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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Oooh, I wasn't sure when this would be ready! In addition to my own spontaneous videos, my buddy Chris (Adustus, formerly LordJackal LordJackal ) and I have been doing a series of specific Smash topics, but he's been the one editing them. First one on the Inklings is up! It's pretty much just us spitballing ideas.

 

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I ended up making a support thread for Frogger after making the move-set. If you are interested in becoming a supporter, here is the link:

https://smashboards.com/threads/frogger-leaps-into-smash-switch.455167/

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I do not clearly remember, but I remember being absolutely shocked and surprised. I was not a fellow that recognized the FFVII intro music, but once I saw Cloud, it was an unreal sight. I personally think Cloud tops Snake as the best newcomer reveal of all time.
 

Jak_spoon

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Hey guys, I just finished up my references. If you have a chance can you look over it for any huge holes?

List of the Top First Party Wii U Games
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Copies Sold
1.--------Mario Kart Wii U------------------------------------2014----------7.68
2.--------New Super Mario Bros. U---------------------------2012----------5.66
3.--------Super Mario 3D World------------------------------2013----------4.99
4.--------Splatoon-------------------------------------------2015----------4.70
5.--------Nintendo Land--------------------------------------2012----------4.63
6.--------Super Mario Maker---------------------------------2015----------3.44
7.--------New Super Luigi U----------------------------------2013----------2.42
8.--------The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker------------2013-----------2.08
9.--------Mario Party 10--------------------------------------2015-----------1.98
10.___----Wii Party U------------------------------------------2013-----------1.87
11.------Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze---------2014-----------1.73
12.-------Yarn Yoshi-------------------------------------------2015-----------1.51
13.-------Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker---------------------2014-----------1.41
14.-------Pokken Tournament--------------------------------2016------------1.37
15.-------The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild-----------2017----------1.33
16.-------Hyrule Warriors-----------------------------------2014----------1.26
17.
-------The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess---------2016----------1.23
18.-------Pikmin 3---------------------------------------------2013-----------1.23
19.-------Wii Fit U----------------------------------------------2013----------0.86
20.-------Paper Mario: Color Splash------------------------2016----------0.86
21.-------Bayonetta 2------------------------------------------2014----------0.85
22.-------Xenoblade Chronicles X----------------- ---------2015----- ---- 0.84

List of the Top First Party 3DS Games (After 2012)
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Copies Sold
1.--------Pokemon Sun/Moon--------------------------------2016---------14.98
2.--------Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire------------2014---------12.74
3.--------Pokemon: Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon---------------2017----------6.03
4.--------Tomodachi Life--------------------------------------2013----------5.71
5.--------Luigi's Mansion 2------------------------------------2013----------5.28
6.--------Legend of Zelda: Link Between Worlds-------------2013----------3.47
7.--------Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer-----------2015----------3.37
8.--------Super Mario Maker----------------------------------2016----------2.96
9.--------The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D------------2015----------2.49
10.-------Mario Party 3D---------------------------------------2013---------2.40
11.-------Mario & Luigi: Dream Team-------------------------2013---------2.31
12.-------Donkey Kong Country Returns----------------------2013---------2.01
13.-------Fire Emblem Fates-----------------------------------2015---------1.97
14.-------Kirby: Triple Deluxe----------------------------------2014---------1.97
15.-------Yoshi's New Island-----------------------------------2014---------1.67
16.-------Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon-----------------2015----------1.40
17.-------Kirby: Planet Robobot-------------------------------2016----------1.31
18.-------The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes-------------2015----------1.23
19.-------Miitopia----------------------------------------------2016---------1.07
20.-------Mario Party: Star Rush-------------------------------2016---------0.87
21.-------Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam-------------------------2015---------0.84
22.-------New Style Boutique 2 - Fashion Forward------------2015---------0.83
23.-------Rhythm Heaven: The Best+-----------------------2015--------0.80

System----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Units Sold (Million)
NES Classic_----------------------------------------------------2016---------2.30
SNES Classic____________....-------------------------------------2017---------4.00

Nintendo Mobile Games
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr___-Downloads (Million)
1.---Pokemon Go---------------------------------------------2016---------500
2 ._-Fire Emblem Heroes____.................------------------------2017----------10
3.---Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp--------------------------2017----------15
4.---Super Mario Run-----------------------------------------2016---------200
5.---Miitomo--------------------------------------------------2016----------10
 

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@T-Hell @TMNTSSB4 Smashoperatingbuddy123 Smashoperatingbuddy123 Llort A. Ton Llort A. Ton @Originality

T-Hell: Sorry you thought I was being negative, it's just my humor. I would love if these characters got in the game. And like someone else pointed out, I'm making a bet that not all of them are getting in.

I'm not saying literally none of them are getting in.

I really really hope IC's at least are back!

For those that took me on: I lose the bet if ALL of those characters get in, not just one of them.
Oh, I understand, Im still taking the bet. Anything to get that shoe in your mouth, bud.
 

Irarius

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Hey guys, I just finished up my references. If you have a chance can you look over it for any huge holes?

List of the Top First Party Wii U Games
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Copies Sold
1.--------Mario Kart Wii U------------------------------------2014----------7.68
2.--------New Super Mario Bros. U---------------------------2012----------5.66
3.--------Super Mario 3D World------------------------------2013----------4.99
4.--------Splatoon-------------------------------------------2015----------4.70
5.--------Nintendo Land--------------------------------------2012----------4.63
6.--------Super Mario Maker---------------------------------2015----------3.44
7.--------New Super Luigi U----------------------------------2013----------2.42
8.--------The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker------------2013-----------2.08
9.--------Mario Party 10--------------------------------------2015-----------1.98
10.___----Wii Party U------------------------------------------2013-----------1.87
11.------Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze---------2014-----------1.73
12.-------Yarn Yoshi-------------------------------------------2015-----------1.51
13.-------Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker---------------------2014-----------1.41
14.-------Pokken Tournament--------------------------------2016------------1.37
15.-------The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild-----------2017----------1.33
16.-------Hyrule Warriors-----------------------------------2014----------1.26
17.
-------The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess---------2016----------1.23
18.-------Pikmin 3---------------------------------------------2013-----------1.23
19.-------Wii Fit U----------------------------------------------2013----------0.86
20.-------Paper Mario: Color Splash------------------------2016----------0.86
21.-------Bayonetta 2------------------------------------------2014----------0.85
22.-------Xenoblade Chronicles X----------------- ---------2015----- ---- 0.84

List of the Top First Party 3DS Games (After 2012)
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Copies Sold
1.--------Pokemon Sun/Moon--------------------------------2016---------14.98
2.--------Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire------------2014---------12.74
3.--------Pokemon: Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon---------------2017----------6.03
4.--------Tomodachi Life--------------------------------------2013----------5.71
5.--------Luigi's Mansion 2------------------------------------2013----------5.28
6.--------Legend of Zelda: Link Between Worlds-------------2013----------3.47
7.--------Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer-----------2015----------3.37
8.--------Super Mario Maker----------------------------------2016----------2.96
9.--------The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D------------2015----------2.49
10.-------Mario Party 3D---------------------------------------2013---------2.40
11.-------Mario & Luigi: Dream Team-------------------------2013---------2.31
12.-------Donkey Kong Country Returns----------------------2013---------2.01
13.-------Fire Emblem Fates-----------------------------------2015---------1.97
14.-------Kirby: Triple Deluxe----------------------------------2014---------1.97
15.-------Yoshi's New Island-----------------------------------2014---------1.67
16.-------Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon-----------------2015----------1.40
17.-------Kirby: Planet Robobot-------------------------------2016----------1.31
18.-------The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes-------------2015----------1.23
19.-------Miitopia----------------------------------------------2016---------1.07
20.-------Mario Party: Star Rush-------------------------------2016---------0.87
21.-------Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam-------------------------2015---------0.84
22.-------New Style Boutique 2 - Fashion Forward------------2015---------0.83
23.-------Rhythm Heaven: The Best+-----------------------2015--------0.80

System----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Units Sold (Million)
NES Classic_----------------------------------------------------2016---------2.30
SNES Classic____________....-------------------------------------2017---------4.00

Nintendo Mobile Games
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr___-Downloads (Million)
1.---Pokemon Go---------------------------------------------2016---------500
2 ._-Fire Emblem Heroes____.................------------------------2017----------10
3.---Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp--------------------------2017----------15
4.---Super Mario Run-----------------------------------------2016---------200
5.---Miitomo--------------------------------------------------2016----------10
has metroid samus returns sold this poorly or isnt it third party? cant say
 

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In general big characters don't tend to be very important though, at least in Nintendo games they're usually there just for the wow factor, off the top of my head the only notable one I can think of would be Andross
I've seen a few requests for Whispy Woods around, and some people consider Ganon to be pretty large. Other than that there's the likes of Robotnik/Eggman and Wily using large mechs.
 

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Hey guys, I just finished up my references. If you have a chance can you look over it for any huge holes?

List of the Top First Party Wii U Games
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Copies Sold
1.--------Mario Kart Wii U------------------------------------2014----------7.68
2.--------New Super Mario Bros. U---------------------------2012----------5.66
3.--------Super Mario 3D World------------------------------2013----------4.99
4.--------Splatoon-------------------------------------------2015----------4.70
5.--------Nintendo Land--------------------------------------2012----------4.63
6.--------Super Mario Maker---------------------------------2015----------3.44
7.--------New Super Luigi U----------------------------------2013----------2.42
8.--------The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker------------2013-----------2.08
9.--------Mario Party 10--------------------------------------2015-----------1.98
10.___----Wii Party U------------------------------------------2013-----------1.87
11.------Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze---------2014-----------1.73
12.-------Yarn Yoshi-------------------------------------------2015-----------1.51
13.-------Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker---------------------2014-----------1.41
14.-------Pokken Tournament--------------------------------2016------------1.37
15.-------The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild-----------2017----------1.33
16.-------Hyrule Warriors-----------------------------------2014----------1.26
17.
-------The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess---------2016----------1.23
18.-------Pikmin 3---------------------------------------------2013-----------1.23
19.-------Wii Fit U----------------------------------------------2013----------0.86
20.-------Paper Mario: Color Splash------------------------2016----------0.86
21.-------Bayonetta 2------------------------------------------2014----------0.85
22.-------Xenoblade Chronicles X----------------- ---------2015----- ---- 0.84

List of the Top First Party 3DS Games (After 2012)
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Copies Sold
1.--------Pokemon Sun/Moon--------------------------------2016---------14.98
2.--------Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire------------2014---------12.74
3.--------Pokemon: Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon---------------2017----------6.03
4.--------Tomodachi Life--------------------------------------2013----------5.71
5.--------Luigi's Mansion 2------------------------------------2013----------5.28
6.--------Legend of Zelda: Link Between Worlds-------------2013----------3.47
7.--------Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer-----------2015----------3.37
8.--------Super Mario Maker----------------------------------2016----------2.96
9.--------The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D------------2015----------2.49
10.-------Mario Party 3D---------------------------------------2013---------2.40
11.-------Mario & Luigi: Dream Team-------------------------2013---------2.31
12.-------Donkey Kong Country Returns----------------------2013---------2.01
13.-------Fire Emblem Fates-----------------------------------2015---------1.97
14.-------Kirby: Triple Deluxe----------------------------------2014---------1.97
15.-------Yoshi's New Island-----------------------------------2014---------1.67
16.-------Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon-----------------2015----------1.40
17.-------Kirby: Planet Robobot-------------------------------2016----------1.31
18.-------The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes-------------2015----------1.23
19.-------Miitopia----------------------------------------------2016---------1.07
20.-------Mario Party: Star Rush-------------------------------2016---------0.87
21.-------Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam-------------------------2015---------0.84
22.-------New Style Boutique 2 - Fashion Forward------------2015---------0.83
23.-------Rhythm Heaven: The Best+-----------------------2015--------0.80

System----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Units Sold (Million)
NES Classic_----------------------------------------------------2016---------2.30
SNES Classic____________....-------------------------------------2017---------4.00

Nintendo Mobile Games
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr___-Downloads (Million)
1.---Pokemon Go---------------------------------------------2016---------500
2 ._-Fire Emblem Heroes____.................------------------------2017----------10
3.---Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp--------------------------2017----------15
4.---Super Mario Run-----------------------------------------2016---------200
5.---Miitomo--------------------------------------------------2016----------10
Out of curiosity, how'd chibi robo and the wonderful 101 sell?
 

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has metroid samus returns sold this poorly or isnt it third party? cant say
Samus Returns was able to push past the 500,000 mark. Not it's best debut, but pretty decent when you consider how inactive the series was and how late it came into the 3DS's lifetime (notice how SuMo is the only 2017 game on the list). It also managed to beat FE:SoV in the US in yearly sales, despite the game coming out almost four months before SR. Definitely nothing to sneeze at.
 

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I ended up making a support thread for Frogger after making the move-set. If you are interested in becoming a supporter, here is the link:

https://smashboards.com/threads/frogger-leaps-into-smash-switch.455167/

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SonicMario SonicMario

I do not clearly remember, but I remember being absolutely shocked and surprised. I was not a fellow that recognized the FFVII intro music, but once I saw Cloud, it was an unreal sight. I personally think Cloud tops Snake as the best newcomer reveal of all time.
About a year and a half ago I was toying around with the idea of a Frogger moveset. I never got around to going beyond the specials for it, but here was what I came up with:

Neutral Special: Frog Dodge - The key to Frogger's playstyle. Normally, Frogger moves pretty slowly, with his hops being slightly faster than Ganondorf. However, when he presses B, Frogger leaps to the side, similar to a sidestep in functionality. If Frogger avoids an attack this way, he gains a speed and mobility boost. This stacks in three levels. At the third level, he moves at Fox's speed and has virtually no starting lag on his moves. However, should he whiff the Frog Dodge, he will be wide open for attack and lose any built up mobility bonuses.

Side Special: Tongue Whip - A command grab. Frogger latches his tongue onto an opponent. While held, the player can flick their stick in any direction to have Frogger toss foes that way. The flick speed and hold duration affect how far and how fast the opponent will be tossed.

Up Special: Alligator Snap - A hungry, pixelated alligator appears beneath Frogger and opens its jaw, as Frogger notices and leaps upward. It then slams its jaws shut, giving severe knockback to foes caught in its mouth.

Down Special: Serpent Summon - Frogger leaps back as a snake appears in front of him. If the opponent is right in front of the snake, the snake will latch onto them, holding them in place for a short while and allowing Frogger to strike. This move has a short range similar to Mewtwo's Disable.

Final Smash: Rush Hour - Frogger and the opponent(s) in range are brought to the infamous highway. While Frogger ducks into his riverbed home, the foes are repeatedly run over by traffic.


The general idea of the set was to focus on high risk, high reward mobility bonuses and good evasion techniques, as an homage to the arcade game. I may get around to finishing the rest of it one day, but I'm not sure.
 

Smashoperatingbuddy123

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Ok so i’m trying to keep my expectations in check (already lost out on a house my girlfriend and I were hoping to buy) but the thought of Snake coming back is just awesome.

Here’s my question though. If the game is retaining all of the Wii U roster (unless of course it pulls a Gematsu and gives outdated information or something) do they reveal that information at E3? At a later date?

I’ll be honest. I love Smash and would say it’s my favorite game series. But if it turns out that the whole Wii U roster is only being expanded upon, i’ll probably trade in either one of Wii U or 3DS for that extra money down.

Keep an eye out for Friday too. If that’s when the E3 crates will show up, there’s a chance this whole thing gets blown wide open.
Well I can tell Ridley and snake are not old

He doubled down on snake

Ridley is tripled downed
 

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I hope Sakurai gives us a Yoshi's Flipping Island stage like Wooly World had a stage before launch.
As much as I want that, I don't think it's gonna happen. The Woolly World stage was originally gonna be a Kirby's Epic Yarn stage.
Hey guys, I just finished up my references. If you have a chance can you look over it for any huge holes?

List of the Top First Party Wii U Games
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Copies Sold
1.--------Mario Kart Wii U------------------------------------2014----------7.68
2.--------New Super Mario Bros. U---------------------------2012----------5.66
3.--------Super Mario 3D World------------------------------2013----------4.99
4.--------Splatoon-------------------------------------------2015----------4.70
5.--------Nintendo Land--------------------------------------2012----------4.63
6.--------Super Mario Maker---------------------------------2015----------3.44
7.--------New Super Luigi U----------------------------------2013----------2.42
8.--------The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker------------2013-----------2.08
9.--------Mario Party 10--------------------------------------2015-----------1.98
10.___----Wii Party U------------------------------------------2013-----------1.87
11.------Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze---------2014-----------1.73
12.-------Yarn Yoshi-------------------------------------------2015-----------1.51
13.-------Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker---------------------2014-----------1.41
14.-------Pokken Tournament--------------------------------2016------------1.37
15.-------The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild-----------2017----------1.33
16.-------Hyrule Warriors-----------------------------------2014----------1.26
17.
-------The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess---------2016----------1.23
18.-------Pikmin 3---------------------------------------------2013-----------1.23
19.-------Wii Fit U----------------------------------------------2013----------0.86
20.-------Paper Mario: Color Splash------------------------2016----------0.86
21.-------Bayonetta 2------------------------------------------2014----------0.85
22.-------Xenoblade Chronicles X----------------- ---------2015----- ---- 0.84

List of the Top First Party 3DS Games (After 2012)
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Copies Sold
1.--------Pokemon Sun/Moon--------------------------------2016---------14.98
2.--------Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire------------2014---------12.74
3.--------Pokemon: Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon---------------2017----------6.03
4.--------Tomodachi Life--------------------------------------2013----------5.71
5.--------Luigi's Mansion 2------------------------------------2013----------5.28
6.--------Legend of Zelda: Link Between Worlds-------------2013----------3.47
7.--------Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer-----------2015----------3.37
8.--------Super Mario Maker----------------------------------2016----------2.96
9.--------The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D------------2015----------2.49
10.-------Mario Party 3D---------------------------------------2013---------2.40
11.-------Mario & Luigi: Dream Team-------------------------2013---------2.31
12.-------Donkey Kong Country Returns----------------------2013---------2.01
13.-------Fire Emblem Fates-----------------------------------2015---------1.97
14.-------Kirby: Triple Deluxe----------------------------------2014---------1.97
15.-------Yoshi's New Island-----------------------------------2014---------1.67
16.-------Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon-----------------2015----------1.40
17.-------Kirby: Planet Robobot-------------------------------2016----------1.31
18.-------The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes-------------2015----------1.23
19.-------Miitopia----------------------------------------------2016---------1.07
20.-------Mario Party: Star Rush-------------------------------2016---------0.87
21.-------Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam-------------------------2015---------0.84
22.-------New Style Boutique 2 - Fashion Forward------------2015---------0.83
23.-------Rhythm Heaven: The Best+-----------------------2015--------0.80

System----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Units Sold (Million)
NES Classic_----------------------------------------------------2016---------2.30
SNES Classic____________....-------------------------------------2017---------4.00

Nintendo Mobile Games
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr___-Downloads (Million)
1.---Pokemon Go---------------------------------------------2016---------500
2 ._-Fire Emblem Heroes____.................------------------------2017----------10
3.---Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp--------------------------2017----------15
4.---Super Mario Run-----------------------------------------2016---------200
5.---Miitomo--------------------------------------------------2016----------10
Why is Yoshi's Woolly World listed as Yarn Yoshi? That was just a working title...
 

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Noooo DK why you had to sell so low I wanted my Dixie Kong :(
Being the eleventh most-sold first party Wii U game does not make it unsuccessful whatsoever. Also the game outsold itself by 140% on the Switch on the first week, so it's not an unpopular game. I think Dixie Kong has a fighting chance, honestly, and that's based on the character's popularity alone.
 
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Being the eleventh most-sold first party Wii U game does not make it unsuccessful whatsoever. Also the game outsold itself by 140% on the Switch on the first week, so it's not an unpopular game. I think Dixie Kong has a fighting chance, honestly.
Unfortunately, the Switch version probably came out too late for it's success to actually mean anything for Dixie's/Cranky's/Funky's chances. If Sakurai looks at Tropical Freeze, it'll be the Wii U version.

Wonderful 101 -0.36
Chibi robo - 0.3
And that's exactly why I'm not holding my breath for Wonder Red or Chibi Robo.
 

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Unfortunately, the Switch version probably came out too late for it's success to actually mean anything for Dixie's/Cranky's/Funky's chances. If Sakurai looks at Tropical Freeze, it'll be the Wii U version.
Oh I know that. I actually edited my post, so you probably missed it when you were responding-- I think Dixie has a strong chance based on character popularity alone. Tropical Freeze isn't her only game-- there's a lot of nostalgia value in her for the fans of the SNES DKC titles.
 

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So Golden Sun Dark Dawn was considered a failure at .80 mil so thats where I decided to cut my list off. I wonder what the actual number is for a failure.
 
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So Golden Sun Dark Dawn was considered a failure at .80 mil so thats where I decided to cut my list off. I wonder what the actual number is for a failure.
I'd assume it's a game by game basis, taking into account the type of game it is, the platform it's released on, how much it was promoted, generally how much money it made them back, and comparing it to previous games sales. Dark Dawn may have done decently on it's own but it didn't come close to previous games.
 

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So Golden Sun Dark Dawn was considered a failure at .80 mil so thats where I decided to cut my list off. I wonder what the actual number is for a failure.
I think it very much depends on the game. Shadows of Valentia sold around as much as Samus Returns (a little less), for example, but was still considered financially successful by Nintendo in their earnings reports. Meanwhile games like Rise of the Tomb Raider for the XBox One sold tons of copies but didn't make much of a profit due to production costs.
 

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So is there gonna be a Minecraft or no?

Or are the leaks deemed fake now?
 
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I have been listening to Frogger music recently to find what stand-out songs there from the franchise, and there was nothing much. But I do have to question why Jack and Jill song segment ended up in Frogger's theme. lol
 

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So is there gonna be a Minecraft or no?
There will be two Minecraft characters, and their reveal trailer will be them murdering Ridley and K. Rool while Sakurai laughs in the background, “Have you ever made a game?” echoing perpetually throughout the video. The same video will reveal the return of tripping.
 
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VGC says it only sold 0.46 mil
I wouldn't use VGChart's numbers. It's numbers are made up and unsourced, and even when official numbers are brought up, they don't get properly updated (Pokémon is a good example as a number of its titles like DP and BW are around a million off, and it's been that way for years). It's completely unreliable as a source for sales data, and it's better to use NPD or other sources to find out where the numbers could be.

As for Metroid Samus Returns, we have no official sales numbers, but as Cosmic said it did better then FE: SoV (as well as evergreen titles like Mario Kart 7) in the US, and Nintendo said it had 'firm sales' overall in one of their reports. So everything points to it doing well, even if it didn't cross the million mark.
 
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Oh look that we're at 1400 already. Can we get 100 more before next week?
 

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I wouldn't use VGChart's numbers. It's numbers are made up and unsourced, and even when official numbers are brought up, they don't get properly updated (Pokémon is a good example as it's over a million off, and it's been that way for years). It's completely unreliable as a source for sales data, and it's better to use NPD or other sources to find out where the numbers could be.

As for Metroid Samus Returns, we have no official sales numbers, but as Cosmic said it did better then FE: SoV (as well as evergreen titles like Mario Kart 7) in the US, and Nintendo said it had 'firm sales' overall in one of their reports. So everything points to it doing well, even if it didn't cross the million mark.
Yea I know their numbers arent the best but I feel even with bad numbers when you line the games up like this you get a pretty good picture of what Sakuai was looking at
 

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Is there a list that bullet points all the stuff in the Vergeben leak?

I've been googling and I ain't got nothing.
Off the top of my head (I've been reiterating this to several people on Discord);
Smash 5 reuses assets from 4 and doesn't cut anybody, including DLC characters
The Ice Climbers and Snake will return too.
Simon Belmont from Castlevania and Ridley from Metroid will be newcomers.
Minecraft may be represented in some form, Vergeben said that he's not sure how but that he thinks it will either be a stage or an assist trophy.

Also, Konami is making a new Castlevania game for the Switch, and a Castlevania compilation for the Switch, but that's not directly Smash related.
Edit again: The reason that I believe him is because Konami added empty listings for two new Switch games in the last 24 hours on their website, one of which is a compilation of some sort.
 
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So let's play a short game while we're at it


Since we don't know how many 3rd parties we're going to get. If we got to have 3 max, who would you pick? My choices are Simon, Crash, and Bomberman
 

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If that leak is true, every character that's ever been in Smash will be in this game minus Wolf, Young Link, Pichu, and Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle/Ivysaur). Also, I just realized no leaks have included Wolf, which makes me sad.
 

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Off the top of my head (I've been reiterating this to several people on Discord);
Smash 5 reuses assets from 4 and doesn't cut anybody, including DLC characters
The Ice Climbers and Snake will return too.
Simon Belmont from Castlevania and Ridley from Metroid will be newcomers.
Minecraft may be represented in some form, Vergeben said that he's not sure how but that he thinks it will either be a stage or an assist trophy.

Also, Konami is making a new Castlevania game for the Switch, and a Castlevania compilation for the Switch, but that's not directly Smash related.
Edit again: The reason that I believe him is because Konami added empty listings for two new Switch games in the last 24 hours on their website, one of which is a compilation of some sort.
Nice I hope King K Rool is coming.
 

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Oh look that we're at 1400 already. Can we get 100 more before next week?
Wouldn't be too shocked at this point. That being said, imagine how many posts this thread will have 3 months from now, especially given how many posts it has from the past 3 months with so little information.
 
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