Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[P.Kat]

If you had to add characters originating from the major consoles not represented in Smash (original Xbox, PS2, XBO, PS4), who would they be

Amaterasu, it also helps that she's been on most consoles since 2006

 

[Megadoomer]

Not sure if this has been talked about. Possible this could come alongside a n64 vc with a popular n64 character reveal. Banjo?

It does get me wondering if Nintendo would be able to get 15 or 20 major titles without Rare involved, given that third party support for the N64 was quite low. Smash, Mario 64, the two Zeldas, and Star Fox 64 are obvious, but without Rare, what other major games could they include?

Other games that come to mind are DK64, Kirby 64, F-Zero X, and one of the Mario Parties, likely 2 or 3.

 

[Will]

So acording to the leaks we're getting all this in the same game

Okay, this is epic.

Okay and Sora is from what now?

 

[Starbound]

Why Lara though?

Also, watch as it's Crono
in my dreams

What the **** is an Helios One

According to Google, it's from Fallout.

 

[Dee Dude]

So acording to the leaks we're getting all this in the same game

Okay, this is epic.

Replace Steve with Banjo or hell, anyone else and then it’s epic, I’d be ultimately (no punintendo) satisfied.

 

[Exalt4747]

I mean, they're not wrong though I have a hard time seeing her getting in. It's orobably because I'm biased towards RPGs and that's what I think of when Sqaure is the subject, and I'd much rather have a classic FF character(be it Black Mage, Cecil or Celes) or my boy Crono.

This. My mind really does not register Lara as a "Square Enix character" and I'd much rather more jrpg rep.

 

[Will]

It does get me wondering if Nintendo would be able to get 15 or 20 major titles without Rare involved, given that third party support for the N64 was quite low. Smash, Mario 64, the two Zeldas, and Star Fox 64 are obvious, but without Rare, what other major games could they include?

Don't forget Nintendo's right hand man Ubisoft.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Okay and Sora is from what now?

Check the image

He deleted the tweet shortly afterwards.

 

[Pakky]

Spoiler: Captain Syrup Moveset pic Originally by: Screwloose Studios

A little / and a dab of

 

[MysticKnives]

Regardless of whether or not this is fake, if you showed it to me a year ago I would have blocked you

It’s a pretty meh list imo.

 

[Starbound]

Because countless people in this thread have been insisting Lara Croft is a gaming icon and I'd probably be shot if she wasn't on this list due to this threads recent obsession with her.

Why do you not think Tomb Raider is a gaming icon?

Genuine question because all the evidence puts it up there with Zelda and Final Fantasy.

 

[Mc.Rad]

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/HELIOS_One

I was right, HELIOS is in all caps. So this one’s dead on arrival

(Also I need to get back to FNV sometime...)

Not the fact that it's a New Vegas stage and that Todd hates New Vegas?

 

[Will]

Check the image

Did you miss how we all unanimously said this was nothing?
This ain't a yikes. This is a zoinks from me.

 

[Aurane]

What the **** is an Helios One

The Helios One power plant. Its from Fallout: New Vegas. That alone proves to me that its fake.

 

[Deleted member]

It does get me wondering if Nintendo would be able to get 15 or 20 major titles without Rare involved, given that third party support for the N64 was quite low. Smash, Mario 64, the two Zeldas, and Star Fox 64 are obvious, but without Rare, what other major games could they include?

F-Zero X, perhaps? DK 64 also seems possible seeing as how they re-released in on Wii U VC. But dang, trying to come up with a good 15 games without Rare is hard. Superman 64 should be in easy.

 

[Mc.Rad]

Regardless of whether or not this is fake, if you showed it to me a year ago I would have blocked you

I still would have blocked them even now

 

[Pyra]

It’s a pretty meh list imo.

I'm pretty much able to be excited by most of them tbh
Just... would be too weird
Though I'm on team "the game could release with only the characters we know and I'd be happy"

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

And I weird or do people not actually play competitively to have fun? Casual and competitive are just two different ways to have fun, are they not?

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Yes, but from a beginner perspective, getting rekt constantly may not be fun to many. You have to get rekt or lose to improve and many doesn't have that mentality. It's when you reach certain understanding of the game fundamentals along with acquiring knowledge on self improvement when it becomes fun as you can understand options. Other Fighting games; this should already be expected by beginners or even casuals that they will get rekt and must self-improve or practice to get better. Smash is different; smash has a much wider audience that comes with many not knowing the expectations that comes with fighting games (niche genre again). So yes, competitive is fun; losing is not fun (to most) but there is always knowledge to be learned as to why you loss and how to improve. Beginners has to first learn the fundamentals and basics to even begin to improve. This has always been the biggest barrier of entry. Yes, Smash is simplistic in terms of buttons, but you will still get rekt just as easily if your a beginner like in other fighters.

 

[Potato_]

Not the fact that it's a New Vegas stage and that Todd hates New Vegas?

This was the exact thing I mentioned when I first saw it. No way they don't pick a stage from 3 or 4.

 

[Luigi The President]

Lemme piece together what it seems each Square Enix rep in the running has going for them.

Spoiler: Geno

Mii Costume in Smash 4, almost certainly due to fan demand. Even his song came along for the trailer. Received a Splash Screen.
Sakurai has discussed his own want for Geno in Smash.
Indisputably a king of the fandom, has been for a long, long time. The Big 3 don't really exist, I've learned, but if there were a big 5 overall? Geno's in there.
Likely much easier to negotiate to include in the game due to Squenix's disinterest in him
Huge Nintendo relevance as he's only appeared in Mario games

Spoiler: Sora

Huge icon of gaming
Decently requested. Not a frontrunner by any means until recent months, but requested.
Popular character in America and Japan.
Some Nintendo relevance as a good few of his games have been on consoles.

Spoiler: Lara Croft

Long-time famous character
Nintendo relevance, her older games were on Nintendo consoles
Again, very iconic and popular (at least in the West; unsure of Japan)

Spoiler: DQ Rep

Dragon Quest is a very popular and long-running, relevant franchise
Nintendo relevance; a lot of DQ games are on Nintendo consoles.
Likely a great deal of moveset potential

I also see Neku and Crono around.
Neku has Nintendo relevance and good moveset potential.
Crono also has great Nintendo relevance and is a pretty iconic character of gaming history.

But yea. I see those as the main 4 contenders, and I wanted to bring Neku and Crono too.

Apologies if any of this is ignorant. Only pieced together what my knowledge of each reps' virtues are.

Let me know how you guys feel. Who's in?

(Important to note: Sora's status as a Squenix rep is debatable.)

 

[Deleted member]

Don't forget Nintendo's right hand man Ubisoft.

It'd be worth including Buck Bumble just for the title screen theme.

 

[Luigi The President]

Why do you not think Tomb Raider is a gaming icon?

Genuine question because all the evidence puts it up there with Zelda and Final Fantasy.

I likely sounded dismissive. I fully agree that Tomb Raider is a gaming icon.
My point was that her prominence here was very sudden and out of nowhere, that's all.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Did you miss how we all unanimously said this was nothing?
This ain't a yikes. This is a zoinks from me.

>asks if Sora is in Smash
>"yes"
>tweet is then deleted
>this doesn't mean anything
*takes out camera*
Okay, hold still for just a brief moment...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I saw a leak on fireden with buck bumble earlier but didn’t think it was worth sharing, it was 99% of the samey safe bets stuff

 

[Luigi The President]

>asks if Sora is in Smash
>"yes"
>tweet is then deleted
>this doesn't mean anything
*takes out camera*
Okay, hold still for just a brief moment...

How about YOU hold still for a brief moment for not even considering the NDA violations this would cause.

 

[Pyra]

>asks if Sora is in Smash
>"yes"
>tweet is then deleted
>this doesn't mean anything
*takes out camera*
Okay, hold still for just a brief moment...

You gonna turn it on yourself when it turns out it meant nothing?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Let’s all try and support Lara Croft for Smash

Because there's no way any of those people could be lying. It all must be real. And Isaac still doesn't have a damn beard.

Believable enough for me...just needs Lara Croft

 

[Will]

Spoiler: 15 N64 games for N64 classic

1. Super Mario 64
2. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Zelda: Majora's Mask
4. StarFox 64
5. Kirby and the Crystal Shards
6. Pokemon Stadium
7. F-Zero X
8. Wave Racer 64
9. 1080 Snowboard Racing
10. Donkey Kong 64
11. Dr. Mario 64 (underrated classic imo)
12. Pokemon Snap
13. Mario Party 2
14. Bomberman 64
15. unironically buck bumble **** you

Well that was easy @Tougon

>asks if Sora is in Smash
>"yes"
>tweet is then deleted
>this doesn't mean anything
*takes out camera*
Okay, hold still for just a brief moment...

>forgetting NDA
hold on fam, let me get this mirror for you.

 

[Starbound]

Geno:
Huge Nintendo relevance as he's only appeared in Mario games

I'm not sure how a character from a single SNES game in the 90s and a minor, totally optional, cameo in the 2000s has "huge Nintendo relevance".

The way I see the order is: Lara > Agnes = Sora = Erdrick > FF character > Neku > Chrono > Geno

 

[monadoboy]

Any """"""""""leak"""""""""" that is taken with an ancient camera running on a potato battery and also with the worst angle one could possibly take a picture at should be immediately disregarded.

That was one of the reasons people thought the ESRB leak was fake, tho.

 

[Dee Dude]

So...Sora accidentally confirmed or what?

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm not sure how a character from a single SNES game in the 90s and a minor, totally optional, cameo in the 2000s has "huge Nintendo relevance".

The way I see the order is: Lara > Agnes = Sora = Erdrick > FF character > Neku > Chrono > Geno

Because he's literally only appeared in games published by Nintendo on Nintendo consoles.
I'm not sure how you can get more Nintendo relevant than that.

 

[P.Kat]

So we got 4 Square Enix contenders from what it seems.

Geno vs. Erdrick(?) vs. Lara Croft and, debatably, vs. Sora.

I say Terra is safe contender for the Square Enix slot too.

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler: 15 N64 games for N64 classic

1. Super Mario 64
2. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Zelda: Majora's Mask
4. StarFox 64
5. Kirby and the Crystal Shards
6. Pokemon Stadium
7. F-Zero X
8. Wave Racer 64
9. 1080 Snowboard Racing
10. Donkey Kong 64
11. Dr. Mario 64 (underrated classic imo)
12. Pokemon Snap
13. Mario Party 2
14. Bomberman 64
15. unironically buck bumble **** you

Well that was easy @Tougon


>forgetting NDA
hold on fam, let me get this mirror for you.

Holy **** how did I forget Mario Party, Pokemon Stadium, and Kirby?

Also we're both forgetting Mario Kart 64, which seems like a no-brainer.

 

[Will]

So...Sora accidentally confirmed or what?

Nope, this thing has happened before and people refuse to learn.

Holy **** how did I forget Mario Party, Pokemon Stadium, and Kirby?

Also we're both forgetting Mario Kart 64, which seems like a no-brainer.

I'm concerned about how many games we would get in an N64 classic period, and how much it would cost. Ninty prices n64 games higher than before.

 

[Megadoomer]

I'm not sure how a character from a single SNES game in the 90s and a minor, totally optional, cameo in the 2000s has "huge Nintendo relevance".

The way I see the order is: Lara > Agnes = Sora = Erdrick > FF character > Neku > Chrono > Geno

At least with Geno, we have direct quotes from Sakurai saying that he's wanted to include the character since Brawl.

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016...ans-one-most-requested-smash-bros-characters/

That's more than what we have to go on for most characters.

 

[lightdrago]

>asks if Sora is in Smash
>"yes"
>tweet is then deleted
>this doesn't mean anything
*takes out camera*
Okay, hold still for just a brief moment...

I suggest you take a selfie with that camera instead...

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Spoiler: 15 N64 games for N64 classic

1. Super Mario 64
2. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Zelda: Majora's Mask
4. StarFox 64
5. Kirby and the Crystal Shards
6. Pokemon Stadium
7. F-Zero X
8. Wave Racer 64
9. 1080 Snowboard Racing
10. Donkey Kong 64
11. Dr. Mario 64 (underrated classic imo)
12. Pokemon Snap
13. Mario Party 2
14. Bomberman 64
15. unironically buck bumble **** you

Well that was easy @Tougon


>forgetting NDA
hold on fam, let me get this mirror for you.

Impressed that you didn’t add Smash 64, Paper Mario, or Mario Kart

 

[Exalt4747]

I'm going to need much stronger evidence to believe Sora is in.

 

[Aurane]

It makes me laugh that they tried to convince us that we were getting a New Vegas stage.

That's less likely than Vault Boy being playable.