Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Bradli Wartooth]

Eevee makes more sense of a quadruped. Can also a be rush down and you get the chance to evolve into the various forms.

Everyone is going to go ''BUT OVERREPPED GEN 1"

But that's the sad truth. Eevee is probably the most famous quadruped Pokemon.

I think the problem with Eevee is that it doesn't evolve and devolve, so that couldn't really be worked into a moveset. Eevee itself could do some fun stuff, though, and get Ultimate Evoboost as a final smash. But yeah, Eevee could use Quick Attack, Shadow Ball, Sand Attack, Take Down, and other fun stuff. I'm sure they could make Eevee playable if they really wanted. But after how bland Eevee's Pokeball in Smash 4 was (as cute as it was), I don't think Sakurai wants to make Eevee a full blown character any time soon.

 

[StormC]

The Eeveelutions will always have the problem of how you decide to prioritize one over the other. Sylveon had the best chance because of being the sole Eeveelution of its generation and being a Fairy type, but the timing made it impossible.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

The Eeveelutions will always have the problem of how you decide to prioritize one over the other. Sylveon had the best chance because of being the sole Eeveelution of its generation and being a Fairy type, but the timing made it impossible.

I think the only Eeveeloution with any chance is Eevee itself, but I doubt its even on the table, honestly. We'd probably sooner get Meowth.

 

[Starcutter]

Eevee makes more sense of a quadruped rep. Can also a be rush down and you get the chance to evolve into the various forms.

Everyone is going to go ''BUT OVERREPPED GEN 1"

But that's the sad truth. Eevee is probably the most famous quadruped Pokemon.

When I think of Eevee, "Extremely quick rushdown" doesn't really scream at me. Maybe Jolteon specifically, but I can't see Eevee running around at Capitan Falcon levels of speed without looking really silly. Probably because Eevee is so small.

If you are trying to get me to like Eevee on the basis it could make a great rushdown character, your efforts are misplaced.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

When I think of Eevee, "Extremely quick rushdown" doesn't really scream at me. Maybe Jolteon specifically, but I can't see Eevee running around at Capitan Falcon levels of speed without looking really silly. Probably because Eevee is so small.

If you are trying to get me to like Eevee on the basis it could make a great rushdown character, your efforts are misplaced.

Child. I ain't got time to make anyone like any character.

I'm just stating the fact that Eevee is the one Sakurai would most likely look at if he's putting a Pokemon on 4 legs in Smash.

Not that I think we really need to start adding Pokemon to by body type and how they stand though.

 

[StormC]

I like four legged fighters that could stand on two feet for specific situations, like Duck Hunt using items.

 

[Starcutter]

Child. I ain't got time to make anyone like any character.

I'm just stating the fact that Eevee is the one Sakurai would most likely look at if he's putting a Pokemon on 4 legs in Smash.

Not that I think we really need to start adding Pokemon to by body type and how they stand though.

And I mentioned earlier that I wanted a quadruped rushdown Character not specifically a pokemon, hence why I also brought up Amaterasu. Someone else brought up Wolf Link as well. We are talking about specifically rushdown quadrupeds, so I thought my response was appropriate.

Not sure why you are calling me a child, that just seems unnecessary.

Edit: Plus, you did mention that Eevee could be rushdown in your post, so that's what I was mostly focussing on.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

This is wildly off topic and probably not of interest to most of you, but I learned something about Harvest Moon that carries at least a little importance as its been a long-running franchise on Nintendo consoles.
In 2015, a game called Story of Seasons was released, which on the surface seemed like a Harvest Moon rip off. However, Story of Seasons and the subsequent Story of Seasons games are the actual sequels to the old Harvest Moon series, and the most recent Harvest Moon games are actually unrelated to the old ones outside of their concept. Natsume is no longer the publisher for mainline Harvest Moon games, and they were never the developers. Every game from Harvest Moon: The Lost Valley onward was not developed by the same company.

The actual developers of Harvest Moon (And now Story of Seasons), known as Marvelous, started giving their business to a different company, being XSeed. And now the more important fact, Story of Seasons was XSeed's fastest selling game ever. Perhaps the series is actually gaining more ground than one realizes because it's fairly niche.

Anyways, I bring this up in the Smash thread as someone who wants a Harvest Moon/Story of Seasons styled Farmer as a playable character or literally any other representation within the game. The fact that Story of Seasons brought in more sales with a rebrand makes me wonder if it'll ever get considered for anything in Smash.

Anyways, here's a video explaining all of this mess. It's much better explained here. It's a really interesting video even if you don't care about Harvest Moon itself.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

And I mentioned earlier that I wanted a quadruped rushdown Character not specifically a pokemon, hence why I also brought up Amaterasu. Someone else brought up Wolf Link as well. We are talking about specifically rushdown quadrupeds, so I thought my response was appropriate.

Not sure why you are calling me a child, that just seems unnecessary.

The child thing was a joke. You haven't seen me post much have you? -sigh-

Also yes, but the conversation started about Pokemon.

I just don't see Ammy getting into Smash however. She's cool, but she's just not nearly iconic enough to gaming and has a ton of Capcom characters to beat who are more iconic than she is.

 

[Starcutter]

The child thing was a joke. You haven't seen me post much have you? -sigh-

Also yes, but the conversation started about Pokemon.

I just don't see Ammy getting into Smash however. She's cool, but she's just not nearly iconic enough to gaming and has a ton of Capcom characters to beat who are more iconic than she is.

I'm sorry, it's literally 4:30 in the morning for me, I don't exactly have my usual wits about right now haha, I took that as a flat insult.

I don't really expect amaterasu, or any other quadrepeds that could fit my desired playstyle for that matter, it's just something I'd like to see personally.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I put together an Eevee support thread a while back, with a moveset based off summoning the Eeveelutions like it does during it's Z-Move.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Can you imagine a trailer for Smash that starts by slowly and one by one revealing the returning third party veterans and then ends with a Rabbid as the next third party?

Can you imagine the hilarity? Can you imagine the salt of some gamers? Like there's just a Rabbid standing next to Sonic, Ryu, Mega Man, Pac Man, etc.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Can you imagine a trailer for Smash that starts by slowly and one by one revealing the returning third party veterans and then ends with a Rabbid as the next third party?

Can you imagine the hilarity? Can you imagine the salt of some gamers? Like there's just a Rabbid standing next to Sonic, Ryu, Mega Man, Pac Man, etc.

Something tells me I wouldn't be suprised the slightest after all these years. Besides, Mario & Rabbids + TMNT SmashUp seems bit working on Rabbids' favour.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Ryu: So this is Smash. -promptly leaves to never return again-

 

[Superyoshiom]

Child. I ain't got time to make anyone like any character.

I'm just stating the fact that Eevee is the one Sakurai would most likely look at if he's putting a Pokemon on 4 legs in Smash.

Not that I think we really need to start adding Pokemon to by body type and how they stand though.

The whole appeal of Eevee is its evolutions. I think it'd be a great idea, but it would have to have to implement that evolution mechanic. Maybe by having something happen to it it becomes one of the many evolutions, and retain the same moves, just with slightly altered elemental effects.

The inherent problem is what to do to trigger the evolutions, as well as the sheer amount of work to implement every evolution. Now an easy solution to this by working with the original three:

Jolteon: Extremely fast with electric-based attacks
Flaeron: High physical attack with high knockback power
Vaporeon: Bulky tank that's very hard to knock off the stage

 

[Radical Bones]

I still think that Lycanroc is a better quad- choice.

In fact, get Lycanroc, Wolf Link + Midna and Wolf all in Smash so we can have a Lupine party.

 

[Staarih]

Can you imagine a trailer for Smash that starts by slowly and one by one revealing the returning third party veterans and then ends with a Rabbid as the next third party?

I mean, yeah, as long as it’s Rabbid Peach grooving to some Beyoncé.

Honestly though, I think Rabbids are pretty likely so show up in some capacity in Smash.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I actually thought of everyone all huddled together and then there's just a random cell phone camera click noise and it's a Rabbid/Rabbid Peach taking selfies of herself on the battle field while Bayonetta is holding Cloud and they're both just like ''Uhh who is this bloody idiot?"

 

[Deleted member]

I saw a discussion on adding Sora.

Sora is actually a viable third party choice, it is just the only thing that hinders his potential a bit is Disney.

If Sora made it in, that could break the internet as much as Ridley, that is just me.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Ridley and Sora both revealed at E3 wouldn't only break the internet.

It'd kill it.

It'd be the equal of a Purge on cyberspace.

Chaos in the streets if you must.

 

[viewtifulduck82]

Would be nice to see an OG pokken character carry over to smash, like machamp. Would be really cool to see how they handle the 4 arms.

Honestly tho, pokken move-sets should carry over to smash pretty easily, and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we get a pokken character INSTEAD of a gen 7 or gen 8 pokemon.

Makes a lot of sense to rep one of nintendo's newer e-sports pushes. Especially if we're getting inklings, and more than likely springman (who I think has like a 90% chance of showing up). Getting pokken character would cover all of those bases.

Actually, if decidueye gets in it'll be for this reason (and to cover grass type starter), and not because its the gen 7 pokemon. I personally would just vastly prefer machamp because he was my main lol

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Ridley and Sora both revealed at E3 wouldn't only break the internet.

It'd kill it.

It'd be the equal of a Purge on cyberspace.

Chaos in the streets if you must.

I think Ridley and Banjo-Kazooie would do that more. I feel like there are more casuals that know Banjo (from videos like Jontron) than there are casuals that care about Kingdom Hearts, especially when you take away the Disney side of it, which is what would definitley happen in Smash.

 

[Spatman]

I think the thing with Spring Man, and this coming form someone who does not think this is real, is that he may very well be a late addition to the game and as a result may pull resources form other characters to save development time, like Ness and Falcon in 64, or how clones work.

That being said, I don't think it "saves" the credibility of the leak, and as you said, the images that go along with the video look pretty dodge.

That was done only for Wolf and last minute clones tho.
It would be a completely nosense doing it for an ARMS character too: ARMS has a peculiar mechanic and playstyle, so if you don't recreate that mechanic (designing it in a proper way) you don't make arms character playable at all.
It simply wouldn't make any sense, it's not like Wolf (who doesn't have a proper moveset in his own games) or clones that are by definition, well, clones

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I think most casual audience gamers tend to stick with what's relevant and known in gaming. You also have to account for younger generation casuals who have no idea who Banjo and Kazooie are. Because they do exist. And there are many of them.

Sora would still get a bigger reaction. Sora and Steve are probably the ''impossible" third parties who would get all age brackets of both hardcore and casual gamer talking.

 

[Deleted member]

The good thing about not having "shoo-ins" in Smash Speculation is that E3 Reveals will probably be more fun.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I'd actually be pretty down with Blastoise if a Pokken fighter got picked outside Decidueye.

He stands just behind Charizard and Mewtwo in popularity polls, he'd be able to take elements from his pre evolution fellow Smasher Squirtle, his fame and popularity with Pokemon fans isn't a flash in the pan type of deal and every Smash game to date has added an OG pokemon alongside the new gens darling.

I mean at least Charizard was treated like a newcomer in Sm4sh getting his own introduction trailer.

Honestly I'd prefer Meowth if any Kanto Pokémon should get in, but I genuinely think Blastoise makes a fair bit of sense...

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I'd actually be pretty down with Blastoise if a Pokken fighter got picked outside Decidueye.

He stands just behind Charizard and Mewtwo in popularity polls, he'd be able to take elements from his pre evolution fellow Smasher Squirtle, his fame and popularity with Pokemon fans isn't a flash in the pan type of deal and every Smash game to date has added an OG pokemon alongside the new gens darling.

I mean at least Charizard was treated like a newcomer in Sm4sh getting his own introduction trailer.

Honestly I'd prefer Meowth if any Kanto Pokémon should get in, but I genuinely think Blastoise makes a fair bit of sense...

Charizard doesn’t count as a newcomer. He’s not grouped with all the other newcomers on the Smash 4 site.

 

[Spatman]

The good thing about not having "shoo-ins" in Smash is that E3 Reveals will probably be more fun.

but still we have many many possible candidates and personal favourites all at the same boat of likelyhood.
So it's even possible that E3 will be a "bath of blood", a very salty moment, more than a very funny one

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

The rabbids could be the pieces of **** you wail on like the polygon fighters.

 

[Jubileus57]

I'm glad that somebody else sees the light that is Chandelure.

Seriously though, my "dream that will never happen" Smash character is definitely Chandelure. There is nobody that I want more than Chandelure.

I'm hella late (thanks time difference) but I HAD to say, I feel this. So much. If Chandelure makes it like it did in Pokkén I'll bawl my eyes out out of happiness.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

The good thing about not having "shoo-ins" in Smash Speculation is that E3 Reveals will probably be more fun.

True. With the Inklings in, there's no telling who could be next.

Heck, 3rd parties are more hype than ever thanks to shattered expectations. (Read: )

Also make the waiting hecka tense.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Isabelle/Tom Nook and a DK Rep would be my ''Oh yeah, okay. That makes sense."

And when I say DK Rep I mean Dixie or K. Rool.

Cranky or Funky would be a bit of a shock.

Waluigi also might not shock me, but it's because I feel as if a lot of people probably meme-d up the ballot requesting him.

 

[Radical Bones]

I know Rabbids aren't popular, but Kingdom Battle, particularly Peach, really changed my mind on them. I would not be mad at all if Rabbid Peach ever made it in the game, as long as Rayman got in first.

 

[Cosmic77]

I still think that Lycanroc is a better quad- choice.

In fact, get Lycanroc, Wolf Link + Midna and Wolf all in Smash so we can have a Lupine party.

"too many wolves. sakurai pls cut them."

Just because relevancy and the anime is on its side, Lycanroc seems like the safest bet for a quad. Actually, if any non-Gen VII quad Pokemon got in this Smash over Lycanroc, I'd be shocked.

But what do I know? I'm the guy with a Lycanroc icon is his signature, so my opinion is bound to be biased.

I mean, yeah, as long as it’s Rabbid Peach grooving to some Beyoncé.

Honestly though, I think Rabbids are pretty likely so show up in some capacity in Smash.

As someone who played Mario+Rabbids, I have to say that I'm not completely disgusted by the possibility of them appearing in Smash now, even as a playable character. Obviously, I'd like to get several others before them, but I wouldn't hate the idea of a playable Rabbid like I thought I would if you had asked me about a year ago.

Waluigi also might not shock me, but it's because I feel as if a lot of people probably meme-d up the ballot requesting him.

Knowing Nintendo, they'll probably have some ridiculous mentality for not wanting Sakurai to include Waluigi in Smash.

"We figured since the Waluigi and Daisy amiibo are the only two Mario amiibo we can't get rid of, people must not like them. The Boo amiibo on the other hand sold out quickly, so we've asked Sakurai to include a generic Boo as the next Smash newcomer."

 

[Tree Gelbman]

If Ridley does get revealed and Pikachu isn't in his trailer with Samus I call foul. That was my favorite part of Subspace and my favorite pairing.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

That's why we need Rowlet as a newcomer in this upcoming game instead of Decidueye.

Why have a humanoid-looking bird archer when you could have B I R D O R B

I don't remember how popular Froakie was, but it never got any kind of cameo in Smash 3DS / Wii U. Anyway, it would seem weird if the most popular 7th generation Pokemon didn't receive some kind of cameo, whether it's a Poke Ball role, or a simple trophy.

In the end though, popularity doesn't seem to matter to the developers.

 

[Cosmic77]

In the end though, popularity doesn't seem to matter to the developers.

Aside from maybe relevancy, isn't popularity one of the biggest factors for choosing Pokemon in Smash? It's not like Pokemon games have a go-to main character(s) like Fire Emblem that the development team could always rely on.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Aside from maybe relevancy, isn't popularity one of the biggest factors for choosing Pokemon in Smash? It's not like Pokemon has a go-to main character(s) like Fire Emblem that the development team could always rely on.

Considering that Greninja was implemented into Smash 3DS / Wii U before it actually developed an identity in the Pokemon anime's Kalos saga, pretty much anything could happen at this point.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I mean not to **** on your argument or anything, but isn't technically Pikachu already just that? The go-to Pokemon that developers can rely on? He's essentially the main character being the mascot.

He's similar to other mascots of a franchise like Ryu or Tracer. Sure others in the franchise are popular, but if you're going to rep their game, you sort of go to them.

 

[Radical Bones]

Pokemon and GF would have a pretty good understanding of which Pokemon will be popular though. They're not some indie developer hoping for a break out. They're pros with huge budgets for marketing, focus groups, an anime series, TV shows etc. Whoever they want to make popular, they have the means to.