Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Mellowy Yellow]

Everyone here is calling more Mario/Fire Emblem/Pokémon characters the worst case scenario, yet here I am preferring characters from those franchises over pretty much all other Nintendo-owned franchises.

I mean unless it's like...Koopa Kid, Peri, and Bruxish for some reason.

This is Nintendo we're talking about, they will find a way to make people upset

 

[PeridotGX]

For the character you want in, you also have to make an echo fighter out of it:
My turn:
Troubadour (Quatro) - Elise
Junko Enoshima - Tsugumi Shirogane
Ayumi Tachibana - Nameless Player character (From FDC)
Sakura (Fire Emblem) - But MAAAAARZ

Kamek - Kammy
Bandana Dee - Jammetjab
Maxwell - Lily
Lycanroc - Zygarde
Decidueye - Revali

So what upcoming games/things would Nintendo most want to promote this way?
N64 Mini if it is happening so B&K are likely. Steve if it is not for the Minecraft cash.
Yoshi's Crafted World?
Luigi's Mansion 3 maybe
Fire Emblem 3 Houses (as much as I don't want any more FE characters its very likely)
I don't know what else there could be

I think this helps Elma. The Xenoblade devs have expressed interest in porting X to Switch, and Elma in Smash would advertise that nicely.

 

[N3ON]

Remind yourself that it's not like every single character is going to be promotional. I think Nintendo is smart enough to realize fan requests would bring in a lot of money, so it could easily be a mix of promotion, fan requests, and big names.
Then again they did relegate voice chat on the Switch to a smartphone app so I'm torn.

The thing about fan requests is they're eaten up by a small, passionate portion of the audience, but that group is so ravenous that the bigger names wouldn't prove any different, except they'd be less alienating to the more fair weather fan. They might even draw new people in, which the fan-favourites probably wouldn't do to any great extent.

I do agree that not every character will be promotional though, I think that's an important thing to keep in mind.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Sakurai's tweak spells doom.

Nintendo choose the DLC. That is not good.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

The summoning pool of Fire Emblem Heroes, and Sakurai actually will Summon a full Circle summon, those 5 characters will be our DLC

and all 5 will be 5 stars because hes just lucky like that

 

[Paperchampion23]

Here's my choices that 100% won't happen (together)!

- Geno
- Banjo
- Phoenix Wright
- Chorus Kids
- BWD

Kill me!

 

[Mariomaniac45213]

another unpopular opinion: People should learn to deal with FE.

Trust me I'd rather have a 100 more Fire Emblem characters over Crash, Shantae, Spyro, Heihachi, etc. any day of the week. Bring on a 3 Houses character!

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Alright, since we're all losing our minds now, I'm going to put my thoughts down on this and try to clear some things up.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete. This time the selection was made entirely by Nintendo. I decide if we can create a fighter based on their selection, then come up with the plan.

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) November 6, 2018

First off, please note that Sakurai is saying "Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete." Not that it has been complete, or they completed months ago. But that it is now complete. As in, they've only now finally finished choosing the DLC characters and thinking of how they'll work. Not that they've finished creating them, as it hasn't been nearly long enough since the game has gone gold to finish them.
This means there's a chance that, in fact, recent characters (anyone from games after early 2016) could be part of the DLC lineup. Of course, this goes against what he said the final smash direct, but yet again, what he said in that direct goes against what Bill had said about how they were handling Smash DLC.

Second off, please note what he said. "This time the selection was made entirely by Nintendo." This doesn't mean no 3rd Party characters.
It means that, we may get a lot of 1st Party characters, but some 3rd Parties as well. Nintendo chose them, but they could've chosen them for promotional reasons, trying to gather attention for franchises on the switch, or games coming to the switch soon that we've yet to hear of, 3rd and 1st party. This doesn't eliminate 3rd parties entirely, but it limits our options to "Which 3rd parties would Nintendo want in Smash? How would it help them for this 3rd party to get in smash besides making money off of DLC?" Geno's chances are hurt, because we don't know how badly Nintendo themselves want him. DQ's chances increase immensely because of this, as are Chocobo's or any FF character's. Sora's chances are, admittedly, very hurt as well. However, characters like Sora and 2B (Basically 3rd party franchises who've yet to have a game on the switch, but can get one in the nier near future) potentially have a chance if their inclusion is anything like Isabelle's; In other words, their announcement and reveal coincides with the announcement of their game arriving to the Switch at a later date or that same day. Banjo is still a potential fit, due to the potential 64 Mini.

Lastly, the end of his tweet. "I decide if we can create a fighter based on their selection, then come up with the plan." The wording of this suggests that Nintendo didn't give Sakurai specific 5 fighters, but rather, a large list of characters, 1st party and potentially 3rd party, which Sakurai would have to pick 5 characters from said large list based off of if he wants to do something with given characters or can. This means Nintendo decided far more than 5 characters for smash, gave Sakurai a list and told him "Choose 5 of these you think you can make something good with," and essentially to throw the other choices away. This means Sakurai still has some level of control as to who gets to be in Smash, only it has to be off of the list of characters Nintendo gave him.

It's not the end of the world. In fact, this kind of excites me.

great genos chances are hurt even more now

Geno 8 pokemon
Maybe crash to promote the trilogy
Steve
Sora or DQ character
Hopefully a fan service pick (but really it will be something like Rayman)

 

[Idon]

I know how to trigger you buddy.
Did you know that SMTV will be on Switch? Imagine if there a promotionnal DLC?

It's happening boys.
I can feel it right in my SOUL.

 

[Roberk]

I'd imagine something like this.

-Byleth or Edelgard
-DaemonxMachina character
-Dante
-Gen 8 Pokemon
-Sylux

Characters no one was asking for.

• Edelgard is a magic/axe user
• DaemonxMachina looks hype, a mecha character would be unique
• Dante is hype, DMC5 on Switch? (Maybe not, but an HD trilogy + 4, maybe)
• People eat up Pokemon
• Another Metroid character after Metroid was mistreated for so long

Not gonna lie, this ain't so bad.

 

[Idon]

DMC5 on Switch

HAHAHAHA
I wish, but no.
Maybe a DMC:HD collection port, but they clearly have no plans on developing DMC5 on the Switch.

 

[Deleted member]

Sakurai's tweak spells doom.

Nintendo choose the DLC. That is not good.

Except they've listened to a lot of complaints and haven't been a bunch of dumb ****s like the past two generations. You really can't just count them out.
There's a reason the Nintendo Switch is successful right now, and it's certainly learning from the complaints.

 

[ChronoKatie]

I'm super glad Sakurai at least had Veto rights. He's smart enough to know what won't work and what will.

 

[Door Key Pig]

Sooooooooooooooo assuming Nintendo's picking the DLC and that might entail promotional/advertising picks...
...could Crash have a chance? Sure maybe the DLC was planned pre-N. Sane revival unless Sakurai was referring to missing the base roster for why Rex wasn't included, but Nintendo and Activision have gotten on okay, with the Skylanders crossover and success N Sane has had on the Switch...

I can dream!

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

if they, for some odd reason, picked Layton to be DLC, i will bust a nut

 

[Iko MattOrr]

The fact that the characters have been chosen by Nintendo means a lot of stuff.

-I read this as Sakurai not wanting to take responsability for the choices: I think he fears backlash, this means it's likely that the characters chosen won't be from the most popular choices.

-Nintendo usually don't take fan requests and do wathever they think is better or more convenient for them: I expect one or more promotioal characters, and few third parties unless they are in to promote an upcoming game.

-Possibly some characters who are important to Nintendo have bigger chances: Ganon, Toad, Dixie Kong, Tetra and stuff like that. I think this is positive, I prefer to see important Nintendo characters over characters from obscure franchises or third parties (with some exceptions).

-This decreases a lot the chances of getting Geno, since it has been proven in the history of Nintendo and the Mario franchise that Nintendo doesn't care at all of the puppet, sadly.

I have a lot of mixed opinions on this, but after all I'm happy if this means less random third parties.

Third parties are less likely but still possible:
There's the rumor of Steve and a Square Enix character; Vergeben has been reliable so far.
A Square Enix character is still very possible because all those Final Fantasy games being ported on Switch....
I can totally see Nintendo bringing Ubisoft to Smash with Rabbids content and stuff.
A random third party character to promote a new game coming to Switch is possible too.

These are just theories and speculations, offcourse, I'm not sure yet, but that tweet surely influences the speculation IMO.

 

[TreeBranch]

With how controversial Corrin was and how hesitant Sakurai was to add him, I don't see too many promotional characters happening. The fact that Springman is an assist and Rex is a costume makes me doubt it as well

 

[Luigi The President]

The fact that the characters have been chosen by Nintendo means a lot of stuff.

-I read this as Sakurai not wanting to take responsability for the choices: I think he fears backlash, this means it's likely that the characters chosen won't be from the most popular choices.

-Nintendo usually don't take fan requests and do wathever theythink is better or more convenient for them: I expect one or more promotioal characters, and few third parties unless they are in to promote an upcoming game.

-Possibly some characters who are important to Nintendo have bigger chances: Ganon, Toad, Dixie Kong and stuff like that. I think this is positive, I prefer to see important Nintendo characters over characters from obscure franchises or third parties (with some exceptions).

-This decreases a lot the chances of getting Geno, since it has been proven in the history of Nintendo and the Mario franchise that Nintendo doesn't care at all of the puppet, sadly.

I have a lot of mixed opinions on this, but after all I'm happy if this means less random third parties.

Third parties are less likely but still possible:
There's the rumor of Steve and a Square Enix character; Vergeben has been reliable so far.
A Square Enix character is still very possible because all those Final Fantasy games being ported on Switch....
I can totally see Nintendo bringing Ubisoft to Smash with Rabbids content and stuff.
A random third party character to promote a new game coming to Switch is possible too.

These are just theories and speculations, offcourse, I'm not sure yet, but that tweet surely influences the speculation IMO.

Uh??? How can Nintendo show they care about Geno more than they already have??? What do you mean by this???

 

[Potato_]

Here's the thing.

It's Nintendo, they do a lot of boneheaded stuff. I won't disagree there.

But to assume literally every pick will be promotional is a little much.

Nintendo still want this DLC to sell. Putting what is the equivalent of Smash 4 Corrin as the entirity of DLC will most likely not sell as well as putting bigger, more requested names.

 

[Roberk]

Trust me I'd rather have a 100 more Fire Emblem characters over Crash, Shantae, Spyro, Heihachi, etc. any day of the week. Bring on a 3 Houses character!

It's hard to tell what is and isn't sarcasm at this point.

 

[Chrono.]

A FE character was probably happening no matter what.

Sakurai chose Corrin of his own volition, it wasn't Nintendo pushing it on to him.

 

[FalcoXP]

Well, seeing that Nintendo is the one that chose the DLC content, maybe the newcomers will be like this:

- FE Switch character
- PKMN 8th gen character (though i dobut his one)
- Banjo (Nintendo loves to get profits from the nostalgic feelings)
- Doom Guy
- ??? I cant name other lol

 

[Idon]

With how controversial Corrin was and how hesitant Sakurai was to add him, I don't see too many promotional characters happening. The fact that Springman is an assist and Rex is a costume makes me doubt it as well

Yeah, but Sakurai isn't the one picking this time.

Remember that he said that this time, the only veto power he has is if he can't make a moveset for the character, and a weapon based character is one of the easiest characters to make a moveset out of.

 

[Deleted member]

With how controversial Corrin was and how hesitant Sakurai was to add him, I don't see too many promotional characters happening. The fact that Springman is an assist and Rex is a costume makes me doubt it as well

Sakurai and his team were the ones lobbying for Corrin though, not Nintendo.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

With how controversial Corrin was and how hesitant Sakurai was to add him, I don't see too many promotional characters happening. The fact that Springman is an assist and Rex is a costume makes me doubt it as well

Except this time its Nintendo deciding not Sakurai.

I'm dreading to think this is gonna be the case...-_-

 

[Deleted member]

The fact that the characters have been chosen by Nintendo means a lot of stuff.

-I read this as Sakurai not wanting to take responsability for the choices: I think he fears backlash, this means it's likely that the characters chosen won't be from the most popular choices.

-Nintendo usually don't take fan requests and do wathever theythink is better or more convenient for them: I expect one or more promotioal characters, and few third parties unless they are in to promote an upcoming game.

-Possibly some characters who are important to Nintendo have bigger chances: Ganon, Toad, Dixie Kong and stuff like that. I think this is positive, I prefer to see important Nintendo characters over characters from obscure franchises or third parties (with some exceptions).

-This decreases a lot the chances of getting Geno, since it has been proven in the history of Nintendo and the Mario franchise that Nintendo doesn't care at all of the puppet, sadly.

I have a lot of mixed opinions on this, but after all I'm happy if this means less random third parties.

Third parties are less likely but still possible:
There's the rumor of Steve and a Square Enix character; Vergeben has been reliable so far.
A Square Enix character is still very possible because all those Final Fantasy games being ported on Switch....
I can totally see Nintendo bringing Ubisoft to Smash with Rabbids content and stuff.
A random third party character to promote a new game coming to Switch is possible too.

These are just theories and speculations, offcourse, I'm not sure yet, but that tweet surely influences the speculation IMO.

The only Final Fantasy character we're getting is from FFVII, because of the labeling.

So what you're trying to say then, is that Sephiroth is coming through?

 

[CannonStreak]

Wait, how many people are worried about the quality of DLC since Nintendo picked the line-up this time?

 

[N3ON]

I'm super glad Sakurai at least had Veto rights. He's smart enough to know what won't work and what will.

You know, except for Villager.
And Pac-Man.
Ridley.
Miis

But at least he's smart enough to know when he was wrong!

With how controversial Corrin was and how hesitant Sakurai was to add him, I don't see too many promotional characters happening. The fact that Springman is an assist and Rex is a costume makes me doubt it as well

I think the source of the controversy arose from the abundance of existing FE characters. I wouldn't imagine there'd be the same hesitation with a less populous series.

 

[Idon]

Wait, how many people are worried about the quality of DLC since Nintendo picked the line-up this time?

I'm curious, but not especially worried.

It's not like any of my wants are realistic to begin with.

 

[RyuhoFox]

The summoning pool of Fire Emblem Heroes, and Sakurai actually will Summon a full Circle summon, those 5 characters will be our DLC

And it's just Gunther five times. I've actually had that happen...

 

[Chrono.]

Wait, how many people are worried about the quality of DLC since Nintendo picked the line-up this time?

This entire thread is in freak out mode right now over probably nothing.

 

[Kingslime304]

Ftf, you got 0-3'd by an Edelgard player:

 

[JCDied4U]

Trust me I'd rather have a 100 more Fire Emblem characters over Crash, Shantae, Spyro, Heihachi, etc. any day of the week. Bring on a 3 Houses character!

What kind of a sick monster are you? In all seriousness though what's wrong with those characters over more sword wielders that play very similarly?

 

[ChronoKatie]

The fact that the characters have been chosen by Nintendo means a lot of stuff.

-I read this as Sakurai not wanting to take responsability for the choices: I think he fears backlash, this means it's likely that the characters chosen won't be from the most popular choices.

-Nintendo usually don't take fan requests and do wathever theythink is better or more convenient for them: I expect one or more promotioal characters, and few third parties unless they are in to promote an upcoming game.

-Possibly some characters who are important to Nintendo have bigger chances: Ganon, Toad, Dixie Kong and stuff like that. I think this is positive, I prefer to see important Nintendo characters over characters from obscure franchises or third parties (with some exceptions).

-This decreases a lot the chances of getting Geno, since it has been proven in the history of Nintendo and the Mario franchise that Nintendo doesn't care at all of the puppet, sadly.

I have a lot of mixed opinions on this, but after all I'm happy if this means less random third parties.

Third parties are less likely but still possible:
There's the rumor of Steve and a Square Enix character; Vergeben has been reliable so far.
A Square Enix character is still very possible because all those Final Fantasy games being ported on Switch....
I can totally see Nintendo bringing Ubisoft to Smash with Rabbids content and stuff.
A random third party character to promote a new game coming to Switch is possible too.

These are just theories and speculations, offcourse, I'm not sure yet, but that tweet surely influences the speculation IMO.

Yeah, sadly upon thinking about it more and more, Sakurai is the Nintendo developer who is closest I can think of to the fan's demographic. He may make swerves, but the man has proven he knows what we want. Nintendo on the other hand, they are the sorts who will go out of their way to do the obscure thing JUST to look unique. It's actually my least favorite part of the company that I love. They can be downright stubborn with their obsession of "Doing it different." I could certainly see this being a disappointment, but I'll hold out for now.

The one thing I will say on Geno's chances is this though: https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/995680065206784000

 

[Teeb147]

We don't know exactly what Nintendo will pick..

But I say bring on the Magic Axe-wielding Edelgard either way

 

[Roberk]

Wait, how many people are worried about the quality of DLC since Nintendo picked the line-up this time?

Nintendo picking the DLC almost guarantees promotional picks, which kills popular fan picks' chances.

 

[AugustusB]

Alright, since we're all losing our minds now, I'm going to put my thoughts down on this and try to clear some things up.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete. This time the selection was made entirely by Nintendo. I decide if we can create a fighter based on their selection, then come up with the plan.

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) November 6, 2018

First off, please note that Sakurai is saying "Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete." Not that it has been complete, or they completed months ago. But that it is now complete. As in, they've only now finally finished choosing the DLC characters and thinking of how they'll work. Not that they've finished creating them, as it hasn't been nearly long enough since the game has gone gold to finish them.
This means there's a chance that, in fact, recent characters (anyone from games after early 2016) could be part of the DLC lineup. Of course, this goes against what he said the final smash direct, but yet again, what he said in that direct goes against what Bill had said about how they were handling Smash DLC.

Second off, please note what he said. "This time the selection was made entirely by Nintendo." This doesn't mean no 3rd Party characters.
It means that, we may get a lot of 1st Party characters, but some 3rd Parties as well. Nintendo chose them, but they could've chosen them for promotional reasons, trying to gather attention for franchises on the switch, or games coming to the switch soon that we've yet to hear of, 3rd and 1st party. This doesn't eliminate 3rd parties entirely, but it limits our options to "Which 3rd parties would Nintendo want in Smash? How would it help them for this 3rd party to get in smash besides making money off of DLC?" Geno's chances are hurt, because we don't know how badly Nintendo themselves want him. DQ's chances increase immensely because of this, as are Chocobo's or any FF character's. Sora's chances are, admittedly, very hurt as well. However, characters like Sora and 2B (Basically 3rd party franchises who've yet to have a game on the switch, but can get one in the nier near future) potentially have a chance if their inclusion is anything like Isabelle's; In other words, their announcement and reveal coincides with the announcement of their game arriving to the Switch at a later date or that same day. Banjo is still a potential fit, due to the potential 64 Mini.

Lastly, the end of his tweet. "I decide if we can create a fighter based on their selection, then come up with the plan." The wording of this suggests that Nintendo didn't give Sakurai specific 5 fighters, but rather, a large list of characters, 1st party and potentially 3rd party, which Sakurai would have to pick 5 characters from said large list based off of if he wants to do something with given characters or can. This means Nintendo decided far more than 5 characters for smash, gave Sakurai a list and told him "Choose 5 of these you think you can make something good with," and essentially to throw the other choices away. This means Sakurai still has some level of control as to who gets to be in Smash, only it has to be off of the list of characters Nintendo gave him.

It's not the end of the world. In fact, this kind of excites me.

Seriously, can we appreciate Nines work here?! Nintendo had a list of fighters for Sakurai to pick from!

Not this.

Nintendo: "Here are the 5 fighters we want"
Sakurai: "Ohh...I had a couple in mind and w--"
Nintendo: "NO! YOU USE THESE!"

Instead what he is actually saying is THIS is what happened.

Nintendo: "We composed a list of fighters for Smash we would like to see if you can make them work. Try to pick 5 from this hahaha!"
Sakurai: "Only 5 from this list of 34? Give me some time to lull this over."
Nintendo "Take your time"

Read the text thoroughly, people!

Still this could be doom for some, but lets see what happens and WELCOME CHAOS!

 

[Iko MattOrr]

The only Final Fantasy character we're getting is from FFVII, because of the labeling.

So what you're trying to say then, is that Sephiroth is coming through?

So far there's no way to predict, though I wouldn't exclude the possibility, especially if the porting of FFVII comes out close to the release/announcement of the DLC.

 

[CannonStreak]

This entire thread is in freak out mode right now over probably nothing.

I know what you mean by "over nothing". I don't see what the fuss is about. Why would it be something to worry about, anyway?

 

[A.G.L.]

I'm glad you liked it. It's not that far from the game's (definitely better though)

Bubsy was a shot in the dark, and that's what I meant. I said Geno won't be profitable, my aim at that was.. well, no aim actually, I think as Bubsy they should go with no aim but Geno's fans sake. That in my opinion is a longer term investment.

They had an Advance Wars AT, but even that was scrapped for Ultimate. So yeah. I did like that AT however, those tiny tanks n soldiers. have to say though, Strategy is my least favorite game gener. I tried, it's just not my thing, so I'm not that familiar with AW, when you said Will I thought it's that guy holding a wrench.

Place looks nice. I'll tell you though, Japan places are smaller than you think. I mean that tour probably will end in a couple of hours. Haven't been to that city, but it's a guess.

Ah I see sorry I that I did not understand, but now that you have explained it I understand. I would not be opposed to Geno being in, as much as I really like Sora (though I like Roxas more). I think Geno fans deserve to have him in for their loyalty. However I just do not see it due to what we have discussed. It just is not in Square's business patterns. They prefer cross promotion and characters that represent the company. If Geno got in, it would be a move that Square has not made before. There's a reason Noctis is in Tekken and not Tifa, despite Tifa making more sense as a brawler. They wanted cross promotion for FF15. With Geno they would get no cross promotion and less money in the end. Logic aside I hope for the sake of Geno fans they get their wish and if they don't hopefully Square will sell Geno to Nintendo.

Yeah, but the Advance Wars assist trophy was super generic. I would have preferred Andy from Advance Wars to be the Assist. It's one of those games that can be hard to love so I understand. Yeah the guy with the wrench is Andy, he is the character most people know of from Advance Wars. Will is the most recent protagonist. It's not surprising you haven't heard of him Advance Wars has a small fan base and Days of Ruin has an even smaller fan base. I still prefer Will to Andy, because Days of Ruin has a very interesting storyline. Andy to me felt like the typical hero, where as Will is a hero because he was forced to become one.

Yeah I heard Japan is small in some places, but honestly to me thats fine. I wouldn't need a tour I feel like I could spend all day in that city and not get bored. Mostly because it looks so peaceful and removed from the business of modern life.