Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

HOW ARE they so FAST? It's great they're restoring stuff quickly, but damn, I'm incredibly jealous.

Brah, you don’t even know.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...one-week-after-giant-sinkhole-appears/8028756

 

[staindgrey]

Today I think

No, it just says that it's been postponed and that we'll know the rescheduled date later.

 

[?????????????]

Shhhhhh I put nothing here. Especially nothing contradictory to something I was replying to.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/nintendo_direct/20180907/index.html

Just the announcement of the delay in Japanese and attributing said delay to the earthquake. No mention of an exact date for the delayed direct to air.

Edit: that dern stooped unicorn google translated beat me to it.

 

[monadoboy]

There’s something wrong with you

That sounds kinda rude.
Him being the most wanted doesn't change my stance on him at all. Do you like every single top charting song? Books like Twilight and 50 Shades?

 

[JayPercent]

I don't speak Japanese, but Google Translate give us enough info.

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Reminder that because of timezones, September 7th would've been the date in Japan when the Direct was aired, had it not been delayed.

My bad, I saw that it was updated but forgot to translate it before I posted it. Sorry.

 

[MojoRobo]

....Also, just to get it off my chest.

When someone tells me they don't like a character I like, that's fine. It's their opinion, and it doesn't bother me.

When someone tells me a character I like is BAD, it feels like a personal attack. Like my preferences are worthless.

You care too much about what others think, imho

 

[Aurane]

....Also, just to get it off my chest.

When someone tells me they don't like a character I like, that's fine. It's their opinion, and it doesn't bother me.

When someone tells me a character I like is BAD, it feels like a personal attack. Like my preferences are worthless.

That sort of thing never really bothers me. A person will think what they will, and not everyone is reasonable.

Except when they say Toon Link is better than Young Link.

Like shut the heck up. I'll murder you in your dragon boat and shove that baton right up your Wind Waker.

 

[Rasumii]

Decidueye is my personal preference, though I don't mind Lycanroc or Tapu Koko either.

Personally, I'd rather get no new Pokemon newcomer. I just expect one.

 

[?????????????]

You care too much about what others think, imho

No, it's not that. I care about establishing a community and society where people are respectful.

 

[MojoRobo]

That sort of thing never really bothers me. A person will think what they will, and not everyone is reasonable.

Except when they say Toon Link is better than Young Link.

Like shut the heck up. I'll murder you in your dragon boat and shove that baton right up your Wind Waker.

Please don't make me think about sounding, it's too early for this.

No, it's not that. I care about establishing a community and society where people are respectful.

Do you feel the same way when people say a show you like is bad?

 

[monadoboy]

....Also, just to get it off my chest.

When someone tells me they don't like a character I like, that's fine. It's their opinion, and it doesn't bother me.

When someone tells me a character I like is BAD, it feels like a personal attack. Like my preferences are worthless.

I hate it so much when people treat hating on Corrin in Smash like gospel.
"no OnE AsKed for CorRinnN"
Except that I literally voted for Fates characters in the ballot. Why can't I have fun?

 

[Schnee117]

HOW ARE they so FAST? It's great they're restoring stuff quickly, but damn, I'm incredibly jealous.

They live on some particularly nasty fault lines so they kinda have to be efficient when dealing with Earthquakes. They have plenty of things in place to minimize potential damage and loss of life.
A competent government helps as well of course.

 

[Michele]

Hey, I am back. I had to do some last summer homework. Man, they are so annoying. I'm going to do the 3rd middle school, and along with that my exams, hence my age.

I hate it so much when people treat hating on Corrin in Smash like gospel.
"no OnE AsKed for CorRinnN"
Except that I literally voted for Fates characters in the ballot. Why can't I have fun?

Agreed. To be honest, I don't understand the hate for Corrin. I always see everyone hating on him.

 

[Aurane]

Please don't make me think about sounding, it's too early for this.

It keeps me up at night. What does the Wind Waker sound like when its shoved up someone's ass. Its a mystery, fam.

 

[staindgrey]

....Also, just to get it off my chest.

When someone tells me they don't like a character I like, that's fine. It's their opinion, and it doesn't bother me.

When someone tells me a character I like is BAD, it feels like a personal attack. Like my preferences are worthless.

Two of my favorite games I've ever played are Resident Evil 5 and Dragon Age 2, commonly heralded by their respective communities as The Worst Ones™. I weirdly take a certain pride in liking what they've dismissed, like taking in a dog from the pound, but at the same time, being actively told to your face that "the thing you like is objectively bad" never feels good.

Like, **** you, I know what I like.

 

[MojoRobo]

It keeps me up at night. What does the Wind Waker sound like when its shoved up someone's ***. Its a mystery, fam.

You misunderstand what I mean, but you're lucky for that.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

I think Incineroar has an ugly design, I wish it stayed on all fours for its final evolution.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

It keeps me up at night. What does the Wind Waker sound like when its shoved up someone's ***. Its a mystery, fam.

The Song of Passing?

 

[Sharkarat]

Man, I don't want to go on a full scale rant about Incineroar since I know it has fans, but it's easily one of the weakest designs in a long time from my perspective. They tried to pull the "Animal X Human Fighter Class" strategy that worked for Greninja or Decidueye but failed to do so properly. The reason that type of design worked for Greninja and Decidueye is because they drew interesting parallels between the two things they were combining. For example, Greninja highlighted the similarity in stance between a Ninja and a Frog and the similar shape and color of a long frog's tongue and a dramatic ninja scarf. Incineroar just slapped some tiger biology on top of the body of a human wrestler. The belt feels slapped on simply for the sake of saying "look he's a fire type" and draws none of the interesting parallels between, say, and owl's wing and an archer's bow.

And that's just commenting on the actual physical design and not other issues like the lack of any logical leadup to Incineroar in the evolution line or the fact that his name feels awkward and out of place because it fails to follow the normal conventions for Pokemon with portmanteau names.

Part of the problem that the tiger/wrestler connection seems really random if you don't know about Tiger Mask (Wrestling manga with real wrestler also using the name).
Knowing the wrestler part isn't is arbritrary I think the Championship belt follows up fine from Torracat's Bell.
I'm not sure what you mean about the name.

 

[Enchess]

I hate it so much when people treat hating on Corrin in Smash like gospel.
"no OnE AsKed for CorRinnN"
Except that I literally voted for Fates characters in the ballot. Why can't I have fun?

That's how I am with the "nobody wanted Shulk in". My most wanted at the start of Smash4 speculation were 1)Shulk,2)Ridley,3)K Rool,4)Isaac,5)Tom Nook. Shulk is the only of my top 5 most wanted who made it in.

 

[Arcadenik]

The sad thing about that is whatever the Pokemon newcomer is, it probably won't be possible to get one in Let's Go because they're only using the original 150. Not unless the newcomer is an alolan form.

Alolan Meowth would be fantastic. I’ll even take it!

 

[staindgrey]

You misunderstand what I mean, but you're lucky for that.

I understood what you meant.

And I really wish I didn't.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I hate it so much when people treat hating on Corrin in Smash like gospel.
"no OnE AsKed for CorRinnN"
Except that I literally voted for Fates characters in the ballot. Why can't I have fun?

I like Corrin.

 

[Michele]

I like Corrin.

Then you're going to be swarmed by FE haters.

Most of them hate Corrin, and wished he would disappear in Ultimate. Seriously, I have one thing to say to them:

Why do you hate Corrin?

 

[?????????????]

Do you feel the same way when people say a show you like is bad?

Hmm...that's tough to say. I don't watch many shows.

This might be the bigger issue on this one to me; I don't care about "shows" as much, so I don't frequent online forums for them. If I have a friend in real life and I'm like, "I like this show!" and they're like, "that shows sucks!" I can just be like "Awwww, c'mon man!" And then we'd have a discussion about the show where we probably don't change our opinions, but we understand why we HAVE them.

However, on the Internet, it seems like people are less afraid of social context in this way. They can be as abrasive and inconsiderate as they want because they aren't face-to-face, so they don't have to face any "real" social repercussions.

I simply disagree. I believe that the person behind the computer is the same as the person in "real life," so I want to see people treat it that way and learn to use better social tact when having an online discussion.

Maybe I'm foistering my beliefs here too hard, but I believe our biggest problems as a species are social and we will only overcome that obstacle through respectful idealogy, as opposed to treating anyone else with a differing opinion as "an idiot."

 

[LetterO]

Hey, I am back. I had to do some last summer homework. Man, they are so annoying. I'm going to do the 3rd middle school, and along with that my exams, hence my age.



Agreed. To be honest, I don't understand the hate for Corrin. I always see everyone hating on him.

For me, it was more the anger of having this effort into this character put into another FE character just for advertisment and not another fan favorite such as bringing back Wolf or giving us K. Rool. I was really hoping he be cut next.

Of course, now that Everyone Is Here™, I don’t care that much anymore.

 

[Jetsurge]

Hey, I am back. I had to do some last summer homework. Man, they are so annoying. I'm going to do the 3rd middle school, and along with that my exams, hence my age.



Agreed. To be honest, I don't understand the hate for Corrin. I always see everyone hating on him.

FE didn't need another newcomer, he's a terrible character in his own game and they could've used his development time to add literally anyone else. I'm sure everyone here would've preferred Elma as the advertisement character.

 

[Metal Shop X]

For me, Corrin in Smash & Corrin in Fates are like two different entity.

Corrin in Smash is a fun swordman character with cool shapeshifting power that I like using from time to time, Corrin in FE is a wayyyy less interesting avatar type character in every way compared to Robin beside the shapeshifting power.

I know that they are the same character, but frankly, Smash doesn't have always the best track record when it come to how character should act or feel (Palutena is wayyy more snarky than in Uprising, and Ike is really slow for a character that was very fast in his home game), so I just treat their canon counterpart and their Smash counterpart as separate character in my mind.

 

[92MilesPrower]

I see "possible spoilers" in the thread title, are there leaks out there as some expected? I really hope I don't accidentally stumble upon a big surprise and have it ruined before the direct...

 

[chronomantic]

Then you're going to be swarmed by FE haters.

Most of them hate Corrin, and wished he would disappear in Ultimate. Seriously, I have one thing to say to them:

Why do you hate Corrin?

I'm annoyed that he got in just to promote the new FE game.

 

[MojoRobo]

Then you're going to be swarmed by FE haters.

Most of them hate Corrin, and wished he would disappear in Ultimate. Seriously, I have one thing to say to them:

Why do you hate Corrin?

Corrin was pretty terribly written for a main lord, not to mention the writing in Fates is just bad in general. She and the game she came from is really not liked at all.

 

[Chrono.]

I see "possible spoilers" in the thread title, are there leaks out there as some expected? I really hope I don't accidentally stumble upon a big surprise and have it ruined before the direct...

There's nothing yet other than the new Yoshi game's title.

 

[staindgrey]

Then you're going to be swarmed by FE haters.

Most of them hate Corrin, and wished he would disappear in Ultimate. Seriously, I have one thing to say to them:

Why do you hate Corrin?

They just hate Fates. Corrin is a representative not only of what many feel is a very bad Fire Emblem game, but a game that's indicative of the heavy anime/waifu lean the series has taken. Corrin kind of represents the "bad" modern FE in a way that Robin and Lucina didn't.

Still, the hate is misguided. Corrin offers a truly unique moveset due to her peculiar half-dragon transformations, and she's fun to play.

 

[Enchess]

FE didn't need another newcomer, he's a terrible character in his own game and they could've used his development time to add literally anyone else. I'm sure everyone here would've preferred Elma as the advertisement character.

I agree with most of this (other than overly strong final statement), but Corrin is far more unique than the other FE characters and represented a more important part of the series history than Ike or Roy imo. Fates was a really interesting experiment on Nintendo's part. A failed one in a lot of ways, but interesting.

Corrin wasn't a "bad" addition. He's one I don't like, but I see valid reasons other than marketing to add him.

 

[Schnee117]

I'm sure everyone here would've preferred Elma as the advertisement character.

Nah.
I hated Xenoblade X so I'd rather not have gotten her or anything from that game at all.
Corrin sucks in Fates (Fates as a whole just sorta sucks) sure but outside of Fates (ie. In Smash and Warriors) they're great.

"Chainsaw Sword wielding royalty with the ability to morph themselves into a dragon, whether it be just the arms and legs or their whole body."
If that's not appealing then you hate fun.

 

[Nielicus]

FE didn't need another newcomer, he's a terrible character in his own game and they could've used his development time to add literally anyone else. I'm sure everyone here would've preferred Elma as the advertisement character.

If they wanted a fates chracter Azura would’ve been better to me. Ability and personality wise, and for some reason in Smash, Corrin is so lifeless. From the face to the win lines, not to mention an OKish character in their own game and that’s no shade to Corrin fans

 

[MojoRobo]

They just hate Fates. Corrin is a representative not only of what many feel is a very bad Fire Emblem game, but a game that's indicative of the heavy anime/waifu lean the series has taken. Corrin kind of represents the "bad" modern FE in a way that Robin and Lucina didn't.

Still, the hate is misguided. Corrin offers a truly unique moveset due to her peculiar half-dragon transformations, and she's fun to play.

The thing is that Corrin wasn't added because she would've been a good character, she was added entirely for advertisement, and as opposed to Roy, she had more dev time put towards her. That's what gets people, regardless of if her moveset is unique.

 

[Ultinarok]

If I had to choose, my favourite newcomers are probably For, though first three games brought some of my faves.

Ultimate, eh, Belmonts and Inklings were cool. Chrom was nice, even if he felt kinda reduntant (I prefer Lucina and Robin but guy deserved it). I don't care about Daisy or Dark Samus. I straight up won't play as K.Rool and Ridley, they were awful additions. In the end, could've been better.

I'm pretty sure only you and like ten other people on Earth would flat-out call them "awful additions". I'm sure plenty of people don't like them for one reason or another, but you've already admitted that the character's fanbases had made life miserable for you in some fashion, which is causing you to project that annoyance onto the characters themselves. You've literally already admitted that your hatred was born of a grudge. You're absolutely welcome to find them uninteresting, but calling them "awful additions" is objectively wrong and a reflection of your own biases. Opinions are welcome, but bold statements proclaiming two characters are awful additions just because of a loosely connected experience you've had is deserving of scrutiny.

 

[BlueMagician]

Corrin was pretty terribly written for a main lord, not to mention the writing in Fates is just bad in general. She and the game she came from is really not liked at all.

Speak for yourself.