Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[UserKev]

When it comes to third party characters, I feel like it's better to have a mix of cartoony mascot types and more realistic-looking (relatively speaking, of course) humans, as opposed to just sticking to the first group.

Everybody expected characters like Sonic, Mega Man, and Pac-Man, but the real surprises came when they went outside of that box and added characters like Snake, Cloud, and Bayonetta.

Don't get me wrong. The humans are interesting beside the less realistic cartoony smashers but, some of them carry heavy traces of anime, taking away that complex smash aspect for me. I want a smash anime but not that version.

I like to think of it as, the more realistic smashers accidentally wandered into those worlds, eventually immense in their influence that turned them into smashers.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

2019.

Smash games tend to release 2 years into a console's lifecycle.

Plus they've probably been working on Smash 6 for years already.

Sakurai on the other hand seems to be working on a different IP, if his recent toy purchase being related to his project is an indication. I think he's working on a 3DS title.

A few things;

• 64 was released three years after the N64's launch, Melee was a Gamecube launch title and Brawl was released one year after the Wii's launch in Japan. The "2 years into a console's life cycle thing" can't be a rule when only one out of four games follow it.
• They don't work on a new game instantly after the previous one is done. As an example, Smash 4 started being worked on in 2012, 4 years after Brawl.
• There's a chance Sakurai might not be working on the next Smash game since Iwata, the one person who always asked him, is dead.

 

[Bowserlick]

Pushmo has four games under its belt. Mallo, the hero from this block-based puzzler, may be a contender for Smash.

 

[FutureSky]

I think Sakurai is one of the best videogame directors, but i don't think there's any chance that he's coming back.

Maybe Namco is the devoloper of the game now, or some other nintendo subsidiary, but i doubt it's going to be sora/sakurai.

 

[PixelSun]

When do you except Super Smash Bros 5 to release (asuming it's not a port, of course)

Probably late 2019 / early 2020. I do think Sakurai will come back to make the game Iwata always asked him for.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

A few things;

• 64 was released three years after the N64's launch, Melee was a Gamecube launch title and Brawl was released one year after the Wii's launch in Japan. The "2 years into a console's life cycle thing" can't be a rule when only one out of four games follow it.
• They don't work on a new game instantly after the previous one is done. As an example, Smash 4 started being worked on in 2012, 4 years after Brawl.
• There's a chance Sakurai might not be working on the next Smash game since Iwata, the one person who always asked him, is dead.

I'm hoping we get something close to Smash 64. Three years after the N64 and as a result we got the best games of Nintendo 64 represented in the game. Except for Donkey Kong 64, the best one of them all.

So yeah. I hope they wait until after E3 to start development. There's a lot of stuff likely to appear at E3. Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Metroid, and more.

And we already have Super Mario Odyssey, The Legend of Zelda Breath of The Wild, Star Fox Zero, Kirby Star Allies, Yoshi, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Arms, Splatoon 2.

So if development started before the Switch was revealed, that's VERY bad news.

 

[Deleted member]

Dude. 3DS's classic mode is way better. You get to choose your own path and it's actually grouped in franchises. It's really cool!

I only saw a little about it, at first I thought you fight all characters individually and I know the group franchises part. I just like how quick the Wii U classic mode is, but honestly the 3DS might have some kind of interest. I only play Smash for Wii U, because of how smooth it is. If they add the 3DS Classic more for the Switch, I think it might look fun. It is described to have a Metal battle, free-for-alls or one-on-ones ( I know this ). I do agree that Smash 4 Wii U's Classic mode is messy but it is so quick I like it. I think it looks a lot more like a Mario-Party style rather than a board just with fighters on it. Basically it feels more like an adventure than for Wii U. I am sorry if you have no clue what I am saying, but here are my thoughts.

 

[Ura]

In all honesty I don't find a Rhythm Heaven character all that likely. Assist Trophy? Maybe, but I feel the series has fallen into Advance Wars or Golden Sun territory where a character would be nice but "unnecessary" if we're aiming for a Nintendo all-star cast. Maybe not the proper wording, but you understand what I'm getting at.

Spoiler

That being said, I would love for this to get in Smash 5.

Honestly the criteria for who's an "all-star" is so dumb seeing as that gimmick was dropped after Smash 64.

Most of the characters added in to Smash 4 aren't all-stars and aren't known that well by the public. If you're going to argue against those two series that's hardly a factor that would prevent their inclusion.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I only saw a little about it, at first I thought you fight all characters individually and I know the group franchises part. I just like how quick the Wii U classic mode is, but honestly the 3DS might have some kind of interest. I only play Smash for Wii U, because of how smooth it is. If they add the 3DS Classic more for the Switch, I think it might look fun. It is described to have a Metal battle, free-for-alls or one-on-ones ( I know this ). I do agree that Smash 4 Wii U's Classic mode is messy but it is so quick I like it. I think it looks a lot more like a Mario-Party style rather than a board just with fighters on it. Basically it feels more like an adventure than for Wii U. I am sorry if you have no clue what I am saying, but here are my thoughts.

Doesn't look like Mario Party to me.

Smash Tour looks more like MP, but that doesn't mean it's good...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Dude. 3DS's classic mode is way better. You get to choose your own path and it's actually grouped in franchises. It's really cool!

They need to do that with a Melee Style Adventure Mode. You could include every IP and still have it be short and replayable.

A branching path where you accomplish certain feats to access harder or more obscure levels and new opponents (like Luigi or Wolf or maybe some Japan Only IPs)

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

They need to do that with a Melee Style Adventure Mode. You could include every IP and still have it be short and replayable.

A branching path where you accomplish certain feats to access harder or more obscure levels and new opponents (like Luigi or Wolf or maybe some Japan Only IPs)

I actually love that idea.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I actually love that idea.

Thank you. I'm surprised I never actually mentioned it on this website. I really liked the idea that you can make special opponents appear in Melee like Falco or Luigi and I'd like to see them do that with levels ala Star Fox 64.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Honestly the criteria for who's an "all-star" is so dumb seeing as that gimmick was dropped after Smash 64.

Most of the characters added in to Smash 4 aren't all-stars and aren't known that well by the public. If you're going to argue against those two series that's hardly a factor that would prevent their inclusion.

still I wouldn't get my hopes up.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Dude. 3DS's classic mode is way better. You get to choose your own path and it's actually grouped in franchises. It's really cool!

To add to this, you're not forced into doing 5+ player bouts in 3DS's Classic mode, and the path you choose affects how tough your opponents will be.

 

[Freduardo]

I hope if they port Smash 4 to switch they make like five to six more Smash run stages and put that in the game. Including as an online mode.

I liked Smash run.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Let's say we got all the obvious newcomers and there's time left over for lesser know ones. Would you rather see some second choice picks (Waluigi, Dixie, Paper Mario, Isaac) or would you rather see more Japan Only characters? (Takamaru, Lip, Ayumi Tachibana, Sukapon)

I'd like to see some Japan Only characters, seeing as they have earned a spot, but only been kept back because of a lack of awareness internationally. (Although I would LOVE to see Waluigi, Paper Mario, and Dixie)

Speaking of which. Let's talk about Japan Only characters and who you think would get in if there were a bigger focus on them in the next installment.

 

[PeridotGX]

Let's say we got all the obvious newcomers and there's time left over for lesser know ones. Would you rather see some second choice picks (Waluigi, Dixie, Paper Mario, Isaac) or would you rather see more Japan Only characters? (Takamaru, Lip, Ayumi Tachibana, Sukapon)

I'd like to see some Japan Only characters, seeing as they have earned a spot, but only been kept back because of a lack of awareness internationally. (Although I would LOVE to see Waluigi, Paper Mario, and Dixie)

The two don't have to be mutually exclusive. I'd say that Japan only characters fit well into the second choice category. I don't want a character to be chosen or not chosen on whether they went global.

 

[Ura]

still I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Not saying either of those two series are likely (i've come to terms with that already).

I'm just saying the "all-star" argument is a horrible reason to exclude just about any character. It's mostly a buzz word for supporters of certain characters to boast about their chances.

 

[Bowserlick]

Let's say we got all the obvious newcomers and there's time left over for lesser know ones. Would you rather see some second choice picks (Waluigi, Dixie, Paper Mario, Isaac) or would you rather see more Japan Only characters? (Takamaru, Lip, Ayumi Tachibana, Sukapon)

I'd like to see some Japan Only characters, seeing as they have earned a spot, but only been kept back because of a lack of awareness internationally. (Although I would LOVE to see Waluigi, Paper Mario, and Dixie)

Speaking of which. Let's talk about Japan Only characters and who you think would get in if there were a bigger focus on them in the next installment.

Hmmm... I found this list of Japan-only releases. http://www.acriticalhit.com/top-20-games-nintendo-wouldnt-release-in-the-us/
We have Earthbound characters and FE characters in Smash. Certainly, JOC (Japan only characters) could help the franchises if they appear in Smash as they did with FE. And I know there is demand on these boards for Takamaru.

Personally, I would rather strange characters from series that I am more aware of, yet JOC's have their pros. Would not object to a JOC if they could make an exciting fighter.

 

[Ura]

Let's say we got all the obvious newcomers and there's time left over for lesser know ones. Would you rather see some second choice picks (Waluigi, Dixie, Paper Mario, Isaac) or would you rather see more Japan Only characters? (Takamaru, Lip, Ayumi Tachibana, Sukapon)

I'd like to see some Japan Only characters, seeing as they have earned a spot, but only been kept back because of a lack of awareness internationally. (Although I would LOVE to see Waluigi, Paper Mario, and Dixie)

Speaking of which. Let's talk about Japan Only characters and who you think would get in if there were a bigger focus on them in the next installment.

Second choice picks for sure. Especially characters who missed their "window of opportunity" as Sakurai likes to call it.

They need to do that with a Melee Style Adventure Mode. You could include every IP and still have it be short and replayable.

A branching path where you accomplish certain feats to access harder or more obscure levels and new opponents (like Luigi or Wolf or maybe some Japan Only IPs)

I actually pitched an idea for a branching Adventure mode like that.

The way I envisioned it is that there would be multiple ways to complete a level which would unlock an easy, normal, and hard path to choose from. Said routes would go through different franchises.

i.e. You start in a Mario level and have the option of advancing to a DK, Wario, or Yoshi level depending on how you complete the Mario level.

 

[PixelSun]

Let's say we got all the obvious newcomers and there's time left over for lesser know ones. Would you rather see some second choice picks (Waluigi, Dixie, Paper Mario, Isaac) or would you rather see more Japan Only characters? (Takamaru, Lip, Ayumi Tachibana, Sukapon)

I'd like more to have the [Second Choice Picks] since I prefer to have a more complete rooster from the characters we actually know. Althought the [Japan Only] characters would be cool and a nice touch from Nintendo.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

My dumb character choice that I've got completely worked out in my head is Pidgetto aka Ash's Jobber-mon.

Makes up for light weight and short range normal with high combo potential, wind effect specials, multiple jumps, gliding and a low profile.


Gust: Fires a small wind vortex with a pulling effect. Flies at downward angle in air, hugs ground otherwise. Good for edgeguarding but low (if any) damage.

Tailwind: Dives forward with a gust of wind behind it, strong wind box that tends to juggle opponent into it's damage boxes. Sweet spot at beginning on beak.

- Steel Wing: Up-B that doesn't cover much distance but has super-armour

- Roost: Recovers health but limits Pidgeotto to single jumps, health recovery stalls in mid-air.

FINAL SMASH- Birds of a Feather: The stage is swarmed with Pidgey who acts like weaker Cuccos, and is ended by a Mega Pidgeot flying in and using Hurricane.

It would never ever make it in and I'm not particularly found of the Pokemon itself but this moveset just works so perfectly in my head. Maybe I just want a proper birb for Smash.

Spoiler: Panphy in the room

Sorry Falco, you're just not bird enough to me

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I hope this isn't too off topic, but this how I would do Adventure Mode in Super Smash Bros for Nintendo Switch. I didn't add any new characters because there's debate on who would and wouldn't be in. I just put in characters from Super Smash Bros for Wii U.

My Adventure Mode. You can branch between difficulties depending on your performance. So the paths aren't entirely separate.

Below each level are the opponents you will face in or after the level. Bosses appear on the map after you clear a level and have their own arenas they are fought in.

• Sidescroller: The level is a typical sidescroller with enemies.
• Arena: The level is no more than a stage to fight your opponent.
• Endurance: A non-opponent based endurance round (Complete the micro games, hit all the ducks, etc.)
• Maze: Navigate the area until you find the goal.

* = Indicates an opponent that can only be faced if you achieve an objective.

Default Beginning Stage:

1. Smash Stadium (Arena)
   -Fighting Mii Team

Easy Path:

1. Mushroom Kingdom (Side Scroller)
   -Yoshi Team (in level)
   -Mario & Peach/*Luigi & Peach
   -Petey Piranha (BOSS)
2. Jungle Hijinx (Side Scroller)
   -Donkey Kong & Diddy Kong
   -Giant Donkey Kong (BOSS)
3. Dungeon (Maze)
   -Toon Link (Green,Red,Blue,Purple) (in level)
   -Link & Zelda/*Link & Sheik
4. Planet Zebes (Maze)
   -Samus
   -*Zero Suit Samus
   -Ridley (BOSS)
5. Dreamland (Side Scroller)
   -Meta Knight (in level)
   -King Dedede
   -Kirby Team
   -Whispy Woods (BOSS)
6. Orbital Gate Assault (Arena)
   -Fox
   -*Falco
   -Pigma (BOSS)
7. Kalos Pokemon League (Arena)
   -Pokemon
   -*Mewtwo
8. Magicant (Arena)
   -Ness
   -*Ness & Lucas
   -Giygas (BOSS)
9. Port Town Aero Dive (Side Scroller)
   -Captain Falcon Team
10. Battlefeild
    -Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man
    -Metal Mario (BOSS)
11. Final Destination
    -Bowser

Medium Path

1. Good Egg Galaxy (Side Scroller)
   -Rosalina & Luma
   -Raphael The Raven (BOSS)
2. WarioWare Micro-Game Rush (Endurance)
   -Wario
3. Coliseum (Arena)
   -Marth & Ike/*Lucina & Roy
   -Robin & Corrin
4. Skyworld (Sidescroller)
   -Pit & Palutena
   -Pandora (BOSS)
   -*Dark Pit
5. Town and City (Arena)
   -Villager Team
6. Distant Planet (Maze)
   -Olimar
   -Louie/Titan Dweevil (BOSS)
7. Boxing Ring (Arena)
   -Little Mac
   -Giga Mac (BOSS)
8. Wii Fit Studio (Arena)
   -Wii Fit Trainer Team
   -Giant Wii Fit Trainer (BOSS)
9. Battlefield
   -Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man
   -Metal Mario & Metal Luigi (BOSS)
10. Final Destination
    -Bowser
    -Giga Bowser (BOSS)

Hard Path

1. Bowser's Castle (Sidescroller)
   -Bowser Jr & Koopalings
   -Mecha Bowser (BOSS)
2. Guar Plains (Sidescroller)
   -Shulk
   -Metal Face (BOSS)
3. Flat Zone (Endurance)
   -Mr. Game & Watch Team
4. Wrecking Crew (Arena)
   -Giant R.O.B. (BOSS)
5. Duck Hunt (Endurance)
   -Duck Hunt x3
6. Casino Night Zone (Sidescroller)
   -Metal Sonic (BOSS)
7. Wily Castle (Maze)
   -Mega Man (All Colors) (in level)
   -Yellow Devil (BOSS)
8. Pac-Land (Sidescroller)
   -Pac-Man
9. Battlefeild
   -Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta
   -Giant Metal Mario (BOSS)
10. Final Destination
    -Bowser & Ganondorf
    -Giga Bowser & Ganon (BOSS)

Here's a cast roll of all the bosses. Just for fun:

Spoiler: Bosses

Petey Piranha

Ridley

Whispy Woods

Pigma

Giygas/Geiuge

Raphael The Raven

Pandora

Titan Dweevil

Mecha Bowser

Metal Face

Metal Sonic

Yellow Devil

Metal Mario

Giant Donkey Kong

Giga Bowser

Ganon

 

[Krysco]

I will agree that the 3DS' version of Classic is nice in that it doesn't force 5+ player Smash but the difficulty setting is on the Wii U version, just at the beginning which is how every other Smash game did it. Not saying change is bad mind you. Another issue with the 3DS one is how while yes, you do have branching paths and therefore choice, to my recollection, you only fight certain IPs on their respective stages. So if you choose to go to the Triforce symbol, you could fight any combination of Link, Zelda, Sheik, Toon Link or Ganondorf, you're also going to be fighting them on Gerudo Desert or...I honestly forget if the 3DS had another Zelda stage. The Wii U doesn't arbitrarily lock characters to the stages from the same IP. I'm not saying the Wii U version is perfect, it could've certainly been improved and there are certain qualities the older Classic modes have over it but I still personally think the Wii U's is the best.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I will agree that the 3DS' version of Classic is nice in that it doesn't force 5+ player Smash but the difficulty setting is on the Wii U version, just at the beginning which is how every other Smash game did it. Not saying change is bad mind you. Another issue with the 3DS one is how while yes, you do have branching paths and therefore choice, to my recollection, you only fight certain IPs on their respective stages. So if you choose to go to the Triforce symbol, you could fight any combination of Link, Zelda, Sheik, Toon Link or Ganondorf, you're also going to be fighting them on Gerudo Desert or...I honestly forget if the 3DS had another Zelda stage. The Wii U doesn't arbitrarily lock characters to the stages from the same IP. I'm not saying the Wii U version is perfect, it could've certainly been improved and there are certain qualities the older Classic modes have over it but I still personally think the Wii U's is the best.

Thing about that is, while the characters, stages, etc. are locked together in a specific franchise, the franchises themselves are also selected at random.

Personally, I think a way to solve the qualms everyone has with Classic Mode is to have different options regarding what opponents you battle, when you battle them, etc. We'll use Melee's Classic Mode as an example; you go through various stages and battle opponents at random (for the most part), but the battle rules are the same for each stage (stage one is one-on-one, stage two is two-on-two, bonus minigame one, so on and so forth). There'd be an icon by Classic Mode which takes you to a screen and allows you to customize Classic Mode as you see fit. If you want the IPs to be selected for each stage but have the types of battles be randomized, like it was in Brawl, or maybe have everything from the battles to the characters be selected at random, it can be done here. If we wree able to take it a step further, maybe you could be able to select specific characters and specific battle types for each stage, so it can be more like Smash 64's 1P Mode.

Just my two cents. None of this is ever gonna happen but hey, a man can dream.

 

[UserKev]

Smash Wii U's Classic Mode really is discomforting and stressful. No really any different from Allstar Mode anymore.

 

[Hubba_Wubba]

Smash WII U's other modes lacked quite a lot actually, Smash Tour was basically mario party. The classic mode was borign and stressful. the only one i liked was All-Star mode because they didn't change it that much

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Smash Tour was basically mario party

Saying that is implying Smash Tour is actually fun in its chaos and unfairness.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Smash Tour can pretty much fly the coop; I'd rather see Smash Run on the Nintendo Switch version.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

How about they just focus on making a good fighting game and relax on all the "adventure" modes.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Smash Tour can pretty much fly the coop; I'd rather see Smash Run on the Nintendo Switch version.

Stuff like this is why I'm sad I can only like posts once.

 

[Hubba_Wubba]

Saying that is implying Smash Tour is actually fun in its chaos and unfairness.

Oof i didn't mean it like that, but your right i should've worded it differently.
What i meant was: It dumb and nobody actually wanted it. it was wasted resources and Potential to be something else.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

How about they just focus on making a good fighting game and relax on all the "adventure" modes.

Okay. Define what a "good" fighting game is.

 

[PixelSun]

Okay. Define what a "good" fighting game is.

Probably a game with refined mechanics that are unique and interesting with properly balanced characters.

 

[Hubba_Wubba]

Probably a game with refined mechanics that are unique and interesting with properly balanced characters.

Smash already kinda has that, every character is good and can be used to put up a fight. Well, excpet captain falcon, he requires no skills at all

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Saying that is implying Smash Tour is actually fun in its chaos and unfairness.

Well if the series stopped at Mario Party 8 I'd agree with you there.

Every game since Mario Party 9 has been awful. Mario Party: The Top 100 is easily the worst...

 

[Hubba_Wubba]

Well if the series stopped at Mario Party 8 I'd agree with you there.

Every game since Mario Party 9 has been awful. Mario Party: The Top 100 is easily the worst...

Nah man, Mario Party 2 on hard difficulty is the worst, i got murdered by a wario A.I thats on hard......and he took all my money and kept buying stars

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Smash already kinda has that, every character is good and can be used to put up a fight. Well, excpet Cloud, he requires no skills at all

Fixed that for you. I main him, I should know

Well if the series stopped at Mario Party 8 I'd agree with you there.

Every game since Mario Party 9 has been awful. Mario Party: The Top 100 is easily the worst...

I can argue Mario Party 8 wasn't that great either.

The idea of boards having drastically different mechanics and functions was great, but... the waggle controls... ugh!

At least, 9 and 10 has some fun minigames. It's the boards (and Bowser Party) that suck. And Top 100... yeah, I can't save that mess.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Okay. Define what a "good" fighting game is.

A wide array of balanced characters with their own unique abilities that stand out from each other;
Deep mechanics that allow the competitive scene to grow;
Stages that complement the action without detracting from it;
Fun to play and watch;
Good online multiplayer

 

[Hubba_Wubba]

Fixed that for you. I main him, I should know


I can argue Mario Party 8 wasn't that great either.

The idea of boards having drastically different mechanics and functions was great, but... the waggle controls... ugh!

At least, 9 and 10 has some fun minigames. It's the boards (and Bowser Party) that suck. And Top 100... yeah, I can't save that mess.

Thx boo, but really and require no skills at all