Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Aerospherology]

They somehow keep making this CSS look worse with every chance they get
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Too many are here!

 

[Ivander]

Also **** you Shanoa is better

Soma is better for this alone. And for rocking the crazy eyes look.

 

[Pakky]

Too many are here!

Everyone get out!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Soma is better for this alone. And for rocking the crazy eyes look.

Ok, that's fine and all, but you know what? Order of Ecclesia is better than Aria of Sorrow, that's just the facts, OoE is dabesssssss

 

[PsySmasher]

They somehow keep making this CSS look worse with every chance they get
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Just wait until they add in the DLC slots.
Man if we do end up getting 30 more characters (ha ha ha), I might need to get a bigger TV.

 

[SvartWolf]

Can anyone educate me on the Lords of Shadow series? It's such a big collective "didn't actually happen" from the CV community(hell, even Smash seems to have a total of 0 references to it) that I have no idea of what it's actually like in terms of gameplay and lore.

Lords of shadow is a spin off trilogy. (even if the last game is loS2) And honestly.... is a mixed bag. that being said, there is good to be found on lords of shadows. in particular i think that the first game is actually a compelling game and the second one managed to improve the control and gemplay of gabriel belmont.
Regarding story.. it's totally non canon (for starters the belmonts and dracula re related by blood) but at the same time is self contained wich is cool. The first game actually had a decent story telling and mirro of fate wasnt too shabby. Sadly the story just falls apart in Lords of shadows 2 making it a huge dissapointment, because if LoS2 have kept the story quality of LoS1 it would been a very memorable game IMO.

Gameplay wise, the 3 are somewhat different.. but i find LoS2 to be the best (even if it have some seriously stupid **** in it) and Mirror of fate to be the worst. while the first one to be the more consistent. the first one is a series of levels progressions with a God of war esque battle arena mechanich, and between those battle arenas you had somewhat cool but linear "climbing" segments that all in all managed to give teh gameplay enough variety and was a good rest inbetween the combats arenas. Combat wise it wasn't too "Castlevania", but it was solid. you had 2 auras you can trigger while you managed to get magic by comboing withouth getting hit. Sadly it was developed during teh rise of the QTE so there are plenty of QTEs drop on the game. There is exploration but is minimal.

Mirror of fate on teh other hand slapped the previous game gameplay into a 2d exploring metroidvania, and while it may sound amazing... it SUUUUUCKS combat didnt translated well to 2d and the save system of teh previous linear game simply didnt work with the metroidvania castle, making deaths pointless and an annoyance. rather than something you care about.

Lords of shadow 2 brings back the first game combat and actually expands on it nicely making the 2 auras actually 2 different weapons. plus it's actually a metroidvania (albeit somewhat small) meaning that the climbing and exploration mechanichs of the first games work a little more naturally. sadly is not all good and dandy on teh gameplay mechanich.. since there are some forced stealth segments that really demolish an otherwise fun pace. (seriously take the stealth segments away and teh game immediatly gets better). other problem is that enemy variation is somewhat limited, contrary to other castlevanias, it completely refuses to use enemies of teh other LoS games, which imo would been helpful by expanding teh bestiary quite a bit.

Artwise the game are actually very nice to look at, animations in general are amazing (specially on LoS2) LoS 1 have a lot of influence from Lord of the rings movies and Pan's Laberynth.. but it's posible to see also some Supercastlevania IV influences down below. Mirror of fate's catsle actually is very beautiful to look at and have tons of interesting layouts, even if exploring teh castle isn't as an amazing experience as it should been. and LoS2 keeps a lot of the Mirror of fate notes, while making it more interesting to explore (albeit a little small)

Music wise... hhheehh... I don't think that Oscar aruajo didn a terrible work, and there are musical Highlights here and there, but generally not only feels a little flat, but is also spread incredibly thin on a ton of content, making it lose some of the charm it may had when heard by the 7th time on a different area. so its certainly isn't too memorable, which feels like a wrong thing to say for a castlevania game :/. As I said, there are a couple of highlights.. (the waterfalls remix, the belmonts theme they use before the lords of shadows fights, the library stage in mirror of fate, and the calmer piano sections on LoS2 works pretty well....) but thats not a lot.

The worst thing about Lords of Shadow 2 is that it could been a masterpiece... but it did had a trouble development cycle, and it shows. still i think that a 7.2 out of 10 score is fit, which isn't terrible by any means. Overall, if you find them at a good price on steam, they are worth a shot. as long as you approach them knowing that they are spinoffs. Mirror of fate is by far the worst, but at least is pretty to look at, and the Simon belmont design is cool XD.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

The route on unlocking characters on classic mode is kinda weird...was there any relative pattern they were going with or something?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

They somehow keep making this CSS look worse with every chance they get
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Where does this version of the CSS actually pop up in the game?

 

[Ivander]

Ok, that's fine and all, but you know what? Order of Ecclesia is better than Aria of Sorrow, that's just the facts, OoE is dabesssssss

Oh, Order of Ecclesia > Aria of Sorrow indeed. But Order of Ecclesia /> Dawn of Sorrow, even with the rather bland anime style.

 

[ThatOneAnon]

Hey guys remember Katalina?
Yeah me neither

 

[Ivander]

Hey guys remember Katalina?
Yeah me neither

Luigi The President Remembers.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh, Order of Ecclesia > Aria of Sorrow indeed. But Order of Ecclesia /> Dawn of Sorrow, even with the rather bland anime style.

OH YEAH? YOU REALLY WANNA SAY THAT? WELL I GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU!

I've yet to play Dawn of Sorrow so I can't comment on that just yet. I know that the extra mode is Julius, Yoko and Alucard together though

 

[Deleted member]

Lords of shadow is a spin off trilogy. (even if the last game is loS2) And honestly.... is a mixed bag. that being said, there is good to be found on lords of shadows. in particular i think that the first game is actually a compelling game and the second one managed to improve the control and gemplay of gabriel belmont.
Regarding story.. it's totally non canon (for starters the belmonts and dracula re related by blood) but at the same time is self contained wich is cool. The first game actually had a decent story telling and mirro of fate wasnt too shabby. Sadly the story just falls apart in Lords of shadows 2 making it a huge dissapointment, because if LoS2 have kept the story quality of LoS1 it would been a very memorable game IMO.

Gameplay wise, the 3 are somewhat different.. but i find LoS2 to be the best (even if it have some seriously stupid **** in it) and Mirror of fate to be the worst. while the first one to be the more consistent. the first one is a series of levels progressions with a God of war esque battle arena mechanich, and between those battle arenas you had somewhat cool but linear "climbing" segments that all in all managed to give teh gameplay enough variety and was a good rest inbetween the combats arenas. Combat wise it wasn't too "Castlevania", but it was solid. you had 2 auras you can trigger while you managed to get magic by comboing withouth getting hit. Sadly it was developed during teh rise of the QTE so there are plenty of QTEs drop on the game. There is exploration but is minimal.

Mirror of fate on teh other hand slapped the previous game gameplay into a 2d exploring metroidvania, and while it may sound amazing... it SUUUUUCKS combat didnt translated well to 2d and the save system of teh previous linear game simply didnt work with the metroidvania castle, making deaths pointless and an annoyance. rather than something you care about.

Lords of shadow 2 brings back the first game combat and actually expands on it nicely making the 2 auras actually 2 different weapons. plus it's actually a metroidvania (albeit somewhat small) meaning that the climbing and exploration mechanichs of the first games work a little more naturally. sadly is not all good and dandy on teh gameplay mechanich.. since there are some forced stealth segments that really demolish an otherwise fun pace. (seriously take the stealth segments away and teh game immediatly gets better). other problem is that enemy variation is somewhat limited, contrary to other castlevanias, it completely refuses to use enemies of teh other LoS games, which imo would been helpful by expanding teh bestiary quite a bit.

Artwise the game are actually very nice to look at, animations in general are amazing (specially on LoS2) LoS 1 have a lot of influence from Lord of the rings movies and Pan's Laberynth.. but it's posible to see also some Supercastlevania IV influences down below. Mirror of fate's catsle actually is very beautiful to look at and have tons of interesting layouts, even if exploring teh castle isn't as an amazing experience as it should been. and LoS2 keeps a lot of the Mirror of fate notes, while making it more interesting to explore (albeit a little small)

Music wise... hhheehh... I don't think that Oscar aruajo didn a terrible work, and there are musical Highlights here and there, but generally not only feels a little flat, but is also spread incredibly thin on a ton of content, making it lose some of the charm it may had when heard by the 7th time on a different area. so its certainly isn't too memorable, which feels like a wrong thing to say for a castlevania game :/. As I said, there are a couple of highlights.. (the waterfalls remix, the belmonts theme they use before the lords of shadows fights, the library stage in mirror of fate, and the calmer piano sections on LoS2 works pretty well....) but thats not a lot.

The worst thing about Lords of Shadow 2 is that it could been a masterpiece... but it did had a trouble development cycle, and it shows. still i think that a 7.2 out of 10 score is fit, which isn't terrible by any means. Overall, if you find them at a good price on steam, they are worth a shot. as long as you approach them knowing that they are spinoffs. Mirror of fate is by far the worst, but at least is pretty to look at, and the Simon belmont design is cool XD.

You mentioning the whole Belmont clan being related to Dracula reminds me of Castlevania legends. I’d be interested in a sequel to that game, I feel like there’s a lot you can do with that plot line.

 

[AIM0001]

Where does this version of the CSS actually pop up in the game?

Squad Strike I think.

 

[Deleted member]

The route on unlocking characters on classic mode is kinda weird...was there any relative pattern they were going with or something?

Some of them kinda make sense (killing Ganon, a king of evil, gets you another king of evil in K.Rool) but some are random like Pikachu's classic mode getting you Shulk

 

[DarthEnderX]

until they put Scrooge McDuck in smash I am officially declaring Sakurai a coward and a fraud

You mean Cranky Kong?

Ok, that's fine and all, but you know what? Order of Ecclesia is better than Aria of Sorrow, that's just the facts, OoE is dabesssssss

No. Just...no.

I mean, OoE has a better difficulty curve. But the Soul system completely destroys the glyph system.

 

[Ivander]

You mentioning the whole Belmont clan being related to Dracula reminds me of Castlevania legends. I’d be interested in a sequel to that game, I feel like there’s a lot you can do with that plot line.

The one with Sonia Belmont, right? The game is non-canon, so the Belmonts being related to Dracula and Trevor being Alucard's son is non-canon.

 

[Deleted member]

The one with Sonia Belmont, right? The game is non-canon, so the Belmonts being related to Dracula and Trevor being Alucard's son is non-canon.

I’m aware, but I’d be interested in another game taking place in that continuity.

 

[The DanMan051]

Some of them kinda make sense (killing Ganon, a king of evil, gets you another king of evil in K.Rool) but some are random like Pikachu's classic mode getting you Shulk

I thought it was Villager's Classic Mode?

Or is it actually random after all?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Anyone else prettt certain we will get a semi decent sized patch day 1?

 

[Flyboy]

You mean Cranky Kong?

As explained in a later post, Cranky would be an acceptable substitute, but nothing would be able to fill the moon-shaped hole in my heart.

 

[Bee Card]

What you guys are playing while waiting for SSBU?

GRADIUS

 

[Deleted member]

Anyone else prettt certain we will get a semi decent sized patch day 1?

Considering how the game appears to be a bit buggy now, yeah pretty sure. That and the leaker saying it.
Side note: if we’re gonna get non-video game characters in smash, it should be James Bond (pierce brosnan preferably), Scrooge Mcduck and Popeye in that order.

 

[zeldasmash]

Can anyone educate me on the Lords of Shadow series? It's such a big collective "didn't actually happen" from the CV community(hell, even Smash seems to have a total of 0 references to it) that I have no idea of what it's actually like in terms of gameplay and lore.

Honestly, Lords of Shadow, if viewed as what it was intended to be, a spin off to Castlevania, there's plenty of good to see. For one, the art is fantastic and very well illustrated, the visuals are fantastic, the music splendid and the gameplay (despite it being God of War) is fun. Lords of Shadow 2 is where it kinda goes into mixed bag territory, but Lords of Shadow is pretty damn good and Mirror of Fate was also pretty solid.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Anyone else prettt certain we will get a semi decent sized patch day 1?

Unless it's adding Mother Brain and Andross as bosses, it's a waste of time!

 

[Knight Dude]

Anyone else prettt certain we will get a semi decent sized patch day 1?

Nah. I'll believe it when I see it.

As explained in a later post, Cranky would be an acceptable substitute, but nothing would be able to fill the moon-shaped hole in my heart.

Not even old man roasts?

 

[Nekoo]

Anyone else prettt certain we will get a semi decent sized patch day 1?

Absolutely.

If that reddit post is true, I really hope it is, because I liked doing Home run contest between online session, or in Local between tournament match with friends-

 

[praline]

Anyone else prettt certain we will get a semi decent sized patch day 1?

Nah I think we won’t.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

GRADIUS

Huh, interesting. Which Gradius game?

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Considering how the game appears to be a bit buggy now, yeah pretty sure. That and the leaker saying it.
Side note: if we’re gonna get non-video game characters in smash, it should be James Bond (pierce brosnan preferably), Scrooge Mcduck and Popeye in that order.

Considering it's creator died today, Spongebob should get in, imo.

 

[Deleted member]

Considering how the game appears to be a bit buggy now, yeah pretty sure. That and the leaker saying it.
Side note: if we’re gonna get non-video game characters in smash, it should be James Bond (pierce brosnan preferably), Scrooge Mcduck and Popeye in that order.

Oh, I forgot about Tony Hawk. He’s an actual guy so that complicates things, but you can’t deny that the pro skater games have been rather influential and his games are very highly regarded.

 

[PsySmasher]

Anyone else prettt certain we will get a semi decent sized patch day 1?

As long as it's not bigger than Fallout 76's day 1 patch...

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

What you guys are playing while waiting for SSBU?

Level grinding in GW2 with some Scribblenauts Unlimited on the side.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Absolutely.

If that reddit post is true, I really hope it is, because I liked doing Home run contest between online session, or in Local between tournament match with friends-

Just curious but which reddit post was this?

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Absolutely.

If that reddit post is true, I really hope it is, because I liked doing Home run contest between online session, or in Local between tournament match with friends-

I still want stage creator back D:

 

[Flyboy]

Oh, I forgot about Tony Hawk. He’s an actual guy so that complicates things, but you can’t deny that the pro skater games have been rather influential and his games are very highly regarded.

A solid lineup. I wouldn't say no to Tony, but if Nintendo wanted to rep extreme sports games, they have 1080 Snowboarding and of course my jam Wave Race.

One could argue that if we go full videogame icons you could use Cranky as a Scrooge analogue, Joanna Dark for Bond, and maybe a unique Jumpman for Popeye, but none of those substitutions would adequately replace them IMO. I think it's fun to consider those four characters specifically and argue for their inclusion for more than just "they were in a videogame once".

Can't wait for the inevitable SpongeBob/Shrek cracks from people who think they're clever.

 

[Tako Tuesday]

So, does anyone have a source for the guy who apparently leak Incineroar and PP, and is saying we'll get a day 1 patch? I just like seeing the original source for these things.

 

[Untouch]

Does everyone in the community have selective memory?
Did everyone forget how buggy Smash 4 was on launch?
Do you not remember Wectoring or the Bowser Jr glitch?

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

A solid lineup. I wouldn't say no to Tony, but if Nintendo wanted to rep extreme sports games, they have 1080 Snowboarding and of course my jam Wave Race.

One could argue that if we go full videogame icons you could use Cranky as a Scrooge analogue, Joanna Dark for Bond, and maybe a unique Jumpman for Popeye, but none of those substitutions would adequately replace them IMO.

Can't wait for the inevitable SpongeBob/Shrek cracks from people who think they're clever.

>Spongebob's creator died today.
Too soon, my guy.

 

[Nekoo]

Just curious but which reddit post was this?

Reddit post that was two months old from a playtester.
Happened to leak Incineroar/Isabelle/Ken/Piranha Plants, Assist Trophies, and that the game will probably have a Day-One patch to add modes and fix things since the game is a bit buggy. Which were all true, but the post was deleted because /r Smashbros have a no leak policy.

Apparently, the game is indeed a bit buggy from people who "have" the game