Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Will]

*sigh* Look, Super Mario RPG was under MAJOR supervision by Nintendo, so even though Square developed the game (and created Boshi), they still didn't have creative control over the "Mario universe" rules at the time. Boshi is officially a Blue Yoshi

>official
>it's a spinoff with rights owned by a separate company

I'm not gonna argue over a color, just agree to disagree.

 

[Hinata]

*sigh* Look, Super Mario RPG was under MAJOR supervision by Nintendo, so even though Square developed the game (and created Boshi), they still didn't have creative control over the "Mario universe" rules at the time. Boshi is officially a Blue Yoshi

Jeez, dude, you're gettin' pretty heated over this really, really insignificant issue.

Also when is the next time we'll see a character? Math is useless when it comes to such a small sample size of 3 Directs. We know this isn't the last Smash Direct but I think we're gonna get one every month.

We only have 3 months and it's safe to assume there won't be a Direct in December.

I think we might see another Robin/Lucina situation sometime next month, where they don't even bother with a Direct and just give us the reveal trailer.

 

[MBRedboy31]

*sigh* Look, Super Mario RPG was under MAJOR supervision by Nintendo, so even though Square developed the game (and created Boshi), they still didn't have creative control over the "Mario universe" rules at the time. Boshi is officially a Blue Yoshi

Realistically speaking, wouldn’t Yoshi colors be on a continuous spectrum, like human skin tones IRL? It’s just that humans have a natural tendency to categorize things, hence the limited number of “official” Yoshi colors, even if such categorizations are thus inaccurate.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Realistically speaking, wouldn’t Yoshi colors be on a continuous spectrum, like human skin tones IRL? It’s just that humans have a natural tendency to categorize things, hence the limited number of “official” Yoshi colors, even if such categorizations are thus inaccurate.

Yoshi's aren't real

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Also when is the next time we'll see a character? Math is useless when it comes to such a small sample size of 3 Directs. We know this isn't the last Smash Direct but I think we're gonna get one every month.

We only have 3 months and it's safe to assume there won't be a Direct in December.

If I think small, we'll probably get a general direct next month. The online service launches in September, so I can see them doing a general direct for that, and I'd expect one character trailer there.

Beyond that, I'd guess another Smash direct just before release in November, with a bunch of characters.

As to whether we'll get anything between September and November, though... It really depends on how many characters there are.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

If I think small, we'll probably get a general direct next month. The online service launches in September, so I can see them doing a general direct for that, and I'd expect one character trailer there.

Beyond that, I'd guess another Smash direct just before release in November, with a bunch of characters.

As to whether we'll get anything between September and November, though... It really depends on how many characters there are.

Sakurai said in the Direct that they'd talk about Single Player, AKA Spirits, another time. Definitely gonna have to get info on that. I think Smash is gonna have a smaller segment in the next Direct.

 

[Glaciacott]

Also when is the next time we'll see a character? Math is useless when it comes to such a small sample size of 3 Directs. We know this isn't the last Smash Direct but I think we're gonna get one every month.

We only have 3 months and it's safe to assume there won't be a Direct in December.

My guess would be an October Direct as the last real direct before release, and it being mostly a dump of remaining Echo fighters and that one mode not shown.

Seeing how we got five characters in this one, one more direct should cover all the remaining characters

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Does this Direct count as a normal Direct or is it special?

 

[Nethermoosen]

I looked up some ideas about spirits and this is my favorite interpretation and seems quite feasible.

Spirits is where you collect the spirits of the fighters from the villains and bosses. The characters themselves will also be enemies until you retrieve their souls to add them to your team.

This will not include the starting 8 characters, obviously.

The thing that absolutely sells this idea to me is that characters have been getting killed in these trailers. Luigi died. It isn’t clear he made it back to his body. Mega man definitely died being impaled by Ridley.

Mario, however, seems like he was only slapped. Samus is shown to survive Ridley’s onslaught.

Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong is unclear, but we’d be assuming Donkey makes it and Diddy doesn’t.

What do you think?

 

[Will]

Does this Direct count as a normal Direct or is it special?

I think any specifically themed Direct is special, so this one would count.

 

[Zinith]

Jeez, dude, you're gettin' pretty heated over this really, really insignificant issue.

I know I get really passionate about my boi, but I don't find that particularly heated. It was calm and collected, and like Ari said I just agree to disagree...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

My idea for spirits is all the character get together at the local bar and have a big celebration

Spirits all around

 

[Patriot Duck]

I hope Chrom's sword does balanced damage like Lucina's. It's like poetry. It rhymes.

Spoiler

It'd also make Chrom better than Roy

 

[MBRedboy31]

Yoshi's aren't real

Fictional species and real life logic aren't mutually exclusive except when specifically stated otherwise.
(Since Mario doesn't really have a particularly well defined canon, though, no theory can be either confirmed or denied, so this whole thing is just kinda pointless... ahh well, whatever...)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I hope Chrom's sword does balanced damage like Lucina's. It's like poetry. It rhymes.

Spoiler

It'd also make Chrom better than Roy

Well if we look at the trails left behind Roy and Chriom's sword swings it looks like Chrom has balanced damage too

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I think any specifically themed Direct is special, so this one would count.

That means we're due for another one soon, why would Nintendo go a general Direct without Smash?

 

[Will]

Well if we look at the trails left behind Roy and Chriom's sword swings it looks like Chrom has balanced damage too

I wonder what the difference will be between Simon and Richter. It obviously can't be weight nor speed, because then Dr. Mario would be brought up again.

That means we're due for another one soon, why would Nintendo go a general Direct without Smash?

because they just had one
i dont understand what youre saying

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I wonder what the difference will be between Simon and Richter. It obviously can't be weight nor speed, because then Dr. Mario would be brought up again.


because they just had one
i dont understand what youre saying

The direct made it sound like the only differences between them are animations

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

That means we're due for another one soon, why would Nintendo go a general Direct without Smash?

They wouldn't.

This direct is like the Smash Bros. Direct that revealed Charizard and Greninja. I'm sure we'll be seeing Smash Bros. in every Direct from now until release.

Nintendo STILL needs to tell us about their online service that launches in a little over a month, so I'd expect by mid-September at the latest. I think we'll get a character reveal or two and that's it. Spirits will be talked about in a Smash Bros. Direct before release (sometime in October/November).

 

[MysticKnives]

Villager is going to murder someone with an axe.

Obviously.

That’s so Smash 4. In Ultimate, Ness is coming, with the scythe

 

[Omega Tyrant]

I find this picture on the Smash site interesting:

This shows characters can have palettes based on their Echoes, which could mean Galacta Knight still has a chance to be a Meta Knight Echo.

 

[Will]

The direct made it sound like the only differences between them are animations

Then what would be the point of making an Echo if you're just gonna make it an alt. with new animations? There will probably be some knockback involved. Maybe it's a Marth thing where Simon or Richter has a sweetspot at the mace of the chain and its balanced on the other.

I find this picture on the Smash site interesting:

This shows characters can have palettes based on their Echoes, which could mean Galacta Knight still has a chance to be a Meta Knight Echo.

Or maybe it's just Simon's blue alt.
Marth had an alternate costume for Roy, but did he show up in base Smash 4?

 

[FurretBro]

Lol

 

[osby]

The direct made it sound like the only differences between them are animations

Then they are probably very similar in terms of fighting style, like Pit and Dark Pit.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I find this picture on the Smash site interesting:

This shows characters can have palettes based on their Echoes, which could mean Galacta Knight still has a chance to be a Meta Knight Echo.

It could be based on this design

 

[Staarih]

I honestly feel like Nintendo needs to come out with a general Direct still, if only to tell us more about, and convince us on, Nintendo Online, plus more on the other games coming at the end of this year. And that needs to happen, like, next month the latest, right? No doubt Smash is going to be a big seller for the online service, so it would definitely make an appearance in that Direct as well. Since Sakurai wants to show us all the fighters before the game releases, the pace they show them at depends on how many newcomers there are.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Considering the Moon assist trophy, Toon Link, etc.

I don't think it necessarily negates or rules a character out to be on a stage and also have another role in the game.

Hell if Skull Kid rumor/leak is true then Moon is present three times most likely.

And I doubt Moon being an assist would mean anything for Skull Kid's possible Final Smash.

Remember there's a smaller version of Olimar's Final Smash as an item.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Chrom is still in Robin's FS but also playable.

Don’t get me wrong, I ain’t against Tails fighting (though I’m more for Shadow and Amy), but him showing up at GHZ and not having too much of a role decreases his chances in Smash (and Knuckles replacing Shadow as an AT can’t just be a coincidence)

 

[Ivander]

I find this picture on the Smash site interesting:

This shows characters can have palettes based on their Echoes, which could mean Galacta Knight still has a chance to be a Meta Knight Echo.

That, my friend, is actually based on Super Castlevania IV Simon Belmont.

Edit: I got ninja'd.

 

[Blargg888]

That’s so Smash 4. In Ultimate, Ness is coming, with the scythe

I just remembered the scythe.

I can't wait to chop off heads with Kirby.

Jesus that sounds terrifying.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

In smash hitboxes (which are actually hitbubbles; they're spheres) are tied to bones on a character's model during animations, not arbitrary points in space. If you change how an attack animates, you change where it hits and also where the attacker can be hit. The only difference between Richter and Simon could very well be animations, but it could easily affect things like the exact angle at which the whip moves (I could swear Richter's fair had the whip a little higher) and the priority of a ton of things and such that would actually work out to be meaningful. Neither Lucina or Dark Pit have actually different animations from their base characters on actual moves, but if Simon/Richter do it's a big deal.

On a vaguely related note, I have to comment with just how generally awesome Simon/Richter look from a gameplay perspective. Super long range normals with good projectiles, a zair, a completely normal grab, and several normals that have special mobility functions. Oh yes please. That's such a powerful core design, and it sounds super fun. They're near the top of the list of characters I'm giving a very serious competitive look very early.

 

[Zinith]

I just remembered the scythe.

I can't wait to chop off heads with Kirby.

Jesus that sounds terrifying.

You bet it is

"YOSHI!!!" *death*

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I find this picture on the Smash site interesting:

This shows characters can have palettes based on their Echoes, which could mean Galacta Knight still has a chance to be a Meta Knight Echo.

I think you're reading too much into it... maybe.

 

[Idon]

There was a post here.
It's gone now

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

LolView attachment 156530

Simon Belmont. Castlevania. Castles. Castles are attack by siege towers. Siege towers are made of wood. Geno is mad of wood. GUYS

 

[FurretBro]

There seems to be lots of GENOcides in these there trailers, eh?

 

[Idon]

In smash hitboxes (which are actually hitbubbles; they're spheres) are tied to bones on a character's model during animations, not arbitrary points in space. If you change how an attack animates, you change where it hits and also where the attacker can be hit. The only difference between Richter and Simon could very well be animations, but it could easily affect things like the exact angle at which the whip moves (I could swear Richter's fair had the whip a little higher) and the priority of a ton of things and such that would actually work out to be meaningful. Neither Lucina or Dark Pit have actually different animations from their base characters on actual moves, but if Simon/Richter do it's a big deal.

On a vaguely related note, I have to comment with just how generally awesome Simon/Richter look from a gameplay perspective. Super long range normals with good projectiles, a zair, a completely normal grab, and several normals that have special mobility functions. Oh yes please. That's such a powerful core design, and it sounds super fun. They're near the top of the list of characters I'm giving a very serious competitive look very early.

One thing to note is that I also saw the fair angled downwards so it could potentially be angled slightly

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

I said this on the writers discord, but I really wanted King K Rool, but even then it was only because I liked the character-- I didn't think I was going to like his play style.

But then that butthole got a counter.

SIGN ME UP.

*me patiently waiting for Smashboards to add the new character icons*

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Simon Belmont. Castlevania. Castles. Castles are attack by siege towers. Siege towers are made of wood. Geno is mad of wood. GUYS

More like

 

[Blargg888]

Y'know, looking back at it, does Final Destination look smaller to anyone else, or is it just me?

 

[Will]

I seriously believe Simon and Richter have a Marth/Lucina or Roy/Chrom difference going on, if it's just nothing different and for the sake of an animation I will quite literally use "wasted" and "slot" in the same sentence.

Because I will never forget the injustice that has been done to and i dont even play pikmin