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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Dannish

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Whatever. Should have known bringing this up here was a dumb idea. You don’t insult god in the middle of church. I’ll just go. Maybe I’ll come back. I’m not sure. Last thing I have to say on the matter. Really. Gonna leave it alone.

Just picture this. Your parents kept you from gaming for most of your life. You develop no childhood nostalgia for any one company. You get involved in the scene late and look around the ips to see what you like. You find a few. Try them out and love them. You wish you had been playing these games sense childhood. You want to show them to your children some day and go online to find when the next one comes. But one never dose. You keep waiting and it never is even announced. But you notice that another game series in the same genre is still going strong. You look into it and your not all that interested. But everyone won’t shut up about how great it is. Over and over again. It’s all you hear. Your simpers of “actually I prefer this” are drowned out by “how could you say that this game is flipping amazing” but try as you might you can’t see why. You start to grow bitter. Then you find out the people who made that game have acted like arrogant ******** and made really dumb decisions over the years. But their golden boy is so popular it never hurts them. That’s when you get resentful.

I know this probably still won’t make sense to any of you but this is how my gaming life was shaped. And my Media life in general as a very similar thing happened to me with DC and Warner Bros. I just wish I could live in a world where my favorite games also had huge fan bases and whole websites dedicated to them so I can be a real part of a community. But no. I’m just the slithering grind with the descending opinion here.
My advice to you is this: Get over yourself.
What does it benefit anyone to stress over things one can do nothing to affect.
Your personal taste does not and should not dictate how things on a worldwide scale go.
I am disappointed that some series I like are long dead but I don't use my disappointment as an excuse to **** on other people's opinions.
 
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Robertman2

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Geez, so much wrong with this.
-Ridley is too big
-K Rool isn't relevant.
-Peach clone over Waluigi
-Chrom. He isn't from the last Fire Emblem game.
-Young Link and Toon Link feel like too much.
-Solo Ivysaur and solo Squirtle? Pushing it with the Pokemon.
-That isn't Decidueye.
-No Springman or Rex.
-Why Ken over Chun-Li?
and the ****ING PLANT
 

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Robertman2

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Whatever. Should have known bringing this up here was a dumb idea. You don’t insult god in the middle of church. I’ll just go. Maybe I’ll come back. I’m not sure. Last thing I have to say on the matter. Really. Gonna leave it alone.

Just picture this. Your parents kept you from gaming for most of your life. You develop no childhood nostalgia for any one company. You get involved in the scene late and look around the ips to see what you like. You find a few. Try them out and love them. You wish you had been playing these games sense childhood. You want to show them to your children some day and go online to find when the next one comes. But one never dose. You keep waiting and it never is even announced. But you notice that another game series in the same genre is still going strong. You look into it and your not all that interested. But everyone won’t shut up about how great it is. Over and over again. It’s all you hear. Your simpers of “actually I prefer this” are drowned out by “how could you say that this game is flipping amazing” but try as you might you can’t see why. You start to grow bitter. Then you find out the people who made that game have acted like arrogant ******** and made really dumb decisions over the years. But their golden boy is so popular it never hurts them. That’s when you get resentful.

I know this probably still won’t make sense to any of you but this is how my gaming life was shaped. And my Media life in general as a very similar thing happened to me with DC and Warner Bros. I just wish I could live in a world where my favorite games also had huge fan bases and whole websites dedicated to them so I can be a real part of a community. But no. I’m just the slithering grind with the descending opinion here.
nah, you aren't a slithering grind

you're just acting like a spoiled petulant child
 

FreeFox

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Whatever. Should have known bringing this up here was a dumb idea. You don’t insult god in the middle of church. I’ll just go. Maybe I’ll come back. I’m not sure. Last thing I have to say on the matter. Really. Gonna leave it alone.

Just picture this. Your parents kept you from gaming for most of your life. You develop no childhood nostalgia for any one company. You get involved in the scene late and look around the ips to see what you like. You find a few. Try them out and love them. You wish you had been playing these games sense childhood. You want to show them to your children some day and go online to find when the next one comes. But one never dose. You keep waiting and it never is even announced. But you notice that another game series in the same genre is still going strong. You look into it and your not all that interested. But everyone won’t shut up about how great it is. Over and over again. It’s all you hear. Your simpers of “actually I prefer this” are drowned out by “how could you say that this game is flipping amazing” but try as you might you can’t see why. You start to grow bitter. Then you find out the people who made that game have acted like arrogant ******** and made really dumb decisions over the years. But their golden boy is so popular it never hurts them. That’s when you get resentful.

I know this probably still won’t make sense to any of you but this is how my gaming life was shaped. And my Media life in general as a very similar thing happened to me with DC and Warner Bros. I just wish I could live in a world where my favorite games also had huge fan bases and whole websites dedicated to them so I can be a real part of a community. But no. I’m just the slithering grind with the descending opinion here.
I will just say that it is fine to critizise things you dislike about life. It is also fine to vent about frustrations.

But it is important to:
1. Find the right place and the right moment to do it. Its important to have a critical eye to free anything that is eating you on the inside. We cant just release wherever we want, whenever we want.
2. Dont let the hate take over. It isnt healthy at all to live a life where grudges and misery are the guiding motivators. Transform your anger and unleash it in a productive way. Play a sport. Do some art. Draw whatever you feel like. Channel that anger and make somehting out of it. Make videogames if you dont feel the market is offering enough variety and you think there is a void to be filled.
 
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SnakeFighter64

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Where are you supposed to go to do what? What is your goal?

If it's to talk about smash ultimate, this is where you're supposed to go, you'll fit right in.
If it's to hate on Mario and Zelda, definitely not on any Nintendo forum. I mean come on man, that would be like me going to the PS4 subreddit and saying Red Dead Redemption 2 and God of War suck.
My goal is to talk about the games I love in communities that also love them. I come here to talk about Smash. The Killer Instinct Forums are where I go for many others, they have a thriving off topic section. Even if that site is kind of dieing down.

I just don’t want to be alone again. With my media diet it’s always like i’ve been at a party that I spent all this time setting up, that nobody showed up to so they could go to the rich kids mansion. I’m terrified of talking to new people because when I was small I was bullied over what tv shows I liked. Something that stupid... kids can be so mean. So now I’m always worried to bring up my interests to new people because of that base fear.
 

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All of this thing related DQ is making me think that we may have two possible way for Square Enix rep to be revealed at VGA:

  • First of all, DQ XI was one of the nominations on this year's VGA and it was on JRPG category, If it wins, we could be treated with DQ smash reveal right after winner announcement, thus more exposure and interests from people in the JRPG series for first time and it can get series to very popular status in western. (Despite that DQ's composer was known for being LGBT hater and war crime denier, it can cause DQ to lose the award mostly due to many people don't like him.)
  • If Square Enix rep is not revealed right after DQ as winner announcement, we are looking at Schrödinger's cat (Square Enix rep just in case.) we can't tell if it was DQ or sephiroth as Square Enix rep, think of two possible doors: One leads to DQ character and other door leads to Sephiroth, we must choose the door wisely to see if which one of the doors were correct after all.
Some thing to notice: some of the insiders saying that we will get square enix rep, I'm pretty skeptical about it because all I see is that there's possible chance we may get other character reveal instead of square enix rep at VGA. So take it with few grains of salt will you? At this point, I feel like we're in complete darkness about who may be the first character of fighter pass until we saw the reveal at VGA.
 

doomedtacox

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Rip thread. Alright, would you gang rather have Steve or Jonesy from Fortnite as DLC? And you can't choose neither.
 

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Frankly the main reason behind the decline of Jak & Daxter and Rachet and Clank is not Mario or Zelda or anything, it's Uncharted, TLoU, Spiderman, etc.

Naughty Dog and Insomniac are pretty busy nowadays.

It's like how Fire Emblem has eaten much of Intelligent Systems.
Rest in Peace Advance Wars.
Should've added shipping when you had the chance.
 

SmasherMaster

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Go drunk thread, you're home.
But for real, this is probably unpopular, but does anybody else not really want a Square character? With how Cloud was and is being handled, it feels empty having him in. Only two songs on the stage which is basically Battlefield without the summons and no Assist trophy.
 

ReeseBalaski

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The thread is going bananas. That means the mods will be too busy fixing it to watch us. We can say what we want.

H E C C >:3

Anyway, what do guys think is gonna be in the day 1 patch.
 

doomedtacox

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My goal is to talk about the games I love in communities that also love them. I come here to talk about Smash. The Killer Instinct Forums are where I go for many others, they have a thriving off topic section. Even if that site is kind of dieing down.

I just don’t want to be alone again. With my media diet it’s always like i’ve been at a party that I spent all this time setting up, that nobody showed up to so they could go to the rich kids mansion. I’m terrified of talking to new people because when I was small I was bullied over what tv shows I liked. Something that stupid... kids can be so mean. So now I’m always worried to bring up my interests to new people because of that base fear.
While this is a smash forum, the overlap between smash fans and and Mario/Zelda fans in immense, for obvious reasons.

We will defend Mario and Zelda to the death.
 

doomedtacox

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Go drunk thread, you're home.
But for real, this is probably unpopular, but does anybody else not really want a Square character? With how Cloud was and is being handled, it feels empty having him in. Only two songs on the stage which is basically Battlefield without the summons and no Assist trophy.
Depends who it is and how fun they look to play, I could care less what company it comes from, despite the fact that I've never really played too many Square games so I'm not emotionally attached to any of their characters. Hence the reason I want slime, because he looks the coolest.
 

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Whatever. Should have known bringing this up here was a dumb idea. You don’t insult god in the middle of church. I’ll just go. Maybe I’ll come back. I’m not sure. Last thing I have to say on the matter. Really. Gonna leave it alone.

Just picture this. Your parents kept you from gaming for most of your life. You develop no childhood nostalgia for any one company. You get involved in the scene late and look around the ips to see what you like. You find a few. Try them out and love them. You wish you had been playing these games sense childhood. You want to show them to your children some day and go online to find when the next one comes. But one never dose. You keep waiting and it never is even announced. But you notice that another game series in the same genre is still going strong. You look into it and your not all that interested. But everyone won’t shut up about how great it is. Over and over again. It’s all you hear. Your simpers of “actually I prefer this” are drowned out by “how could you say that this game is flipping amazing” but try as you might you can’t see why. You start to grow bitter. Then you find out the people who made that game have acted like arrogant ******** and made really dumb decisions over the years. But their golden boy is so popular it never hurts them. That’s when you get resentful.

I know this probably still won’t make sense to any of you but this is how my gaming life was shaped. And my Media life in general as a very similar thing happened to me with DC and Warner Bros. I just wish I could live in a world where my favorite games also had huge fan bases and whole websites dedicated to them so I can be a real part of a community. But no. I’m just the slithering grind with the descending opinion here.
I'm late to the party, but hopefully I have something to add. To be completely honest some of your criticisms were valid. I personally like to say that Nintendo makes great games and systems, but is absolutely horrible at everything else (online, marketing, distribution, etc.). They've been getting better in recent times, but even then we still have to use a ****ty phone app for online interaction compared to, you know, THE CONSOLE. The ESRB hearings could've been handled better, but Nintendo had to take the moral high ground for the sake of coming across well to families. I'll always laugh at this though:

However, there are some holes in your argument. For one, Nintendo is the reason that Playstation exists in the first place. Playstation is the failed result of a collaboration between Nintendo and Sony to make a CD addition to the SNES; If Nintendo weren't successful then they never would've approached Sony to work together in the first place. I'm not saying that you should praise Nintendo for it, and maybe this isn't even a point, but I find it ironic that you criticize a company for their flaws when said flaws resulted in the media that you praise so heavily being created. Additionally, you're overcritical of Nintendo but look towards Sony with rose-tinted lens; Sony is far from perfect, and suffers from similar problems compared to Nintendo and by not acknowledging that you come off as hypocritical.

I think the main reason you were met with so much vitriol is the polemic nature of your argument and the nature of your argument itself. You came out intensely against Nintendo and two of their most beloved series, which for one is confusing for a Nintendo-based forum (I understand you later said that you enjoy other Nintendo series, but without that caveat it makes little sense for you to be here), but is also insensitive to the fanbases of those games. It's okay to not like something. I don't like Golden Sun or Xenoblade Chronicles 2. I think Golden Sun is boring and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is as cringy as bad harem/slice of life anime, but at the same time I respect the people who do enjoy those games, nor do I wish those series were less popular for my own sake.

Another thing is that the nature of your argument is selfish. It can be boiled down to "I don't like x, but I do like y, therefore x shouldn't be as popular so that y can be and I can get more of what I want." It assumes a hypothetical (that if x weren't as popular, y would be when z could've popped up to take x's place, still leaving y in the dust) and doesn't consider the emotions of other people. People don't like being disrespected.

I do understand where you're coming from though. I've experienced what you have many times within the anime community. Why does Sword Art Online keep getting adaptation after adaptation when Ouran High School Host Club is an amazing story that only has 1 season made and is a much better story that deserves so much more? Sword Art Online has a large fanbase that'll tell you it's sooooooo great when in reality it's absolute garbage and they seem delusional at times (I once saw a reddit post on the SAO subreddit of some guy asking whether he should buy the latest SAO game or food for the next two weeks as he only had enough money for one or the other; guess which one was suggested more?). Reki Kowabunga Kawahara is a terrible writer, yet the success of his series has catapulted him into stardom over other, better light novel writers who deserve better, and series such as Log Horizon are tragically overlooked in favor of the much worse Sword Art Online.

The difference, however, is perspective. Similar to how you enjoy Nintendo games but not Nintendo, I enjoy Sword Art Online for what it is: a bad anime. Instead of looking at the negatives, such as horrible plot and characters, lazy writing and exposition dumps, borderline wish fulfillment in the form of God Kirito, I look towards the good, being solid visuals and animation, and the capability to turn off my brain and make fun of it. I also understand that people genuinely enjoy the show, and while I may not understand that and may disagree with said people and their life choices, that's their choice to make and it has no bearing on me, just how SAO's popularity ultimately has no bearing on that of Ouran High School Host Clubs, and how Nintendo's popularity has no bearing on Sony's. I also understand that that's just how it goes sometimes. Sometimes we don't get our way in life, and while it sucks, it's just life. There's no reason to get up in arms about it, especially when it won't accomplish anything; you don't see me going after Erdrick or Geno fans because Sora likely isn't the Square Enix character.

You simplified a much wider issue (a large abundance of character platformers, a problem which stems back to the SNES era) and conflated it with arguments from the console wars to come to a jaded, misinformed opinion that you then used to go after a discussion board that would, understandably, have a largely differing opinion. While the reactions that you got from some people were rude and certainly not okay, one, you have to understand where these people are coming from, and two, you have to cater to your audience. I believe a much more subdued opinion, like
I disagree with Nintendo's violent business practices and don't understand why people enjoy games like Mario and the Legend of Zelda over others games
would've gotten you much better reception compared to what you said, which sounds more like anti-Nintendo propaganda one would find on GameFAQs.

There's more to life than this internet forum, and if you're getting significantly heated up then that's a sign to step back, take a deep breath, and maybe take a break for a while. I know you and I may disagree at times, but I wish you nothing but the best. :)
 
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Clearly the Day 1 patch will remove all the characters that aren't named Kirby and replace them with Kirby versions of them. King Dedede, Meta Knight and Dark Pit will remain the way they are though.
 

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Clearly the Day 1 patch will remove all the characters that aren't named Kirby and replace them with Kirby versions of them. King Dedede, Meta Knight and Dark Pit will remain the way they are though.
You forgot Mr. Game & Watch.
 

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2 DAYS LEFT :ultdk:
(Almost there!!!)

2 days left alt.png

With special guest appearance from my real-life best friend and DK fan, The Rage King!
(Obviously not his real name. We came up with the title as kids and it stuck.)

He plays Donkey Kong a lot, and i'm gonna play King K Rool a lot, so it kinda fits with our friendly rivalry.

The irony of the fact that he, the angry king, plays the stupid Ape. And I, the stupid ape, will play the angry king is not lost on me.

As for the location of the real Donkey Kong and K Rool, they're off getting ready for Smash.
They left us in charge of the Kremling Krew and Kongo Jungle (especially the banana horde). We're taking our jobs very seriously!
 

Dannish

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I'm late to the party, but hopefully I have something to add. To be completely honest some of your criticisms were valid. I personally like to say that Nintendo makes great games and systems, but is absolutely horrible at everything else (online, marketing, distribution, etc.). They've been getting better in recent times, but even then we still have to use a ****ty phone app for online interaction compared to, you know, THE CONSOLE. The ESRB hearings could've been handled better, but Nintendo had to take the moral high ground for the sake of coming across well to families. I'll always laugh at this though:

However, there are some holes in your argument. For one, Nintendo is the reason that Playstation exists in the first place. Playstation is the failed result of a collaboration between Nintendo and Sony to make a CD addition to the SNES; If Nintendo weren't successful then they never would've approached Sony to work together in the first place. I'm not saying that you should praise Nintendo for it, and maybe this isn't even a point, but I find it ironic that you criticize a company for their flaws when said flaws resulted in the media that you praise so heavily being created. Additionally, you're overcritical of Nintendo but look towards Sony with rose-tinted lens; Sony is far from perfect, and suffers from similar problems compared to Nintendo and by not acknowledging that you come off as hypocritical.

I think the main reason you were met with so much vitriol is the polemic nature of your argument and the nature of your argument itself. You came out intensely against Nintendo and two of their most beloved series, which for one is confusing for a Nintendo-based forum (I understand you later said that you enjoy other Nintendo series, but without that caveat it makes little sense for you to be here), but is also insensitive to the fanbases of those games. It's okay to not like something. I don't like Golden Sun or Xenoblade Chronicles 2. I think Golden Sun is boring and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is as cringy as bad harem/slice of life anime, but at the same time I respect the people who do enjoy those games, nor do I wish those series were less popular for my own sake.

Another thing is that the nature of your argument is selfish. It can be boiled down to "I don't like x, but I do like y, therefore x shouldn't be as popular so that y can be and I can get more of what I want." It assumes a hypothetical (that if x weren't as popular, y would be when z could've popped up to take x's place, still leaving y in the dust) and doesn't consider the emotions of other people. People don't like being disrespected.

I do understand where you're coming from though. I've experienced what you have many times within the anime community. Why does Sword Art Online keep getting adaptation after adaptation when Ouran High School Host Club is an amazing story that only has 1 season made and is a much better story that deserves so much more? Sword Art Online has a large fanbase that'll tell you it's sooooooo great when in reality it's absolute garbage and they seem delusional at times (I once saw a reddit post on the SAO subreddit of some guy asking whether he should buy the latest SAO game or food for the next two weeks as he only had enough money for one or the other; guess which one was suggested more?). Reki Kowabunga Kawahara is a terrible writer, yet the success of his series has catapulted him into stardom over other, better light novel writers who deserve better, and series such as Log Horizon are tragically overlooked in favor of the much worse Sword Art Online.

The difference, however, is perspective. Similar to how you enjoy Nintendo games but not Nintendo, I enjoy Sword Art Online for what it is: a bad anime. Instead of looking at the negatives, such as horrible plot and characters, lazy writing and exposition dumps, borderline wish fulfillment in the form of God Kirito, I look towards the good, being solid visuals and animation, and the capability to turn off my brain and make fun of it. I also understand that people genuinely enjoy the show, and while I may not understand that and may disagree with said people and their life choices, that's their choice to make and it has no bearing on me, just how SAO's popularity ultimately has no bearing on that of Ouran High School Host Clubs, and how Nintendo's popularity has no bearing on Sony's. I also understand that that's just how it goes sometimes. Sometimes we don't get our way in life, and while it sucks, it's just life. There's no reason to get up in arms about it, especially when it won't accomplish anything; you don't see me going after Erdrick or Geno fans because Sora likely isn't the Square Enix character.

You simplified a much wider issue (a large abundance of character platformers, a problem which stems back to the SNES era) and conflated it with arguments from the console wars to come to a jaded, misinformed opinion that you then used to go after a discussion board that would, understandably, have a largely differing opinion. While the reactions that you got from some people were rude and certainly not okay, one, you have to understand where these people are coming from, and two, you have to cater to your audience. I believe a much more subdued opinion, like

would've gotten you much better reception compared to what you said, which sounds more like anti-Nintendo propaganda one would find on GameFAQs.

There's more to life than this internet forum, and if you're getting significantly heated up then that's a sign to step back, take a deep breath, and maybe take a break for a while. I know you and I may disagree at times, but I wish you nothing but the best. :)
I wish I were as well spoken as you.
 

SnakeFighter64

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I'm late to the party, but hopefully I have something to add. To be completely honest some of your criticisms were valid. I personally like to say that Nintendo makes great games and systems, but is absolutely horrible at everything else (online, marketing, distribution, etc.). They've been getting better in recent times, but even then we still have to use a ****ty phone app for online interaction compared to, you know, THE CONSOLE. The ESRB hearings could've been handled better, but Nintendo had to take the moral high ground for the sake of coming across well to families. I'll always laugh at this though:

However, there are some holes in your argument. For one, Nintendo is the reason that Playstation exists in the first place. Playstation is the failed result of a collaboration between Nintendo and Sony to make a CD addition to the SNES; If Nintendo weren't successful then they never would've approached Sony to work together in the first place. I'm not saying that you should praise Nintendo for it, and maybe this isn't even a point, but I find it ironic that you criticize a company for their flaws when said flaws resulted in the media that you praise so heavily being created. Additionally, you're overcritical of Nintendo but look towards Sony with rose-tinted lens; Sony is far from perfect, and suffers from similar problems compared to Nintendo and by not acknowledging that you come off as hypocritical.

I think the main reason you were met with so much vitriol is the polemic nature of your argument and the nature of your argument itself. You came out intensely against Nintendo and two of their most beloved series, which for one is confusing for a Nintendo-based forum (I understand you later said that you enjoy other Nintendo series, but without that caveat it makes little sense for you to be here), but is also insensitive to the fanbases of those games. It's okay to not like something. I don't like Golden Sun or Xenoblade Chronicles 2. I think Golden Sun is boring and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is as cringy as bad harem/slice of life anime, but at the same time I respect the people who do enjoy those games, nor do I wish those series were less popular for my own sake.

Another thing is that the nature of your argument is selfish. It can be boiled down to "I don't like x, but I do like y, therefore x shouldn't be as popular so that y can be and I can get more of what I want." It assumes a hypothetical (that if x weren't as popular, y would be when z could've popped up to take x's place, still leaving y in the dust) and doesn't consider the emotions of other people. People don't like being disrespected.

I do understand where you're coming from though. I've experienced what you have many times within the anime community. Why does Sword Art Online keep getting adaptation after adaptation when Ouran High School Host Club is an amazing story that only has 1 season made and is a much better story that deserves so much more? Sword Art Online has a large fanbase that'll tell you it's sooooooo great when in reality it's absolute garbage and they seem delusional at times (I once saw a reddit post on the SAO subreddit of some guy asking whether he should buy the latest SAO game or food for the next two weeks as he only had enough money for one or the other; guess which one was suggested more?). Reki Kowabunga Kawahara is a terrible writer, yet the success of his series has catapulted him into stardom over other, better light novel writers who deserve better, and series such as Log Horizon are tragically overlooked in favor of the much worse Sword Art Online.

The difference, however, is perspective. Similar to how you enjoy Nintendo games but not Nintendo, I enjoy Sword Art Online for what it is: a bad anime. Instead of looking at the negatives, such as horrible plot and characters, lazy writing and exposition dumps, borderline wish fulfillment in the form of God Kirito, I look towards the good, being solid visuals and animation, and the capability to turn off my brain and make fun of it. I also understand that people genuinely enjoy the show, and while I may not understand that and may disagree with said people and their life choices, that's their choice to make and it has no bearing on me, just how SAO's popularity ultimately has no bearing on that of Ouran High School Host Clubs, and how Nintendo's popularity has no bearing on Sony's. I also understand that that's just how it goes sometimes. Sometimes we don't get our way in life, and while it sucks, it's just life. There's no reason to get up in arms about it, especially when it won't accomplish anything; you don't see me going after Erdrick or Geno fans because Sora likely isn't the Square Enix character.

You simplified a much wider issue (a large abundance of character platformers, a problem which stems back to the SNES era) and conflated it with arguments from the console wars to come to a jaded, misinformed opinion that you then used to go after a discussion board that would, understandably, have a largely differing opinion. While the reactions that you got from some people were rude and certainly not okay, one, you have to understand where these people are coming from, and two, you have to cater to your audience. I believe a much more subdued opinion, like

would've gotten you much better reception compared to what you said, which sounds more like anti-Nintendo propaganda one would find on GameFAQs.

There's more to life than this internet forum, and if you're getting significantly heated up then that's a sign to step back, take a deep breath, and maybe take a break for a while. I know you and I may disagree at times, but I wish you nothing but the best. :)
Ok. I’ll take a breather. I think i’m more angry at life than I am you guys or Nintendo. I’ll stop trying to take it out here.
 

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Sword Art Online has a large fanbase that'll tell you it's sooooooo great when in reality it's absolute garbage and they seem delusional at times (I once saw a reddit post on the SAO subreddit of some guy asking whether he should buy the latest SAO game or food for the next two weeks as he only had enough money for one or the other; guess which one was suggested more?). Reki Kowabunga Kawahara is a terrible writer, yet the success of his series has catapulted him into stardom over other, better light novel writers who deserve better, and series such as Log Horizon are tragically overlooked in favor of the much worse Sword Art Online.
Hey.
The Ordinal Scales movie was absolutely fantastic.
And the alicization / GGO Novels are pretty great.

Fight me.
 
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Well, with the day one patch, that's the Pirahna Plant leaker with a perfect record. Wonder what it has? Could be all kinds of things.

A 400mb lossless FLAC of Body Rock from WarioWare DIY/Gold, that's my guess.
 

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Imagine if there was a character that only appeared in the Japanese ver. of Smash 64 and never appeared in any other game since until Ultimate.
 

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Hey.
The Ordinal Scales movie was absolutely fantastic.
And the Acilization / Gun gales Novels are pretty great.

Fight me.
Ordinal Scale was okay, but I'll give you that the last scene was great.
When Asuna performed Mother's Rosario and Yuuki showed up next to her to help her perform I got giddy.
And Reki Kawahara is seemingly improving as a writer, it's just that they're adapting his **** first. Gun Gale was better than Fairy Dance (not praise), but still worse than Aincrad and Mother's Rosario. If I had to rank arcs, it'd go like this:
  • Mother's Rosario (Removing Kirito and making Asuna a character worked pretty well. The stakes were realistic, and the Sleeping Knights were an amazing ragtag group)
  • Gun Gale Alternative (I know it's not TECHNICALLY SAO, but it's still SAO and it's good)
  • Aincrad (The high stakes and the intensity of "if you die in the game you die in real life" really carried this. It was also interesting to see a relationship develop within the game, being Kirito and Asuna who were both actually characters at the time)
  • Gun Gale (tried to recreate the stakes of Aincrad and was half successful. They introduced sniper waifu who is best girl and lightsabers though, so they get points for that)
  • Calibur (Inoffensive filler)




  • Fairy Dance (there's a reason I put four spots between it and Calibur. Fairy Dance is an absolute abomination of an arc and somehow manages to do everything wrong. Like, HOW CAN YOU **** UP WITH A STORY THAT BAD?!)
Supposedly Alicization is supposed to be good, but I'm an anime only so all I have is that to go off of.
I wish I were as well spoken as you.
This is what happens when I have an essay due tomorrow at 12 lol.

I should probably work on that.
 
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Reminder that out of all series that have a stage, the R.O.B. series is the only one that doesn't have one.
 
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