Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[beans]

Okay, this is waaaay too much work for one character.

A lot of inside sources are saying we're getting a SE character. Let's just leave it at that instead of speculating over random details that won't bring us any closer to figuring out who said character is.

Okay, back to the off-topic talks.
So what about a bowset---

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Okay, this is waaaay too much work for one character.

A lot of inside sources are saying we're getting a SE character. Let's just leave it at that instead of speculating over random details that won't bring us any closer to figuring out who said character is.

No

 

[Deleted member]

I'll just say that, either I'm trustworthy, Or my luck is beyond everything we saw during the ultimate periods and tomorrow I play the lottery your choice.

>Defended the idea that everyone will be back, when like...90% of the thread was like "CUT WILL HAPPENS!" (There were echoes (ahaha) about having no cut at all for the next Smash)
>In July make a long meme about Chrom being an Echo when Sakurai explained Echo fighters
>The day before the August Direct, go ****post on 4chan about Chrom getting in. (Knew about Chrom)
>When everyone were debating about Decidueyes and Lycanroc I placed all of my chips on Incineroar (Knew about Incineroar)
>Directly said that the Box Theory was right BUT and even before Vergeben spoke, said that the Square-Enix characters have a high chance of being DLC
>Directly dissmissed every leak saying that Geno was base game, even if it made me look like an Anti-Geno (Knew that Geno wasn't on the base game)
>Honestly, why do you think I was directly against the ****ing Grinch leak day one? Even if I went "TeamMMMMH" while still making sure to show argument against it. (Literally anyone who knew a bit of information, knew that it was ****ing fake)

It totally sounds like I'm bragging.
Which I'am.

But no, more seriously.
I'm not like the ultimate insider, or whatever, heck, I'm not even someone who got the info "at the source" more like got it because of "Domino" effect.
I'm just a guy who ended up being at the right place, at the right time, and talk with the right persons.
Because in the end, what I know, I can only prove it once it's revealed, so, I'm as surprised as you guys when something it revealed.

For the Square-Enix characters,I know nothing you guys don't know now.
What I heard, since the names are now public and match what I know were:

>Sora - Who had conflincting information / said he was probably red herring -
>Geno - Who was said to be red herring -
>Crono (Why do you think I decided to bring him up multiple time?)
>DQ Hero - No name or games, just a DQ protagonist -

Once again, there people on this very thread who could verify what I say.
But then, I know nothing more, nothing else. Nada. 0.
I don't care saying this now, since the game will be out in a week, and I don't think I'll know anything more at all.

Which is why that PolarPanda stuff and SE news surprise me too.

nekoo please tell me is sigma in im dying out here

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, back to the off-topic talks.
So what about a bowset---

Are you excited for Godzilla:King Of The Monsters?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Guys. I only have a few moments to post this here. I come from the future! I've seen the game awards! We saw the first DLC character! It was. Oh No! I'm Vanishing! IT WASsssssssss.

That's weird. Just got back to my computer and found that typed up there. Weird.

 

[Deleted member]

Guys. I only have a few moments to post this here. I come from the future! I've seen the game awards! We saw the first DLC character! It was. Oh No! I'm Vanishing! IT WASsssssssss.

That's weird. Just got back to my computer and found that typed up there. Weird.

Holy **** lads. sssssssss is ****ING IN.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

My bad I got Uematsu and Nomura confused.

So yeah there's a chance that Nomura is the creator who was shocked, could even explain lack of extra FF7 content depending on how early these talks went on.

 

[Deleted member]

Man why does all the crazy leak stuff happen at night. What time is it for you yanks anyway?

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Holy **** lads. sssssssss is ****ING IN.

HERE COMES THE MONEY!!!!


Sakurai would be so proud of his first DLC announcement

 

[Deleted member]

Guys. I only have a few moments to post this here. I come from the future! I've seen the game awards! We saw the first DLC character! It was. Oh No! I'm Vanishing! IT WASsssssssss.

That's weird. Just got back to my computer and found that typed up there. Weird.

>I remembered this after reading that

Buzz Lightyear confirmed.

 

[Deleted member]

I'll just say that, either I'm trustworthy, Or my luck is beyond everything we saw during the ultimate periods and tomorrow I play the lottery your choice.

>Defended the idea that everyone will be back, when like...90% of the thread was like "CUT WILL HAPPENS!" (There were echoes (ahaha) about having no cut at all for the next Smash)
>In July make a long meme about Chrom being an Echo when Sakurai explained Echo fighters
>The day before the August Direct, go ****post on 4chan about Chrom getting in. (Knew about Chrom)
>When everyone were debating about Decidueyes and Lycanroc I placed all of my chips on Incineroar (Knew about Incineroar)
>Directly said that the Box Theory was right BUT and even before Vergeben spoke, said that the Square-Enix characters have a high chance of being DLC
>Directly dissmissed every leak saying that Geno was base game, even if it made me look like an Anti-Geno (Knew that Geno wasn't on the base game)
>Honestly, why do you think I was directly against the ****ing Grinch leak day one? Even if I went "TeamMMMMH" while still making sure to show argument against it. (Literally anyone who knew a bit of information, knew that it was ****ing fake)

It totally sounds like I'm bragging.
Which I'am.

But no, more seriously.
I'm not like the ultimate insider, or whatever, heck, I'm not even someone who got the info "at the source" more like got it because of "Domino" effect.
I'm just a guy who ended up being at the right place, at the right time, and talk with the right persons.
Because in the end, what I know, I can only prove it once it's revealed, so, I'm as surprised as you guys when something it revealed.

For the Square-Enix characters,I know nothing you guys don't know now.
What I heard, since the names are now public and match what I know were:

>Sora - Who had conflincting information / said he was probably red herring -
>Geno - Who was said to be red herring -
>Crono (Why do you think I decided to bring him up multiple time?)
>DQ Hero - No name or games, just a DQ protagonist -

Once again, there people on this very thread who could verify what I say.
But then, I know nothing more, nothing else. Nada. 0.
I don't care saying this now, since the game will be out in a week, and I don't think I'll know anything more at all.

Which is why that PolarPanda stuff and SE news surprise me too.

You seem awfully talkative about Crono for someone who claims to have known all this stuff about the game

You better not know something about him that I don't, capiche?

Okay, this is waaaay too much work for one character.

A lot of inside sources are saying we're getting a SE character. Let's just leave it at that instead of speculating over random details that won't bring us any closer to figuring out who said character is.

Nah, man, this is the most fun rumour we've had in a while. We know one bit of info for sure but we can only speculate the definitive end result and we have plenty of side info to work with. Best text leak. period.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Man why does all the crazy leak stuff happen at night. What time is it for you yanks anyway?

wait did a leak happen what did i miss

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

For the Square-Enix characters,I know nothing you guys don't know now.
What I heard, since the names are now public and match what I know were:

>Sora - Who had conflincting information / said he was probably red herring -
>Geno - Who was said to be red herring -
>Crono (Why do you think I decided to bring him up multiple time?)
>DQ Hero - No name or games, just a DQ protagonist -

Once again, there people on this very thread who could verify what I say.
But then, I know nothing more, nothing else. Nada. 0.
I don't care saying this now, since the game will be out in a week, and I don't think I'll know anything more at all.

Which is why that PolarPanda stuff and SE news surprise me too.

Taking this into account, the dismissed character is either Sora or Geno. I also saw this post from Fatmanonice:

-If you've been paying attention, the rejected character has been talked about a lot to the point that just about everyone is comfortable saying "it's not them." People don't even butt heads about it aside from the one guy who's increasingly becoming a loose cannon and people are slowly starting to resent because of sheer carelessness.

-Bottom line based on this information: one's real, one's leak bait, and another is just flat out of the running. Of the remaining two, nobody is totally sure who is real and people have been super careful not to make any strong statement regarding this.

Sora and Geno are the two foremost characters that people say definitely aren't in the game, and match this perfectly. The deciding factor is this "loose cannon" that people are starting to resent, but there's no way to find out who that is. Like, it could be Spawn Wave with Sora, or PolarPanda with Geno, or someone else entirely.

Overall this information still changes nothing. Geno is still 99.99% not the SE rep, Sora still has a minuscule or nonexistent chance, and I'm still betting that we're going to get DQ or Crono.

I just hope we get the reveal at the VGAs so it can finally be over.

 

[FreeFox]

The world of leaks…. its interesting what happens behind the curtains. The only thing I can say is that Nekoo is really level headed and he has good tatste since he usually likes my posts.

I just spent the last 15 minutes watching footage of Pichu in Ultimate.

I might have to try playing Pichu in Ultimate. It looks pretty fun.

Ohh…. could you share some of that footage?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Man why does all the crazy leak stuff happen at night. What time is it for you yanks anyway?

It's like 5:00pm for me. A lot of the more memorable people on these forums seam to be active while I'm asleep.

 

[beans]

Are you excited for Godzilla:King Of The Monsters?

I dont watch movies a lot these days, only ones that really picked my interest.
The newest one I plan to watch is Batman Ninja.
(an excerpt of my reaction while watching the trailer with my friend
Me: this **** is so cool
*mecha appears* *collectively WOW!*
Me: thats a ****ing gurren lagan
*captions saying "by the director of Gurren Lagan and Kill la Kill"*
BIGGER WOW AND ME SLAPPING MY THIGH TO SHOW SURPRISE)

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'm thinking if we trust Polar for his word and I have no right to not at this point in time.

It came down to Geno and Dragon Quest probably. So essentially a battle of a little engine that could and a giant freight train.

 

[Deleted member]

It's like 5:00pm for me. A lot of the more memorable people on these forums seam to be active while I'm asleep.

It is 22:16 where i live.

 

[Deleted member]

wait did a leak happen what did i miss

What haven’t you missed? It happened over the last 2 or so pages. Essentially more info about SE rep is out.

 

[Arcanir]

I can't believe that Ridley finally become playable character after fans' countless years of begging and asking for him. Now he's here and I better see y'all main this character and make it worthwhile for yourself! I'm quite excited about his inclusion! #SmashBrosUltimate pic.twitter.com/yyfZBDMcLS

— IntelliHeath (@IntelliHeath) December 1, 2018

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Very much so, as said before his moveset is almost exactly what I was looking for in terms of the character as it emphasizes the sadistic and brutal nature he has and looks fun to play as well. I also like the little details Sakurai went out of his way to incorporate for him such as the Meta Ridley costume, all of his costumes being references, and even nods to his appearance in the manga. He feels very much like Ridley and I'm very satisfied with how he's been included, and I'm definitely looking forward to playing him once the game is out.

I got an idea. TEAM ECHOS OR TEAM BASE?

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Team Echo overall.

 

[perfectchaos83]

@Fatmanonice stated that out of 7 SE reps only three were seriously considered and of them one was immediately shot down and the other was used as leak bait in this post:

Nekoo shared some information that could corroborate this, and that's where we are currently.

Interesting to say the least. That Hashimoto "YES" tweet can be interpreted as part of that rally call.

There's a lot of pieces here and it really is quite amazing how much there is out there that doesn't point to one single character.

Still not budging from my DQ character stance.

Sakurai has already shown adversity to implement characters of a decent popularity in Japan but niche everywhere else, as shown by Takamaru.

I believe the post is around the 415-425 page in the Geno thread, sorry for no link.

Takamaru didn't make a ripple in Gaming history though, unlike Dragon Quest, which caused a wave by outright influencing the Japanese RPG industry.

 

[Nekoo]

I'm thinking if we trust Polar for his word and I have no right to not at this point in time.

It came down to Geno and Dragon Quest probably. So essentially a battle of a little engine that could and a giant freight train.

Crono : c

 

[beans]

Man why does all the crazy leak stuff happen at night. What time is it for you yanks anyway?

7:20 pm here
Summer clock adds one hour but screw that tought

 

[Deleted member]

Sakurai should make a new Mach Rider game, tbh.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

My bad I got Uematsu and Nomura confused.

So yeah there's a chance that Nomura is the creator who was shocked, could even explain lack of extra FF7 content depending on how early these talks went on.

Normura using Cloud as leverage to get Sora in to Smash would kinda be surprising. Like, he must've really wanted Sora in Smash in that case, and I can't imagine him going that far to get him in, especially considering that he's got his hands super full with KH3 and the FFVII remake.

 

[doomedtacox]

What haven’t you missed? It happened over the last 2 or so pages. Essentially more info about SE rep is out.

So what do we know now?

 

[TheCJBrine]

When he said "loose cannon," I just thought of that guy who posted the DM to 4chan and was apparently on Gamefaqs mad about how Verge's source said "It's not Sora."

Of course, I don't think that guy was a leaker, so I'm not sure who he'd be talking about, however I don't remember Geno being brought up by any actual leakers aside from PolarPanda's source, but the source is from Nintendo and isn't among the insiders most of the community knows. Plus, it seems even his source isn't sure.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Sakurai should make a new Mach Rider game, tbh.

I legit want him to make a Famicom Detective Club remake on Switch. Don't know what you'd call it, but I think it would be cool.

 

[Blargg888]

The world of leaks…. its interesting what happens behind the curtains. The only thing I can say is that Nekoo is really level headed and he has good tatste since he usually likes my posts.



Ohh…. could you share some of that footage?

It's right here.

It's a series of about 5 to 6 Pichu vs Ridley fights, all on Battlefield.

 

[Deleted member]

So what do we know now?

At least one character on the list is leak-bait.
One character was straight up rejected by Square, and the creators of the character were shocked. Evidence seems to suggest its Sora. Two characters on the list have been seriously discussed, and it’s one of them who’s the actual character.

 

[LetterO]

I really hope it's not a DQ rep. If it's just gonna be them after all this speculation and wait I'm gonna be disappointed. DQ I'm not interested in or care about at all. Sora and Geno I'd love. I don't know about Chrono but I'm certainly interested in his game. But DQ would just be a huge meh to me.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Crono : c

It's just amazing he made the list right?

He got to party with the big boys again and it was all good.

Lara Croft didn't even get an invitation. How rude.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

At least one character on the list is leak-bait.
One character was straight up rejected by Square, and the creators of the character were shocked. Evidence seems to suggest its Sora. Two characters on the list have been seriously discussed, and it’s one of them who’s the actual character.

aka not geno;v

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I'm thinking if we trust Polar for his word and I have no right to not at this point in time.

It came down to Geno and Dragon Quest probably. So essentially a battle of a little engine that could and a giant freight train.

This is how I feel every time we get new info about the SE rep, because nothing changes.

Just reveal Dragon Quest Hero and get this over with Nintendo.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Normura using Cloud as leverage to get Sora in to Smash would kinda be surprising. Like, he must've really wanted Sora in Smash in that case, and I can't imagine him going that far to get him in, especially considering that he's got his hands super full with KH3 and the FFVII remake.

It could've been Sephiroth that was given an instant no as well in that scenario. Not just Sora. Sora does make sense as a fast no as well. I can't see him not getting shocked by either being turned down. They're both pretty big well known gaming icons.

 

[Deleted member]

I legit want him to make a Famicom Detective Club remake on Switch. Don't know what you'd call it, but I think it would be cool.

Maybe he could pull a N Sane Trilogy and make a remake of three NES/Famicom games in one cartridge.

My picks would be Mach Rider, Famicom Detective Club and Murasame Castle.

 

[Deleted member]

From what little I do remember of DQ9, idk but a DQ hero could be pretty cool. Using magic and swords and potions and stuff.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I know right. I'm sick of leaks. I can't tell you HOW many leaks I believed pre-Isabelle. It was a different one every week. It eventually just starts feeling pointless. I wish we didn't HAVE to have leaks. I wish Nintendo just told us.

i'm waiting for this day to end.

I'm waiting for this WEEK to end. Well, 5 days. But still.

 

[kirbsmash]

i'm waiting for this day to end.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

It could've been Sephiroth that was given an instant no as well in that scenario. Not just Sora. Sora does make sense as a fast no as well. I can't see him not getting shocked by either being turned down. They're both pretty big well known gaming icons.

But souring the entire negotiations for it? Normura is an experienced businessman and game designer, and I doubt he'd let his emotions get the best of him like that.