Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Look, it's annoying, yes, but this is some serious hyperbole here. "Straight up abhorrent?" Bro, it's video games, and not even anything that we could genuinely call abhorrent about video games (like mandatory crunch time and 100 hour work weeks, things that actually matter). Temper yourself, save the anger for things that matter.

Oh, so proper franchise representation doesn't matter then? Literally all of what you just said can be applied to Square Enix's asinine behavior with their IPs involved this time around, y'know.

 

[Freaky Mutant Man]

You expect Konami to be the terrible company to work with. They fired Kojima, cancelled PT and made it so people that HAVE it can't even PLAY it anymore on HALLOWEEN, and they made Metal Gear Survive while pushing a lot of their IPs into being Pachinko Machines.


If this were Konami, you'd expect it. NOT Square. Not Mr."Look at how many beloved and timeless JRPGs we've made".

Small correction here: P.T. was never actually deleted off hard drives, that was misinformation. Still, your point is otherwise made.

 

[Deleted member]

That post was from 2+ months ago and it could be even longer since he was fired. They could've fixed alot of **** since then.

True, but I’d say it worth keeping in mind. Luckily patches are a thing so...

 

[Freaky Mutant Man]

Oh, so proper franchise representation doesn't matter then? Literally all of what you just said can be applied to Square Enix's asinine behavior with their IPs involved this time around, y'know.

Proper franchise representation matters less than a lot of other things, yes. Again, it's annoying, but nothing worth flying into a rage over.

Also, what exactly did I say that was applicable to this?

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

Wondering, do you think it's possible that one of the DLC Charcters is Monster Hunter?

 

[RyuhoFox]

Here's one I've found.

Also, looking at the spirit list...

Spoiler: Spirits

Shovel Knight gets five (Shovel, Shield, Plague, Specter and King Knights)
Shantae gets two (Shantae & Risky Boots)

Loving the recognition these two (n)indies get.

Fox gets an outfit but Krystal doesn't. Boooooo

 

[MSmariosonic]

Wondering, do you think it's possible that one of the DLC Charcters is Monster Hunter?

At this point MH is one of the most likely DLC characters if you ask me

 

[ChronoKatie]

I think I'm gonna fall back on my old standby of "Blame Nomura".

Kingdom Hearts is a mess of a story? Blame Nomura.

FF7 remake never happening? Blame Nomura.

TWEWY Final Remix being the series' last chance? Blame Nomura.

FF15 being in development hell until Nomoura handed it off to someone else? Blame Nomura.

Cloud being held hostage by his adopted father? Fill in the blank.

Seriously, Square lets the man do whatever he wants and that's honestly part of why they are in as much of a financial mess as they are.

I've always gotten the sense that it's the corporate suits at Square to blame. Nomura himself always seemed like an artist type to me. He is very much a man who does anything just cause he thinks it will be cool. After KH1, that was his entire process for the rest of KH's plot. Less concerned with what can't be done and more concerned with what can, regardless of ridiculousness, be done. So yes, absolutely blame him for a few of those, but I am actually not pointing my finger at him just yet for this bull with Cloud in Ultimate.]

But I could be totally off on that.

 

[Shroob]

At this point, I'm just holding out all hopes that Home Run Contest IS infact added as a Day 1 patch.


We have a LEGIT leaker saying there's going to be a Day 1 patch that adds "New modes", and we KNOW the mode is in the game's files along with its non-looping(Meaning it does NOT go on a stage) song.


Please Sakurai. Please.

 

[doomedtacox]

Here's one I've found.

Also, looking at the spirit list...

Spoiler: Spirits

Shovel Knight gets five (Shovel, Shield, Plague, Specter and King Knights)
Shantae gets two (Shantae & Risky Boots)

Loving the recognition these two (n)indies get.

Is Edelgard a spirit?

 

[Deleted member]

Also, POUR ONE OUT FOR MY BOY DUON NOT EVEN MENTIONED

 

[Deleted member]

I've always gotten the sense that it's the corporate suits at Square to blame. Nomura himself always seemed like an artist type to me. He is very much a man who does anything just cause he thinks it will be cool. After KH1, that was his entire process for the rest of KH's plot. So yes, absolutely blame him for a few of those, but I am actually not pointing my finger at him just yet for this bull with Cloud in Ultimate.]

But I could be totally off on that.

I dunno, we are talking about Tetsuya "I Wanted to Cancel FFXV's Development and Turn It Into a Musical" Nomura, sky's the limit.

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

What do you think the 1st party to 3rd party ratio of charcters in the DLC Pack will be?

 

[Gentlepanda]

At this point, I'm just holding out all hopes that Home Run Contest IS infact added as a Day 1 patch.


We have a LEGIT leaker saying there's going to be a Day 1 patch that adds "New modes", and we KNOW the mode is in the game's files along with its non-looping(Meaning it does NOT go on a stage) song.


Please Sakurai. Please.

Nintendo goes for 'games as a service' these days anyway (Mario Tennis/Party, Splatoon, etc.), adding 'missing' modes periodically. Given how comparatively bare some of the content in Ultimate is, I can see them going for the same model.

 

[Flyboy]

square stuff aside, can y'all explain to me why this is so damn catchy???

Spoiler: very minor music spoilers I guess (but not really?)

edit: oh my god there's an electric guitar two minutes in

Because Style Savvy ****ing slaps and the sooner we get the Stylist (or Sophie) as DLC the better.

 

[Cheryl~]

Oh, and there's also Crafted Yoshi as a Spirit, but it's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY towards the bottom of the list like it was last minute or something...

That actually makes more sense if you look at the Spirits surrounding it, there’s a ton of Spirits from recent Nintendo games (Lots of Xenoblade 2 and Mario Odyssey Spirits for example) at the bottom of that list, they must’ve all been added later in development because of being more recent. So yeah Crafted Yoshi being in that section makes sense considering it’s game hasn’t even released yet.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Because Style Savvy ****ing slaps and the sooner we get the Stylist (or Sophie) as DLC the better.

me first time listening: "huh, this is pretty good"
me sixty-third time listening: "EVERYBODY CLAP YOUR HANDS"

 

[ChronoKatie]

I dunno, we are talking about Tetsuya "I Wanted to Cancel FFXV's Development and Turn It Into a Musical" Nomura, sky's the limit.

Haha right. He is absolutely crazy, but not necessarily stingy. The man just does whatever he thinks of. That's why I would think he'd be immediately on board with Cloud in Smash: because it seems absurd. I don't know that he'd be the one to say no to anything. XD

 

[doomedtacox]

What do you think the 1st party to 3rd party ratio of charcters in the DLC Pack will be?

3 third party and 2 first party.

Steve
Edelgard
Pokemon gen 8
Slime (although square being crazy has me considering putting Geno here)
Monster Hunter

 

[Flyboy]

I dunno, we are talking about Tetsuya "I Wanted to Cancel FFXV's Development and Turn It Into a Musical" Nomura, sky's the limit.

It should've been a musical. Everything needs to be a musical. Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure 2. Let's go. #nomurawasright

Can someone link the entire Spirits list?

 

[Zinith]

It should've been a musical. Everything needs to be a musical. Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure 2. Let's go. #nomurawasright

Can someone link the entire Spirits list?

https://pastebin.com/NCi8Af0N

These are the actual names, not the filenames. There's a separate info dump for that if you want

 

[Deleted member]

This might actually be slightly in Geno’s favour, because it means Sakurai already has the rights to use him at least a bit unlike literally every other Square character except mallow. Assuming spirits aren’t deconfirms anyway

 

[Gentlepanda]

Slime (although square being crazy has me considering putting Geno here)

psst

 

[RyuhoFox]

Haha right. He is absolutely crazy, but not necessarily stingy. The man just does whatever he thinks of. That's why I would think he'd be immediately on board with Cloud in Smash: because it seems absurd. I don't know that he'd be the one to say no to anything. XD

As far as I am aware that's how it was with Nomura. Sakurai asked for Cloud and they were surprised because they though he would pick someone from one of the games closer to Nintendo but Sakurai said it had to be Cloud so that's what they went with.

 

[Chandeelure]

So, this are all the Kirby Spirits:

Spoiler

1. spi_kirby
2. spi_meta_knight
3. spi_dedede
4. spi_warp_star
5. spi_whispy_woods
6. spi_waddle_doo
7. spi_waddle_dee
8. spi_scarfy
9. spi_scarfy_transformed
10. spi_bronto_burt
11. spi_poppy_bros_jr
12. spi_nightmare_power_orb
13. spi_nightmare_wizard
14. spi_wheelie
15. spi_bugzzy
16. spi_meta_knights
17. spi_star_rod
18. spi_mr_shine_mr_bright
19. spi_mr_frosty
20. spi_dark_matter
21. spi_marx
22. spi_marx_soul
23. spi_dyna_blade
24. spi_chef_kawasaki
25. spi_knuckle_joe
26. spi_tac
27. spi_plasma_wisp
28. spi_halberd
29. spi_heavy_lobster
30. spi_gryll
31. spi_nago
32. spi_pitch
33. spi_chuchu
34. spi_dark_mind
35. spi_moley
36. spi_dark_daroach
37. spi_masked_dedede
38. spi_galacta_knight
39. spi_bandana_waddle_dee
40. spi_prince_fluff
41. spi_landia
42. spi_ultra_sword
43. spi_queen_sectonia
44. spi_robobot_armor
    1. spi_bonkers
    2. spi_rocky
    3. spi_rick
    4. spi_kine
    5. spi_coo
    6. spi_daroach
    7. spi_magolor
    8. spi_nightmare
    9. spi_kracko
    10. spi_gordo
    11. spi_bomber
    12. spi_gooey
    13. spi_dragoon
    14. spi_elline
    15. spi_susie

Where are the three general sisters from Star Allies?
We saw them in a video.

 

[Shroob]

As far as I am aware that's how it was with Nomura. Sakurai asked for Cloud and they were surprised because they though he would pick someone from one of the games closer to Nintendo but Sakurai said it had to be Cloud so that's what they went with.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to believe that's what really happened behind the scenes, but something just doesn't sit right with me.


Compare Bayonetta which got a TON of stuff in Smash 4, or even Street Fighter which got a Ken trophy.


FF got nothing. No Sephiroth, no Chocobo, no Tifa.... Not a single damn trophy.

 

[doomedtacox]

So I have no idea how square as whole runs, is it likely that this nomura guy is the one being stingy with cloud or some higher ups in the company?

 

[RawstyleEevee]

This might actually be slightly in Geno’s favour, because it means Sakurai already has the rights to use him at least a bit unlike literally every other Square character except mallow. Assuming spirits aren’t deconfirms anyway

People did say that they didn't find a Pirahna plant as a spirit though, so i'm very worried now that Spirits do deconfirm characters

 

[Flyboy]

https://pastebin.com/NCi8Af0N

These are the actual names, not the filenames. There's a separate info dump for that if you want

Spoiler: Spirits

THEY'RE IN LADS THEY MADE IT

RYOTA AND AKARI BOTH

also Mr. EAD of all people. And oh my god that is a LOT of Castlevania spirits. Soma Cruz! God I hope it's not the Dawn of Sorrow design.

 

[Deleted member]

So, this are all the Kirby Spirits:

Spoiler

1. spi_kirby
2. spi_meta_knight
3. spi_dedede
4. spi_warp_star
5. spi_whispy_woods
6. spi_waddle_doo
7. spi_waddle_dee
8. spi_scarfy
9. spi_scarfy_transformed
10. spi_bronto_burt
11. spi_poppy_bros_jr
12. spi_nightmare_power_orb
13. spi_nightmare_wizard
14. spi_wheelie
15. spi_bugzzy
16. spi_meta_knights
17. spi_star_rod
18. spi_mr_shine_mr_bright
19. spi_mr_frosty
20. spi_dark_matter
21. spi_marx
22. spi_marx_soul
23. spi_dyna_blade
24. spi_chef_kawasaki
25. spi_knuckle_joe
26. spi_tac
27. spi_plasma_wisp
28. spi_halberd
29. spi_heavy_lobster
30. spi_gryll
31. spi_nago
32. spi_pitch
33. spi_chuchu
34. spi_dark_mind
35. spi_moley
36. spi_dark_daroach
37. spi_masked_dedede
38. spi_galacta_knight
39. spi_bandana_waddle_dee
40. spi_prince_fluff
41. spi_landia
42. spi_ultra_sword
43. spi_queen_sectonia
44. spi_robobot_armor

Where are the three general sisters from Star Allies?
We saw them in a video.

Their towards the bottom of the list alongside other characters from newer Nintendo games.

 

[Gentlepanda]

People did say that they didn't find a Pirahna plant as a spirit though, so i'm very worried now that Spirits do deconfirm characters

At this point I'm certain they had a list of names more or less ready for DLC inclusion before deciding spirits. Could be wrong in 3-4 months when Geno or Elma or Bandana Dee get confirmed, but for now I'm taking them as deconfirmations.

 

[UberMadman]

So, this are all the Kirby Spirits:

Spoiler

1. spi_kirby
2. spi_meta_knight
3. spi_dedede
4. spi_warp_star
5. spi_whispy_woods
6. spi_waddle_doo
7. spi_waddle_dee
8. spi_scarfy
9. spi_scarfy_transformed
10. spi_bronto_burt
11. spi_poppy_bros_jr
12. spi_nightmare_power_orb
13. spi_nightmare_wizard
14. spi_wheelie
15. spi_bugzzy
16. spi_meta_knights
17. spi_star_rod
18. spi_mr_shine_mr_bright
19. spi_mr_frosty
20. spi_dark_matter
21. spi_marx
22. spi_marx_soul
23. spi_dyna_blade
24. spi_chef_kawasaki
25. spi_knuckle_joe
26. spi_tac
27. spi_plasma_wisp
28. spi_halberd
29. spi_heavy_lobster
30. spi_gryll
31. spi_nago
32. spi_pitch
33. spi_chuchu
34. spi_dark_mind
35. spi_moley
36. spi_dark_daroach
37. spi_masked_dedede
38. spi_galacta_knight
39. spi_bandana_waddle_dee
40. spi_prince_fluff
41. spi_landia
42. spi_ultra_sword
43. spi_queen_sectonia
44. spi_robobot_armor

Where are the three general sisters from Star Allies?
We saw them in a video.

Given the canonical explanation as to how Spirits exist, I will never not be amused by

Spoiler

Spirits such as the Ultra Sword. Apparently you can kill swords? Also, swords apparently have souls? I'm so very confused.

 

[Knight Dude]

Y'all talk about how Chun-li would be easy to make in smash.

But **** you all. I'm not ready for charging motion on a fast paced 2D platform game.

I doubt Chun was cut for a couple of reasons. Namely that her moveset writes itself, and said placement, if it does pertain to a character, would be more in line with a first party character like Piranha Plant. I think it might be him.

But they don't have to give her charge motions if they don't want to. She had mostly Half Circle inputs in games like Third Strike, so moves like Kikoken and Spinning Bird Kick could use those instead. Marvel Infinite even made them Quarter Circle motions.

 

[doomedtacox]

Spoiler: Spirits

View attachment 179497
THEY'RE IN LADS THEY MADE IT

RYOTA AND AKARI BOTH

also Mr. EAD of all people. And oh my god that is a LOT of Castlevania spirits. Soma Cruz! God I hope it's not the Dawn of Sorrow design.

Do you mind checking if Edelgard is in there?

 

[osby]

Don't give me spoilers but I need to know one thing about the World of Light: Does announcer loudly shouts "YOU SAVED THE EARTH!" at the instant you deal the last blow to Galeem?

Because if he doesn't, what's the point of a story mode?

 

[Knight Dude]

Given the canonical explanation as to how Spirits exist, I will never not be amused by

Spoiler

Spirits such as the Ultra Sword. Apparently you can kill swords? Also, swords apparently have souls? I'm so very confused.

Sure, some swords have souls. Soul Reaver, Soul Calibur, Soul Edge. Kind of sort of Yamato and Sparda.

 

[majimbo]

Donkey Kong songs are awesome...

 

[Flyboy]

Looking through the Spirits list there are some funny things I've noticed.

Spoiler: Spirits

Roll Caskett is in! Which is great but she's also nowhere near the other Mega Man characters. Same with Dee Jay and the other Street Fighter spirits. It's like they went "oh **** we forgot Dee Jay" and added him really fast.

No MGS2 or 4 Raiden Spirit, only MGR. That sucks because I really do dislike his MGR look in comparison. I was hoping for all three. Rosemary is there, though! That's very cool. They really dug deep with some of these Spirits and I love that.

 

[Deleted member]

https://pastebin.com/NCi8Af0N

These are the actual names, not the filenames. There's a separate info dump for that if you want

I'm just happy that we got spirits of characters from Shovel Knight.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Do you mind checking if Edelgard is in there?

She isn't. But even if Edelgard was a spirit, I very much doubt she'd be in until Three Houses was released.