Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Wademan94]

Nah, it's about how you gain friends for life by breaking the law.

Girlfriends too.

Time to rob some banks.

Meanwhile your cat constantly complements you on how cool you look while also telling you to go to bed.

Music’s telling you to wake up, cat’s telling you to go to bed, it’s a confusing experience.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't even play FEH and I'm already calling that edgy not!Marth is probably some alter-ego different dimension Alfonse or something.


Gacha games love their evil, edgy versions of characters.

? What's this about an evil Marth?

 

[Shroob]

? What's this about an evil Marth?

One of the new bone-zone dudes from Book 3.


One of them's a hyper-edgy blue haired swordsman.

 

[osby]

Meanwhile your cat constantly complements you on how good you look while also telling you to go to bed.

I wish my cats also warn me about staying up too late. Instead, they just woke me up before dawn.

 

[Idon]

I don't even play FEH and I'm already calling that edgy not!Marth is probably some alter-ego different dimension Alfonse or something.


Gacha games love their evil, edgy versions of characters.

Close.
It's Alphonse's ancestor, Lif, the first founder of his kingdom.
Same goes for Veronica's ancestor, Thrasir.

Seeing as this is all about death and stuff, it's a pretty safe assumption that they're undead.

 

[Shroob]

Close.
It's Alphonse's ancestor, Lif, the first founder of his kingdom.
Same goes for Veronica's ancestor, Thrasir.

Seeing as this is all about death and stuff, it's a pretty safe assumption that they're undead.

****ing called it looked like Veronica.


This artist has a horrible case of sameface.

 

[Idon]

****ing called it looked like Veronica.


This artist has a horrible case of sameface.

Well, to be fair... they are related.

 

[Deleted member]

Since when did Fire Emblem have heavy metal for trailer music?

 

[Idon]

Since when did Fire Emblem have heavy metal for trailer music?

I dunno, how old is the video?

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno, how old is the video?

Recent. As in just got uploaded yesterday.

 

[Idon]

Recent. As in just got uploaded yesterday.

Well, that answers your question then.

 

[Shroob]

I'd make a joke about why Veronica Skeleton needs boob sock armor.

But then I'd have a bone to pick with a lot more than that.

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

Small intermission from marathoning Ultimate's single-player content for me. My thoughts so far.

Spoiler: Lots of World of Light Spoilers

HOLY **** THIS IS THE GREATEST THING OF ALL TIME. I was mildly concerned that World of Light would fail to live up to the spectacle of the Subspace Emissary, but my worries were set aside very quickly. The immense creativity of each and every Spirit Battle kept me invested and enjoying myself. The entirety of the Light Realm was super-cool, between searching for the right Spirits to remove barricades, to solving puzzles in the various mini-maps.

As much as I should have practiced Ridley, I defaulted to using Lucas for the entirety of the game after I unlocked him. Between filling out the Adventure Skills, and a Spirit Set of M. Bison, Shine Sprite, Wind Fish, and Victini, PK Freeze became my single favorite move to use, because with the knockback angle buff it got, it reached a point where it could both break shields and OHKO nearly any fighter. It was a mad power trip, yo. Running into Galleom was neat, the fight with Giga Bowser was an awesome throwback, and the encounter with Rathalos was such a good homage to Monster Hunter. Galeem was an awesome boss fight, too.

Towards the end of the Light Realm, I could tell by the number of fighters I had there had to be more to it, but I didn't expect a full on second half of the game. And they really saved the best for last, too. The Castlevania segment was super-clever, and the fight with Dracula was epic as hell. The Zelda map was genuinely interesting and well-designed, it felt like actually solving Zelda puzzles. It was also cool to see Ganon as a boss, though admittedly at that point I was so powerful I blew right through him. But my god, the Mysterious Dimension, with its weird trivia questions, absolutely gorgeous background, and ridiculous buidlup to the boss fight with the ring of villains in the final question, was an absolute high point of the whole mode. Finally seeing Marx in 3D was an awesome feeling, and he was easily my favorite boss in the game, especially with the new attacks they gave him to amp up his creep factor. Darkhon was, like Galeem, pretty cool.

But goddamn, the Final Battle map. I can't lie, it went on a little long, especially having to go back and forth to maintain the balance of light and dark, but it was worth it to unlock the true final level and

Spoiler: MEGA-SPOILERS, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED

****ing play as goddamn Master Hand and obliterate wave after wave of fighters. Another massive high point.

True final boss fight was absolutely spectacular, the initial climb is epic, the boss rush is fast-paced and well-placed, and the battle against both Galeem and Darkhon, where despite them both hating you, they still can't put aside their differences and are constantly wrecking the absolute **** out of each other is brilliant. One of the best final bosses ever, imo.

All in all, way more than happy with World of Light. It took me I think 28 hours to 100% complete it, but I still need to farm in New Game + for the 'unlock all Adventure Skills' Challenge, a tiny bit disappointed that can't be done without having to start a new file. I got way more playtime out of this than I expected, and 95% of it was spent with a huge grin on my face. The other 5% goes to a few particularly unbalanced Spirit fights, in particular a few of the 'World Tour' Street Fighter-themed battles, those Sagat, Balrog, and M. Bison fights are ridiculous.

The Spirit Board is pretty fun too, but so far the Legend-level battles are all bull**** and it's immensely frustrating that you only get one shot unless you have an item to retry, otherwise you have to wait another million years for the random spawn to occur. The Multi-Man Smash content is surprisingly quick to complete in the Challenge Board, there's barely anything to do in the three modes combined before you never have to touch them again (though my own nature will drive me to complete Century Smash with everyone, eventually). Going to start plowing through Classic tomorrow, hoo boy.

I give Smash Ultimate's single-player content a 9.25/10. (This is a little better than what I would give Brawl, and far better than Smash 4)

...Maybe someday I'll get around to the actual 'Smash' section of this so-called 'Smash Brothers' game.

 

[Noipoi]

Legendary Spirit Battles suck..

Jesus Christ I can't put into words how much I agree. I get that they're supposed to be hard, but could you give me a chance to actually win?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

It's only a bank once. Other than that, they rob

Spoiler

a castle, an art museum, a space station, a casino, a transatlantic and a pyramid. Uh, and wherever the hell Holy Grail is supposed to be in, I guess

Spoiler

The collective unconscious.

They rob. THE COLLECTIVE UNCONSCIOUS.

The Spirit Board is pretty fun too, but so far the Legend-level battles are all bull**** and it's immensely frustrating that you only get one shot unless you have an item to retry, otherwise you have to wait another million years for the random spawn to occur. The Multi-Man Smash content is surprisingly quick to complete in the Challenge Board, there's barely anything to do in the three modes combined before you never have to touch them again (though my own nature will drive me to complete Century Smash with everyone, eventually). Going to start plowing through Classic tomorrow, hoo boy.

I give Smash Ultimate's single-player content a 9.25/10. (This is a little better than what I would give Brawl, and far better than Smash 4)

...Maybe someday I'll get around to the actual 'Smash' section of this so-called 'Smash Brothers' game.

OR you could spend all of your coins buying shuffle items like I did to get Azura and Pyra. I also got some good jabs at Victini and Shine Sprite (which I later got through WoL anyways).

But I'm also broke as **** so your mileage may vary.

 

[Deleted member]

Lately some people have been saying that Joker was "a pretty obvious choice for Smash Ultimate" over Cloud. So lemme get this straight.

Final Fantasy started on Nintendo.
Generally known to have some masterpieces from the SNES days (Final Fantasy VI god bless).
Then went on off towards competitor's platforms after VII.

And all of that apparently is more out of the blue than Persona, in which every mainline Persona game was only released on PlayStation from Revelations: Persona to now with Persona 5.

And the only reasoning is "well, Atlus and Nintendo are close, they've made Tokyo Mirage Sessions and Shin Megami Tensei V for Switch".

 

[Shroob]

So besides the 9.9 clear and the Cruel Smash clear, none of these challenges seem hard.


I heard there was a separate online board as well? It wasn't in the "All challenges cleared" vid I saw, and can't find anything online.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Lately some people have been saying that Joker was "a pretty obvious choice for Smash Ultimate" over Cloud. So lemme get this straight.

Obvious may not be the word I would use. However, I do not find Joker to be as much of an "impossibility' that I found Cloud to be. A large part of it is due to the company that owns these characters, but I did originally have Joker on my shortlist of Sega/Atlus characters that can be chosen as DLC.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Casual reminder that Great Zapfish + Victini + Dedede side smash = win every non-legendary battle against a spirit in one blow.

 

[DraginHikari]

Spoiler: Minor WoL spoilers

Okay so why is Palutena of all people the last to be unlocked in both the Story and the actual unlockables?

Spoiler

Given that the Darkness side was Bayonetta I think they were just going with the two characters that represented Light and Darkness directly. Given the whole Umbra Witch and Goddess of Light thing

I made my attempt with my first set of online matches this evening and was quickly reminded how much I suck lol.

 

[Deleted member]

So besides the 9.9 clear and the Cruel Smash clear, none of these challenges seem hard.


I heard there was a separate online board as well? It wasn't in the "All challenges cleared" vid I saw, and can't find anything online.

Cruel Smash is pretty easy if you jump towards the bottom corner of the screen in the hope that a Mii follows you and drifts to their doom. Rinse and repeat enough times and you should be able to hit 3 within a few attempts.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Ok I saw that FEH video and....Im just confused. lol. It's edgy AF. Like the skeleton lady with the scythe though

 

[Deleted member]

Ok I saw that FEH video and....Im just confused. lol. It's edgy AF. Like the skeleton lady with the scythe though

Fire Emblem Heroes: The Twilight Saga.

 

[Idon]

So with Persona 5 being in Smash...

Is it too soon to ask for another SMT x FE? Perhaps one that at least... isn't TMS#FE?

 

[Shroob]

So with Persona 5 being in Smash...

Is it too soon to ask for another SMT x FE? Perhaps one that at least... isn't TMS#FE?

Remember when everyone thought it'd be some weird SMT game with Fire Emblem gameplay?

Man, how naive we were.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

So besides the 9.9 clear and the Cruel Smash clear, none of these challenges seem hard.


I heard there was a separate online board as well? It wasn't in the "All challenges cleared" vid I saw, and can't find anything online.

There is a seperate Online section yes, but it's mostly just stuff like "Play Quickplay X amount of times" and "Collect X amount of Smash Tags" iirc, it's not so much about what you do in matches as it's about just setting up your account and using the different systems.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Jesus Christ I can't put into words how much I agree. I get that they're supposed to be hard, but could you give me a chance to actually win?

average legendary spirit match:

>timed battle: 0:30
>stamina: you 100, them 300
>enemy is metal
>the enemy's stats will rise after a certain amount of time
>assist trophy support: bomberman
>bob-ombs spawn rapidly
>the enemy is literally a bob-omb
>everything is bob-omb

 

[Cristaran]

average legendary spirit match:

>timed battle: 0:30
>stamina: you 100, them 300
>enemy is metal
>the enemy's stats will rise after a certain amount of time
>assist trophy support: bomberman
>bob-ombs spawn rapidly
>the enemy is literally a bob-omb
>everything is bob-omb

>Enemy will heal after 5 seconds
>Enemy will spawn reinforcements
>Pokéballs summon friggin ARCEUS
>AlsO eArtHQUakEs

 

[osby]

>Enemy will heal after 5 seconds
>Enemy will spawn reinforcements
>Pokéballs summon friggin ARCEUS
>AlsO eArtHQUakEs

Enemy beats you to death with a stick if you get too close to winning

 

[KingBroly]

I get the feeling they missed a lot of balance with some Legendary Spirits fights.

Looking at you, Super Sonic. You ****.

Ultimate seems to really favor heavy characters from what I've seen/played. Lightweight characters get destroyed pretty easily. I'm also having trouble with Simon, but I imagine it's just the learning curve more than anything.

 

[Cristaran]

Quick question, how in the world do you get Viridi´s wig?
I was all day doing Arcade and buying at the shop and i still did not get it.

 

[ZaneHitsurugi]

I feel like WoL is just a miss. It feels like padding. Brawl's adventure mode was like a platformer inside of a fighter, which was pretty cool and fun. Not only that, but we at least got some minimal character interaction in the form of cutscenes. Whatever resources went into making WoL should have been used elsewhere, like some extra alt costumes or something.

 

[DeniroSerafim]

I feel like WoL is just a miss. It feels like padding. Brawl's adventure mode was like a platformer inside of a fighter, which was pretty cool and fun. Not only that, but we at least got some minimal character interaction in the form of cutscenes. Whatever resources went into making WoL should have been used elsewhere, like some extra alt costumes or something.

Just alt costumes? That's absolutely insane. Sure WOL isn't subspace, but it is basically an expanded event mode, which was something a lot of people always liked.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Quick question, how in the world do you get Viridi´s wig?
I was all day doing Arcade and buying at the shop and i still did not get it.

I got it from the shop, so it'll show up eventually.

 

[lltacx]

Duke Nukem for smash.

I would love to kick ass while listening to Megadeth.

 

[Cristaran]

I got it from the shop, so it'll show up eventually.

Thanks for the info, guess im not that lucky. Oh well, i play a lot, so ill get it someday.

Duke Nukem for smash.

I would love to kick *** while listening to Megadeth.

But where´s the bubblegum?

 

[ZaneHitsurugi]

Just alt costumes? That's absolutely insane. Sure WOL isn't subspace, but it is basically an expanded event mode, which was something a lot of people always liked.

Alt costumes or some more characters. Anything would have been better than this.

 

[PSIGuy]

I don't think you could really add any meaningful content even if you removed all of World Of Light, it's like an Echo situation where you couldn't add a new fighter even if you removed all the Echoes. I do think the single player content is too phoned in, though. For instance, every character having the same Bonus Game gets old incredibly fast. Have a few different kinds and divide them up by mobility type, maybe have one that goes vertically and another based on Melee's Race to the Finish. With a game like Smash it's about reusing resources whenever possible, so the fact that you can't fight stage bosses as actual bosses with health bars is odd.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'd miss World of Light. It's not the greatest, but it's been funning going through it and bumping into the Spirits and seeing what Sakurai did to try to capture some essence of the character that the Spirit is of.

 

[osby]

Alt costumes or some more characters. Anything would have been better than this.

I'd rather not miss a whole mode for some cosmetics people can get via mods anyway.