Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Competition's fierce, bro.
There is potentially only five spots left and we must all kill each other so our favorites make it.
And by kill, I obviously mean in Smash....obviously....

I’m confused, should I sharpen my pitchfork or not?

 

[Idon]

Has anyone seen Roy's guidance?
Can't find it online anywhere.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

So, how can and go from low tier to high tier in your opinion?

Oh? When did Link become low tier?

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Not happening mate.

1. Echo body types need to be near identical and not even Isabelle could be one.

2.Echoes already deconfirmed by Sakurai for DLC.

Keep in mind that Sakurai does have a habit of going back on his words. Ridley being too big, Villager not suited for Smash, etc

So if a second pack happens, I can see at least another newcomer with an Echo per pack would do. Coco and Crash can fit in together like two peas in a pod

 

[Idon]

Oh? When did Link become low tier?

When Smash 64 released.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh? When did Link become low tier?

Or mid-tier to high for him. I thought Link was still low tier even with his changes.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

When Smash 64 released.

I recall him being better in Brawl and definitely more viable in 4 though.

Then again, that was the superiorly dressed Twilight Link.

I'm guessing the removal of stuff like the hook shot probably did a number on him?

 

[beans]

1:38 is gonna be The Ridley Meta™

Ridlet doesnt let the boys play

 

[Dee Dude]

Keep in mind that Sakurai does have a habit of going back on his words. Ridley being too big, Villager not suited for Smash, etc

So if a second pack happens, I can see at least another newcomer with an Echo per pack would do. Coco and Crash can fit in together like two peas in a pod

Sure wish he went back on his word of not expecting too many newcomers.

 

[Robertman2]

I recall him being better in Brawl and definitely more viable in 4 though.

Then again, that was the superiorly dressed Twilight Link.

I'm guessing the removal of stuff like the hook shot probably did a number on him?

Link was like, 36th in Brawl. Pretty sure only Puff, Zelda and Ganondorf were worse

 

[Idon]

Sure wish he went back on his word of not expecting too many newcomers.

Sure wish Sakurai went back on this:

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Oh? When did Link become low tier?

64: 11/12
Melee: 18/26
Brawl: 35/38
Wii U/3DS: 31/55

Link has always been a mid-low tier character so far. Ultimate may be the first time he will get buffed to high tier

Sure wish he went back on his word of not expecting too many newcomers.

I have a feeling he may have meant that for unique newcomers

So far we have what 6 newcomers that are unique plus Piranha Plant and 5 more?

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Didn't realize I double posted. Delete please

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

64: 11/12
Melee: 18/26
Brawl: 35/38
Wii U/3DS: 31/55

Link has always been a mid-low tier character so far. Ultimate may be the first time he will get buffed to high tier



I have a feeling he may have meant that for unique newcomers

So far we have what 6 newcomers that are unique plus Piranha Plant and 5 more?

Even counting echoes, it's less than any other game, so he was true to his word. Although ironically, if there's a wave 2 DLC with five more characters, then there will actually be more newcomers than any other game.

 

[Dee Dude]

I feel Lyn’s chances just aren’t that great anymore regards to future Smash titles because the demand for her promotion is nowhere Waluigi or Isaac’s.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Has anyone seen Roy's guidance?
Can't find it online anywhere.

there’s only been the text so far

Sure wish Sakurai went back on this:
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Dark Lyn Times

 

[Darkbeard]

I'm guessing the removal of stuff like the hook shot probably did a number on him?

At least his remotely-detonated bombs give him some pretty cool setup options this time though.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

But didn't Vergeben say in his private message that he heard that Sora was not it?

Nobody knows who the SE rep is or isn't.

Now thinking about this tansut guy, I have this crazy theory. He said that whatever leaked “ruffled feathers” is a leak we have seen before. What if all along, the leak was that Hashimoto tweet saying “yes” to answer someone asking for Sora in smash? Now I know this is some tinfoil hat ****, but is this the leak he might be referring to that everyone may have overlooked? Just some food for thought.

It could've been that, could've been LeakyPanda, could've been the Sassy Geno pic (even if it's fake because it got people to believe in Geno), a text leak that we immediately disregarded, or something that wasn't caught like the play tester who leaked the entire roster and Piranha Plant unbeknownst to over half of the community. There are too many possibilities to come to any sort of consensus.

 

[Deleted member]

Crash’s chances get higher every day we pass.

 

[ClaTheBae]

So, in case any of you are curious, here is some knowledge compiled from me and my friend's play time of Ultimate. Some of it will be obvious but thought it would be important to mention anyway.

-Shield feels closer to melee shield. It's not nearly as good as it is in 4 and shield stun is ridiculous. Shield grab is apparently not as good of an option anymore. So overall, shield is pretty bad and if possible, use maneuvers like jumping or crouching to avoid moves.

-Everyone is bad offstage. Like honestly, getting back onstage is as tricky as melee. Ledge isn't the best option anymore, so landing onstage is gonna become a good option again.

-3 frame jumpsquat makes every character feel better, especially snake.

-Pretty much everyone with a sword is busted as hell. Link is probably the worst sword character and he's still good. Roy is the best one despite his lack of landing options.

-K rool good. Real good. Gotta force him to recover high if you want to edge guard which is really tricky.

-Most importantly, combos are back. Chaining hits together is back. You can bring someone from 0 to 50 or 60 if you're good enough.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Crash’s chances get higher every day we pass.

maybe it does...maybe it does not...all that is known is that Mario vs Sonic vs Crash when?

 

[Seine]

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/BXQ73nG
Proof I was right spirits aren’t deconfirms

 

[SlickWylde]

2.Echoes already deconfirmed by Sakurai for DLC.

Which makes me very happy. Because for once, a clone WOULD actually take up a slot for a unique character in this case.

 

[Ezclapper]

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/BXQ73nG
Proof I was right spirits aren’t deconfirms

Fighter spirit. Two different things but I believe for the record that they don’t deconfirm

 

[LetterO]

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/BXQ73nG
Proof I was right spirits aren’t deconfirms

That's a Fighter Spirit which can't be equipped and you get them from completing a fighter's classic mode.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/BXQ73nG
Proof I was right spirits aren’t deconfirms

Except that Daisy was revealed BEFORE spirits did

So, in case any of you are curious, here is some knowledge compiled from me and my friend's play time of Ultimate. Some of it will be obvious but thought it would be important to mention anyway.

-Shield feels closer to melee shield. It's not nearly as good as it is in 4 and shield stun is ridiculous. Shield grab is apparently not as good of an option anymore. So overall, shield is pretty bad and if possible, use maneuvers like jumping or crouching to avoid moves.

-Everyone is bad offstage. Like honestly, getting back onstage is as tricky as melee. Ledge isn't the best option anymore, so landing onstage is gonna become a good option again.

-3 frame jumpsquat makes every character feel better, especially snake.

-Pretty much everyone with a sword is busted as hell. Link is probably the worst sword character and he's still good. Roy is the best one despite his lack of landing options.

-K rool good. Real good. Gotta force him to recover high if you want to edge guard which is really tricky.

-Most importantly, combos are back. Chaining hits together is back. You can bring someone from 0 to 50 or 60 if you're good enough.

Nice observation! I'm happy to hear that Roy (and Chrom) has a chance to remain in the high tiers this time around as long as the nerfs wave don't hit them

What's your thoughts are on Ridley and Incineroar? Mid-low tier?

 

[GoeGoe]

Protip: if you're starting to hate characters solely because of their presence in Smash speculation, it's time to take a step back from speculation and cool off a bit.

Wow! GamePro

 

[Raxxel]

Tbh if characters get fighter spirits after completing their classic modes then that only further reinforces Spirits being the same thing as trophies and not being deconfirms as a result.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Sure wish he went back on his word of not expecting too many newcomers.

Honestly, we still got a sizable amount of newcomers, all things considered.

 

[monadoboy]

I feel Lyn’s chances just aren’t that great anymore regards to future Smash titles because the demand for her promotion is nowhere Waluigi or Isaac’s.

I have a feeling IntSys's demands for her promotion may be as loud as the fan's want of those combined.

They definitely want that gacha money making machine in Smash

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, we still got a sizable amount of newcomers, all things considered.

Oldcomers are better, doh.

I have a feeling IntSys's demands for her promotion may be as loud as the fan's want of those combined.

They definitely want that gacha money making machine in Smash

Lyn vs The Bandicoot

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Lucas and Mewtwo were special circumstances in Sm4sh as they were both highly requested veterans from previous games. Sakurai even got told to his face by a fan in a panel at E3 2014 that people wanted Mewtwo, that's how popular he was.

Comparing someone like Bandana Dee to Mewtwo is comparing apples to oranges.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Except that Daisy was revealed BEFORE spirits did

Nice observation! I'm happy to hear that Roy (and Chrom) has a chance to remain in the high tiers this time around as long as the nerfs wave don't hit them

What's your thoughts are on Ridley and Incineroar? Mid-low tier?

Chrom may be lower than Roy due to his Little Mac recovery (but he does have good airspeed so we will have to see)

Ridley looks kinda good. Maybe not tournament viable good, but still good. Didn't test him enough.
And in my opinion Incineroar is bad. Like, He's really slow and predictable, and very easy to punish.

 

[Deleted member]

Lucas and Mewtwo were special circumstances in Sm4sh as they were both highly requested veterans from previous games.

Comparing someone like Bandana Dee to Mewtwo is comparing apples to oranges.

In the end, everyone is like onions.

 

[Deleted member]

That's a Fighter Spirit which can't be equipped and you get them from completing a fighter's classic mode.

That last part is complete bull because that Spirit was first seen being bought in the Ingame Shop

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/BXQ73nG
Proof I was right spirits aren’t deconfirms

fighter spirit. thats a fighter spirt.

 

[Cosmic77]

1:38 is gonna be The Ridley Meta™

Yeah. Ridley is definitely a low tier character if I ever saw one.

Hopefully this will encourage people to practice with him instead of giving up the second they realize how hard it is to recover.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

That last part is complete bull because that Spirit was first seen being bought in the Ingame Shop

Yeah, uhhhhh...can I get some source with that please?

 

[KiBom]

Anyone else hoping to get into competitive with Ultimate.

Pretty ready to get bodied for 6 months.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

That last part is complete bull because that Spirit was first seen being bought in the Ingame Shop

Plus, wouldn't it be here smash render if it was her fighter spirit?