Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Scoliosis Jones]

Something just occurred to me, and again I might be off with this. But can we entertain the possibility that there are more than just one render for the banner itself?

Think about it. The comparison we have in the first place comes from a digital screen to what is assumed to be a fabric banner. If i’m remembering this correctly as well, the images/image of this banner are in plastic wrap. That seems like that would be also factors in distorting what the actual image looks like.

Or, at least, logically I would think so.

I mean I think the comparisons were worthwhile and i’m glad they were done. But I just can’t help but feel like we’re missing something with that.

Like for example, we’re talking between the digital banner on the website, the banner in the digital screen at E3, an assumed fabric cloth banner to be hung up in that wrap, and then whatever material the one for the college tour is. I would assume a digital screen would allow the colors to seem brighter and clearer than a cloth that’s much less in focus and wrapped in plastic.

Or am I crazy?

I don’t know. I would be absolutely out of my mind if this leak ends up real. I am trying to stay cautious though in case it isn’t. I hope I don’t come across as desperate but i’m actually wondering if that would explain anything about the differences.

Another thing actually that I thought about just this second, is something I actually bought based on BOTW art. I downloaded a HQ pic of the BOTW cover and uploaded it to a canvas production site to purchase. While it still looks nice, some parts of the image are blurrier than they are on the screen of my MacBook for example.

I just wonder if that’s what’s happening here.

 

[Cosmic77]

Hum...Okay, a bit of news development on the Insider side

Ryce, someone that the administrator of ResetEra, Steve and basically other insiders backed up claimed this

Source



SEE? It seems that ALL of these insiders literally seems to implies that they have VISUAL proof for this roster.
Help.
I'm becoming crazy.

And that's what makes this leak so difficult. It's a matter of what to believe - an EXTREMELY convincing picture with a story to back it up, or a bunch of reliable insiders who are completely confused by this leak and say it doesn't match up at all with what they heard.

 

[Hinata]

Hey, time for everyone's favorite question! I just got here, so can someone get me up to speed? People keep talkin' about new info of some kind, so what's the story?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

What if.... insiders got old info... ?

I mean, it happened with Gematsu so....

 

[Graizen]

Team Real
Team Real
Team Real

Yeah baby!

 

[Nekoo]

What if.... insiders got old info... ?

It's not like Gematsu who seemingle had old info from a developper sources.
Here, it seems to be VISUAL PROOF that is in talk, I'm not sure how old VISUAL stuff can get, especially if he say that the roster basically look nothing alike

 

[xAquaCrystal]

Comparing their relevancy is kinda pointless in the context of Smash Ultimate, K.Rool got in over Dixie Kong.

Dont forget Geno. A character I believe have not been around for decades and it’s the strong fan base/popularity that’s going to cause him to get in the game.

 

[Pakky]

for people asking for proof if Vergeben is still saying Incineroar is still in, he posted this image on Gamefaqs

That's good enough for me, who wants pizza rolls?

 

[Luigifan18]

What if.... insiders got old info... ?

Or they got leak bait?

 

[Mutsukki]

Something just occurred to me, and again I might be off with this. But can we entertain the possibility that there are more than just one render for the banner itself?

Think about it. The comparison we have in the first place comes from a digital screen to what is assumed to be a fabric banner. If i’m remembering this correctly as well, the images/image of this banner are in plastic wrap. That seems like that would be also factors in distorting what the actual image looks like.

Or, at least, logically I would think so.

I mean I think the comparisons were worthwhile and i’m glad they were done. But I just can’t help but feel like we’re missing something with that.

Like for example, we’re talking between the digital banner on the website, the banner in the digital screen at E3, an assumed fabric cloth banner to be hung up in that wrap, and then whatever material the one for the college tour is. I would assume a digital screen would allow the colors to seem brighter and clearer than a cloth that’s much less in focus and wrapped in plastic.

Or am I crazy?

I don’t know. I would be absolutely out of my mind if this leak ends up real. I am trying to stay cautious though in case it isn’t. I hope I don’t come across as desperate but i’m actually wondering if that would explain anything about the differences.

Another thing actually that I thought about just this second, is something I actually bought based on BOTW art. I downloaded a HQ pic of the BOTW cover and uploaded it to a canvas production site to purchase. While it still looks nice, some parts of the image are blurrier than they are on the screen of my MacBook for example.

I just wonder if that’s what’s happening here.

There's actual difference in different shapes and stuff missing very conveniently on spots with a lot of characters obscuring them. None of these can be related to difference in material.

 

[FalcoXP]

It's not like Gematsu who seemingle had old info from a developper sources.
Here, it seems to be VISUAL PROOF that is in talk, I'm not sure how old VISUAL stuff can get, especially if he say that the roster basically look nothing alike

Well, This is a low blow to Team Real.
Still on Team 50-50

 

[Zenos]

Hum...Okay, a bit of news development on the Insider side

Ryce, someone that the administrator of ResetEra, Steve and basically other insiders backed up claimed this

Source



SEE? It seems that ALL of these insiders literally seems to implies that they have VISUAL proof for this roster.
Help.
I'm becoming crazy.

Nothing in common in what ways though? Does that just boil down to Incineroar? Are there MORE characters aside from Incineroar, are there characters in this leak that are there but the leak itself is false?

Man.

 

[Idon]

Why?? I don't understand this. We already have Captain Falcon. I get if a character can only get in as a clone, but I would never actively wish for a clone of a character, especially when they already look kind of similar. Why wouldn't you want more unique move sets? It just brings more variety. (Genuinely asking, not mocking. I don't see how you can want that, so I want to know your reasons, and maybe I'll understand better.

Same.
I could understsnd wanting a character in even if you have to compromise, but actually wanting to play as essentially an alternate costume is bizarre.

 

[The_Naraotor]

What's funny in here is that I am not able to follow all the talk that went on this thread lol. But's it's fine !

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Hum...Okay, a bit of news development on the Insider side

Ryce, someone that the administrator of ResetEra, Steve and basically other insiders backed up claimed this

Source



SEE? It seems that ALL of these insiders literally seems to implies that they have VISUAL proof for this roster.
Help.
I'm becoming crazy.

And here's the thing, when these guys were hinting Ridley people ate it up and used it for evidence all the time, trust me I was there, I pointed to it.

But now? All of the sudden it's who are these people? Why should I care about "insiders"?

Seriously real or not I'm not saying, but hype has created so much bias for this leak it's not even funny.

 

[Nekoo]

Or they got leak bait?

Leak bait are usually spreading rumour inside of a company and such, probably how Gematsu happened with Chrom and Chorus kid.
However, they all seems to have VISUAL PROOF, somehow, I don't know how far Nintendo go for Leak bait, but would it implies making fake visual proof?

 

[mbvswb]

Rooting for team real, but I believe team fake at this point. Its just a gut feeling.

 

[Pyra]

Now confirm the Grinch roster and no one gets hurt

Tell us all your secrets, buddy...

My secret?
I have a clairvoyant gut. My gut feelings are startlingly accurate. Probably just my diet.
And anxiety. Loads of that too.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Hum...Okay, a bit of news development on the Insider side

Ryce, someone that the administrator of ResetEra, Steve and basically other insiders backed up claimed this

Source



SEE? It seems that ALL of these insiders literally seems to implies that they have VISUAL proof for this roster.
Help.
I'm becoming crazy.

None of that matters to me. The Grinch roster has practically nothing in common with the roster that I was shown a few months ago by someone I consider very trustworthy, and that's why I'm calling bull**** on it. You're free to believe what you want, but please remember in a few weeks that some of us tried to warn you.

The Grinch roster has practically nothing in common with the roster that I was shown a few months ago by someone I consider very trustworthy

A FEW MONTHS AGO

Yeah... I'm calling bull**** on this resetERA guy.

 

[TVDart]

My stance on the Mach Rider gender situation: It's never actually implied in game that the woman at the end of Vs. Mach Rider is the actual Mach Rider themselves or a pin up reward for completing the arcade version successfully. How it's described on the Nintendo Wiki: "Each time the player completed a level, an image was gradually revealed of a woman with a dagger standing next to Mach Rider's bike."

One thing also to note is that the "Melee Trophy" argument isn't applicable here, since Melee's trophy descriptions are infamous for having falsified information. Notable is Kaptain K. Rool being referred to as King K. Rool's cousin. (lol)

HOWEVER, I do believe that Sakurai would be likely to give Mach Rider both options in the same vain as Robin/Corrin/Villager/WFT. Or, at the very least, one of Mach's costumes is the woman in her ~scandalous~ outfit. Since this only applies to the arcade version of the game, I would argue it's probably non-canon, but likely to appear as a reference since there's so little to work with for Mach Rider.

So, I guess my verdict is default male, alt female? But a part of me is worried that Sakurai will keep it ambiguous so that the community can argue about this for the rest of time and back.

 

[Nap_]

Hum...Okay, a bit of news development on the Insider side

Ryce, someone that the administrator of ResetEra, Steve and basically other insiders backed up claimed this

Source



SEE? It seems that ALL of these insiders literally seems to implies that they have VISUAL proof for this roster.
Help.
I'm becoming crazy.

Wooohoo. That's how I like it. Let's see if they can go with the pressure without opening their mouth.
I really want to see the leak becoming true , the insider meltdown could be epic, just for see it.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Hum...Okay, a bit of news development on the Insider side

Ryce, someone that the administrator of ResetEra, Steve and basically other insiders backed up claimed this

Source



SEE? It seems that ALL of these insiders literally seems to implies that they have VISUAL proof for this roster.
Help.
I'm becoming crazy.

This is interesting.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

for people asking for proof if Vergeben is still saying Incineroar is still in, he posted this image on Gamefaqs

Yea but probably as dlc

And gemusatu locked chrom in smash 4 speculation and he was cut during development and the sources didn't see that or its bait leak

Either the same case or dlc

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Watch this entire leak be fake, and the next Direct announces Steve and Incineroar...

 

[ErenJager]

Why the leak is fake:

1) A gaijin owned character will never be playable smash. So Banjo is obviously fake.

2) Isaac was removed after brawl, never to return. Only reason smash community knows him is because of brawl. If he wasnt in brawl, he wouldnt even have fans. So clearly Isaac is fake.

3) Chorus kids - literally who?

4) Mach rider - fake. Clearly a product of the Fan rule of needing a retro character. Fake news.

5) Shadow the edge hog - gooby pls.

6) Ken - only included bc hes been speculated and leaked since forever.

 

[TheCJBrine]

See, he doesn't specify; he says "nothing in common" so that would mean Ken is out.

What about this guy? Is he reliable?

https://twitter.com/MysticDistance/status/1055689853235617792

 

[Pyra]

Yo DaybreakHorizon if Incineroar is DLC do we both lose the bet or like... what happens

 

[osby]

Same.
I could understsnd wanting a character in even if you have to compromise, but actually wanting to play as essentially an alternate costume is bizarre.

I agree but maybe they really like the base character's moveset.

 

[ButterGeek]

I think the insider’s roster has only Kencineroar are left for the base game, so the Grinch leak with only Ken, No Inci and many more new fighters would count as having almost nothing in common.

 

[Keyblader_Of_Smash]

Sooooo, I completely lost track of this thread like almost 200 pages ago. Anything new happen? Confirm? Deconfirm? Is Incineroar DLC? Is Sora @ VGAs still a thing? I have so many questions and I wanna check in one last time before I sell my soul to Red Dead. LOL

 

[amazonevan19]

Ryce later clarified

"The only way the Grinch leak is real is if Nintendo intentionally fed a partially correct roster to unrelated sources shortly before the August Direct, but that's an even bigger conspiracy theory than anything that's being posited here. "

...PARTIALLY CORRECT????????

HOLY ****

HOLY ****

HOLY ****

 

[TVDart]

Hum...Okay, a bit of news development on the Insider side

Ryce, someone that the administrator of ResetEra, Steve and basically other insiders backed up claimed this

Source



SEE? It seems that ALL of these insiders literally seems to implies that they have VISUAL proof for this roster.
Help.
I'm becoming crazy.

"This leak that you all can visually see contradicts this thing I saw that I can't show you privately that totally is different and also I won't tell you what's in that one I saw it a few months ago guys I swear."

Yeah.

 

[Deleted member]

It's not like Gematsu who seemingle had old info from a developper sources.
Here, it seems to be VISUAL PROOF that is in talk, I'm not sure how old VISUAL stuff can get, especially if he say that the roster basically look nothing alike

Not that I think this leak is real, but...

"Insiders" aren't necessarily people to 100% trust, either. It's best to be cautious of both sides right now. Anyone can claim they've seen visual proof of the roster.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Why the leak is fake:
3) Chorus kids - literally who?

You take this statement back now, buddy...
They may be a bit obscure... but not that obscure

 

[AreJay25]

For those may not know/have forgotten, Ryce was a prominent leaker for MvC:I and, from what I remember, was pretty accurate by the end of it.

So if he's saying something of this caliber, it's absolutely something to watch out for.

 

[Nekoo]

See, he doesn't specify; he says "nothing in common" so that would mean Ken is out.

What about this guy? Is he reliable?

https://twitter.com/MysticDistance/status/1055689853235617792

PRACTICALLY nothing in common.

Also.

More news

Source

The only way the Grinch leak is real is if Nintendo intentionally fed a partially correct roster to unrelated sources shortly before the August Direct, but that's an even bigger conspiracy theory than anything that's being posited here.

So, seems they got the information about the roster a bit before August?

 

[The DanMan051]

See, he doesn't specify; he says "nothing in common" so that would mean Ken is out.

What about this guy? Is he reliable?

https://twitter.com/MysticDistance/status/1055689853235617792

"practically nothing in common"; still leaves room for Ken but everyone else being BS.

 

[ErenJager]

You take this statement back now, buddy...
They may be a bit obscure... but not that obscure

Haha, I meant it with my tongue in cheek.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Hey, time for everyone's favorite question! I just got here, so can someone get me up to speed? People keep talkin' about new info of some kind, so what's the story?

Long story, and it's tough to explain...

It's not like Gematsu who seemingle had old info from a developper sources.
Here, it seems to be VISUAL PROOF that is in talk, I'm not sure how old VISUAL stuff can get, especially if he say that the roster basically look nothing alike

Anything can change in a few months, including the roster. Fighters can be cut and changed.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

For those may not know/have forgotten, Ryce was a prominent leaker for MvC:I and, from what I remember, was pretty accurate by the end of it.

So if he's saying something of this caliber, it's absolutely something to watch out for.

The only thing he got wrong was no Ant-Man.