Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Idon]

Honestly, while the lighting looks a bit wonky and makes everything a bit more muted, it doesn't especially look too bad.

Visually, I'm a bit mixed with the new effects on the attacks. Instead of being transparent special effects, they're way more opaque and solid. It feels like Ike's swatting a giant yellow ink-brush through the air a lot of the times. It's not bad, but after Smash 4, I'm going to have to get used to it.

Also, the smoke during knockback. That ****'s kinda gratuitous so if they could just tone it down a tad, I'll be fine.

 

[vaanrose]

Seeing how this is getting more and more likely, I think it’s time that we should get someone with seemingly more experience to look at this even further.

Sorry vaanrose , but do you mind looking into this?

I'd thought we decided this was too low poly to be a render back when it first dropped. I have nothing else to add.

Each Smash game have a new rendering engine.
Smash Ultimate use a new "light reflecting" rendering engine on its model compared to Smash 4. Giving them a more "pastel" look on lights and sunlight while also giving them a VERY distinguishible white Outline.

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It was also something that was EFFECTIVELY present on the Ken Leaks which is what added to it's weight and why people found it so believable.

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Sadly, the Geno Render have none of it. And it's clear that blurry or not, we would be able to see that white Outline around it's body.

That's what I meant by lack of white Lighting. It's actually an important detail, and no fake image leaks managed to ever reproduce so far.

I will, however, give you guys the proper nomenclature for this. It's called a Fresnel and is actually lighting engine independent and handled by the shader material. Which is why the effect is present across different stages with different lighting and even appears in areas that are in shadow.

 

[Will]

What do you think the final Event will be? Brawl had Mario vs Sonic vs Snake and Sm4sh had Mario vs Sonic vs Megaman vs Pac-Man.

I think it'll be Mario vs Sonic vs Snake vs Simon vs Megaman vs Ryu vs Pac-Man vs Cloud.

You're weak. Do you really think they'd get rid of the old code for good?
Giga Bowser VS Wario-Man VS Giga Mac VS Mega Lucario VS Rathalos VS Dracula VS Metal Face at the same time and they're all on the same team.

 

[Pyra]

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says the person being sarcastic in a 1-to-1 cipher on a board for a platform fighting game featuring nintendo characters

 

[Noipoi]

says the person being sarcastic in a 1-to-1 cipher on a board for a platform fighting game featuring nintendo characters

Hey I never said I wasn't a nerd, but that doesn't mean you guys aren't a buncha nerds.

 

[Luigi The President]

I'd thought we decided this was too low poly to be a render back when it first dropped. I have nothing else to add.



I will, however, give you guys the proper nomenclature for this. It's called a Fresnel and is actually lighting engine independent and handled by the shader material. Which is why the effect is present across different stages with different lighting and even appears in areas that are in shadow.

The belief is that it's an in-game model, taken at some point, probably paused. Not like a render for a splash screen or CSS if that's what you mean.

 

[Pyra]

Hey I never said I wasn't a nerd, but that doesn't mean you guys aren't a buncha nerds.

i'm too cool for you all
SO SAYS A N D R A X I S

 

[Nekoo]

I'd thought we decided this was too low poly to be a render back when it first dropped. I have nothing else to add.



I will, however, give you guys the proper nomenclature for this. It's called a Fresnel and is actually lighting engine independent and handled by the shader material. Which is why the effect is present across different stages with different lighting and even appears in areas that are in shadow.

Ah! Thanks you! Sorry to bother you with this so...do you think Geno is fitting the Ultimate Shading then? I'm just a texturer I'm not into the shading stuff- just did my best to guess

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Anyone good with 3D modeling and knows terms?

Apparently there is an argument that the Geno image is fake because of "the lack of strong Rim Light"

I have no idea what that means, lol

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

All this cryptic code-talking reminds me of something...
4 8 15 16 23 42...

Spoiler

H U R L E Y C O N F I R M E D

 

[Nekoo]

Anyone good with 3D modeling and knows terms?

Apparently there is an argument that the Geno image is fake because of "the lack of strong Rim Light"

I have no idea what that means, lol

Rim light are basically kinda the white Outline that I talked about-

 

[TheMilkmann]

Nothing from the bar other than the NDA agreements?

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

What do you think the final Event will be? Brawl had Mario vs Sonic vs Snake and Sm4sh had Mario vs Sonic vs Megaman vs Pac-Man.

I think it'll be Mario vs Sonic vs Snake vs Simon vs Megaman vs Ryu vs Pac-Man vs Cloud.

I personally feel it will be your choice of character versus a combination of Mario plus all the third party reps (minus echos), all of whom will be on a team together against you, starting at three characters at one time. For example:

Snake, Sonic and Mega Man; knock one out, and Pac-Man shows up, then Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta, Simon and Mario, in that order. Following a similar structure to Smash Wii U's Final FINAL battle, where the third-parties came before Mr. Nintendo himself, and in the case of Ultimate, in order of when they were introduced in Smash.

That's what I'm guessing anyway.

25-15-21 7-21-25-19 1-18-5 14-5-18-4-19

Is it sad that I was able to decipher this fairly quickly?

 

[kylexv]

I'm gone for 12 hours and the thread has gone full decipher mode?

Brings me back to the days when Gravity Falls was still on.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Nothing from the bar other than the NDA agreements?

There was never an NDA, that was just a user here jumping to conclusions. But not being able to videotape/stream does not equal NDA.

 

[Pyra]

I'm gone for 12 hours and the thread has gone full decipher mode?

Brings me back to the days when Gravity Falls was still on.

I'd say it was enough good fun for the thread for a little bit.
Besides the few people who really really wanted to just be angry about it for some reason.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Oh, I just remembered that one KI character did get a Memories post, and it's . That's just backwards...

Honestly, while the lighting looks a bit wonky and makes everything a bit more muted, it doesn't especially look too bad.

Visually, I'm a bit mixed with the new effects on the attacks. Instead of being transparent special effects, they're way more opaque and solid. It feels like Ike's swatting a giant yellow ink-brush through the air a lot of the times. It's not bad, but after Smash 4, I'm going to have to get used to it.

Also, the smoke during knockback. That ****'s kinda gratuitous so if they could just tone it down a tad, I'll be fine.

I don't mind the smoke much, it's almost like seeing a Super Sentai fighting game.

I'm gone for 12 hours and the thread has gone full decipher mode?

Brings me back to the days when Gravity Falls was still on.

Yeah, it's the latest "let's decode supposed leaks even though it's pointless" occurrence. As long as it distracts people away from no news, it's fine.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

I'd say it was enough good fun for the thread for a little bit.
Besides the few people who really really wanted to just be angry about it for some reason.

Some people on these forums remind me of the Hulk. Their secret is they're always angry.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I'm gone for 12 hours and the thread has gone full decipher mode?

Brings me back to the days when Gravity Falls was still on.

Gravity Falls is such an awesome show

Oh, I just remembered that one KI character did get a Memories post, and it's . That's just backwards...

Sakurai made game...not backwards cause he also realized Pittoo wasn’t getting enough love compared to the rest of his children

You're weak. Do you really think they'd get rid of the old code for good?
Giga Bowser VS Wario-Man VS Giga Mac VS Mega Lucario VS Rathalos VS Dracula VS Metal Face at the same time and they're all on the same team.

And you can only play that event using Jigglypuff

 

[Pyra]

Oh, I just remembered that one KI character did get a Memories post, and it's . That's just backwards...



I don't mind the smoke much, it's almost like seeing a Super Sentai fighting game.



Yeah, it's the latest "let's decode supposed leaks even though it's pointless" occurrence. As long as it distracts people away from no news, it's fine.

90% of the stuff in here is pointless.
The theories as well as the people who get on a soap box on top of their high horse to tell people to shut up about the theories.
All just discourse.

Sweet, delicious discourse.

 

[AugustusB]

So should we now look for a "leaked" image with this "white light"?

Alright, that one MUST be the legit leak!

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Smash Ultimate's shading is jank up actually.

There is one with white shading:

To another one with no white shading:

I wish the lighting has been improved in the final build.

 

[Nekoo]

So should we now look for a "leaked" image with this "white light"?

Alright, that one MUST be the legit leak!

The only one we had with it was the Ken one. And guess what?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

It seems like some people on these forums remind me of the Hulk. Their secret is they're always angry.

Honestly, it's more like this thread is pretty good at angering people (especially when Graizen says anything).

Gravity Falls is such an awesome show

Sakurai made game...not backwards cause he also realized Pittoo wasn’t getting enough love compared to the rest of his children

Unfortunately, he still doesn't quite understand that folks don't like him as much as he thinks they do. Either that or the site staff hasn't heard of the first game.

Apart from that, I'll have to see about getting a Gravity Falls box set.

 

[Nekoo]

Smash Ultimate's shading is jank up actually.

There is one with white shading:
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To another one with no white shading:
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I wish the lighting has been improved in the final build.

The White Light appears only in Sunny/Day light stage. I'm sure I wrote this in my analysis

 

[Will]

And you can only play that event using Jigglypuff

Why not Pichu instead?

 

[Pyra]

So should we now look for a "leaked" image with this "white light"?

Alright, that one MUST be the legit leak!

alright onto the next question

 

[Luigi The President]

Smash Ultimate's shading is jank up actually.

There is one with white shading:
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To another one with no white shading:
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I wish the lighting has been improved in the final build.

The only one we had with it was the Ken one. And guess what?

Thoughts on this? Why do some models not have this light while some do? (genuine not trying to be hostile also)

Geno leak still stands, no?

 

[AugustusB]

Smash Ultimate's shading is jank up actually.

There is one with white shading:
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To another one with no white shading:
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I wish the lighting has been improved in the final build.

Thank you for bringing this up! DK had something similar going on with his pictures.

EDIT: This one:

 

[Will]

Smash Ultimate's shading is jank up actually.

There is one with white shading:
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To another one with no white shading:
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I wish the lighting has been improved in the final build.

I actually miss the use of the line thickness setting from the 3DS version. It just felt so ****ing clean on the characters.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Smash Ultimate's shading is jank up actually.

There is one with white shading:
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To another one with no white shading:
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I wish the lighting has been improved in the final build.

Eww.

 

[Nekoo]

Thoughts on this? Why do some models not have this light while some do? (genuine not trying to be hostile also)

Geno leak still stands, no?

Day/ Sunlight stages are the only one with the White outline.

Also for whoever said DK had no Light.

It's here.

 

[Will]

Day/ Sunlight stages are the only one with the White outline.

Also for whoever said DK had no Light.
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It's here.

I mean to be fair you can hardly ****ing see it

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Day/ Sunlight stages are the only one with the White outline.

Also for whoever said DK had no Light.
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It's here.

Wow, his fur looks like ****. Literally.

 

[Nekoo]

Wow, his fur looks like ****. Literally.

First like wood
Now like ****


The DK evolution

 

[AugustusB]

Day/ Sunlight stages are the only one with the White outline.

Also for whoever said DK had no Light.
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It's here.

I should clarify, I meant that some pop more than others do. Yes, DK has it. Its not as prominent as say Mario's or Luigi's.

Also, no attacks here friend. I just want to figure things out as much as everyone else :D

EDIT: So out of curiosity, I am noticing white light is not as prominent on furred characters. Its there, but maybe the light is getting lost in the shading of the fur? Perhaps bouncing around the textures to give us that "natural" lighting?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

First like wood
Now like ****


The DK evolution

Is this how ape evolved into man?

You know, the ****tiest beings out there.

 

[Nekoo]

I should clarify, I meant that some pop more than others do. Yes, DK has it. Its not as prominent as say Mario's or Luigi's.

Also, no attacks here friend. I just want to figure things out as much as everyone else :D

Same
Honestly that Geno Model is 10/10 and would main the **** out of him if it was true! I love it! But I just can't blindly accept it-

Nonetheless Geno is still very likely. I just hope he look like that rather than the ****ty leaks from last week

 

[Will]

Is this how ape evolved into man?

You know, the ****tiest beings out there.

Nah that would be dung beetles and tapeworms.

 

[joshoctober16]

first time i seen a 2d sprite for somthing close in the background in this game i think... just pointing it out , also for the geno render so call leak , can any one post any character on the stage geno is on? (its eather the mario or zelda one.) then we can realy be sure.