Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

may i introduce you to our lord and saviour edea

Edea. The character that is wanted more because shes an actuall good character and not because she is "pretty"

Id still rather have Ringabel

 

[kirbsmash]

Incineroar is leaker bait

Again, how is that a thing?

 

[Gentlepanda]

how are you fellow Default fan
Whos you fav character. Mines Ringabel

Tossup between Ringabel and Edea. Agnes is my Smash prediction because they've tried to push her as the face of the franchise, but Edea was playable twice and has costumes from two games to use, so she'd be nice too.

We don't talk about Tiz.

 

[Luigi The President]

Edea. The character that is wanted more because shes an actuall good character and not because she is "pretty"

I-Is there a problem with that I haven't played Bravely Default :"(

 

[Idon]

Yall tell me when any other SE character or franchise becomes enough of a cultural phenomenon to have the a Live action TV parody be made ahout them ala Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I'd be surprised if no one honestly knew Geno either from the Mii Costume, the Smash community or simply from playing SMRPG; y'all act like he's a literally who and yet the SNES cartridge alone sold about 2.13 million, and while we don't know the Virtual Console version's sales, you'd think a decent chunk of people who bought the SNES Classic would have played it.

Plus, it's not like some of the 3rd-parties aren't already "literally whos" to a lot of those in the target audience (basing it off of the E10+ rating). I'm not saying Geno wouldn't get a "who?" response from a large amount of people (of course he would), but some of these other characters would, too...

If it's between Sora or DQ, though, I'd lean towards Sora because of the legal crap they'd have to go through for DQ music.

 

[Cosmic77]

It will be really damn disappointing if all the DLC characters are just promotion for something else.

Depends on what they're promoting.

I wouldn't mind BotW or Gen VIII promotion, but Three Houses... Well, let's just say FE isn't for everyone.

 

[Luigi The President]

Yall tell me when any other SE character or franchise becomes enough of a cultural phenomenon to have the a Live action movie parody be made ahout them ala Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Which notably was Japan-exclusive, correct

Don't think anyone's disputing DQ's very big over in Japan.
That's the thing though.

Just Japan.

 

[Wyoming]

Thought about it more, leaning towards the square character being Sephiroth. You wanna talk about iconic and popular characters, look no further.

Would they really add another FF character with stage and music tracks when they can't get any for base roster?

Unless Square are THAT greedy there's little to no chance of that.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I-Is there a problem with that I haven't played Bravely Default :"(

Nah, its just a pet peeve that people want a character solely because they look cute

id rather people want a character because they are a good character with a good personality and good potential

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Dracula, Rathalos, Galleon, and Giga Bowser are outright confirmed with Galeem being highly likely. Masked Lumen (Bayonetta), the Werewolf (Castlevania), and King Bulbin have at least been implied based on the title screen for the mode and it's likely Master Hand will be one based on him appearing in material related to the World of Light.

So that's 3 confirmed, 4 implied and the Master & Crazy hands most likely based on tradition. Still 1 short of Brawl's 10 Bosses. Wonder if another will return or if there's another new one waiting in the wings.

 

[Luigi The President]

Nah, its just a pet peeve that people want a character solely because they look cute

Sorry boss. Call me selfish lol.
It's just easier for me to grow fond of a character if I enjoy their design.

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Now, I know Piranha Plant was a great WTF character, but imagine how great it would've been If it was the water from Fluidity. NO ONE would know who it is.

Except me and maybe a few others lol.

 

[Deleted member]

Again, how is that a thing?

During the grinch leak, Harada tweeted that the reason Negan in Tekken didn’t leak was because he used leaker bait in different divisions to catch people out. This led some to think ‘hey Harada works at Namco, maybe they’re doing something similar for smash’.

 

[Gentlepanda]

I-Is there a problem with that I haven't played Bravely Default :"(

Square Enix's artists don't seem to think so.

 

[Troykv]

Tossup between Ringabel and Edea. Agnes is my Smash prediction because they've tried to push her as the face of the franchise, but Edea was playable twice and has costumes from two games to use, so she'd be nice too.

We don't talk about Tiz.

I feel like the weird guy, somehow I liked Agnès more xD

 

[RyuhoFox]

Ok, but Geno isn't happening.

I am as confident in this statement as I was in my prior statements about Incineroar being in. It's important to remember that prior to his reveal everyone doubted him. Especially during the height of the Grinch hoax.

I hope "Incineroar is leaker bait!" becomes the next "Shulk is a photoshopped Little Mac!"

Im still kind of confused how so many people, knowing how controlling and self centered TPC tends to be, still were so ready to believe that they would be fine with a pokemon they were actively promoting being dragged through the mud like that.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Anytime someone brings up Edea for Smash my brain goes to a very different Squeenix character.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Edea_Kramer

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Again, how is that a thing?

Let's just say that people were kinda desperate for the leak to be real...

 

[Dee Dude]

The lack of FF ATs, Spirits, and only two tracks makes me wonder why they ever bothered picking Cloud in the first place if they knew SE was gonna be strict.

Not that his inclusion isn’t good but it raises a question of why go through the trouble.

 

[Luigi The President]

Square Enix's artists don't seem to think so.

WELL WHO AM I SUPPOSED TO STAN AS THE "well if there's GOTTA be a Bravely rep" CHARACTER!! AAAA

 

[Deleted member]

Would they really add another FF character with stage and music tracks when they can't get any for base roster?

Unless Square are THAT greedy there's little to no chance of that.

Maybe that’s exactly the reason why there’s so little FF content in the base game, because another FF character is coming and they’re going to add some content from the series. Maybe square wants their characters as dlc so they can share profits. Don’t know how likely it is, but it’s a possibility.

 

[Nekoo]

Consider how there's no Squenix AT's, literally 2 Squenix music tracks, no Squenix Spirits-I don't think they /are/ overselling it.

People see the problem as "Square-Enix refused to give more music, spirit and AT so they're hard to work with"

Y'all need to think outside of the box as "They apparently were fine to give Cloud to Sakurai, surprised that he didn't want more recent characters, Nomura even think he did a better job than he could do to represent him, he also said that at some point he was just accepting what Sakurai was doing because he was that great. They got a Stages with multiple ICONICS summons that could represent FF by themselves. Sadly there is musical issues that are too hard to get around, that even Square-Enix themselves have issue to use their OWN music, but they still gave us two of the most iconics...Heck, THE most iconics battle themes in all JRPG. They accepted to give that "obscure" characters but fan favorite a Mii-Costume as a gifts.
For the next game they renewed the deal but couldn't do much more, instead deciding to work on a DLC characters."


See? Both sentence tells the same stories, but one push whatever narative you want. The real deal being that Square-Enix is like every company, the only issues is that they keep ****ing themselves with IP and Copyrights.

 

[staindgrey]

Oh, I haven't played the games yet. I just really like the character designs and think it would be a cool and unexpected addition to Smash.

I wanna play them, though! I just need to find the time (and money), lol.

Yeah, it's sheer coincidence I finally picked them up. I had a free B1G1 that was going to expire in a day, and my nearest Gamestop had JUST gotten a copy of Bravely Default and M&L Paper Jam traded in by the same guy, so I got those and Octopath Traveler for under $70 total. Then that same week I found Bravely Second's collectors edition still in-box selling for $60, and was like damn.

Now I have to actually play them but I just keep highfiving my Eevee's tail instead.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Can we all agree though that if Capcom gets a DLC rep it should and needs to be Monster Hunter.

Give me more classic modes with a Rathalos boss fight.

MORE.

 

[kirbsmash]

During the grinch leak, Harada tweeted that the reason Negan in Tekken didn’t leak was because he used leaker bait in different divisions to catch people out. This led some to think ‘hey Harada works at Namco, maybe they’re doing something similar for smash’.

I would argue that they're two different things all together, Just because one person did a thing don't mean they'd followed suit.

 

[Luigi The President]

People see the problem as "Square-Enix refused to give more music, spirit and AT so they're hard to work with"

Y'all need to think outside of the box as "They apparently were fine to give Cloud to Sakurai, surprised that he didn't want more recent characters, Nomura even think he did a better job than he could do to represent him, he also said that at some point he was just accepting what Sakurai was doing because he was that great. They got a Stages with multiple ICONICS summons that could represent FF by themselves. Sadly there is musical issues that are too hard to get around, that even Square-Enix themselves have issue to use their OWN music, but they still gave us two of the most iconics...Heck, THE most iconics battle themes in all JRPG. They accepted to give that "obscure" characters but fan favorite a Mii-Costume as a gifts.
For the next game they renewed the deal but couldn't do much more, instead deciding to work on a DLC characters."


See? Both sentence tells the same stories, but one push whatever narative you want. The real deal being that Square-Enix is like every company, the only issues is that they keep ****ing themselves with IP and Copyrights.

Yeah no I concede this makes sense lol

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

The lack of FF ATs, Spirits, and only two tracks makes me wonder why they ever bothered picking Cloud in the first place if they knew SE was gonna picky.

Not that his inclusion is good but it raises a question of why go through the trouble.

Because "Everyone is Here..."

They could have easily not brought back Pichu or Young Link, but for completion, they decided to... Same goes for Cloud

 

[Deleted member]

Hmm...Actually, now that I think about it, I grew up with KH, so Sora would make me "Jump out of my chair and scream" levels of hype.

However, BD is a cool series with neat designs and would be a huge surprise. I don't know which one I support most, lol.

 

[Luigi The President]

Can we all agree though that if Capcom gets a DLC rep it should and needs to be Monster Hunter.

Give me more classic modes with a Rathalos boss fight.

MORE.

We absolutely cannot do not disrespect Phoenix Wright like this

 

[Idon]

Can we all agree though that if Capcom gets a DLC rep it should and needs to be Monster Hunter.

Give me more classic modes with a Rathalos boss fight.

MORE.

Honestly, it's a tie between him and Dante from Devil May Cry for me.

 

[Deleted member]

I would argue that they're two different things all together, Just because one person did a thing don't mean they'd followed suit.

I’m just explaining why people thought that.

 

[Curious Villager]

Now, I know Piranha Plant was a great WTF character, but imagine how great it would've been If it was the water from Fluidity. NO ONE would know who it is.

Except me and maybe a few others lol.

I liked that game, I wouldn't mind him.
I believe he had a trophy in Smash 3DS so I think he has a good chance of being a spirit at least.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Hmm...Actually, now that I think about it, I grew up with KH Sora would make me "Jump out of my chair and scream" levels of hype.

However, BD is a cool series with neat designs and would be a huge surprise. I don't know which one I support most, lol.

Neat designs and music like this:

 

[J0eyboi]

I-Is there a problem with that I haven't played Bravely Default :"(

There's a problem with the fact that you haven't played Bravely Default. Hopefully it'll get a Switch rerelease so you can remedy that.

WELL WHO AM I SUPPOSED TO STAN AS THE "well if there's GOTTA be a Bravely rep" CHARACTER!! AAAA

Not Magnolia. Anyone else is fine by me.

 

[Dee Dude]

Because "Everyone is Here..."

They could have easily not brought back Pichu or Young Link, but for completion, they decided to... Same goes for Cloud

I meant during Smash 4...

 

[alemerltoucanet]

The lack of FF ATs, Spirits, and only two tracks makes me wonder why they ever bothered picking Cloud in the first place if they knew SE was gonna be strict.

Not that his inclusion isn’t good but it raises a question of why go through the trouble.

I honestly think it was just to start out Square and Nintendo's relationship in terms of Smash with a character everyone can recognize. Sakurai did also note a lot of people wanted him as well, so there is that.

 

[Deleted member]

Can we all agree though that if Capcom gets a DLC rep it should and needs to be Monster Hunter.

Give me more classic modes with a Rathalos boss fight.

MORE.

Leon/Jill though.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Consider how there's no Squenix AT's, literally 2 Squenix music tracks, no Squenix Spirits-I don't think they /are/ overselling it.

Tmk the tracks aren't really in SE's full control. Where are we getting no spirits from though? Do we have a full list at this point?
People are taking having a small amount of tracks as "OMG SE IS SO GREEDY AND HARD TO WORK WITH" when it could simply be out of their control or Sakurai didn't try for anything more than that or even that tracks are planned to be added with DLC. We very well might just be making mountains out of molehills

 

[DarthEnderX]

All DLC sells.

Except Mii costumes.

Hey!

I bought the business suit pack from 4.

Made my Miis look like Turks.