Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[AlphaSSB]

Happy birthday man! While you got the SNES classic, ya gotta try Kirby Super Star sometimes, among Kirby fans, it's known as the best Kirby game.

Oh, I'll be sure to give all the games on the system a try at some point.

Right now, my priorities are Star Fox and Star Fox 2. After them, well, there's so many games it's hard to choose what'll be next. Kirby Super Star will probably be in the first half.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

DaybreakHorizon anything new, interesting, or at least chuckleworthy happen on the leak front lately?

Nothing whatsoever.

There was this, but it's nothing more than an Etch-a-Sketch drawing.

"Leaked code for smash ultimate, have fun lmao"

I'm just the messenger here. I have reason to believe whatever tf this is is real, can't crack it though, so hope you guys can

I have no clue what to make of it.

What was this Bill "leak" I've been hearing about?

It's a misnomer for a supposed slip-up Bill Trinen made in an interview, where he mentioned Xenoblade Characters (Plural) when referring to popular characters for new Smash Bros. players. Some are taking it as an indication that we'll be another Xenoblade character will be added in this game.

It is not a leak.

Seriously, people say "call them rumors tehponycorn!" and then go and call this of all things a leak.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

During the SDCC video where Bill was talking, he let slip something along the lines of “People are really excited about the new characters like...Cloud, Bayonetta, and um, the Xenoblade Characters”

Note the plural, and this is explicitly in reference to playable characters, so ATs and final smash characters don’t count

Ah, interesting.

Could be a slip up of characters in game or a "who'd the xenoblade character" moment.

 

[L9999]

During the SDCC video where Bill was talking, he let slip something along the lines of “People are really excited about the new characters like...Cloud, Bayonetta, and um, the Xenoblade Characters”

Note the plural, and this is explicitly in reference to playable characters, so ATs and final smash characters don’t count

Read the context of his statement please. He was making the point that generations get attached to the characters of the Smash game they played. He said Bayo, Cloud...and Xenoblade characters. He likely was gonna name Shulk but forgot, and he likely confused another anime swordfighter for a Xenoblade character. This people likely have 0 knowledge of the full roster.

 

[vaanrose]

Don't read the interview, watch it. It's painfully obvious he was just listing example of popular new characters and blanked on Shulk's name. He literally has to pause to think about what to say next.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Just to add, we have had a character confirmed by slip of tongue before, namely Jigglypuff in Brawl.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Oh, I'll be sure to give all the games on the system a try at some point.

Right now, my priorities are Star Fox and Star Fox 2. After them, well, there's so many games it's hard to choose what'll be next. Kirby Super Star will probably be in the first half.

Oh yeah. I meant after Star Fox 1 and 2.

 

[Polan]

This people likely have 0 knowledge of the full roster.

what are you talking about? it's bill "trintran" trinen. of course he knows the final roster.

 

[Zinith]

Oh, I'll be sure to give all the games on the system a try at some point.

Right now, my priorities are Star Fox and Star Fox 2. After them, well, there's so many games it's hard to choose what'll be next. Kirby Super Star will probably be in the first half.

You could give Yoshi's Island a shot

 

[Crap-Zapper]

During the SDCC video where Bill was talking, he let slip something along the lines of “People are really excited about the new characters like...Cloud, Bayonetta, and um, the Xenoblade Characters”

Note the plural, and this is explicitly in reference to playable characters, so ATs and final smash characters don’t count

Hmm ... What if Bill was actually thinking about Fire Emblem, and said wrong by mistake?
You can easily think of something, and say something different, don't even come here telling me that never happened to any of you.


Just a thought.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hmm ... What if Bill was actually thinking about Fire Emblem, and said wrong by mistake?
You can easily think of something, and say something different, don't even come here telling me that never happened to any of you.


Just a thought.

Kinda doubt that tbh. Fire Emblem is already a well known franchise, and I feel like he woulda explicitly said Fire Emblem if that’s what he meant.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I didn't buy any of them. Maybe I would've if they were actually sold at a reasonable price...

All the dlc had very reasonable prices, especially the 3rd parties

I already thinks that change his default costume to the not-classic one is weird. Not everyone played BoTW.
The hero clothes is the iconical one, not the other way around. Not a problem with BoTW Link, but his clothes should not be the main costume.

If it weren’t for the fact that the Champions Tunic is the main gear in BOTW (showing up in the majority of cutscenes and anything marketing related, including the recent MK8D update) then I’d agree

Also, if he’s not to be your Link, then you still got Young and a Toon Link to give you your old school enough needs

I remember there being complaints when Toon Link was confirmed for Smash 4. It's just that those complaints eventually were overshadowed because of Lucina, Dr. Mario and Dark Pit.

They were foolish to disrespect and complain about the legendary Toon Link...and the GOD TIER DOCTOR!!!!

Kinda doubt that tbh. Fire Emblem is already a well known franchise, and I feel like he woulda explicitly said Fire Emblem if that’s what he meant.

or at the least say “Waifu/Husbando Simulator”

 

[N3ON]

Bill's antics might bring about the ire of ol Uncle Reggie, stuffing his face full of donuts and another less memorable shenanigans from even less memorable directs, but the lad doesn't leak things. Everyone perched up in the Treehouse has no doubt been conditioned thoroughly on what is currently known about Smash and what isn't. Bill's no amateur. Though apparently he does forget the names of niche JRPG protags like some sort of philistine.

Plus you heard from Mashed Potato himself how under lock and key this whole thing is, I mean only select Ninty employees and memoryman3 even know beyond a little more than the public.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Messing around with Roster Maker and, even thought I know ti won't be high on the priority list when choosing/making characters, 5 more characters seems to make for a nice neat roster with all the original 12 across the top row. 7 more could too but I'm lowballing

 

[Zinith]

Bill's antics might bring about the ire of ol Uncle Reggie, stuffing his face full of donuts and another less memorable shenanigans from even less memorable directs, but the lad doesn't leak things. Everyone perched up in the Treehouse has no doubt been conditioned thoroughly on what is currently known about Smash and what isn't. Bill's no amateur. Though apparently he does forget the names of niche JRPG protags like some sort of philistine.

Plus you heard from Mashed Potato himself how under lock and key this whole thing is, I mean only select Ninty employees and memoryman3 even know beyond a little more than the public.

Either that's a non-sequitur or I missed something...

[insert JonTron meme]

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I didn't buy any of them. Maybe I would've if they were actually sold at a reasonable price...

Whaddaya mean man, DLC was at a very fair price. (Still gotta get Bayonetta and Corrin so i can practice against them...)

Bill's antics might bring about the ire of ol Uncle Reggie, stuffing his face full of donuts and another less memorable shenanigans from even less memorable directs, but the lad doesn't leak things. Everyone perched up in the Treehouse has no doubt been conditioned thoroughly on what is currently known about Smash and what isn't. Bill's no amateur. Though apparently he does forget the names of niche JRPG protags like some sort of philistine.

Plus you heard from Mashed Potato himself how under lock and key this whole thing is, I mean only select Ninty employees and memoryman3 even know beyond a little more than the public.

Who the hecks memoryman3? xD

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Either that's a non-sequitur or I missed something...

[insert JonTron meme]

Basically the virus sending, sexual harassing, safety threatening Daisy fanatical tried to blackmail the guy who leaked MvCI by leaking DMs about his Ridley speculation

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Whaddaya mean man, DLC was at a very fair price. (Still gotta get Bayonetta and Corrin so i can practice against them...)


Who the hecks memoryman3? xD

Trust me...you don’t wanna know

To be fair, there’s a bit of credence to his Daisy amiibo datamining, which also may be hinting at a Bandana Waddle Dee Smash amiibo as papagenos discussed in a video but...other than that

Ummmmmmmmm

 

[vaanrose]

Messing around with Roster Maker and, even thought I know ti won't be high on the priority list when choosing/making characters, 5 more characters seems to make for a nice neat roster with all the original 12 across the top row. 7 more could too but I'm lowballing

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You know, my problem with this roster maker thing is that they make the icons taller than they are wide, which is the exact opposite of how the icons are actually sized.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Messing around with Roster Maker and, even thought I know ti won't be high on the priority list when choosing/making characters, 5 more characters seems to make for a nice neat roster with all the original 12 across the top row. 7 more could too but I'm lowballing

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Looking at Dark Pit be placed right next to Zero Suit Samus as a blocker and Palutena being far away from Pit...that stings right in my Kid Icarus feels section (though atleast Pit will be right next to Waifu Zelda)

 

[CaptainAmerica]

On this note did anyone not buy any of the DLC Smashers for Sm4sh? I know I didn't bother with Lucas as the character didn't appeal to me, I didn't much care for his playstyle in Brawl and I wasn't missing him at all.

I love DLC so I was planning to get them all, but I was so bored by Sm4sh that I stopped playing before Bayo and Corrin released; pretty much gave up on everything when Corrin was announced as the last character.

It’s hard to play a fighting game single player if the devs don’t really put in single player modes...

Now, with Squirtle, Ridley, and all of the awesomeness - I can see myself playing this for a long time. And heck yes I’m getting the DLC.

Only thing I can’t consider is extra Mii costumes since I never play them. But if it’s cheap enough, I’ll totally buy costume DLC for even the full characters I don’t play...maybe with a few exceptions for those I think are less than trash...

 

[N3ON]

Either that's a non-sequitur or I missed something...

[insert JonTron meme]

Before Vergeben memoryman leaked private conversations of resetera staff who knew about Ridley while implicating other leakers like Emily Rogers.

Who the hecks memoryman3? xD

Someone who spent too much time stanning and is now pushing daisies on a variety of sites.

Basically the virus sending, sexual harassing, safety threatening Daisy fanatical tried to blackmail the guy who leaked MvCI by leaking DMs about his Ridley speculation

Wasn't gonna bring that up but, uh, yeh.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You know, my problem with this roster maker thing is that they make the icons taller than they are wide, which is the exact opposite of how the icons are actually sized.

Though to be fair, the point wasn't to emulate a roster faithfully so much as have an easy way to set stuff up. It even has proper categories you can setup within the program, like what franchises they're from. In my case, I've made close to 1/3 of the Quest 64 characters(which include monsters), being there's around 300 including monsters. ._.;

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Nothing whatsoever.

There was this, but it's nothing more than an Etch-a-Sketch drawing.

View attachment 153793

I have no clue what to make of it.

It's a misnomer for a supposed slip-up Bill Trinen made in an interview, where he mentioned Xenoblade Characters (Plural) when referring to popular characters for new Smash Bros. players. Some are taking it as an indication that we'll be another Xenoblade character will be added in this game.

It is not a leak.

Seriously, people say "call them rumors tehponycorn!" and then go and call this of all things a leak.

Honestly not holding my breath.
And yeah, it's not a leak. just used the wrong words when i said it earlier.

Basically the virus sending, sexual harassing, safety threatening Daisy fanatical tried to blackmail the guy who leaked MvCI by leaking DMs about his Ridley speculation

"g r e a t"

 

[Zinith]

Who the hecks memoryman3? xD

Someone people often compare me to, which I find laughable...

 

[Deleted member]

During the SDCC video where Bill was talking, he let slip something along the lines of “People are really excited about the new characters like...Cloud, Bayonetta, and um, the Xenoblade Characters”

Note the plural, and this is explicitly in reference to playable characters, so ATs and final smash characters don’t count

Does anyone have a link to this?

 

[vaanrose]

Though to be fair, the point wasn't to emulate a roster faithfully so much as have an easy way to set stuff up. It even has proper categories you can setup within the program, like what franchises they're from. In my case, I've made close to 1/3 of the Quest 64 characters(which include monsters), being there's around 300 including monsters. ._.;

I just make all my mockups in photoshop, lol.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Nowadays you can maybe make a case for Sky Skipper, since its whole reason for being a curiosity is the fact that it was an advertised Nintendo arcade game that never got an official release, though prototypes existed. Now they're finally releasing it as part of their Arcade Classics line, so that could be neat to see in a future Smash game.

I think most Nintendo novelties like Sky Skipper will be represented through Assist Trophies. Despite Sukapon being the first fighting game character Nintendo has created, despite Color Game TV being one of Nintendo's first consoles, and despite that Sheriff was the first Nintendo character ever, they are represented through Assist Trophies. Sky Skipper as a game is not a significantly important game to Nintendo because the game was not successful in Japan at all, that Nintendo of America only made very few arcade units of the game. The only potential "retros with significant importance" left (As described by True Blue Warrior) are a Hanafuda character and a Nintendo 1970s toy character. I personally believe one of these will happen despite neither of them originating from a video game.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I just make all my mockups in photoshop, lol.

I don't have photoshop, but I did make my first mockup via MSPaint ages ago. I took the old Melee roster, where it only showed a small set of the final character choices(from an IGN image) and recreated it with a ton of choices. Did not look beyond great, due to being difficult to match the text and aesthetics, but it looked okay. I did at least call some characters via it; MegaMan and Sonic, heh. And eventually Ridley.

Spoiler

 

[Heracr055]

Waiting for work to end, so...
What are your thoughts on clones/Luigified clones? I find that I tend to gravitate to them and they become my mains at some point (aside from Jiggs ofc, who I always try first in a new game) .
And who is your favorite clone/Luigified clone?

 

[Zinith]

Waiting for work to end, so...
What are your thoughts on clones/Luigified clones? I find that I tend to gravitate to them and they becone my mains at some ooint (aside from Jiggs ofc, who I always try first in a new game) .
And who is your favorite clone/Luigified clone?

My favorite Luigified clone is-- well, who else but

 

[Deleted member]

despite neither of them originating from a video game.

For the weird historical choices, I don't think this has to be a requirement sense R.O.B. technically isn't from a video game either.

 

[Opossum]

I think most Nintendo novelties like Sky Skipper will be represented through Assist Trophies. Despite Sukapon being the first fighting game character Nintendo has created, despite Color Game TV being one of Nintendo's first consoles, and despite that Sheriff was the first Nintendo character ever, they are represented through Assist Trophies. Sky Skipper as a game is not a significantly important game to Nintendo because the game was not successful in Japan at all, that Nintendo of America only made very few arcade units of the game. The only potential "retros with significant importance" left (As described by True Blue Warrior) are a Hanafuda character and a Nintendo 1970s toy character. I personally believe one of these will happen despite neither of them originating from a video game.

I mean, no offense Blue, but you can't call something historically insignificant and then claim pre-video game Nintendo products as significant. Things like the Ultra Hand are anything but.

 

[Zerp]

Why did some of the big leakers/insiders let Memory Man get associated with them in the first place? I'm confused as to how he got all these connections to the point where he can just go around blackmailing people when he's so well known among the Smash community, you'd think everyone would know by now to stay away lol.

Someone people often compare me to, which I find laughable...

Last time I checked you haven't done anything criminally insane like trying to brick someone's computer with a custom-made virus just because they said they didn't like Yoshi, so yeah, that comparison falls flat rather quickly lol.

Waiting for work to end, so...
What are your thoughts on clones/Luigified clones? I find that I tend to gravitate to them and they become my mains at some point (aside from Jiggs ofc, who I always try first in a new game) .
And who is your favorite clone/Luigified clone?

If Jigglypuff counts then Jigglypuff by far, if not then it's got to be Pichu.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

For the weird historical choices, I don't think this has to be a requirement sense R.O.B. technically isn't from a video game either.

Or at least for 1st party characters. It's still important they have a video game appearance regardless, though. Otherwise they can't remotely be called "video game characters".

 

[ChronoBound]

Personally I think there are two moves that could be potential dealbreakers for Dixie as a Diddy clone - the rocketbarrel boost and peanut popgun, since both are supposed to be Diddy's signature moves in DK64. Donkey Kong Country 3 had rocketbarrels but they worked differently enough to necessitate a completely different animation, and Dixie doesn't really have her own counterpart to the popgun. I've joked about this before but I think Donkey Kong has a lot of stuff that would make more sense on Dixie - up-special and neutral air come to mind. That said, he's also probably got even more dealbreakers, since a lot of Donkey Kong's moves rely on leveraging his bulk and the length of his arms, and likely wouldn't make sense when scaled down for a character with radically different proportions.

Of course I also think the Wario example from Melee shows that Sakurai would rather cut a character entirely than implement them in a way that he feels doesn't do them justice, so it's entirely possible that if Dixie hadn't been planned since early on, she might not make it in at all.

Personally, if she is a late addition, I'd expect a similar situation to Wolf in Brawl. Rather than a direct clone of one character, I could see her kit being largely made up of re-used animations from multiple characters with maybe one or two original animations.

As of Tropical Freeze, Dixie Kong now has the Bubble Gum Ball Pop Gun, so now she can share that move with Diddy Kong. The main thing that makes Dixie Kong differ from Diddy Kong is her pretensile hair. I believe most of her trophies throughout the Smash Bros. series make mention of her using her hair to fly, pick up objects, and attack enemies.

Also, its interesting that you made the comment of Dixie Kong being an amalgamation of multiple characters. I thought years ago this might be a possibility for Dixie Kong too. Her recovery could work similarly to DK's, and she has a ground pound in Tropical Freeze like DK does (only she uses her hair). She has a pop gun like Diddy Kong does as well as a similar body type. Its certainly possible that Dixie Kong becomes the "Wolf" of Ultimate (Wolf was the very last character added to Brawl).

Its possible that Dixie Kong started development as an echo fighter, only for Sakurai to have second thoughts and develop her as a semi-clone. Lucas actually started out as a Melee style clone before being developed into a nearly unique fighter. Dixie Kong not being able to use her hair for a few attacks, would not be true to Dixie Kong.

My personal prediction is that if we do get K. Rool, there is a good chance Dixie Kong will be following (if not, then Funky Kong as a Donkey Kong echo fighter). Dixie Kong might either be an echo fighter (due to her similar body type as Diddy Kong) or a semi-clone to Diddy Kong. There is the possibility that she ends up a Lucas or Wolf style derivative fighter, or perhaps an entirely unique one, however, given that there is limited time to add additional newcomers, I lean towards echo or semi-clone (think modern Falco, Roy, Ganondorf). I feel optimistic on K. Rool, due to the characters likely strong ballot performance the world over, so there is a decent chance for Dixie Kong as well. Dixie Kong could just as a easily become Ultimate's Captain Ganondorf as she can become Ultimate's Wolf.

We have only two true newcomers known thus far, so it is actually quite difficult to ascertain what Sakurai's criteria this go around is going to be. Ridley and Inklings are both popularly requested characters, but one was extremely obvious that they were going to get in the next installment (Inklings) while the latter it appeared to be that they might never happen (Ridley). Ultimate releasing only four years after Smash 4, with the interim epoch being the twilight years of the Wii U and 3DS, makes for an interesting scenario in terms of what decisions Sakurai might go with for Ultimate.

Moreover, there is the matter that Sakurai has already warned us "not to expect too many new characters", which to me at the very least means less newcomers than Smash 4's base roster. Smash 4 had 15 newcomers, 13 if including all three Mii Fighters as one, and 17 if including the two echo fighter newcomers. I personally see 8 additional non-echo newcomers as the limit for what to expect for Ultimate's base roster. The lowest number I expect for non-echo newcomers is five. So 5-8 additional fighters. Just with this sort of range speculation can wildly differ as to who makes it and who does not.

 

[Levy22]

Nothing whatsoever.

There was this, but it's nothing more than an Etch-a-Sketch drawing.

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I have no clue what to make of it.

Hey guys, it's been a while since I posted here but I've always been a lurker.

I love riddles so I've been scratching my head around these drawings trying to find any kind of meaning... and I did.
Started with the one on the bottom left and I believe each one of these is supposed to be a newcomer, the one I started with meaning "Simon".
I'll work on the other ones now so give me a few minutes but TL;DR: there's a binary code hidden in there.

(It's probably fake and I'm wasting my time but I'm having fun. lol)

Spoiler: Explanation:

 

[Dragoncharystary]

On this note did anyone not buy any of the DLC Smashers for Sm4sh? I know I didn't bother with Lucas as the character didn't appeal to me, I didn't much care for his playstyle in Brawl and I wasn't missing him at all.

I bought all of the characters for both versions of the game except for Corrin and Bayonetta.
I was just really upset that Wolf didn't make it into the game at the time and neither Corrin or Bayonetta appealed to me so I decided to express my displeasure not by being vocal about it but by just not buying the characters.

 

[Opossum]

Hey guys, it's been a while since I posted here but I've always been a lurker.

I love riddles so I've been scratching my head around these drawings trying to find any kind of meaning... and I did.
Started with the one on the bottom left and I believe each one of these is supposed to be a newcomer, the one I started with meaning "Simon".
I'll work on the other ones now so give me a few minutes but TL;DR: there's a binary code hidden in there.

(It's probably fake and I'm wasting my time but I'm having fun. lol)

Spoiler: Explanation:

I'd definitely say this is a step up from the jigsaw and crossword leaks.

 

[Knight Dude]

For the weird historical choices, I don't think this has to be a requirement sense R.O.B. technically isn't from a video game either.

Sure, if you want to look real deep into it. But ROB, while not a playable entity/enemy in the game was FOR video games and could interact with it, I'd say that's close enough.