Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Enchess]

My thoughts:

• Being an Assist Trophy or Non-Playable character (not a spirit) or Mii costume (in some cases) decreases chances significantly. These characters will probably not appear as DLC, but it is not impossible.
• Being a Spirit, but not anything else, only decreases the chances of appearing as DLC slightly.
• Not being in the game at all can be a sign for DLC.
  • This is especially the case if it's a notable first party character (I'm not sure if anybody will freak out if Kersti from Paper Mario: Sticker Star or Agatha from Twilight Princess are not in the game). I would say if a character like Elma or Bandanna Dee are missing as a Spirit, they will most likely appear as DLC (but idk since Bandanna Dee wasn't even in Smash 4 at all, not even as a trophy).

This is why I think Saki and Elma might actually make it as DLC. Saki was a weird one to cut.

 

[StrawHatX]

Has Rayman been seen at all in the game?

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

Is it too early to start thinking about Smash 6?

Piranha Plant has got me legitimately thinking what kind of characters are now free to join the roster now that 'generic entities' are no longer barred from entry.

While most people think of Toad as a singular entity (specifically SMB2 Toad), Toad is a generic dude, but now that issue is gone.

Yoshi could get a new rep in the form of Shy Guy, pulling out all sorts of oddball references to all the different Shy Guys from Yoshi's Island and Paper Mario.

The most iconic Zelda enemies I can think of are Octorok, Moblin, Darknut, Stalfos and Lizalfos, and I feel like at least one of them could bring something new and fun to Smash.

Sakurai's comments on not adding regular Waddle Dee due to being a generic enemy are negated, so we could get a regular ol' Waddle Dee with Bandana Dee as an alt. With a regular Waddle Dee, they don't have to restrict themselves to BWD's Spear and Parasol.

While Metroids are arguably one of the most iconic game monsters ever, I feel they're pretty well covered by an Assist, but a Space Pirate or Zebesian would work (Zebesians can even use their different versions from Other M as skins).

EGGPLANT WIZARD CAN HAPPEN NOW EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

And if we really want to go all-in on this, add each individual Pikmin type as a character. /s

If Piranha Plant hadn't happened I'd be calling all of these ideas dumb. The best part is they're still dumb but totally fair game now. Bless Sakurai.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

Pretty sure DLC roster is already decided given that that Sakurai said they're going to work ASAP once the game is gold. Sakurai confirmed yesterday that the day is indeed good to go.

 

[Nethermoosen]

It will be a long time before I even get NEAR EVO (even though I live in the same state lol). All I can do as of this moment is advocate for my boi to be used...

Maybe Amsa will rise out of the shadows and make a triumphant return to form.

 

[Zinith]

Well, is the first fighter in Smash to have no eyes (if that means anything)...

would have counted if it wasn't for the animation changes. But, his FS in every game technically has eyes...

It means a lot because...



The icons are eyeless...

Well, sometimes...

 

[Starbound]

I was too hyped from the direct to realize, but we have less than 5 weeks left to release as of yesterday.

This is going to go too fast!

 

[Shroob]

I was too hyped from the direct to realize, but we have less than 5 weeks left to release as of yesterday.

This is going to go too fast!

And then the two month pain of no PP

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Ok, here's a fun slightly depressing game we can play:

Imagine (for many of us, this is a reality) that your favorite(s) are Spirits. How do their battles play out?
Who is the playable character standing in for them?
What costume?
What stage?
What modifiers?

Spoiler: Not too hard to imagine what my most wanted would look like with the red eyes...it is directly from his DLC art.

Versus: , default costume
Stage: Summit
Rules: Simon has high knockback on attacks. Assist Trophies are the only items and spawn infrequently containing only Rathalos

For Tails:

Versus: (orange costume) or (Gunner, 2222, Tails costume)
Stage: Windy Hill Zone
Rules: Character favors aerial attacks. Character has lower gravity and powered-up aerials. Character also has a permanent super leaf.

For Urbosa:

Versus: (Purple/Cyan dress)
Stage: Gerudo Valley
Rules: Paly favors her counter. Lightning (like Pika's dSpecial) strikes the battlefield randomly. Koume/Kotake do not appear.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Finally, some Lucas gameplay! He still looks pretty good, even with the nerfs he got.

 

[Zinith]

Maybe Amsa will rise out of the shadows and make a triumphant return to form.

I wish, but he'd probably be a Greninja main like Smash 4...

 

[Iridium]

Dang, that’s really unfortunate. Glad Ness, Falcon, and Puff seem to be getting buffed but my dude Weegee getting the nerf hammer?

From what I have heard, he still has grab combos at least. Recovery seems less, uh, versatile. I'm honestly not sure where he will go, but the only nerf I wanted was the removal of his Cyclone gimp.

 

[Will]

I was too hyped from the direct to realize, but we have less than 5 weeks left to release as of yesterday.

This is going to go too fast!

***** THIS IS GOING TOO SLOW
THE GAME IS COMPLETE GIMME THE GAME NOW

 

[RyuhoFox]

Well, I don't think you have...

Have you seen Rottytops, performing the tango to freaking Aerosmith, on the observation deck of the Shanghai Tower, while nude? I didn't think so.

Is Rottytops nude or the person watching?

 

[PsySmasher]

Well, I don't think you have...

Have you seen Rottytops, performing the tango to freaking Aerosmith, on the observation deck of the Shanghai Tower, while nude? I didn't think so.

That's an oddly specific example...

I'll admit I forgot about her. If Spirits mean disconfirmed, then it's not good news. If not, then she's definitely possible, and I'd say likely given her prominence. She's one of the last "Nintendo All-Stars" not in Smash yet.

I think at this point we shouldn't take spirits as deconfirmations.

If we do, were pretty much left (for 1st party) with Elma, Bandana Dee, and.... is that really it?

I mean great for me, since they've been my top 2 since the August direct, but there has to be more notable 1st party characters than just those 2... right?

 

[Rigumaro]

Okay, so Sakurai said that they just finished debugging and will now start working on the DLC but... Does it really work like that? I mean, there's no way during the debugging phase the rest of the team were just doing nothing, waiting for the game to go gold. Like, knowing how they already planned the DLC before hand, the artistic team (3D modelers, 2D artists, music production) probably started working on them while other departments were finishing and polishing the base game.

So I don't think they'd have 1 month to get a character for a TGA reveal. If such reveal is happening, that character has probably already been worked at for a while.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Forgot about that one.

This could work well. Enjoy Soraalam1's reaction to it as well lol.

Monster Sora is so darn cute

 

[TreeBranch]

It seems that characters are either being repped with assists or costumes, not both. Lip, Chibi Robo, Ray, and Saki are all costumes. This could explain why Saki and Ray have been cut, and why an Isaac Mii outfit hasn't been seen

 

[Potato_]

By the way, Sakurai said in the latest direct something about new events to play the game happening in North America right?

Has any information about that been released? I checked the site but it seems they haven't updated it with anything new, it's still the tailgate stuff.

 

[Androobie]

So I don't think they'd have 1 month to get a character for a TGA reveal. If such reveal is happening, that character has probably already been worked at for a while.

The reveal is obviously a Piranha Plant echo fighter.

 

[kylexv]

This is why I think Saki and Elma might actually make it as DLC. Saki was a weird one to cut.

Saki will be a Mii Costume, if that means anything.

20:40

Also, I saw him as a Spirit somewhere, but since we've seen, like, 800 of them already, I can't say for sure.

 

[Starbound]

That's an oddly specific example...



I think at this point we shouldn't take spirits as deconfirmations.

If we do, were pretty much left (for 1st party) with Elma, Bandana Dee, and.... is that really it?

I mean great for me, since they've been my top 2 since the August direct, but there has to be more notable 1st party characters than just those 2... right?

As much as I love having a literal weed in the cast, I think it's also a sign that we're really hitting the bottom of the barrel.

Or in this case, the bottom of the pot.

 

[doomedtacox]

Hey, don't say don't be dumb, I was just checking!



On Square Enix, Minecraft and Katalina (third party character, is she?), I have something to say...

Those don't make sense as the three (our of five) DLC characters in this game. Not that I am doubting Verge, for I don't doubt him, given his credibility, but while this is a celebration of gaming, this is also a celebration of Nintendo, since this started off as just Nintendo. Provided those three get in, you'd think Sakurai would add more Nintendo characters than third party ones, like 3 Nintendo characters and 2 third party characters for that reason. I know he doesn't have to, but still, this doesn't make that much sense to me. I think having three third parties and 2 first parties is kinda insane, given the kind of game this is; especially since we don't even know if we will get season 2.

Sorry for the little complaint, if you want to call it that, I was just making an observation, and I know those three have not been so confirmed yet.

I don't expect that many Nintendo characters as DLC, mainly third party ones with 1-2 first party.

 

[Iridium]

I wish, but he'd probably be a Greninja main like Smash 4...

You know, there's some pretty good Japanese Smash 4 Yoshi mains out there you should look up.

Rotsuku, Neon, Aiba and Yoshidora among the best. It's part of me to become a Japanese database at this point, I tell you.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Is Rottytops nude or the person watching?

She was, not me...

That's an oddly specific example...

Hey, don't judge my dreams. I can't control them, this isn't Inception.

 

[Starbound]

The reveal is obviously a Piranha Plant echo fighter.

I can't decide if I want Bellsprout or Deku Baba more as 70e.

 

[Shroob]

As much as I love having a literal weed in the cast, I think it's also a sign that we're really hitting the bottom of the barrel.

Or in this case, the bottom of the pot.

Depends, really.

For Mario characters? Absolutely.


If Waluigi is damned to Assist hell forever, and if Square won't play nice with SMRPG, there really aren't a lot of iconic Mario characters left unless you go for Toad or Paper Mario, imo.

 

[MysticKnives]

Finally, some Lucas gameplay! He still looks pretty good, even with the nerfs he got.

Just don’t understand the logic of nerfing him.

 

[vaanrose]

IMO, it depends on how good the modeler is, then. Having worked on collaborations alongside 3D animators like MowtenDoo, the Billy Herrington model he sculpted took like a week or so on that one collaborative project.

Then again, that's just me from an observer's view. I should've rephrased as in "I believe Sora could be done in a month and a half's time, when it comes to his moveset and model," the balancing, stage development and music are a different story, especially if Kingdom Hearts has any legal conundrums with music.

I'm a professional 3D sculptor. What I'm describing are actual timelines I've been given for paid gigs. There is a lot more involved in making an asset for production than as a hobbyist. As a hobbyist I've made models in no time (I had Mewtwo's mega form modded into Brawl less than ten hours after it's design was leaked), but production is a different ballgame.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

I hate the new faces mr game and watch has now

 

[kylexv]

Just don’t understand the logic of nerfing him.

Honestly worse for Bowser Jr.

He was bottom 10 in Smash 4. He didn't deserve this.
Also though I guessed that Bowser Jr. would be the worst character in Ultimate months ago and I'm secretly hoping I'm right.

 

[RyuhoFox]

She was, not me...

Hey, don't judge my dreams. I can't control them, this isn't Inception.

Nude Rottytops is cool by me

 

[LetterO]

That's an oddly specific example...



I think at this point we shouldn't take spirits as deconfirmations.

If we do, were pretty much left (for 1st party) with Elma, Bandana Dee, and.... is that really it?

I mean great for me, since they've been my top 2 since the August direct, but there has to be more notable 1st party characters than just those 2... right?

Also Tibby from Rhythm Heaven Megamix. As a main character it's strange that he hasn't been spotted yet. Megamix DID come out around when Ultimate was finalized.

 

[CannonStreak]

I don't expect that many Nintendo characters as DLC, mainly third party ones with 1-2 first party.

Well, feel free to think that. I just hope Dixie Kong from Donkey Kong Country gets in as a semi-clone of Diddy. Semi-clones are alright, right?

 

[Deleted member]

My thoughts:

• Being an Assist Trophy or Non-Playable character (not a spirit) or Mii costume (in some cases) decreases chances significantly. These characters will probably not appear as DLC, but it is not impossible.
  • This applies to the following characters:
    • Waluigi
    • Krystal
    • Isaac
    • Shadow
    • Skull Kid
    • Ashley
    • Shovel Knight
• Being a Spirit, but not anything else, only decreases the chances of appearing as DLC slightly.
  • This applies to the following characters:
    • Dixie
    • Geno
    • Chorus Kids
• Not being in the game at all can be a sign for DLC.
  • This is especially the case if it's a notable first party character (I'm not sure if anybody will freak out if Kersti from Paper Mario: Sticker Star or Agatha from Twilight Princess are not in the game). I would say if a character like Elma or Bandanna Dee are missing as a Spirit, they will most likely appear as DLC (but idk since Bandanna Dee wasn't even in Smash 4 at all, not even as a trophy).
    • Easiest way to tell this is if Piranha Plant is not a Spirit in the base game.

I don't think Mii Costumes share that same realm of decreasing chances. At this point, almost all of the Mii Costumes, or at least significant ones, have been promoted in some shape and form. Here's a graph from my "Case of Heihachi" post.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

So it turns out this does indeed have a small bit of issue...hmm hope they censor it.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Don't really agree with all the people saying it's not that big of a deal imo... please don't flame me.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Nude Rottytops is cool by me

Good. I mean, the person who just ignored me doesn't think the same.

Moving away from that...

 

[Deleted member]

Time for my ******** question:

Do we know anything about Sora’s romantic life?
I heard that he doesn’t care so much about Kairi.

 

[Shroob]

So it turns out this does indeed have a small bit of issue...hmm hope they censor it.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Don't really agree with all the people saying it's not that big of a deal imo... please don't flame me.

I did some digging on Resetera, and people were saying that if they patch this out, they'll have to patch it out of every region of the game too.

 

[PsySmasher]

Honestly worse for Bowser Jr.

He was bottom 10 in Smash 4. He didn't deserve this.
Also though I guessed that Bowser Jr. would be the worst character in Ultimate months ago and I'm secretly hoping I'm right.

I swear if he's bottom tier again...

Ugh. Why does my most wanted character period have to suck?