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Not at all.So folks...
Here's a question.
Does this question change how you feel about Bayonetta in Smash?
It wasn't just before it finished, it was added in a patch (version 1.0.6) that launched just two weeks after the Ballot started, meaning Bayo was planned and active development on her started before the Ballot even launched.
is a watered down version of in terms of move set and they just said she won.
Brawl and Smash 4 had my boy
flexing on everyone on the css by pimping with bothand...but most likelywill keep him away from Samus while Palutena will probably be super far away from those three (best Pit can get is)The world will not be ready
I could just post a link to it, like so. I'm on a Wii U gamepad, which has a maximum character limit for copy-pastes, so no way in hell am I going to transcribe that behemoth... again... (I copied my original part of it into a text document on my Blackberry to keep it, since I was proud of my work).
So we agree that, during it's runtime, the ballot didn't matter at all then?
This right here, I think if Nintendo were just up front about it then there wouldn't be any controversy.
Yes we can, assuming someone has a reason why this is only now discovered when we datamined Ryu and Roy. Seriously, this is kind fa plothole unless I'm missing something.
That part isn't why I'm upset though, I'm sad that they cheated/lied/misdirected everyone intentionally and even more upset that when everyone else was voting multiple times, I didn't out of respect, only to be greeted with the knowledge that host of the ballot themselves was also cheating.
Because cheating is bad, I assume a lot of us don't care if it's years ago, I know I don't.
Talking about who you're gonna main stuff, some "potential new Subspace/story mode" discussion stuff, some "potential episodic story mode" stuff, some old Subspace discussion stuff, some Brawl related discussion stuff, some potential boxing ring titles stuff, some "choose seven newcomers game" stuff, some team naming stuff, some stuff about the website design, some stuff about the CSS design, some stuff about character changes and datamining the website to find out if there's anything there, some stuff about Gengar's potential inclusion, some stuff about Decidueye, Mimikyu, and Incineroar, some stuff about what reactions people would have to potential characters if they got in, some stuff about complaining about and speculating for Echo Fighters, some stuff about what a potential Smash reboot might look like, some stuff about the legitimacy of the ballot, and some stuff about other stuff.
Meh, Nintendo just did withSo folks...
Here's a question.
Does this question change how you feel about Bayonetta in Smash?
and what most people here expect Sakurai to do with Rex and Springman in Ultimate. Its hard to care since she would have otherwise just debuted in Ultimate instead.
What about the Ridley and Miis part of your post though?Brawl and Smash 4 had my boy
The world will not be ready
But the thing is she appears to have been planned and started development before the Ballot even launched, thus her stated results in the Ballot and it influencing her being chosen was a cover story for the actual context of her inclusion while the real intention of the Ballot (being used to decide characters for the next Smash game) was hidden.
I will copy paste this again:
Oh and the damage control I mean, whew.
I don't know why people aren't
If you want to go by release date, each game has added characters, stages and music from games released the year before.
I know, right? Like we all should stop harassing and yelling and thank Sakurai for dedicating a lot of himself for this game.
Losing faith in your heroes and total disillusionment suit my narrative
Sakurai instead went with his favorite JSRF song, Birthday Cake.
They may have to play damage control now because this is going to be a ****storm.
This still isn't anything especially convincing. How did they find this data? Was it a whole new slot? Why did this not light up at the time? Even if other patch notes had to be discovered several weeks after it happened that doesn't correlate to years later when it isn't even the final patch.
Maybe they did consider it. Then decide it was too much work. They could consider it for like, half a second and there's no lie.
I think what might be the case is that the Ballot originally was intended for Smash 4 DLC. However some time into it, with the Switch really needing to be a hit while saving the Wii U was hopeless, Sakurai and Nintendo decided that it would be wasteful to continue DLC on Smash 4 when those resources could be used for an immediate new Smash game instead on the Switch (as otherwise the Switch would be without a new Smash game for a very long time). However they couldn't really come out and say it, as not only would have they have to reveal the plans for a new Smash game before it even began development, but it would completely kill enthusiasm for Smash 4 and its DLC. So thus the cover story of Bayo being the "ballot winner" to close out Smash 4 DLC was made while they secretly moved on to using the Ballot for Smash Ultimate.
I mean, cool, that's fine, you do you, just don't be surprised or upset when other people who are just now finding out that the time and effort they put into being honest voters didn't matter in the first place are speaking out against what happened.
If all the big ballot picks get in to this one, I'd say most people will be happier at the end of the day that they were newcomers in a new game rather than DLC for an older one.
It does matter because they are going towards Ultimate. The value of your vote has not changed in the slightest. You are choosing to be upset literally over nothing but having to wait a couple years for your new toy.
I don't know all the details yet but I remember hearing something very similar about this a very long time ago (like, not even a year after Bayo's release), so I feel very certain that it's real and only now is getting verified by multiple dataminers for whatever reason. Still, it's good to ask these questions, proof that all this is actually in the code would be great.
You weren't there back when Ryu and Roy were datamined? Alongside their character slots were two character slots named "Mario" (which would later turn out to be Bayo and Cloud). And as I told you, datamining is a process and it takes time to figure out what stuff in the data means; how to determine a character's movement/physics specs wasn't capable at the time and thus people didn't notice these Mario slots had the stats of Zamus and Ike, and once they were capable of doing so they had to go back and look at the now outdated data. Various dataminers discovered it by looking at the data of the game, here's a Twitter thread of Ruben (one of the premier dataminers) explaining it.
This is true, the Wii U really was a sinking ship, and Nintendo really wants the Switch to be a success so I can understand allocating their efforts to Smash5 immediately. However, we don't have all the facts, and the facts that we do have point to us being mislead. We can speculate all day on why Nintendo did what they did but that doesn't change what's actually happened.
It doesn't matter if the ballot was presented as a suggestion box and not a competition with a winner.
I was but I wasn't as into discussing my excitement with people on the internet as I am now. I also kinda placed my hands on my ears and yelled "LALALA" when I saw the leaks for Roy and Ryu. Reall wanted to be excited for them ya know?
1. ZSS wasn't the placeholder. Mario was the placeholder name (as in, the file was called 'Mario') while using ZSS data.Guys.
Who's the last character alphabetically in the SSB4 roster?
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It's very possible that ZSS was added as a placeholder because she was the last character alphabetically. Not because ZSS was used to make Bayonetta.
what he said lol. Honestly, as soon as I saw the ballot and the Wii U's direction, I realized it was gonna be used on the next game.
