Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Kirby Dragons]

Bonkers and Bugzzy >>>>>>>>> Marx

If any of you might be interested in an active poll made by our own very dormant @GiantBreadbug, I thought I'd bring it here!
https://goo.gl/forms/zNbeHgIIG56ocYVk2

Sound off if you'd like!

...I'm pretty sure somebody messed up here.

 

[Chandeelure]

What does that have to do with anything?

Neither does Marx.

They could work around it either way.

Or Gooey.

Kirby characters are so simple.

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

What does that have to do with anything?

Neither does Marx.

They could work around it either way.

1. You cannot do much without arms! How does he grab?

2. Marx gained wings! It counts!

 

[Chandeelure]

View attachment 140485...I'm pretty sure somebody messed up here.

Jump Up, Super PK Starstorm

 

[Jubileus57]

Or Gooey.

Kirby characters are so simple.

Simple yet effective.

And if Star Allies is to be believe, their designers excel at giving them viable movesets.

 

[Senselessbreak]

My boy is back

Its been too long.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

It's actually interesting how so few modern kirby characters have arms and legs.

Anyway, my main want from a kirby character is still Bandana Dee. Marx while cool can't really usurp Bandana Dee to me. He would be cool after Bandana Dee was added but not before.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

1. You cannot do much without arms! How does he grab?

2. Marx gained wings! It counts!

He could use telekinesis for his grab, and he has a sword for melee attacks, he would work fine.

 

[Miifighters4Smash5]

I've been flip-flopping between wanting Porky, or Ninten. I'd prefer if Ninten was added so the trio of protagonists for Mother could be completed, but he'd be such a Ness clone.

Oh yeah; How about having a Scarf & Pacman-shaped Eyes[aka Eyes like the ones found HERE: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PieEyed]; or PK Beam as his Neutral Special(PK Beam is A Move EXCLUSIVE to Earthbound Beginnings), or 4th-D Slip as his Down-B[The ONLY Viable Move he ACTUALLY Had in the game] and could work as BOTH A Counter, and as a Way to Move Horizontally, and even Summon the Tank from Earthbound beginnings to mow down the enemies akin to the Blue Falcon Final Smash and Fire away, while It's being Piloted by Lloyd(the White Haired boy with Glasses and one of Ninten's Friends, alongside Anna & Teddy); that would be Different from Ness & Lucas!!

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

He could use telekinesis for his grab, and he has a sword for melee attacks, he would work fine.

Did it ever say he could use telekinesis?

If anything, that sword could be apart of its body.

 

[Miifighters4Smash5]

The winner was Snake, who I honestly should have had in the first MGS poll to begin with. It seems nobody wants Volgin at a all, though some would find Quiet or Vamp cool.

Next will be the last MGS poll, this time focusing on Raiden's only spinoff since he's met some new friends and foes. Your choices are Jetstream Sam, Senator Armstrong, Bladewolf, and Sundowner.

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I Want Senator Armstrong; I'd want to see how he & his Nanomachines(which are Black & Hardens his Body akin to Armament Haki from One Piece)

 

[GaroMaster]

You know, it would be weird to see Kirby not get a new character in Smash 5 given that he has had so many games since Smash 4's release. I wouldn't mind if no Kirby character was added (Kirby, Dedede, and MK are just fine), but Bandana Dee wouldn't be a bad choice.
I'm saying this as somebody who has only played Kirby Air Ride, so I'm not really familiar with the series.

 

[Deleted member]

Bonkers and Bugzzy >>>>>>>>> Marx

I think you made a typo there.
Because Marx is my boy and would be nice to see in Smash Bros.
It seems like Kirby Star Allies revived Marx.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Did it ever say he could use telekinesis?

If anything, that sword could be apart of its body.

Watch his fight in Planet Robobot. It's clearly not a part of his body. It would be pretty stupid if it was.

 

[Chandeelure]

My boy is back

Its been too long.

This mod is for real Wolf fans.

You literally have to kill Fox to have it.

 

[Starcutter]

I was going to make Dark Matter Alt colors, but I didn't realize there's no good 3D renders of him, despite his appearance in Planet Robobot.

 

[Senselessbreak]

This mod is for real Wolf fans.

You literally have to kill Fox to have it.

You can split the costumes and keep fox. Works great. In order for him to have his own spot on screen you'd need to replace him, although it is possible to replace Giga Bowser and Warioman and give him his own spot but more testing is still being done.

I love that the modding community has made this game feel complete finally.

Fully playable Wolf, Waluigi, Shadow and Chrom. (Also Goku)
Dry Bowser Skin
Daisy Skin
Impa Skin
All the Sonics skins
And a bunch of other skins that have revived the game for me and my buddies.

 

[Cosmic77]

You know, it would be weird to see Kirby not get a new character in Smash 5 given that he has had so many games since Smash 4's release. I wouldn't mind if no Kirby character was added (Kirby, Dedede, and MK are just fine), but Bandana Dee wouldn't be a bad choice.
I'm saying this as somebody who has only played Kirby Air Ride, so I'm not really familiar with the series.

It wouldn't have been weird to have gotten Bandana Dee back in Smash 4, especially since Return to Dreamland was the latest Kirby game during early development.

Even though I desperately want to see another Kirby character, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up getting nothing again. I'm already preparing myself for the worst possible scenario: no newcomers, no modern Kirby stages, and Epic Yarn is, once again, completely cast aside like it's some taboo game that never happened.

 

[Starcutter]

I decided to take the Robobot model of Dark Matter and try to render it. If I get a good one and finish color alts I'll post it here, otherwise I just won't lol

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

Watch his fight in Planet Robobot. It's clearly not a part of his body. It would be pretty stupid if it was.

Okay. Why does he have a sword in the first place?

What is that sword made of?

That's not the real Dark Matter.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

My boy is back

Its been too long.

HAOOOWA!

 

[PeridotGX]

While neither have that great of odds, Marx will probably happen first. Sakurai has bias for his Kirby games, with particular love for Super Star. Also, Marx has a lot more moveset potential, compared to Dark Matter, who's a generic swordweilder. Also, Marx actually has more appearances then Dark Matter (Swordsman, as a floating eye wouldn't work).

Marx: Super Star (Final Boss), Ultra (New additional role as secret boss), Star Allies (PLAYABLE)

DMS: KDL2 (Final Boss), Robobot (Boss Battle only made to create nostalgia)

 

[True Blue Warrior]

My boy is back

Its been too long.

Nice.

 

[CBO0tz]

Oh yeah; How about having a Scarf & Pacman-shaped Eyes[aka Eyes like the ones found HERE: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PieEyed]; or PK Beam as his Neutral Special(PK Beam is A Move EXCLUSIVE to Earthbound Beginnings), or 4th-D Slip as his Down-B[The ONLY Viable Move he ACTUALLY Had in the game] and could work as BOTH A Counter, and as a Way to Move Horizontally, and even Summon the Tank from Earthbound beginnings to mow down the enemies akin to the Blue Falcon Final Smash and Fire away, while It's being Piloted by Lloyd(the White Haired boy with Glasses and one of Ninten's Friends, alongside Anna & Teddy); that would be Different from Ness & Lucas!!

Meh. I've worked out my own idea for what his moveset would be.

Neutral B: Quick Up (Uses a similar effect to Lucas in PM, puts a glowing effect on his hands and feet)

Forward B: Hypnosis (Uses PK Fire animations, but works like Jigglypuff's Singing, but only in a certain range in front of him like Mewtwo's Disable. When used in mid-air it causes enemies to become helpless.)

Down B: PSI Shield (Can use either Ness or Lucas' PSI Magnet animations, but has to be charged, and gives him a shield about the size of Ness' PSI Magnet. Enemies can run through it and hit Ninten inside, but it's effectively an anti-projectile shield. Breaks three times quicker than the normal shield when taking damage.)

Up B: 4th-D Slip (Uses the boys' PK Thunder animations, but creates a small portal above him where he gets sucked in. The player can control what direction he comes shooting out the other end, similar to Zelda's teleport.)

Final Smash: PK Beam. Ninten actually can't use any offensive PSI moves, but this would basically be based off the old Mother commercial where Ana joins him to help cast it. I imagine it would be similar to Samus' Omega Laser, or Lucario's Aura Beam.

EDIT: Actually, fixing one move.

 

[Morbi]

While neither have that great of odds, Marx will probably happen first. Sakurai has bias for his Kirby games, with particular love for Super Star. Also, Marx has a lot more moveset potential, compared to Dark Matter, who's a generic swordweilder. Also, Marx actually has more appearances then Dark Matter (Swordsman, as a floating eye wouldn't work).

Marx: Super Star (Final Boss), Ultra (New additional role as secret boss), Star Allies (PLAYABLE)

DMS: KDL2 (Final Boss), Robobot (Boss Battle only made to create nostalgia)

I did not even realize that Marx was a Sakurai Kirby character, Sakurai bias is literally the best (or worst) tool any character has; to that end I suppose I was vastly underestimating his chances. I still believe he fits better as an assist trophy, but who knows what Sakurai will decide.

It would be better than Waddle Dee, so I am not complaining.

 

[CBO0tz]

I did not even realize that Marx was a Sakurai Kirby character, Sakurai bias is literally the best (or worst) tool any character has; to that end I suppose I was vastly underestimating his chances. I still believe he fits better as an assist trophy, but who knows what Sakurai will decide.

It would be better than Waddle Dee, so I am not complaining.

I just looked up Marx, and was surprised to find out he's even less threatening looking than Dedede. lol

 

[-crump-]

I don’t really have beef with Bandana Dee, but I would honestly rather see any of the other possible Kirby contenders before him (Marx, Gooey, Rick+Animal Buddies, Dark Matter). I know he’s his own character, but compared to his opposition he just seems so generic.

...On that note, I would absolutely kill to have a playable Rick in this Smash, working alongside Koo and Kine for some of his moves. I almost bought Star Allies after seeing their trailer.

 

[Hinata]

I don’t really have beef with Bandana Dee, but I would honestly rather see any of the other possible Kirby contenders before him (Marx, Gooey, Rick+Animal Buddies, Dark Matter). I know he’s his own character, but compared to his opposition he just seems so generic.

Bandana Dee isn't generic! Have you *seen* his design?! He's got a bandana! And a spear! That he can stab people with! Who are you to call that generic?
/s

 

[CBO0tz]

I don’t really have beef with Bandana Dee, but I would honestly rather see any of the other possible Kirby contenders before him (Marx, Gooey, Rick+Animal Buddies, Dark Matter). I know he’s his own character, but compared to his opposition he just seems so generic.

...On that note, I would absolutely kill to have a playable Rick in this Smash, working alongside Koo and Kine for some of his moves. I almost bought Star Allies after seeing their trailer.

I'd rather we just get both Bandana Dee AND Marx. Characters who have a certain status in the series should be playable first. Bandana Dee is an iconic playable character, and Marx is one of the most reputable (apparently) archenemies of Kirby, next to Dedede.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

I don’t really have beef with Bandana Dee, but I would honestly rather see any of the other possible Kirby contenders before him (Marx, Gooey, Rick+Animal Buddies, Dark Matter). I know he’s his own character, but compared to his opposition he just seems so generic.

...On that note, I would absolutely kill to have a playable Rick in this Smash, working alongside Koo and Kine for some of his moves. I almost bought Star Allies after seeing their trailer.

Uhm...
I will say that I respect your opinion, but on that occasion I wish to pay mine, and say that I 100% disagree with you.

Bandana Waddle Dee is the 4th member of the Kirby Crew, KC, Kirby Crew.
And, over the years he has been developed a lot as a character, making him more advanced, and more important than all the ones you listed. I would not mind any of them, but Bandana Waddle Dee, he comes first.

 

[Lyndis_]

I'd rather we just get both Bandana Dee AND Marx. Characters who have a certain status in the series should be playable first. Bandana Dee is an iconic playable character, and Marx is one of the most reputable (apparently) archenemies of Kirby, next to Dedede.

I don't know if I agree with that about Marx.

I was hearing way more about Dark Matter up until the Kirby Star Allies DLC, and Marx has only appeared in three games (one of those appearances in a pinball side mode) including the Kirby Star Allies DLC... making his only canon appearance Super Star/Super Star Ultra.

I wouldn't complain about Marx, I don't really play enough Kirby games to care much anyways but he's absolutely one of those things that's come into popularity from a recent appearance that may have been too late for Smash Switch's base roster (such as Solaire and Crash Bandicoot.)

I'd definitely like to see him along Bandana Dee though, just for the fact that he's so unique in both design, abilities and would be the first "true" Kirby villain to get in.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Worth noting that a character Bandanna Waddle Dee has a very easily translatable moveset, due to the nature of Kirby games giving major playable characters their own movesets. In fact I would go out of my way and say that with a bit of tweaking, a lot of Kirby characters in Kirby: Star Allies alone can have a moveset that would feel natural in a setting like Super Smash Bros.

Even if ignoring that, if the developers still felt like Bandanna Waddle Dee was too restricting, they could also take inspiration from the Waddle Dee species as a whole. For example aside from the recurring Spear variant, they could also take inspiration from the recurring Parasol variant, which similar to the Spear ability also has it's own assortment of moves, like the signature Circus Throw attack.

 

[-crump-]

Uhm...
I will say that I respect your opinion, but on that occasion I wish to pay mine, and say that I 100% disagree with you.

Bandana Waddle Dee is the 4th member of the Kirby Crew, KC, Kirby Crew.
And, over the years he has been developed a lot as a character, making him more advanced, and more important than all the ones you listed. I would not mind any of them, but Bandana Waddle Dee, he comes first.

I respect your opinion as well. I agree with you in the fact that Bandana Dee is the closest thing to a fourth main character to the series, and if we get a new Kirby rep, I’m certain it would be him.

For me, personally, I just think he’s pretty lackluster. Could you perhaps explain what you mean by “developed a lot as a character”, because from what I know of him, his fighting style is a copy-paste of Spear Kirby with maybe a parasol thrown in, and he doesn’t have much of a personality besides “loyal to Dedede”. And yeah, Kirby characters in general aren’t the most profound in the world, but Bandana Dee looks like a standard issue mook with a fresh new hat.

Like I said; I don’t have huge beef with Bandana Dee, and I’m not really dreading his inclusion. If I had my choice, though, I would much rather see the Animal Buddies, or Marx, or even Dark Matter, because they would all come off as really unique and different.
(plus, Marx and DM are true villains, and (as I ranted yesterday) I really think we need more of those in Smash)

 

[Deleted member]

Bandana Waddle Dee will always be that random nobody that just as randomly became a somebody for no true reason to me.

I don't have any real issue with him, but he's just....why is he even a big deal now to begin with.....?

 

[Radical Bones]

Bandana Waddle Dee will always be that random nobody that just as randomly became a somebody for no true reason to me.

I don't have any real issue with him, but he's just....why is he even a big deal now to begin with.....?

Usually this happens because people start thinking 'X series deserves a new rep' and then they look at the cast of characters and somehow decide who is most likely based on which character has been in the most games.

Also in regards to -crump- 's point - Kirby might not be known for really strong characterisations but I think at least the three characters we have in Smash do have some personality compared to the 'standard helper' vibe Bandana gives out.

 

[NintenRob]

Bandana Waddle Dee will always be that random nobody that just as randomly became a somebody for no true reason to me.

I don't have any real issue with him, but he's just....why is he even a big deal now to begin with.....?

Being a Waddle Dee helps. They're actually really popular in Japan and receive a lot of a Merchandise. It makes sense they wanted to have one stand out from the rest. And when it came to making a four player game. Instead of using a generic Waddle Dee like Mario would do with Toad, they decided to use a character to make him stand out, he was very popular as a playable character and from there Bandana Dee went on to become a staple fourth member.

Someone else could probably word it better but I thinks that's the basic gist of it.

 

[Salcan]

I respect your opinion as well. I agree with you in the fact that Bandana Dee is the closest thing to a fourth main character to the series, and if we get a new Kirby rep, I’m certain it would be him.

For me, personally, I just think he’s pretty lackluster. Could you perhaps explain what you mean by “developed a lot as a character”, because from what I know of him, his fighting style is a copy-paste of Spear Kirby with maybe a parasol thrown in, and he doesn’t have much of a personality besides “loyal to Dedede”. And yeah, Kirby characters in general aren’t the most profound in the world, but Bandana Dee looks like a standard issue mook with a fresh new hat.

Like I said; I don’t have huge beef with Bandana Dee, and I’m not really dreading his inclusion. If I had my choice, though, I would much rather see the Animal Buddies, or Marx, or even Dark Matter, because they would all come off as really unique and different.
(plus, Marx and DM are true villains, and (as I ranted yesterday) I really think we need more of those in Smash)

Bandana Waddle Dee will always be that random nobody that just as randomly became a somebody for no true reason to me.

I don't have any real issue with him, but he's just....why is he even a big deal now to begin with.....?

Bandana Waddle Dee, since Return to Dream Land, has essentially become the fourth main character. (His first appearance was in Super Star Ultra as a supporting character in Revenge of the King) We're talking playable in Return, assistant in Triple Deluxe, Planet Robobot, and Team Kirby Clash Deluxe, the only playable character besides Elline in Rainbow Curse, and Kirby's teammate in Battle Royale. Oh, and playable in Star Allies of course. Of course he is a possibility for Smash.

As for personality, play Battle Royale. He's always trying his best and he's scared he's holding Kirby back. At the same time, he's determined to stand by his friends no matter what the odds of winning are. (Also, the series should definitely capitalize on the fact he's loyal to Dedede but still friends with Kirby. How does he work out that conflict?)

 

[Deleted member]

Usually this happens because people start thinking 'X series deserves a new rep' and then they look at the cast of characters and somehow decide who is most likely based on which character has been in the most games.

Also in regards to -crump- 's point - Kirby might not be known for really strong characterisations but I think at least the three characters we have in Smash do have some personality compared to the 'standard helper' vibe Bandana gives out.

I don't even mean based on Smash.

I mean in the Kirby series in general.

He used to literally just be a one-off opponent in a minor sub-game.
Then he becomes a minor NPC for a new major sub-game within the game's remake, makes a cameo in a sub-game for another title, then gets added as the 4th playable character in another game somehow?
Like, they didn't have any ideas on who to add after Dedede and Meta Knight so they just go "hey, this random NPC Waddle Dee with a bandana? Let's just give him a spear and make him the last character."

And ever since then, he's suddenly everywhere and is considered the next big character after Dedede and Meta Knight.
Like what the hell happened here?

 

[Salcan]

I don't even mean based on Smash.

I mean in the Kirby series in general.

He used to literally just be a one-off opponent in a minor sub-game.
Then he becomes a minor NPC for a new major sub-game within the game's remake, makes a cameo in a sub-game for another title, then gets added as the 4th playable character in another game somehow?
Like, they didn't have any ideas on who to add after Dedede and Meta Knight so they just go "hey, this random NPC Waddle Dee with a bandana? Let's just give him a spear and make him the last character."

And ever since then, he's suddenly everywhere and is considered the next big character after Dedede and Meta Knight.
Like what the hell happened here?

Capitalizing on the popularity of Waddle Dees, likely. Also, easy to add to Return as a Spear clone. Then they needed a assistant for Triple Deluxe and it went from there.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

We all know Bandana Waddle Dee is secretly Tabuu.