Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Ghirahilda]

I hope we get Daisy and Waluigi as a pair just to make people salty

Actually, this should be a big surprise. Both are Mario Spin-Offs reps

Curiosity: On some Mario Party games, teaming them both makes the team name "Awkward Date"

 

[DraginHikari]

How likely do you personally think Rex is of getting the Greninja treatment in terms of having a Xenoblade slot reserved for him?

I think part of the criticism, at least in terms of Smash, is that, for some people, Rex wouldn't seem or feel different enough from Shulk. At least that's what I'm guessing (I could be completely off-base).

I won't make any assumption in that regards to that as I try to avoid doing that. Given how often characters seem to be introduced late into development I would surprised if the roster was left with 'vacant spots' during the earlier part of development for those kind of situations. Now what's the likelihood of Rex being one of these kind of characters? I don't know. We know few things frankly.

As far as Shulk and Rex being similar, eh... outside of them both using larger swords that's about all they have in common. Regardless of being a sequel both games have very different battle systems. Shulk and Rex don't use their weapons in the same manner either.

Dedede is essentially to Kirby what Bowser would be to Mario if Bowser would just chill for a damn second. Bowser's not inherently evil and doesn't believe himself to be evil but he keeps doing things that in Mario's eyes are ''Dude chill. This is evil."

Dedede is essentially Bowser if Bowser would just get the memo from being invited to all the sports games and calm the **** down. Neither have done inherently evil things in their own story they're just doing what they think is right, the only difference is Dedede has said ''You know what Kirby? I should chill."

It's more that Dedede is kind of just a selfish greedy jerk then a plotting villian. It probably also the fact that in general he's portrayed as kind of lazy and would prefer to eat all day then kidnap princesses. His rivalry with Kirby seems to stem more from his injured pride more then anything else. Though as hinata2000100 put it:

I would also like to point out that a lot of King Dedede's stints as "antagonist" can be chalked up to him being possessed by the villain of the week.

Frankly, what keeps Dedede from being a Bowser is the fact that Dream Land seems to attract every dark evil force in the entire universe. Dedede probably spends more time rebuilding his castle every other game then actually causing any mischief.

 

[Polan]

But is it big enough outside of Japan, I wonder, enough to overcome the hurdle that stopped Takamaru? And who from it would they choose? I admit I'm only somewhat familiar with the series, but Dragon Quest doesn't seem to have a standout protagonist in the vein of Cloud or Terra, and the Slimes would have issues with moveset potential...

The DQ series is no Final Fantasy but it still has a dedicated fanbase on the West. Nintendo and Squeenix also continue to release and localize DQ games, despite the low sales. Meanwhile Murasame Castle was basically MIA in the West for decades outside of spinoffs and cameos so I don't think they are comparable.

Not really. Let's remember that Slimes have potential for tons of moves due to the series itself having tons of spells they can cast, even if it's mostly in spin-off material.

Here's a moveset I made some time ago. Not balanced that much, but shows what can potentially be done;

Spoiler: Slime Moveset

Slime
* Jump: 3/5
* Speed: 2/5
* Power: 4/5
* Colors: Red, Blue, Brown/Yellow(Rock Slime), Silver(Metal Slime), Black(Metal Slime)

* A: Slime Slap
* AA: Reverse Slime Slap
* AAA: Double Slime Slap
* Forward A: Slime Slice(Horizontal)
* Up A: Slime Whip
* Down A: LegSweep
* Smash A: Axeing for it (Diagonal Axe strike)
* Smash Up A: Firebal (Very similar to Samus' Smash Up A, except they come out all at once, more like an explosion)
* Smash Down A: Icebolt (A small line of cold goes on the floor. Anyone it hits might be frozen, but it makes the floor slippery otherwise)
* Air A: Slimy Spikes(Basically what it says. Emits a bunch of spikes and falls. Like a Gordo without shooting them off)
* Air Forward A: Infermos (A blast of air goes forward)
* Air Up A: Slime Whip redux
* Air Down A: Metal Slime (Drops downwards similar to Kirby's Down B)
* B: Big Bang (Chargeable: Does explosive damage. Very weak at first.)
* Forward B: Cut (Flashes forward doing a powerful slashing attack. This is based upon the various "Cut" moves)
* Up B: Sandstorn (Flies into the air, releasing sand that makes it hard for him to be hit.)
* Down B: Bounce (Reflects elemental attacks against the enemy. Does not affect non-ones.)
* Final Smash: Call (Calls down every possible Slime to attack the enemies.)
* Z: Slime Trap (Grabs the opponent with sticky tentacles)
* Z A: Slimey Slap
* Z Forward: Lushlick (Sends them forward, paralyzed for 4 seconds.)
* Z Up: Fireslash (Slashes them with pure fire, sending them upwards.)
* Z Down: Iceslash (You go up in the air a little, slashing them with coldness, possibly freezing them)
* Z Back: Windbeast (Blasts them backwards with a force of Air)

Other abilities: Glide (Grows wings and glides while in the air.)

> no Schleiman Tank Final Smash

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[vaanrose]

But is it big enough outside of Japan, I wonder, enough to overcome the hurdle that stopped Takamaru? And who from it would they choose? I admit I'm only somewhat familiar with the series, but Dragon Quest doesn't seem to have a standout protagonist in the vein of Cloud or Terra, and the Slimes would have issues with moveset potential...

It's much bigger than Murasame Castle, lol. All the major titles have been localized going all the way back to the original on NES (though the first few titles had to change the name due to a pen and paper rpg from the 80s also being called Dragon Quest). The games don't break records over here but they sell well enough to keep sending them over. Plus it's up to 11 mainline games and dozens of spin-offs, including previous crossovers with Nintendo.

Dragon Quest III is basically comparable to Final Fantasy VII, both in its standing among fans of the franchise and it's impact on the genre itself. The protagonist from III, Erdrick, while not quite the household name Cloud is, has an iconic armor and sword design that reappears several times throughout the franchise, and is more or less synonymous with "Dragon Quest Hero." After Square merged with Enix, the armor and sword have crossed over into a couple Final Fantasy games as easter eggs, and he's even referenced in Zelda II, where you can find a tombstone in Saria town that says "The hero Erdrick sleeps here." Just recently, the sword was prominently displayed in the marketing for Dragon Quest XI. If anybody is the "face" of the franchise, it's him.

 

[Opossum]

This.

Bowser is not a totally bad man. He travelled the entire globe to put together the perfect wedding for Peach. He got the single best cake, the single best ring, the single best flowers, and everything else, and to top it all of set it in a GORGEOUS chapel on the moon. If you’re going to tell me that Mario would do that for Peach and wouldn’t just have a wedding at the castle you’re out of your mind.

The only problem is that Bowser kidnapped her to make it happen. He should’ve just proposed and shown her everything he did.

THEN AGAIN THE MAN DIDN’T INVITE HIS OWN DAMN SON TO THE WEDDING

I've been to more than a few weddings. I don't even care if it's your own kid, don't bring them to the wedding. Half the time they just end up making it a worse time for the other guests.

Source: watching firsthand as one kid ran headlong into a glass door, shattering it and needing to go to the hospital because the parents weren't watching them.

But anyway, enough about that.

Have you ever guys casually talked with your friends about what characters could be in Smash?

When i was in High School back in 2015 (when the Ballot was still open) i actually once tried to persuade a former friend of mine (he moved to another school the following year) to vote for K.Rool in the Ballot (i actually mentioned this way back in the K.Rool for SSB4 thread) and he mentioned characters like Steve from Sunset Riders (he couldn't remember the name of the game but that was the game he clearly meant) and Bayonetta (yeah you can guess how that went)

I found it interesing that he actually seemed familiar with Isaac from Golden Sun.

There was also this other time i talked about this in 2016 with fellow students in my classroom, and one of them mentioned Zero from Mega Man (there were other characters too, but i can't remember them).

Smash 4 came out right after I finished high school, so senior year I had a few discussions with friends over who they'd want. The Chosen Undead was wanted by like half my friend group, and that was long before Dark Souls came to Nintendo consoles.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

> no Schleiman Tank Final Smash

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I made this without even knowing of that particular spin-off series, so... yeah.

I only played the older Dragon Quest games and the Monster spin-offs. It's fully based upon that with the whole "slash" attacks from the Monster spin-offs explaining the various whip moves.

Also, Slime Call is actually extremely notable for the series due to how often monsters can call out other ones. Heck, I don't even know how the tank works, so...

 

[Deleted member]

Have you ever guys casually talked with your friends about what characters could be in Smash?

When i was in High School back in 2015 (when the Ballot was still open) i actually once tried to persuade a former friend of mine (he moved to another school the following year) to vote for K.Rool in the Ballot (i actually mentioned this way back in the K.Rool for SSB4 thread) and he mentioned characters like Steve from Sunset Riders (he couldn't remember the name of the game but that was the game he clearly meant) and Bayonetta (yeah you can guess how that went)

I found it interesing that he actually seemed familiar with Isaac from Golden Sun.

There was also this other time i talked about this in 2016 with fellow students in my classroom, and one of them mentioned Zero from Mega Man (there were other characters too, but i can't remember them).

I have a friend who's brought up Leon Kennedy a few times.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Just open up the definition to “villains, rivals, and antagonists”. That’s a pretty wide spectrum, and guys like Wario/Dedede/Wolf fit nicely in that.

Truth is, as someone mentioned before, outside of Metroid, Zelda, and (oddly enough) Kirby, Nintendo’s big franchises don’t exactly have a lot of ruthless, murderous, purely evil villains. So a little leeway in what we consider a villain might help.

 

[SuperMii3D]

I hope we get Daisy and Waluigi as a pair just to make people salty

Actually, this should be a big surprise. Both are Mario Spin-Offs reps

Curiosity: On some Mario Party games, teaming them both makes the team name "Awkward Date"

Fun fact, Daisy actually really dislikes Waluigi.

 

[Deleted member]

While the video may be Spaniard, the site itself is visited mostly by Latin American countries, or at least I believe so. I might be biased since I am also from Latin America and I see the site used a bunch on casual communities from neighboring countries. It's from Nintenderos if you know the site.

It's possible that Latin American people could visit that website frequently (since i don't know about any popular Latinamerican Nintendo sites), but my main issue is that you called it "a Latin American site":

Here's a polling done by a popular Latin American Nintendo site.

..........even though it's clearly from Spain, and just because people of LATAM visit the site doesn't change that fact, it's like saying a North American website is British because a lot of Biritsh people visit it.

I know it's from Spain, because of the way it's written. Here's an article that proves my point.

Notice the way he speaks here:

Hace unos meses compartimos con vosotros unas primeras impresiones de Kirby Star Allies para Nintendo Switch

Only spainards use "vosotros". In Latin American countries, we say "ustedes" (which doesn't have a direct english equivalent, the closest thing beign "you guys") . This is a dead giveaway that it's a spainard site and not a Latam one.

That is not the only article there either, here's another one.

Como muchos de vosotros sabréis, Dragon Marked for Death se anunció para Switch en agosto de 2017

Another example of spanish-speaking differences between Spainards and Latin Americans.

Spainards say "sabriés", while Latin American say "sabran" or "saben" (which translates to "you know"). The website is clarly from spain and the articles are proof of it.

Don't call it a Latin American site when it's clearly a Spainard Website. Whoever visits it doesn't reflect the country the website originates from, it's the people that funded, created and run the website that reflect where the website originates from.

Sorry if i get too off-topic. Let's talk about something else.

Hey guys i want Simon Belmont in Smash in case my avatar and signature didn't give it away already, and he is my most wanted character in Smash (even above K.Rool and Waluigi!) and i hope he looks more like his barbaric appereance instead of his chronicles one or whatever the hell that Judgement abomination was supposed to be.

He could have diagonal aerials and diagonal Smash attacks, based on his abilities in Super Castlevania 4 where he could whip at any direction. It would be a simple but unique idea, and it would be faithful to his games of origin.

 

[-crump-]

This.

Bowser is not a totally bad man. He travelled the entire globe to put together the perfect wedding for Peach. He got the single best cake, the single best ring, the single best flowers, and everything else, and to top it all of set it in a GORGEOUS chapel on the moon. If you’re going to tell me that Mario would do that for Peach and wouldn’t just have a wedding at the castle you’re out of your mind.

The only problem is that Bowser kidnapped her to make it happen. He should’ve just proposed and shown her everything he did.

I mean, there's also the fact that he's already been kidnapping Peach and sending out his minions to conquer **** every other Tuesday.

I get why Bowser is seen as "not a bad guy" to a lot of people, and in a few games I could see him being Dedede-esque, but a lot of the time (Galaxy 1 and 2, SM3DW, the newer Mario and Luigi and Paper Mario games, even in the 2D Marios) he's a self-serving, power-lusting, grade-A jerkass that Mario has to shut down.

Dooon't get me wrong, I love Bowser, but I don't totally buy into the "He's just awkward and in love" thing I've been seeing pop up for a while now. He's a villain.

 

[Shadow Novus]

I hope we get Daisy and Waluigi as a pair just to make people salty

Actually, this should be a big surprise. Both are Mario Spin-Offs reps

Curiosity: On some Mario Party games, teaming them both makes the team name "Awkward Date"

Meh, Waluigi can have her. We can always pair Luigi with Rosalina



But to keep this more on thread, Rosalina is pretty much guaranteed right? I enjoyed playing as her in Smash 4

 

[Chiroz]

It's much bigger than Murasame Castle, lol. All the major titles have been localized going all the way back to the original on NES (though the first few titles had to change the name due to a pen and paper rpg from the 80s also being called Dragon Quest). The games don't break records over here but they sell well enough to keep sending them over. Plus it's up to 11 mainline games and dozens of spin-offs, including previous crossovers with Nintendo.

Dragon Quest III is basically comparable to Final Fantasy VII, both in its standing among fans of the franchise and it's impact on the genre itself. The protagonist from III, Erdrick, while not quite the household name Cloud is, has an iconic armor and sword design that reappears several times throughout the franchise, and is more or less synonymous with "Dragon Quest Hero." After Square merged with Enix, the armor and sword have crossed over into a couple Final Fantasy games as easter eggs, and he's even referenced in Zelda II, where you can find a tombstone in Saria town that says "The hero Erdrick sleeps here." Just recently, the sword was prominently displayed in the marketing for Dragon Quest XI. If anybody is the "face" of the franchise, it's him.

Dude, whats up. It's been a long time since I've talked to you.

 

[Danpal65]

Meh, Waluigi can have her. We can always pair Luigi with Rosalina



But to keep this more on thread, Rosalina is pretty much guaranteed right? I enjoyed playing as her in Smash 4

Well, if you wanted to cite Game Theory as being credible (I know some people hate MatPat), it miiiiight be possible that Rosalina is Luigi's daughter so......

But, yeah. I totally expect Rosalina to return in this Smash game. I know it kinda goes back into the dreaded argument of cuts (dun dun DUUUUUN!), but I would expect most characters form Sm4sh to return. She was certainly a unique take on a character and had a cool mechanic.

 

[Polan]

I made this without even knowing of that particular spin-off series, so... yeah.

I only played the older Dragon Quest games and the Monster spin-offs. It's fully based upon that with the whole "slash" attacks from the Monster spin-offs explaining the various whip moves.

Also, Slime Call is actually extremely notable for the series due to how often monsters can call out other ones. Heck, I don't even know how the tank works, so...

Slime Call + Slime Stack would work better as a Down B. The Slime would be able to call two other slimes who would then stack giving it a bit more durability and power. If it takes too much damage though, the other slimes would eventually fly off. At least that's how I would do it. As for how the the Schleiman tank would work, once you get the Smash Ball, the slime would fly off and jump into the tank (which would be somewhere on the side of the stage). Then it would start pelting the stage with all the crazy ammo that you get in Rocket Slime before finally shooting the slime itself. Maybe some of the other crewmembers could make a cameo as ammo.

 

[vaanrose]

Dude, whats up. It's been a long time since I've talked to you.

You know, still working toward the dream in LA and still obsessing over how Dixie Kong should've been in Smash 4.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Slime Call + Slime Stack would work better as a Down B. The Slime would be able to call two other slimes who would then stack giving it a bit more durability and power. If it takes too much damage though, the other slimes would eventually fly off. At least that's how I would do it. As for how the the Schleiman tank would work, once you get the Smash Ball, the slime would fly off and jump into the tank (which would be somewhere on the side of the stage). Then it would start pelting the stage with all the crazy ammo that you get in Rocket Slime before finally shooting the slime itself. Maybe some of the other crewmembers could make a cameo as ammo.

Those are good moves, but doesn't work with the moveset style I made; Keep in mind it's designed to be based around Dragon Quest's various spells and attacks. Hence many Dragon Quest Monsters moves(not counting the fact that the ability to have Monsters as teammates was part of the regular series). So it's more focused on status effects too. He's more meant to represent how you can play in Dragon Quest, with tons of variable moves.

Though a moveset focused on Rocket Slime himself would be cool to see~

 

[Chiroz]

You know, still working toward the dream in LA and still obsessing over how Dixie Kong should've been in Smash 4.

Get on skype, I'll talk to you through there.

 

[Hinata]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Just a little something posted by Source Gaming. Food for thought.

 

[SuperMii3D]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Just a little something posted by Source Gaming. Food for thought.

Wasn't this information already on the Ballot's website?

 

[PLATINUM7]

I saw someone call King Dedede and Meta Knight villains.

Now they have been antagonists but their good deeds WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overshadow their bad.

Calling them villains is a disservice to the characters.

Idk

Dedede probably protects Dreamland to maintain his self imposed rule. Let's not forget the first game had him steal all of Dreamland's food. Forcefully maintaining power by creating a famine doesn't exactly scream good character.

 

[Hinata]

Wasn't this information already on the Ballot's website?

Only on the Japanese one from what the article linked in the Tweet tells us.

 

[Polan]

Those are good moves, but doesn't work with the moveset style I made; Keep in mind it's designed to be based around Dragon Quest's various spells and attacks. Hence many Dragon Quest Monsters moves(not counting the fact that the ability to have Monsters as teammates was part of the regular series). So it's more focused on status effects too. He's more meant to represent how you can play in Dragon Quest, with tons of variable moves.

Though a moveset focused on Rocket Slime himself would be cool to see~

If the Slime somehow manages to get in, i definitely think it's moveset is going to be part mainline/spinoff. I mean, the stretch attack in Rocket Slime is just begging to be an A move.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

If the Slime somehow manages to get in, i definitely think it's moveset is going to be part mainline/spinoff. I mean, the stretch attack in Rocket Slime is just begging to be an A move.

Mega Man's up tilt is from MvC, not a Mega Man game. I'd say spin-off related moves are definitely on the table, especially for newcomers.

 

[PLATINUM7]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Just a little something posted by Source Gaming. Food for thought.

"TIL"

Push was telling us this back when the ballot was happening.

 

[mario123007]

Sakurai would have some explaining to do if he hypocritically gave Pyra a breast reduction after claiming that shrinking Ridley would no longer make him Ridley. What about Pyra's character, Sakurai? I do not want to pull the sexism card, but...

....
Um, I didn't think about it, nor I want to lol.
Like I said, if Pyra didn't even get into Smash then it will be super awkward (not really lol)

Someone brings up Pyra.

>Pyra can't get in unless she's censored.

>Don't censor Pyra.

>Can we stop talking about Pyra?

>Start talking about something else.

>Someone brings up Pyra.


Lovely cycle we have this season.

All I did was give out my two cents, and say I don't know.... Lol

Japan's age rating for Smash: A which is all ages
Japan's age rating for Xenoblade 2: C, which is 15+
also lmao at "HER BOOBS ARE INTEGRAL TO HER CHARACTER"

You know there is more reason that just that as to why Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is rated C right? There was a proper explaination in this thread by another user.. But need to find it. ....

The best part is that you know it'll only get worse if/when Pyra gets into Smash.

I actually don't think so lol. And that is the point, we aren't even sure if she's going to be in Smash lol.

From my perspective, I'm not denying the chances of Rex & Pyra, all things considered I think they're fairly likely, and I'm not suggesting Pyra need be censored, my dislike just stems from what I believe to be thoroughly poor character designs. And one facet of that may be Pyra's kind of lazy sexualization, because imo it just feels kind of cheap and garish, not that a sexualized character outright shouldn't exist. But again, that's only one facet.

People's opinions differs so yeah, I understand where people are coming from. But at the end of the day, when I am playing Xenoblade Chronicles 2 or Smash, those designs doesn't even matter to me.

Nah if Pyra gets in there will be enough people defending whatever state she’s in to smother much dissent. That’s how that goes.

I will actually don't care and be glad that she's in.

Honestly, does it really matter that much if she gets censored or not?

My gripe was just how some are so confident that she will get censored.... and even in an unnecessary fashion by the way.

https://sourcegaming.info/2015/09/18/cero-and-palutenas-censorship/

I hate the subject as much as you do, but here's the source.

The CERO runs how Smash goes as far as content.

Not trying to deny or anything, but we aren't sure how much Sakurai is involved in this new Smash Bros Switch Game by the way... Remember Sakurai worked hard on Smash 4 and he said he plans to retired if he retains the same work load on his next project. (I saw this on Wikipedia, so... I will check the source to make sure, don't quote me on that yet lol)
So will we have a huge CERO rating lift on this new Smash Bros? We can only wait and see, or... Sakurai gives a new info on this lol.

Also, now's a good a time as any to do a reboot, what with all there being a bloated af roster, tons of missed potential in character movesets (like Ganondorf), and the fact that all the non-returning 3rd party are gonna disappoint most people, and by comparison, this roster will look inferior to 4's.

I have to disagree, characters are one of the biggest selling points when it comes to Smash Bros, having this probably new Smash Bros having inferior roster than the previous one might suck in my opinion.

They're overdesigned. That's the main issue at hand. They have so much going on, the designs don't immediately communicate anything about the characters at a glance. I didn't even catch the scuba motif with Rex until someone pointed it out like months after I'd first seen the designs. Also, there's very little personality conveyed with the character designs, and what little there might be, is also marred by what I would assume is very poor writing riddled with tired tropes.

Like I said, regardless of designs are good or not, they quickly bring a bit irrelevant once I am getting in to the plot and gameplay. If we are talking about TV shows, anime or movies though, then yeah I think designs are pretty important as well.
And yep, there were minor annoying troupes here in there, but later are getting more and more interesting.

Also, on the topic of other modes, anyone remember the Bonuses in Melee?

You mean that the terms you get when completing a certain stage in Story mode and Adventure mode? Yeah I like those.

~blushes~

Me:

Oh, trust me.

Eh, you already post this video like dozen times now, it isn't funny or humorous anymore.... Lol

So basically he is Anakin?

Anakin doesn't like my brother lol. He's called Sand.. Don't ask me why my parents give him that English name.

 

[Deleted member]

Mega Man's up tilt is from MvC, not a Mega Man game.

Actually, it did originate from a Mega Man arcade spin-off.

 

[mario123007]

Actually, it did originate from a Mega Man arcade spin-off.

I thought it was from Ryu lol.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Actually, it did originate from a Mega Man arcade spin-off.

Well here is this from the Smash Bros Direct where they detail all of Mega Man's moves and their origin/inspiration. Maybe I'm still wrong, but this is what I'm referring to when I say that.

 

[Metocles]

Reading Sakurai's 'maximum number of fighters' quote is pretty interesting. I wonder what it translates to in terms of actual number of newcomers. Is it as low as 5? 10? If you really think about it they really outdid themselves with Smash 4.

Something fighting against that logic is the fact that Smash 4 also was two independent games that were developed simultaneously and needed that much time and effort likewise. Unless Smash Switch has Brawl's Subspace Emissary, it's one game this time that seems like it's similar to melee in its development and release timing.

 

[vaanrose]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Just a little something posted by Source Gaming. Food for thought.

Even if it doesn't mean all the fan favorites get in, I think the huge fan response to the ballot probably played a big part in Sakurai getting back to work on a sequel so quickly.

 

[Hinata]

Even if it doesn't mean all the fan favorites get in, I think the huge fan response to the ballot probably played a big part in Sakurai getting back to work on a sequel so quickly.

Oh yeah, that definitely helped. Seeing the passion people had for their favorite characters getting in (barring all the inevitable meme entries) probably made Sakurai see that making another game would be just what the fans needed.

 

[Deleted member]

Well here is this from the Smash Bros Direct where they detail all of Mega Man's moves and their origin/inspiration. Maybe I'm still wrong, but this is what I'm referring to when I say that.
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Yeah, you're still wrong. Smash 4 itself even corrects that by saying it originated from the arcade game Mega Man 2: The Power Fighters, which predated MvC1 by a year or two.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Yeah, you're still wrong. Smash 4 itself even corrects that by saying it originated from the arcade game Mega Man 2: The Power Fighters, which predated MvC1 by year or two.

Yeah I just checked. Thanks, Nintendo I'm sad that I even remembered the specific place I saw this, which was an official source, and it was still incorrect lol.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Maybe that’s where this roster is going. Maybe relevance and reps go out the window, and the newcomers are a bunch of the obscure/previously unrealizable fighters with passionate fans from the ballot. Geno, Ridley, Rool, Isaac... that’s how they drum up excitement for this roster.

Not sure I believe it, but who knows?

 

[N3ON]

Maybe that’s where this roster is going. Maybe relevance and reps go out the window, and the newcomers are a bunch of the obscure/previously unrealizable fighters with passionate fans from the ballot. Geno, Ridley, Rool, Isaac... that’s how they drum up excitement for this roster.

Not sure I believe it, but who knows?

Mmm, business wise that doesn't make too much sense. You'll hook the hardcore, but they generally come along for the ride either way.

Every roster since Melee has been made under the influence of a poll, I don't expect many shake-ups just because the ballot will play its part.

However, maybe two or three ballot-derived additions? Seems plausible to me.

 

[Polan]

I thought that the ballot influencing future games was common knowledge by now. It's why I think that many no-hopers from Smash 4's speculation are now legitimate possibilities.

 

[Hinata]

Mmm, business wise that doesn't make too much sense. You'll hook the hardcore, but they generally come along for the ride either way.

Every roster since Melee has been made under the influence of a poll, I don't expect many shake-ups just because the ballot will play its part.

However, maybe two or three ballot-derived additions? Seems plausible to me.

Keep most of the decisions in-house like usual, but add a few characters voted for through the ballot to really reel people in? I could see it.

 

[N3ON]

Keep most of the decisions in-house like usual, but add a few characters voted for through the ballot to really reel people in? I could see it.

That's my thought. Or hope, at least.

Seems like a good time to start including more fan-favourites now that the list of relatively imperative additions is pretty minimal tbh.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

What newcomer characters do people see as imperative that we don't have as of Smash 4? Are there really any other than Inkling? I'm sure there's something I'm not thinking of right now, but I do feel that Inkling was really the only shoo-in as far as newcomers go for this game.