Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[MSmariosonic]

Who are everyone's current top 3 most wanted characters?

1. Heihachi Mishima
2. Tails
3. Chun-Li

 

[7982Brick]

I definitely get where you're coming from. ( also you just reminded me that people requested a Chocobo for Smash back in the day, huh)
Yeah, it's undeniable that the Chorus Kids are definitely more suited for marketing and that Karate Joe definitely holds more importance over them and any other possible character.
And yeah, I'm not exactly sure on how people would feel about them if they were the only RH character for the series over Karate Joe unless they would be able to reference the other games. Which they probably lend themselves to more imo.

However, their popularity or appearance isn't the reason why I think that the Chorus Kids are going to get in.
It's the fact that they're listed on Gematsu and are practically unnamed in their own game.
It's not an obvious choice for Sakurai or anyone else to make. Sure, it's not impossible, but just unlikely. After all, back during Smash 4 days immediately after E3, I saw a lot of reactions to the Gematsu leak like "Where the hell do you even pull the Chorus Kids from? Who would even choose that?" Especially with people familiar with RH, I saw people say maybe they confused them with Marshal or that Karate Joe would have to be it.

Like for instance, even you and some other members of the forum said that you think Karate Joe would be the RH character and others I've seen mention the Tap-Trial Girl.
But no one really visualizes or discusses them, so I feel like it would have to be them.

I mean if they get in and Karate Joe doesn't get something outside of a basic trophy, that's a travesty.

I always hypothesized that the reason the chorus kids were cut from smash4/5 was because of the 3ds not powerful system. If Sakurai wasn't making a 3ds smash game I guarantee that the chorus kids would have been in smash Wii u alongside ice climbers. I remember a leaker mentioned that they saw a 3d model of the chorus kids so they probably were cut later on. I think that Sakurai could revisit the idea of the chorus kids for ultimate. Plus a rhythm heaven game was released in 2015 which was the year the project plan was finalized for ultimate. All I can say is the stars might a line but we don't always know. I'm 50/50 on chorus kids but they aren't impossible to imagine being in Smash.

 

[Polan]

Yeah... Skull Kid wasn't talked about until RelaxAlax Brought up the chairs... he wasn't even popular in the ballot. So my recommendation is.. if you see a leak with Skull kid, Ignore it. It's probably fake.

(No offense Skull Kid fans, I just don't see it happening...)

no offense but this is like the mother of all dumb takes, on a thread where dumb takes are plentiful. like...go through any nintendo forum and tell me to my face that skull kid is a bandwagon character that no one cared about and wanted in smash about till a random youtuber mentioned him.

 

[Suspicious Squirtle]

No lie, true story.

I legitimately voted for Cranky Kong in the Smash Ballot thinking “You know what? Why not just have Cranky as the 3rd DK character just cause?”

Don't feel bad. I voted for Birdo during the Smash Ballot. However, now I'd love Birdo to be an assist trophy since I don't know how she would work as a playable character (echo or unique).

 

[Pakky]

I think a majority of people who aren't super invested in DK or Smash would make the same mistake.

Not helping that Nintendo themselves hadn't used him in a decade.

Just saying it's not that hard to look things up...

 

[PlasmaDam]

Guys has Ghirahim been confromied as a assist trophy yet or naw

 

[Deleted member]

Alax, Rogersbase, and kinda Shofu are YouTube clowns.

Harsh?

Perhaps but hmmm.


Rogerbase-

Not picking on him but if you aren't well researched DON'T WASTE MY TIME


The two have been suspect for various things similar to this.


Shout out to @papagenos you're doing real work, keep it up.

I'll give Roger the benefit of the doubt since he at least knew about the Mario Sluggers appearances, but he'll catch a L regardless.

Alax still says K. Rool is owned by Rare, that's enough to tell you how knowledgeable he is lmao

If anything, you gotta respect shofu. He really isn't about that leak life and only does a video on one if it's mostly confirmed. Other than that, he gets a pass.

 

[WaddleMatt]

others I've seen mention the Tap-Trial Girl.

This is the Rhythm Heaven character I want the most. I think the reason she isn't talked about is because most people haven't played a game in the franchise so latch on to the Chorus Kids because of Gematsu or Karate Joe since he is a fighter. Tap-Trial Girl could have a dance based moveset which is what draws me to her as a unique fighter.

 

[Pyra]

no offense but this is like the mother of all dumb takes, on a thread where dumb takes are plentiful. like...go through any nintendo forum and tell me to my face that skull kid is a bandwagon character that no one cared about and wanted in smash about till a random youtuber mentioned him.

Normally I'd say something like "yo chill wtf" but uh


you right

 

[Shroob]

no offense but this is like the mother of all dumb takes, on a thread where dumb takes are plentiful. like...go through any nintendo forum and tell me to my face that skull kid is a bandwagon character that no one cared about and wanted in smash about till a random youtuber mentioned him.

His populariy soared to high heaven after 8.8 and Loz18. As soon as people saw the Moon being separate, it made Skull Kid's popularity soar.

He's always been popular, but nowhere near as crazy as he was after 8.8

 

[MSmariosonic]

Guys has Ghirahim been confromied as a assist trophy yet or naw

Yes he's back to reprise his role from Smash 4

 

[Deleted member]

Zelda is one of the top 3 IPs that Nintendo has. I'd be willing to bet money that not only will they get a new rep, but that rep will definitely be unique; they won't receive just an Echo for this game. As to who that rep is? It's a toss up. Skull Kid is likely, but so is one of the Heroes of Breath of the Wild as that came out and just exploded in popularity due to how good it was. It brought a ton of people who had never played a Zelda in their lives onto the series.

 

[Shroob]

Just saying it's not that hard to look things up...

Do research? And miss out on that timely specific ad-revenue?

Perish the thought.

 

[PlasmaDam]

You guys think they can make assist trophy into actually fighters

 

[Suspicious Squirtle]

Who are everyone's current top 3 most wanted characters?

Mine are

1. Banjo-Kazooie
2. Black Shadow
3. Medusa

1. Dixie Kong
2. Crash Bandicoot
3. Hyrule Warriors Impa
Honorable Mention - Cooking Mama

 

[PlasmaDam]

Like maybe do a smash ballot for assist trophys so that can become playable

 

[Pakky]

I'll give Roger the benefit of the doubt since he at least knew about the Mario Sluggers appearances, but he'll catch a L regardless.

Alax still says K. Rool is owned by Rare, that's enough to tell you how knowledgeable he is lmao

If anything, you gotta respect shofu. He really isn't about that leak life and only does a video on one if it's mostly confirmed. Other than that, he gets a pass.

Alax catches six Ls for dissing BWD.

Shofu and Rogerbase, lowkey keeps up bull**** with Verslify which is so odd because he doesn't even seem to acknowledge either to much...

I mean dislike, who you dislike but to be an advocate against drama and then make a music video about someone to cause drama is...

Oh then defend your reasons for making said video by saying that it was a leftover track?

Alright, bruh unsubbed.

 

[Will]

You guys think they can make assist trophy into actually fighters

depends on what you mea-

Like maybe do a smash ballot for assist trophys so that can become playable

no

 

[Cap’nKazam]

Zelda is one of the top 3 IPs that Nintendo has. I'd be willing to bet money that not only will they get a new rep, but that rep will definitely be unique; they won't receive just an Echo for this game. As to who that rep is? It's a toss up. Skull Kid is likely, but so is one of the Heroes of Breath of the Wild as that came out and just exploded in popularity due to how good it was. It brought a ton of people who had never played a Zelda in their lives onto the series.

Since the roster was finalized in '15, it seems unlikely a Champion will be part of the base roster (very likely DLC though, I would think). I think the competition right now looks to be between Skull Kid, Tetra/Toon Zelda, Impa, and possibly Hilda and Tingle. Given that Zelda hasn't had a unique newcomer since Melee, I'm kind of hopeful we could get as many as a unique fighter and a couple echoes. Or, we may get nothing. Fingers crossed!

 

[Deleted member]

His populariy soared to high heaven after 8.8 and Loz18. As soon as people saw the Moon being separate, it made Skull Kid's popularity soar.

He's always been popular, but nowhere near as crazy as he was after 8.8

Now you're backtracking. You said he wasn't popular until recently.

 

[Just a random scrub]

Guys has Ghirahim been confromied as a assist trophy yet or naw

According to Smashwiki, he's been seen as an Assist Trophy. Sorry, man.

EDIT: 'd

 

[Chrono.]

Of course Skull Kid support blew up more after the Direct.

He was already a popular character and the minute it looks like he might have a chance to make it, of course his fanbase was gonna get vocal because what else do you expect? This isn't even taking into account that the other popular Zelda choices that aren't Impa are in other spots, or even that fact that the MM remake that people were asking for ever since OoT3D finally came out in 2015. Saying this is just bandwagoning is kinda silly.

By that logic just about every popular character that seems to have a decent shot is just a fan bandwagon. Shadow, Isabelle, Ken, Isaac, Lloyd, Elma, Shantae, the list goes on.

 

[Pyra]

You guys think they can make assist trophy into actually fighters

A little theory of mine (and apparently some other people who put more effort into turning it into a graphical representation) was that all the "realizable" (so not like Andross or something) assist trophies could be playable at a lower level than the normal fighters. As in, a character called "Assist Trophy". You pick the assist trophy you want to play as like you pick a mii.

The way it works in my head is that they don't necessarily have special moves- their neutral B would be whatever "special" thing they do as a trophy, but otherwise they are primarily a A button fighter. This is to hammer home that they aren't full fighters, so you need to complain about it as loud as you can on your forum of choice.

Their final smash is summoning all the "non-realizable" assist trophies on screen at once.


No, it won't happen lol.

 

[Shroob]

Now you're backtracking. You said he wasn't popular until recently.

He's always been popular, I never denied that, but due to his status as an Assist Trophy, he had no presence whatsoever on the Smash Ballot for obvious reasons.

His popularity exploded after 8.8.


There's no backtracking here.

 

[PlasmaDam]

Maybe it just me but i dont wont impa in smash she just seems boring to me like there are others better loz rep like Linkle Ghirahim and maybe skull kid

 

[L9999]

Who are everyone's current top 3 most wanted characters?

Mine are

1. Banjo-Kazooie
2. Black Shadow
3. Medusa

1. Ayumi Tachibana
2. Agnès Oblige
3. Mipha

Opinions constantly change. Rex was once seen as likely, then Elma was seen as likely, and now people assume no Xenoblade characters will be added because we're only getting ballot choices.

Or they could add both. I guess that never crossed their minds.

 

[Polan]

Of course Skull Kid support blew up more after the Direct.

He was already a popular character and the minute it looks like he might have a chance to make it, of course his fanbase was gonna get vocal because what else do you expect? This isn't even taking into account that the other popular Zelda choices that aren't Impa are in other spots, or even that fact that the MM remake that people were asking for ever since OoT3D finally came out in 2015. Saying this is just bandwagoning is kinda silly.

By that logic just about every popular character that seems to have a decent shot is just a fan bandwagon. Shadow, Isabelle, Ken, Isaac, Lloyd, Elma, Shantae, the list goes on.

people discussing a character

Smashboards: Is this a bandwagon?

 

[Pyra]

2. Agnès Oblige

Welp.

Guess I gotta add another person I forgot to my list of characters I want.

 

[?????????????]

Like for instance, even you and some other members of the forum said that you think Karate Joe would be the RH character and others I've seen mention the Tap-Trial Girl.
But no one really visualizes or discusses them, so I feel like it would have to be them.

Oh, you mean implementation and moveset-wise? I’ve thought about that!

Obviously, the concept behind Joe is rhythmic combo-ing, which could be a part of any Rhythm Heaven character.

His basic combo is a simple punch, but if you do it twice and then a third punch at the same tempo of the first two, you do a much more powerful third punch. This is a reference to Joe’s 3-Hit Combo from Rhythm Heaven.

His Forward Tilt is a roundhouse kick, like the type he uses in Rhythm Heaven games. It’s much more powerful if you do a simple punch first; a “Punch-Kick” combo.

Those are the only specifics I’ve ironed out, but everything follows that pattern with the basic moves, which also include Joe’s sweep kick and uppercut.

Meanwhile, Joe’s Smash Attacks, Specials, and possibly Aerials are moves that reference other Rhythm Heaven characters/games, which I think could be accomplished by any RH character.

However, one of Joe’s combos is stronger and does more knock back than his Smash Attacks.

That’s what I’ve thought of.

 

[Just a random scrub]

Since the roster was finalized in '15, it seems unlikely a Champion will be part of the base roster (very likely DLC though, I would think). I think the competition right now looks to be between Skull Kid, Tetra/Toon Zelda, Impa, and possibly Hilda and Tingle. Given that Zelda hasn't had a unique newcomer since Melee, I'm kind of hopeful we could get as many as a unique fighter and a couple echoes. Or, we may get nothing. Fingers crossed!

Tingle's been deconfirmed. He is still a stage element in Great Bay; unlike the other characters spotted in the backgrounds of stages, Tingle actually affects Great Bay gameplay, by acting as a platform, and no character in the Zelda franchise could possibly replicate his function.

Thank god.

 

[Shroob]

Of course Skull Kid support blew up more after the Direct.

He was already a popular character and the minute it looks like he might have a chance to make it, of course his fanbase was gonna get vocal because what else do you expect? This isn't even taking into account that the other popular Zelda choices that aren't Impa are in other spots, or even that fact that the MM remake that people were asking for ever since OoT3D finally came out in 2015. Saying this is just bandwagoning is kinda silly.

By that logic just about every popular character that seems to have a decent shot is just a fan bandwagon. Shadow, Isabelle, Ken, Isaac, Lloyd, Elma, Shantae, the list goes on.

Let's be ****ing honest.


I HIGHLY doubt people would be clamoring for Isabelle were it not for Verg.


I still see soo many people argue against her with the "She's a pacifist!" argument. She's basically the 'Shulk' of Gematsu, where people just 'expect' it to happen at this point.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Maybe it just me but i dont wont impa in smash she just seems boring to me like there are others better loz rep like Linkle Ghirahim and maybe skull kid

I feel like the word "boring" is thrown around too much these days.

She'd most likely be an echo fighter of Sheik so I don't see how she'd be more "boring" than any other echo fighter at that point

 

[Wyoming]

I got a Switch a few days ago bundled with Odyssey, and now I want a Smash demo so badly lol.

Odyssey's incredible. It has the same aura that Galaxy had for me. Not as spectacular, but equally as fun. Lake Kingdom is my favourite thus far (only did Cascade, Wooded, and Sand though). Pretty visuals and rife with exploration.

 

[Buzzwole]

Like maybe do a smash ballot for assist trophys so that can become playable

No.
I think they think long and hard about who will be a fighter and who will be an assist trophy. Their decisions have already been made.

I think bothering them about making a character playable when they already serve a role in the game is probably annoying to the devs.

 

[Pyra]

I got a Switch a few days ago bundled with Odyssey, and now I want a Smash demo so badly lol.

Odyssey's incredible. It has the same aura that Galaxy had for me. Not as spectacular, but equally as fun. Lake Kingdom is my favourite thus far (only did Cascade, Wooded, and Sand though). Pretty visuals and rife with exploration.

I went through that game going "man this would be a cool Smash stage setting"
ESPECIALLY one kingdom in particular towards the end, hoooo boy

 

[Will]

I got a Switch a few days ago bundled with Odyssey, and now I want a Smash demo so badly lol.

Odyssey's incredible. It has the same aura that Galaxy had for me. Not as spectacular, but equally as fun. Lake Kingdom is my favourite thus far (only did Cascade, Wooded, and Sand though). Pretty visuals and rife with exploration.

I did the same, but I got more out of Zelda than I did Odyssey.

 

[PlasmaDam]

You know what funny about a year ago people hated clones in the smashboards but now that they are called echo fighters now everyone wants more of them

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Why the hell does it matter if a charcter’s popularity is “bandwagon” ? If it will satisfy a lot of people why does it matter?

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

people discussing a character

Smashboards: Is this a bandwagon?

4Chan users claiming their Dads work at Nintendo

Smashboards: Is this a leak?

 

[Will]

You know what funny about a year ago people hated clones in the smashboards but now that they are called echo fighters now everyone wants more of them

That's because of 3 reasons:
1. People now can't blame them as an excuse for "stealing a slot" because every veteran is back and Sakurai told them in their face that they took less development time, so if they did it now they'd be ignorant.
2. People are desperate at this point for some of their wants (i.e. Dixie Kong)
3. Branding makes people bend to your will.