Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Thirdkoopa]

hey guy's, found this old valentine's day card from Bayonetta, what do you think?

ikr. Thankfully it looks like we're going to get almost every 3DS stage. Find Mii is just beautiful. Especially without the hazards.

I doubt we'll miss a stage from 3DS, which is hype.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm saying I linked the thread you started. I'll unlock it and let you have fun, unless you want make an all new thread?

If possible I'd like a new stage.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If possible I'd like a new stage.

Sounds fine to me~

 

[Fierymew]

hey guy's, found this old valentine's day card from Bayonetta, what do you think?

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I doubt we'll miss a stage from 3DS, which is hype.

Yea, there were some really fun stages on 3DS, that I can’t wait to play again!

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

hey guy's, found this old valentine's day card from Bayonetta, what do you think?

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quality memes. thank you for this.

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

@Pacack I think it'd just be easier to list it in a spoiler, since the tier list thing doesn't let you do multiples I believe

Spoiler: experienced vs man shoves an opinion list down your eye sockets

Universal (Universe + Time-Space): (Sonic Wii games were hella weird)

Galaxy: (F-Zero GX)

Stellar (Star/Solar System): (Read this), , ,

Planetary:, ,

Tectonic (Country/Continent): (Plot Device Swords) + :ultrobin, (Arwing Tech),

Land Masses (Island/Mountain):, ,

Populations (Cities/Towns):, (Anime),

Superhuman (Building/Walls):, (w/o Plot Device Swords), ,

Who knows?:
Couldn't beat a Tic Tac if it wanted to:

Controversy:

Other Mario characters - It's debatable what Mario should be ranked at in power, some say its planetary, some say it's stellar, some say he should wreck the universe, some say he could barely kick a castle, I'll let you be the judge of what it should be.

Zelda characters - The lowest calculated feats are around consistent Tectonic levels, though the highest that some like to place are in the stellar range. Do I believe it? Personally, no. Take your pick on what you believe.

Pokemon - Yeah I'd rather not touch this series with a ten-foot pole, everyone has a different opinion on each of them. However, I am confident in the things Mewtwo has done, such as spoon impalement, which is just great.

Kirby - The only ones that are controversy that I listed, but keep note that's an absolute minimum. I know my share of Kirby debating, and it's ****ing hell. It could be stellar, it could not be. At the smallest, it'll be at Planetary for now.

- A friend of mine did his own calculations on the Game & Watch games. If you put into a composite, his Kinetic Energy-based calcs would label him as a Superhuman, but in the Smash games he's literally just a flat dude. Take it either as one side or the other.

- Does it really matter?

Hopefully my opinions aren't too coarse.

Finally someone recognizes Olimar's starbusting capabilities!

 

[Thirdkoopa]

well, here's the 3DS stages left to be confirmed, last I've checked,

Golden Plains
Rainbow Road
Paper Mario
Peach's Castle (64 past stage)
Dream Land (Smash 3DS)
Mute City (Smash 3DS)
WarioWare Inc
Pac-Maze

yeah I'm kinda doubting that these stages won't all return.

 

[KingBroly]

Since all of the N64 stages seem to use old texture work, I have to think that all of the original 9 stages are going to return.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

WarioWare Inc

Wario Ware Inc was confirmed.

We have several pictures of it and its the stage on Wario's page.

 

[Wambo]

well, here's the 3DS stages left to be confirmed, last I've checked,

Golden Plains
Rainbow Road
Paper Mario
Peach's Castle (64 past stage)
Dream Land (Smash 3DS)
Mute City (Smash 3DS)
WarioWare Inc
Pac-Maze

yeah I'm kinda doubting that these stages won't all return.

If we're getting ANY kind of Mute City back, I want the one with pink skies from Melee.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Wario Ware Inc was confirmed.

We have several pictures of it and its the stage on Wario's page.

okay
seven. stages left from 3DS. Golden Plains, Rainbow Road, Pac-Maze, Paper Maraio, Dream Land, Mute City, and Peach's Castle (Past 64 stage)

Since all of the N64 stages seem to use old texture work, I have to think that all of the original 9 stages are going to return.

mushroom kingdom (64) and mushroom kingdom (melee)?
i wonder...

also, this is a good point.

 

[Fierymew]

If we're getting ANY kind of Mute City back, I want the one with pink skies from Melee.

Aww yea! I loved that one!

 

[Thirdkoopa]

If we're getting ANY kind of Mute City back, I want the one with pink skies from Melee.

i'm so with you on this it's the only stage i particularly want left. it's literally my favorite smash stage. GIVE ME IT ;-;

 

[Jetsurge]

well, here's the 3DS stages left to be confirmed, last I've checked,

Golden Plains
Rainbow Road
Paper Mario
Peach's Castle (64 past stage)
Dream Land (Smash 3DS)
Mute City (Smash 3DS)
WarioWare Inc
Pac-Maze

yeah I'm kinda doubting that these stages won't all return.

Pac-Maze needs to come back. Pac-Man needs a good stage, Pac-Land is terrible.

 

[Dracyoshi]

tbh I'd actually prefer to not have any more 64 stages UNLESS they remaster the remaining stages.
A couple retro visuals stages are cool, but when you have them frequently coming up in rotation in For Glory etc then the style will get old pretty quickly. And I think some of the 64 stages would look beautiful if remastered, especially Planet Zebes.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

tbh I'd actually prefer to not have any more 64 stages UNLESS they remaster the remaining stages.
A couple retro visuals stages are cool, but when you have them frequently coming up in rotation in For Glory etc then the style will get old pretty quickly.

eh we're already getting every character with this game. just give me every (possible) stage possible and it's all good

 

[Fierymew]

eh we're already getting every character with this game. just give me every (possible) stage possible and it's all good

Plus, we still got new stages for the newcomers we haven’t seen yet. I’m really excited to see some of the new stages.

 

[papagenos]

How exactly is Isaac pretty likely? Genuine question.., love the guy

i honestly think hes (hate to use this term) "overrated" as far as likelihood goes.

I love golden sun, dont get me wrong here i wanted isaac back in the brawl days, i wanted him for smash 4 too (but i knew his chances were low), when we got shulk (a blonde nintendo rpg protagonist from a more recent game) i knew isaac wasnt getting in... and at the time i hadnt played xenoblade yet and golden sun is still one of my favorite GBA games so i'd have rather gotten isaac. I just honestly feel its past his time at this point, and yes i know this is coming from someone who thinks k rool and geno have extremely high chances. but do keep in mind they both got mii costumes while isaac did not, i hear support for k rool and geno other places than here, i never really hear isaac fans outside of smash boards much.

i would want isaac, i think he comes from a time period nintendo tends to "forget" for whatever reason (post-snes through pre-wii era), i think one of the travesties of brawl was characters like isaac missing out, but i just honestly do not think he got the support outside of the hardcore smash fan base to get in from the ballot and i truly believe his ONLY shot is the ballot.

if we get isaac, im pumped very happy to get a golden sun rep, but do i think hes up there with K Rool/Ashley/Geno/Waddle Dee for likely ballot choices? not really. sadly i think hes more in the line up with characters like an advanced wars reps, chibi robo, wonder red, krystal, saki, ray etc... characters i think lots of people wanted in the brawl days but never made the cut/likely to be assist trophies again/this time etc... i'm not completely giving up hope on these sorts of characters (nor do i think their fans should until they get deconfirmed) but im not expecting them as anything more than assist/stages/cameos and such. i'd say isaac is in the lead of this "category" of likeliness but still he's in this tier and not with the more likely ballot choices in my opinion.

 

[Zinith]

Oh I know all of you want this song in Smash so badly. It's one of my favorite tracks of all time:

 

[Dracyoshi]

Have ya'll seen the new blog post?
Sakurai is literally implying that you should camp the rock at Kongo Falls.

How dare he.

 

[MainJPW]

I can't get over how good Magicant looks.

That's the only stage I needed.

 

[papagenos]

I can't get over how good Magicant looks.

That's the only stage I needed.

being able to turn off the flyingmen will probly make this one of my favorite stages to play, i played it all the time on 3ds and dealt with them just cause i liked the stage so much.

 

[Zinith]

I can't get over how good Magicant looks.

That's the only stage I needed.

Magicant is one my favorite stages as well.

Spoiler

It's also 10x better with Falcon flexing and Yoshi mid-Ground Pound

 

[Dracyoshi]

being able to turn off the flyingmen will probly make this one of my favorite stages to play, i played it all the time on 3ds and dealt with them just cause i liked the stage so much.

It's a shame that the bottom cloud will likely still prevent Magicant from being tournament viable. At least we can make agreements to not camp the bottom cloud in friendlies. Gonna LOVE playing on Magicant all the time; it has my favorite atmosphere out of any stage. Only Fountain of Dreams comes close.

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

On the topic of Magicant, I hope the Flying Men get upgraded to 3D models this time around.

 

[MainJPW]

On the topic of Magicant, I hope the Flying Men get upgraded to 3D models this time around.

They were 3D in prerelease screens.

Mr. Sakurai said 2D looked better:

http://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/21/nintendodream3/

The way I see it he may or may not upgrade them.

 

[Jetsurge]

They were 3D in prerelease screens.

Mr. Sakurai said 2D looked better:

http://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/21/nintendodream3/

The way I see it he may or may not upgrade them.

The Flying Man mii costume came from the unused 3d model.

 

[MainJPW]

The Flying Man mii costume came from the unused 3d model.

I know. That part of the interview is IN the screenshot I just posted.

All this talk about HD Magicant and 3D Flying Men makes me want HD Mother remakes.

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

They were 3D in prerelease screens.

Mr. Sakurai said 2D looked better:

http://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/21/nintendodream3/

The way I see it he may or may not upgrade them.

Oooh I hadn't seen that interview before. And yeah I agree it could go either way. It's possible that Sakurai opted for sprites just because the 3DS-quality models didn't look as good. Maybe the Switch's graphics will allow for a better model that could change his mind?

 

[Wambo]

I can't get over how good Magicant looks.

That's the only stage I needed.

YES, I'm beyond hyped for this stage. The fact that they essentially redid the entire thing makes me wonder if Ninten is actually likelier than most people think (all the extra Mother treatment like Poo/Paula, Kumatora/Boney, EVERY Mother stage, and probably more. Also, this is the Magicant from Mother 1).

The other stage I really want to see more of soon is the brand-new Gerudo Valley. You can see a little snippet of it in Sheik's background and it looks friggin' GORGEOUS. As someone who really didn't like the amount of returning stages in Smash 4, they're really going out of their way to at least update their graphics this time around, and I really appreciate that. It felt so weird playing a character with a Smash 4 art style on a stage with Brawl's graphical "edginess".

Speaking of updating returning stages, I know this one has been talked about a lot, but holy ****, I want an updated Brinstar Depths so bad. I can just see a blog post coming one of these days with Samus fighting red Ridley with Kraid in the background...

 

[Makai Wars]

There seems to be a new Earthbound stage in Smash 5 too, there are only two screenshots of it, one with Solgaleo and one with Snake and the Ramblin' Evil Shroom. Initially I thought he was just a generic "smash run" type enemy but now I think we're gettingPeaceful Rest Valley, AKA that place East of Twoson that Ness has to travel to get to the Blue Blue cult.

AKA the place with the Territorial Oak.

EDIT

Spoiler

Going off the background, Mushroom and it's general pallet I'm lead to believe it's around the Twoson area, it could also potentially be a scrolling stage that segways into Saturn Valley, but this is literally everything we have to go off of.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

There seems to be a new Earthbound stage in Smash 5 too, there are only two screenshots of it, one with Solgaleo and one with Snake and the Ramblin' Evil Shroom. Initially I thought he was just a generic "smash run" type enemy but now I think we're gettingPeaceful Rest Valley, AKA that place East of Twoson that Ness has to travel to get to the Blue Blue cult.

AKA the place with the Territorial Oak.

EDIT

Spoiler

Going off the background, Mushroom and it's general pallet I'm lead to believe it's around the Twoson area, it could also potentially be a scrolling stage that segways into Saturn Valley, but this is literally everything we have to go off of.

THAT

IS

GAUR

PLAINS

FOR

THE

LAST

TIME

COMPARE

THE

GROUND

TEXTURES

AND

LAKE!!!

 

[Wambo]

There seems to be a new Earthbound stage in Smash 5 too, there are only two screenshots of it, one with Solgaleo and one with Snake and the Ramblin' Evil Shroom. Initially I thought he was just a generic "smash run" type enemy but now I think we're Peaceful Rest Valley, AKA that place East of Twoson that Ness has to travel to get to the Blue Blue cult.

AKA the place with the Territorial Oak.

Oh, I know what you're talking about. Turns out, that "mystery stage" is actually Gaur Plain from a weird perspective. I thought it could have been Saturn Valley at first, which would have been awesome (seeing as how Mr. Saturn is such a beloved, recurring Smash item). Not sure why Ramblin' Evil Mushroom is there, though. My theory is that it's a replacement for Lip's flower, and whenever it's smacked against another player, it leaves a poison mushroom on their head instead of a flower.

Speaking of Earthbound/Mother stuff, I really hope we get an option to adjust what comes out of an assist trophy this time. For example, I'd love to have strictly Star Men and Jeff come out of assist trophies in Earthbound/Mother-themed fights.

 

[MainJPW]

There seems to be a new Earthbound stage in Smash 5 too, there are only two screenshots of it, one with Solgaleo and one with Snake and the Ramblin' Evil Shroom. Initially I thought he was just a generic "smash run" type enemy but now I think we're gettingPeaceful Rest Valley, AKA that place East of Twoson that Ness has to travel to get to the Blue Blue cult.

AKA the place with the Territorial Oak.

EDIT

Spoiler

Going off the background, Mushroom and it's general pallet I'm lead to believe it's around the Twoson area, it could also potentially be a scrolling stage that segways into Saturn Valley, but this is literally everything we have to go off of.

Gaur Plains.

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[Makai Wars]

THAT

IS

GAUR

PLAINS

FOR

THE

LAST

TIME

COMPARE

THE

GROUND

TEXTURES

AND

LAKE!!!

Damn dude, this is the first I'm hearing about it, are you okay?

Oh, I know what you're talking about. Turns out, that "mystery stage" is actually Gaur Plain from a weird perspective. I thought it could have been Saturn Valley at first, which would have been awesome (seeing as how Mr. Saturn is such a beloved, recurring Smash item). Not sure why Ramblin' Evil Mushroom is there, though. My theory is that it's a replacement for Lip's flower, and whenever it's smacked against another player, it leaves a poison mushroom on their head instead of a flower.

Really? That super sucks, I really wish they would have announced that the Mushroom is an item officially instead of making me believe we were getting a new EB stage.

 

[Zinith]

Speaking of Gaur Plains, why isn't that stage called Bionis' Leg? Gaur Plains is only a minor part of that area and that's not even where the stage is located...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Damn dude, this is the first I'm hearing about it, are you okay?

It's just...

We've had this happen about fifteen times now.

 

[Wambo]

Damn dude, this is the first I'm hearing about it, are you okay?

Really? That super sucks, I really wish they would have announced that the Mushroom is an item officially instead of making me believe we were getting a new EB stage.

He's always like that. Some people don't understand that we're not always on here.

I'm really curious why Sakurai seems to be tucking away a lot of stuff and not addressing it. The Ramblin' Mushroom, the stages that haven't been fully unveiled yet behind the fighter pages, why we have a new song version of Brinstar Depths, what modes are in this game/how do we unlock characters, etc. I really hope it all gets addressed relatively soon, because I can't handle the stress of not knowing where the ceiling is on this game.

 

[Zinith]

He's always like that. Some people don't understand that we're not always on here.

I'm really curious why Sakurai seems to be tucking away a lot of stuff and not addressing it. The Ramblin' Mushroom, the stages that haven't been fully unveiled yet behind the fighter pages, why we have a new song version of Brinstar Depths, what modes are in this game/how do we unlock characters, etc. I really hope it all gets addressed relatively soon, because I can't handle the stress of not knowing where the ceiling is on this game.

Oh, as a Yoshi main, I know how that feels...

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Speaking of Gaur Plains, why isn't that stage called Bionis' Leg? Gaur Plains is only a minor part of that area and that's not even where the stage is located...

Cause gaur plain sounds cooler than bionis leg I guess lol