goomba’s videos on it and it seams alright. Definitely not for everyone. But fine. But people endlessly dunk on it like it’s the anti-Christ. I don’t get it.

I mean Gaijin Goomba is a ****ing tool so I fail to see how that's relevant. But personally I'm just VERY tired of over the top fanservice, and the Senran cast is filled with minors iirc so that makes it worse for a lot of people

 

[Shroob]

I mean Gaijin Goomba is a ****ing tool so I fail to see how that's relevant. But personally I'm just VERY tired of over the top fanservice, and the Senran cast is filled with minors iirc so that makes it worse for a lot of people

Dealing with Japan for soo long, I've learned not to really care about their loli fetish. Let Japan be Japan.

But don't try to justify it by going "She's 18/20/hundreds of years old I swear!"(This is more to do with American censorship/localization but meh)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Dealing with Japan for soo long, I've learned not to really care about their loli fetish. Let Japan be Japan.

But don't try to justify it by going "She's 18/20/hundreds of years old I swear!"(This is more to do with American censorship/localization but meh)

It's still ****ing disgusting and it's something they want my money for so eh

 

[Shroob]

It's still ****ing disgusting and it's something they want my money for so eh

I'm not saying it's not gross/weird/creepy, but Japan's gonna do Japan things, not a lot we can do to stop them in that regards outside of just not buying the game.

 

[volbound1700]

Any news on the Third Party Mii costumes from Smash 4? (i.e. Tails, Knuckles, Geno, Heihachi, Llyod, etc.)? I really hope they make an appearance. I would love to have stage editor back as well.

 

[Vycoul]

When I see people get worked up about fan-service, I disregard everything else they say.
Just voicing my opinion though, no offense to anyone of course.

 

[Shroob]

When I see people get worked up about fan-service, I disregard everything else I hear or read them say.
Just voicing my opinion though, no offense to anyone of course.

"I don't like the overuse of the female body in Japanese media to exploit men and women alike"

"Wow, your opinion is worthless, lol no offense tho"


Literally no other way to read this, mate. Fanservice is fine in moderation, but there comes a point when it's downright stupid, like why do Female Generals in Fire Emblem Fates wear full armor, but have their ass exposed? How does that make any sense from an armor design perspective.


When you're old, tired of life, and beaten down into submission, and all you want to do is find a fun, enjoyable action/adventure anime, I'd rather not have to sift through 10+ shows a season which involves "Main guy gets a harem of girls who all want his **** because reasons and they all get super lewd"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Any news on the Third Party Mii costumes from Smash 4? (i.e. Tails, Knuckles, Geno, Heihachi, Llyod, etc.)? I really hope they make an appearance. I would love to have stage editor back as well.

If the game's been out for nearly 2 weeks and we haven't seen any of these then it's safe to say they're all gone

When I see people get worked up about fan-service, I disregard everything else they say.
Just voicing my opinion though, no offense to anyone of course.

Sorry for having standards for anime smut

 

[KarneraMythos]

I'm gonna be "that weird guy" who's somewhere in the middle of both camps regarding Senran Kagura. Fanservice in that franchise is a Catch-22 for me: I can't understand why the games are marketed toward males if the majority of its cast are lesbians. Shocker, I know. Call me fickle if you want, but the franchise's strong yuri-ssociation defeats the purpose of said fanservice.

I'm not a fan of the pointless "waifu" argument detractors use to downplay the games either, since again, you can't quite "choose" one unless you self-insert as a girl. The games are just there, stirring no strong emotions in me one way or another. People can like, dislike, love, or hate Senran Kagura so long as no one violently assaults others verbally for it.

 

[Cristaran]

Well, i do enjoy fanservice, but when it gets into overdrive not so much. Neptunia games and such i love, but never played a Senran game, so i cant voice my opinion on those. I heard they have decent stories on their own, but cant say for sure. Fanservice isnt a problem by its own, but overdoses of it are.

But oh well, i love Azur Lane, and i am a Reimu supporter, so my opinion doesnt matter cuz anime. /j

 

[Deleted member]

Opinions on anime should be banned.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Inb4 people call me a crude for saying O habe standards when I've praised Bayonetta, Dirty Pair and most of Cutie Honey

 

[osby]

I'm gonna be "that weird guy" who's somewhere in the middle of both camps regarding Senran Kagura. Fanservice in that franchise is a Catch-22 for me: I can't understand why the games are marketed toward males if the majority of its cast are lesbians. Shocker, I know. Call me fickle if you want, but the franchise's strong yuri-ssociation defeats the purpose of said fanservice.

Not really, a lot of straight guys find yuri hot.

 

[PLATINUM7]

I'm gonna be "that weird guy" who's somewhere in the middle of both camps regarding Senran Kagura. Fanservice in that franchise is a Catch-22 for me: I can't understand why the games are marketed toward males if the majority of its cast are lesbians. Shocker, I know. Call me fickle if you want, but the franchise's strong yuri-ssociation defeats the purpose of said fanservice.

A lot of men like girl-on-girl.

Even if they don't, there's still the fact that that nearly all of the female cast are extremely well endowed.

 

[Shroob]

Not really, a lot of straight guys find yuri hot.

Here here.

 

[osby]

Inb4 people call me a crude for saying O habe standards when I've praised Bayonetta, Dirty Pair and most of Cutie Honey

Can't talk about Dirty Pair, but Bayonetta and Cutie Honey have actually good and competent female characters that willingly give fanservice.

That's not a bad standart.

 

[Mike Arcade]

Honestly I have no expectations for who could be DLC at this point. It could literally be almost any character in the history of Video Games. Although I do have a few dream characters from 3rd Parties that I'd like to have in.

I find it funny how someone wants Sol Badguy in as ASW has a few characters (Sol aside) that would and should probably be in. I'm of course talking about the Hot Blooded Kunio and/or The Double Dragon Twins Billy and Jimmy Lee! I mean think about it, these characters a great brawlers with a variety of different moves, especially Kunio (from the River City games). Although really I'd assume Billy Lee would be playable out of all of them with Jimmy Lee as his alternate costume. Although you could get a Bowser Jr. sort of alternate character costumes regarding variety with Kunio's being different characters from the series. Either way those guys are my first ASW choices.

Speaking of another retro choice, I gotta go with Ryu Hayabusa. Ninja Gaiden was so prominent in the NES Days and while the character has changed over time I'd still say he'd be a great pick. I mean he'd be more noticeable than say someone from Dynasty or Samurai Warriors but that's just me.

This one is a bit of a bias on my part and he has been everywhere in fighting games lately, but Terry Bogard would be great for Ultimate. He's got a good moveset and a great attitude, plus he's an iconic character for any fighter fan out there. Plus you got that Capcom vs. SNK appeal as well. Not to mention his Train stage from Fatal Fury 2 would be perfect for Smash, and you'd have so much great music from SNK to go with it. How could I not hope for an SNK rep?

Other than the usual picks for DLC 3rd Party hopefuls (Crash, Banjo & Kazooie, Lloyd Irving) that's about it for me. I mean of course there are others as almost anyone could make it in, but I do have to wonder what sort of 1st and 2nd Party Characters could make it as DLC. Besides whoever's the main character of Fire Emblem The Three Houses anyway.

 

[Vycoul]

I personally dislike games and anime that revolve around fan-service as well. But harping on and on about how "disgusting" or "exploitative" they are is absurd. Sex sells everywhere.

Obviously I was exaggerating in my previous post, but I do find that I disagree fundamentally on a lot of things with people who make outlandish takes on fan-service.

 

[Shroob]

Real talk though, I'm about two years away from 30 and lived a rough life.


When I want to watch an anime, I want to watch a show that takes me on an adventure, not something that has the premise of:

One dude sees girl naked/her panties/bumps into her while late for school(Or all of the above)
One girl leads to another girl
Suddenly has a harem because....reasons?



If you want to do fanservice right by me without making it so damn IN YOUR FACE, I liked Konosuba.

 

[KarneraMythos]

A lot of men like girl-on-girl.

Even if they don't, there's still the fact that that nearly all of the female cast are extremely well endowed.

Not really, a lot of straight guys find yuri hot.

That's the message behind my comment though. I find the heavy yuri themes in that series completely pointless, so I'm an exception.

Guys please, I was referring to myself, not the male audience as a whole. Sorry for not being clear enough, heh...

 

[PLATINUM7]

Opinions on anime should be banned.

Times like this I usually resort to the anime was a mistake meme and found this gem.

Spoiler

To try and bring this back round to Smash, I don't think we'll ever get a Senran Kagura or similar character because age ratings. We've seen trophy poses and outfits change to reflect that.

 

[Deleted member]

Times like this I usually resort to the anime was a mistake meme and found this gem.

Spoiler

To try and bring this back round to Smash, I don't think we'll ever get a Senran Kagura or similar character because age ratings. We've seen trophy poses and outfits change to reflect that.

I don't think this board will ever be back on Smash talk lol.
Also, I'd be careful mentioning the idea of Senran in Smash if I were you.

 

[Shroob]

Times like this I usually resort to the anime was a mistake meme and found this gem.

Spoiler

To try and bring this back round to Smash, I don't think we'll ever get a Senran Kagura or similar character because age ratings. We've seen trophy poses and outfits change to reflect that.

Even though I don't 'like' the series, it's doable.

Homura(That's the tanned one, right), was in a fighting game on her lonesome(Which, now that I think about it, featured Saber as well, another series which I want to stay FAR away from Smash), they just........ took away all the 'clothes exploding like a balloon' thing.