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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Then Mimikyu returns to its Poke Ball.
And gets sent back out.

MIMIKYU
COPIES THE COMPETITION

It then reveals that along with Assist Trophies, Pokeball Pokemon may be knocked out. Decidueye, Incineroar, Poipole, Tapu Koko, and every other frontrunner for Gen 7 are revealed as a Pokeball Pokemon. :troll:
 
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And gets sent back out.

MIMIKYU
COPIES THE COMPETITION

It then reveals that along with Assist Trophies, Pokeball Pokemon may be knocked out. Decidueye, Incineroar, Poipole, Tapu Koko, and every other frontrunner for Gen 7 are revealed as a Pokeball Pokemon. :troll:
And then it cuts to a black screen that displays the words "Just Kidding".
 

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Nope, it counts the Pokemon Trainer as 3 characters. I can't take a screenshot, but it says 33-35 on the website.
Yes, that's for the numbering. It's not for the total count.

The 66 is the current number of distinct choices you would have on the CSS if you were to see the full CSS today.
 

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And then it cuts to a black screen that displays the words "Just Kidding".
After it displaying

"About the Pokeball Pokemon. They're not even in. Not Smash worthy at all. But Mimikyu? He's still playable, he's top tier. Bayo 2.0.

Have fun!!!"
 

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Has it been de confirmed yet?
No, that person, I'm assuming, just doesn't like Mimikyu and is trying to rain on your parade. But that's just my guess.

Your trailer idea was cute and honestly it'd be fun to have three Pikachus, we have three Links :laugh: 8 player Smash, Mario & Dr. Mario, the 3 Links, and the 3 Pikachus when??? :laugh:
 

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No, that person, I'm assuming, just doesn't like Mimikyu and is trying to rain on your parade. But that's just my guess.

Your trailer idea was cute and honestly it'd be fun to have three Pikachus, we have three Links :laugh: 8 player Smash, Mario & Dr. Mario, the 3 Links, and the 3 Pikachus when??? :laugh:
Oh alright lol.


Would three Marios be bad? Paper is still pretty different from the other two.
 

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He can pull out a bomb, Z-drop, immediate detonation, recovering Snake-style.

Plus, I think he gains his double jump if hit out of Spin Attack.
I can confirm that is true, especially the part with Link's double jump. I think it makes up for his lack of a tether recovery.
 

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Actually, here's a quick list of "home stages" for most unlockable characters that I came up with assuming that we start with just the original 8:

:4luigi: Luigi's Mansion
:4ness: Onett/Fourside/Magicant
:4falcon: Port Town Aero Dive/Big Blue
:4jigglypuff: Pokemon Stadium
:4peach: Princess Peach's Castle
:popo: Summit
:4zelda: Temple
:4falco: Venom
:4marth: Coliseum
:younglinkmelee: Great Bay
:4ganondorf: Gerudo Valley
:4gaw: Flat Zone X
:4metaknight: Halberd
:4pit: Skyworld
:4zss: Frigate Orpheon
:4wario: Warioware Inc.
:snake: Shadow Moses Island
:4myfriends: Castle Siege
:pt: Pokemon Stadium 2
:4diddy: Jungle Japes
:4lucas: New Pork City
:4sonic: Green Hill Zone
:4olimar: Distant Planet/Garden of Hope
:4lucario: Spear Pillar
:wolf: Lylat Cruise
:4villager: Smashville/Town and City/Tortimer Island
:4megaman: Wily Castle
:4wiifit: Wii Fit Studio
:rosalina: Mario Galaxy
:4littlemac: Boxing Ring
:4greninja: Prism Tower/Kalos Pokemon League
:4palutena: Palutena's Temple
:4pacman: Pac Land
:4robinm: Arena Ferox
:4shulk: Gaur Plains
:4duckhunt: Duck Hunt
:4ryu: Suzaku Castle
:4cloud: Midgar
:4bayonetta: Umbra Clocktower
Inkling Moray Towers
These stages can definitely be the ones they're unlocked alongside. Only thing is, there's some franchises such as Yoshi, Mother, F-Zero and Animal Crossing that have more stages than characters, so we can definitely see some stages have their own unlock conditions, while Fire Emblem and another series or two have more characters than stages, which is a tiny issue.
 
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Actually, here's a quick list of "home stages" for most unlockable characters that I came up with assuming that we start with just the original 8:

:4luigi: Luigi's Mansion
:4ness: Onett/Fourside/Magicant
:4falcon: Port Town Aero Dive/Big Blue
:4jigglypuff: Pokemon Stadium
:4peach: Princess Peach's Castle
:popo: Summit
:4zelda: Temple
:4falco: Venom
:4marth: Coliseum
:younglinkmelee: Great Bay
:4ganondorf: Gerudo Valley
:4gaw: Flat Zone X
:4metaknight: Halberd
:4pit: Skyworld
:4zss: Frigate Orpheon
:4wario: Warioware Inc.
:snake: Shadow Moses Island
:4myfriends: Castle Siege
:pt: Pokemon Stadium 2
:4diddy: Jungle Japes
:4lucas: New Pork City
:4sonic: Green Hill Zone
:4olimar: Distant Planet/Garden of Hope
:4lucario: Spear Pillar
:wolf: Lylat Cruise
:4villager: Smashville/Town and City/Tortimer Island
:4megaman: Wily Castle
:4wiifit: Wii Fit Studio
:rosalina: Mario Galaxy
:4littlemac: Boxing Ring
:4greninja: Prism Tower/Kalos Pokemon League
:4palutena: Palutena's Temple
:4pacman: Pac Land
:4robinm: Arena Ferox
:4shulk: Gaur Plains
:4duckhunt: Duck Hunt
:4ryu: Suzaku Castle
:4cloud: Midgar
:4bayonetta: Umbra Clocktower
Inkling Moray Towers
norfair for ridley, dreamland or the melee kirby stage for dedede?
 
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Oh alright lol.


Would three Marios be bad? Paper is still pretty different from the other two.
honestly I'm surprised Paper Mario still isn't in, I think that he stands a pretty decent shot. It'd be interesting to see what partners he brings from his game. IDK what his name is but Parakarry? The mailman koopa? Could be his recovery, Bombette could be a special, Bow the Boo could act like a counter.

If he got in, even though I'm a huge Toad fan, I'd be pretty excited to be honest.
 

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I think it's ironic how people said Ridley won't make it because he's "too big".

But the same people who hate Ridley and didn't want him in are now complaining about him being "too small".
How are the people who didn't want Ridley in because it would be unfaithful to his size being hypocritical by complaining about him being unfaithful to his size? I don't understand... like, their whole POINT was that he'd be too scaled down if he were ever playable. Did you just... miss that in the meme hype or something?
 

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Nope, it counts the Pokemon Trainer as 3 characters. I can't take a screenshot, but it says 33-35 on the website.
You're wrong I'm sorry, check under the about section and it has a caption saying "Pokémon trainer counted as one, echo characters separate"
 
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After it displaying

"About the Pokeball Pokemon. They're not even in. Not Smash worthy at all. But Mimikyu? He's still playable, he's top tier. Bayo 2.0.

Have fun!!!"
Then I wake up from my nightmare and find out Decidueye has been confirmed to be playable, with Mimikyu being a Smash Run enemy.
The end.
 

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How are the people who didn't want Ridley in because it would be unfaithful to his size being hypocritical by complaining about him being unfaithful to his size? I don't understand... like, their whole POINT was that he'd be too scaled down if he were ever playable. Did you just... miss that in the meme hype or something?
There's some people who valued his size as a character trait that shouldn't be strayed away from, while others find it's more about his appearance and behavior. The former believed that he shouldn't be sized down to be playable, the latter did. That's fine.
It's all a matter of opinion though: there's no right or wrong definitive answer here, it's just Sakurai changed his mind from one camp to another.
Just because he is or isn't playable doesn't mean your opinion is necessarily incorrect (although in my personal opinion, they did him well, even though I can see where people are coming from when they say he's a bit too scaled down, it's just my opinion that size wasn't the most important character trait they needed to stick to.)
 

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I wonder who the new final boss of Smash Ultimate will be? Brawl had Tabuu and Smash 4 introduced Master Core.
 

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Maybe if we got a more in depth special smash this time around, we could adjust the rules for individual players and have a match with a giant Ridley and a normal sized Samus or something. I mean, I guess it wouldn't fix the issue some people have with him entirely, but I guess it could be a compromise of some sort....
 

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However, I think we can all agree that it's stupid to have three different numbering systems on one website.
Eh, sort of. The 65 count serves the historical purpose of denoting how many unique fighters have entered the series thus far, while also separating the echoes from the overall count. This is why the PT Pokemon are counted separately, because they're all unique fighters.

The 66 count on the other hand serves the gameplay purpose of showing how many actual characters you have to choose from in the game, it includes the echoes since they have their own roster spots, but subtracts the Pokemon since they're all a part of a single composite character.

Both numbers serve a purpose to the game, that said, I'm unfamiliar with this third numbering system you speak of. I agree that a third is unnecessary, but the first two make sense.

TL;DR
65 = number of unique fighters
66 = number of choosable characters
 

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How about neither. “Pokemon has too many reps.”
Honestly I wouldn't be mad if this happened but between 7th and 8th getting another Pokemon seem inevitable.

DLC or otherwise.
 
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Eh, sort of. The 65 count serves the historical purpose of denoting how many unique fighters have entered the series thus far, while also separating the echoes from the overall count. This is why the PT Pokemon are counted separately, because they're all unique fighters.

The 66 count on the other hand serves the gameplay purpose of showing how many actual characters you have to choose from in the game, it includes the echoes since they have their own roster spots, but subtracts the Pokemon since they're all a part of a single composite character.

Both numbers serve a purpose to the game, that said, I'm unfamiliar with this third numbering system you speak of. I agree that a third is unnecessary, but the first two make sense.

TL;DR
65 = number of unique fighters
66 = number of choosable characters
The third numbering system is the number of slots on the character page, which is 62 (66 - 2 for Pokémon Trainer - 2 for Miis).
There's also the total number of characters, which is 68.

It gets confusing.
 
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How are the people who didn't want Ridley in because it would be unfaithful to his size being hypocritical by complaining about him being unfaithful to his size? I don't understand... like, their whole POINT was that he'd be too scaled down if he were ever playable. Did you just... miss that in the meme hype or something?
Probably because those aren't the same people.
 

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Honestly I wouldn't be mad if this happened but between 7th and 8th getting another Pokemon seem inevitable.

DLC or otherwise.
I agree. Who it is though is still a mystery.

Anyways, is there any more news, because I feel that we’re back to aimless speculation, and over analyzing Sakurai’s “I hope you weren’t expecting too many newcomers”.
 
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Or because, y'know, people who hate won't change. Anyone remember Shokio? The guy who started the whole "Ridley is too big" thing? He got hella salty on his live reaction and just tweeted "HE'S TOO BIG HE WILL NEVER FEEL LIKE A REGULAR CHARACTER" and ****
Go back and watch his reaction again, but just read his chat stream. Everyone gives him crap about it. Even his own fans.
 

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All this speculation and yet I haven't seen anyone talk about ROB having free followups off of his downthrow. :troll:
 

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It's hard being an F-Zero fan. One of my most wanted newcomers where booted back as an Assist Trophy.
I've been a supporter of Black Shadow getting his own moveset, just like Daisy fans did.

But ... Seeing how Daisy seem to turn out, I'm desperate enough that I'd take BS as Echo at this point, even if he deserves much, much more, but at least we get a new villain, and more F-Zero content.
 
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All this speculation and yet I haven't seen anyone talk about ROB having free followups off of his downthrow. :troll:
Oh, believe me, we've noticed. And us R.O.B. players could not be happier. Although we're generally more excited about his eye emotes actually working outside of singleplayer now.
And ditto the the person who said Magicant looks good. Magicant does look positively stunning in HD.
 
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Or because, y'know, people who hate won't change. Anyone remember Shokio? The guy who started the whole "Ridley is too big" thing? He got hella salty on his live reaction and just tweeted "HE'S TOO BIG HE WILL NEVER FEEL LIKE A REGULAR CHARACTER" and ****
So he was the one who started the whole “Ridley is too big” meme.

Go back and watch his reaction again, but just read his chat stream. Everyone gives him crap about it. Even his own fans.
Got a link to that reaction?
 

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Magicant looks so beautiful!
Oh, believe me, we've noticed. And us R.O.B. players could not be happier. Although we're generally more excited about his eye emotes actually working outside of singleplayer now.
And ditto the the person who said Magicant looks good. Magicant does look positively stunning in HD.
Magicant does look pretty good tbh. I just wish the bottom platform were removed.
I'll never forget this classic though...
 
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