Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Nu~]

But we want Simon to look like Castlevania, not Fire Emblem, right? I agree with the people hoping for the barbarian look. The vampire look is obviously cool, but I just think the Barbarian look would stand out more and be more unique.

There aren’t many gothic styles in smash so I don’t see how the barbaric style is more unique. Also, the fusion of barbarian and gothic styles really tickles my fancy, personally.

I didn’t grow up with castlevania, I just like that style a lot. If it were up to me tho, I’d rather have Alucard in smash since he just comes off as a much cooler character to me. But again, I’m no die-hard fan of the series.

The barbarian look reminds me of He-man

yea this is precisely why I don’t like it LOL

 

[Nekoo]

Now we're talking.

 

[MopedOfJustice]

screw it lets just put Dracula, Shanoa, Alucard, and all the Belmonts in Smash

I'm pretty apathetic about most of these characters, but I'd personally love Soma. Vector Zero was made for Smash.

 

[Polan]

if simon is in, i hope we get the classic barbarian look. we have plenty of anime pretty boys in the roster so it would be nice to take a break from that. maybe give him a beard or something for maximum barbarian aesthetic.

 

[SlickWylde]

There aren’t many gothic styles in smash so I don’t see how the barbaric style is more unique. Also, the fusion of barbarian and gothic styles really tickles my fancy, personally.

I didn’t grow up with castlevania, I just like that style a lot. If it were up to me tho, I’d rather have Alucard in smash since he just comes off as a much cooler character to me. But again, I’m no die-hard fan of the series.


yea this is precisely why I don’t like it LOL

I don't mind the vampire design, I was just commenting on the "It looks like FE" comment you made. FE is cool and I'm happy for its fans, but I don't want characters from other series to be inspired by its design, if that makes sense. Simon would be cool either way. And I agree, Alucard as a character would be awesome!

 

[T-Hell]

Alright I've got a question for you all:

Would you have rather had Smash be announced and revealed at E3 if that meant no painful wait until more news?
I think I would have prefered that.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Alright I've got a question for you all:

Would you have rather had Smash be announced and revealed at E3 if that meant no painful wait until more news?
I think I would have prefered that.

I would have preferred a smash direct in april with ton of reveals but its too late for that now

 

[osby]

There would be too little time between announcement and release. We didn't wait so much anyway, just a few months.

 

[-crump-]

Alright I've got a question for you all:

Would you have rather had Smash be announced and revealed at E3 if that meant no painful wait until more news?
I think I would have prefered that.

Nah, that would have meant that this website would still be dead for the last three months, and I have enjoyed all the hectic speculation.

 

[Nu~]

Speaking of Alucard...

(I hope this isn’t horribly off-topic)
Check this out. It’s sooo beautifully animated.
Also, does any castlevania fanatic know what the name of the song is?

 

[Roberk]

Thiiiiissss. It reminds me of Ares design from Fire Emblem GHW

This?

Yeah, I can kind of see it, but not that much.

 

[Pazzo.]

Alright I've got a question for you all:

Would you have rather had Smash be announced and revealed at E3 if that meant no painful wait until more news?
I think I would have prefered that.

I like it the way it is, personally.

Something else to look forward to.

 

[Nu~]

This?

Yeah, I can kind of see it, but not that much.

It’s moreso the shape of the head, drawing of the face, and gothic style that I felt a familiarity with.

It’s definitely not pinpoint

 

[Roberk]

It’s moreso the shape of the head, drawing of the face, and gothic style that I felt a familiarity with.

It’s definitely not pinpoint

Yeah that Alucard that was on the thumbnail of the video you posted had much more of a resemblance. To me, Ares seems more like refined Gothic while the Simon seems more like a rougher Gothic in terms of costume.

 

[Deleted member]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-for-nintendo-switch/76618847

...in a nutshell.

You can replace the crow's face by whoever you want.

So this means that Pyra is likely deconfirmed?
....dang.... I feel sympathy for the XC2 fans.

Can I just say how much I ****ing hate it when people celebrate the deconfirmation of a character? Like how spiteful must you be to find enjoyment out of the dissapointment of others?

I agree with this post 100%.
People like to do it to anger the others, that is why.

We could discuss about how iconic, deserving, relevant, unique, important and round Bandana Dee is.

On it.
Bandanna Dee is likely in my book, and I am a bit confused why he was not appearing in Smash 4.
Bandanna Dee is in more Kirby games and is being more relevant, so he is more likely than previously.
#BandanaDeeSmashBrosSwitch

 

[Hinata]

So this means that Pyra is likely deconfirmed?
....dang.... I feel sympathy for the XC2 fans.

Even if she isn't in the base roster (which is likely, but not a desired outcome), I'm positive she'll show up as DLC.

But besides that, if Pyra is the game, do you really think Skye would say "oh yeah, I did some Smash Bros voice acting" in a completely unsolicited stream? She'd get in loads of trouble.

 

[Pakky]

I really hope if Simon gets in he praises Palutena or is awestruck by Pit.

Do the Belmonts hate witches or no?

 

[FlareHabanero]

There's some great irony when people complain about "anime" in Super Smash Bros. despite every single game being developed by a Japanese company and Japanese-developed games are heavily prioritized as a result.

Like what the hell are you expecting here?

 

[Deleted member]

Even if she isn't in the base roster (which is likely, but not a desired outcome), I'm positive she'll show up as DLC.

But besides that, if Pyra is the game, do you really think Skye would say "oh yeah, I did some Smash Bros voice acting" in a completely unsolicited stream? She'd get in loads of trouble.

Good point.
Because Pyra in Smash Bros. would be nice, and I would not care if she got censored.

 

[Delzethin]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-for-nintendo-switch/76618847

...in a nutshell.

You can replace the crow's face by whoever you want.

Apologies if this angle has been brought up already, but...

It's worth noting that Matthew Mercer was asked about the same thing back in mid-late 2013 or so. He also said he hadn't been contacted. However, he did have lines as Chrom in the final game, both a few clips during Robin's Final Smash and--infamously--being made fun of during the Palutena's Guidance of Robin. This means that either 1) he lied about not being contacted, following the guidelines of a NDA, or 2) he hadn't been contacted yet, and was later on.

Presumably, the same thing could easily happen for Skye Bennett. This lessens the chances of Rex & Pyra being both present and voiced in English in the E3 build, but nothing further than that.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

There's some great irony when people complain about "anime" in Super Smash Bros. despite every single game being developed by a Japanese company and Japanese-developed games are heavily prioritized as a result.

Like what the hell are you expecting here?

I don't even get this idea that Bayonetta and "anime" characters somehow taint Super Smash Bros. That's like something you'd expect from MarioTehPlumber. I think thou doth protest too much.

 

[Pakky]

I don't even get this idea that Bayonetta and "anime" characters somehow taint Super Smash Bros. That's like something you'd expect from MarioTehPlumber. I think thou doth protest too much.

Or the Bit Block.

Then again Rogersbase hates Rayman, which is weird.

 

[One winged Devil]

So has that leak with Simon and rids gone any where because the leaker was the same person who said we're getting a star fox racing game, I need to know this kinda stuff

 

[Zerp]

I don't even get this idea that Bayonetta and "anime" characters somehow taint Super Smash Bros. That's like something you'd expect from MarioTehPlumber. I think thou doth protest too much.

To be fair I can understand the idea of Bayonetta "tainting" the game, if you think Super Smash Bros. is for every age group then you can make a argument that she doesn't fit in and directly goes against that. I remember thinking she was impossible before she got in because I couldn't comprehend the thought of Nintendo actually being okay with adding her to a children's party game lol.
Part of me thinks she might actually not get back in for PR/sales reasons despite how much closer the character is to Nintendo now, there's no way zealously protective parents won't take offense to her presence if they decide to play the game/research it for a little bit. I imagine they'd be a bit more careful about that now since her being in the base roster wouldn't be online interactions only anymore, although they could just make her free launch day DLC lol.

 

[Deleted member]

Can I just say how much I ****ing hate it when people celebrate the deconfirmation of a character? Like how spiteful must you be to find enjoyment out of the dissapointment of others?

I personally hate it when people take roster discussion for a party brawler so seriously.

And this is coming from someone who "was there" years ago, so you can't say it's elitism. It's genuinely not something worth getting so emotionally invested about really. Campaigning for characters, going in depth into speculation and theories, flame wars... etc... and for what really? At the end of the day, the game comes out, people play it, and they learn to accept the results, only for the cycle to repeat itself in a couple years, and the same old discussions to crop up and cycle through endlessly again and again and again and again and again and again.

It's honestly tiring man. And to me it's gotten to the point where I genuinely give zero ****s about who's in or who's not. Sometimes, a character I was not excited for, and surprisingly be very fun for me to play, while the character I really wanted can turn out to be really boring. So I'll welcome anything so long as the idea is executed creatively. I just want a fun game all in all, and that's why I advocate for gutting the roster down around 35 characters, and rebooting all their movesets with fresh new mechanics. I'm more interested in seeing new takes on old characters, than new faces I hardly recognize.

 

[Fenriraga]

I really hope if Simon gets in he praises Palutena or is awestruck by Pit.

Do the Belmonts hate witches or no?

That's... A good question actually. The only time Simon fought a Witch was in like... The arcade game.

I don't THINK they really have anything against Witches? I mean, if one stands in their way, they'd sure as hell kill em, but there are good witches as well (The inheriotor of the Vampire Killer Weapon in Portrait of Ruin, the character Yoko in the 'Dawn of' titles, Maria Renard could KINDA be considered one, heck Trevor Belmont gets hitched with one presumably). So I guess it really depends on the kind of Witch.

What a lot of people don't know about Simon is... Well, he's kinda a jerk and is in one of those "I'm always pissed off" kind of mentalities. So Bayonetta would probably rub him the wrong way, haha.

 

[Cosmic77]

Been quietly reading the last few pages. I love how everyone who's talking about the Vergeben rumor is actively discussing Simon while ignoring Ridley of all characters (heck, some are even referring to this as the "Simon leak").

"Sakurai putting Ridley in Smash? Big whoop. That ain't surprising at all."

 

[Arcanir]

Apologies if this angle has been brought up already, but...

It's worth noting that Matthew Mercer was asked about the same thing back in mid-late 2013 or so. He also said he hadn't been contacted. However, he did have lines as Chrom in the final game, both a few clips during Robin's Final Smash and--infamously--being made fun of during the Palutena's Guidance of Robin. This means that either 1) he lied about not being contacted, following the guidelines of a NDA, or 2) he hadn't been contacted yet, and was later on.

Presumably, the same thing could easily happen for Skye Bennett. This lessens the chances of Rex & Pyra being both present and voiced in English in the E3 build, but nothing further than that.

To be fair, there's quite a difference between an actor saying they haven't been contacted over a year in advance vs. one saying the same thing about 4-6 months. You can easily argue that it's the latter case for Matthew Mercer since VA doesn't have to be done that far in advance whereas we're getting closer to release for Smash Switch and her not being contacted yet would be eyebrow raising.

I do agree that Skye not being contacted yet doesn't mean Rex/Pyra isn't playable (though I will say the way she responsed to the statement makes me think she was genuine, at least at the time), but I don't think it's quite the same situation when there's a much larger gap between these cases.

 

[Fenriraga]

Been quietly reading the last few pages. I love how everyone who's talking about the Vergeben rumor is actively discussing Simon while ignoring Ridley of all characters (heck, some are even referring to this as the "Simon" leak).

"Sakurai putting Ridley in Smash? Big whoop. That ain't surprising at all."

It's moreso we've discussed Ridley to hell and back already for years on end. And this isn't even the only rumor claiming his inclusion.
Simon is a fresh discussion for a lot of people.

 

[MopedOfJustice]

Been quietly reading the last few pages. I love how everyone who's talking about the Vergeben rumor is actively discussing Simon while ignoring Ridley of all characters (heck, some are even referring to this as the "Simon" leak).

"Sakurai putting Ridley in Smash? Big whoop. That ain't surprising at all."

It's less interesting because it's been beaten to death. Even on arguments alone, so much figurative ink has been spilled on how Ridley could be implemented with this or that feature or tweak that there's not much to say that isn't just rehashing something.

Edit: Yet people are still talking about voice actors like it matters at all, so what do I know?

 

[SonicMario]

Been quietly reading the last few pages. I love how everyone who's talking about the Vergeben rumor is actively discussing Simon while ignoring Ridley of all characters (heck, some are even referring to this as the "Simon" leak).

"Sakurai putting Ridley in Smash? Big whoop. That ain't surprising at all."

To consider all 3 characters potentially in this, I've been musing about calling it the "Metroidvania on Ice" leak :V

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Been quietly reading the last few pages. I love how everyone who's talking about the Vergeben rumor is actively discussing Simon while ignoring Ridley of all characters (heck, some are even referring to this as the "Simon leak").

"Sakurai putting Ridley in Smash? Big whoop. That ain't surprising at all."

I saw several people on that rumor's thread say "Wow Ridley in smash, that's predictable" etc. I was like, "Are we all talking about the same game?" lol

 

[Fenriraga]

To consider all 3 characters potentially in this, I've been musing about calling it the "Metroidvania on Ice" leak :V

And the award for "Comment of the Day" goes to...

 

[Arcadenik]

Despite what other might say, there's nothing wrong with being happy that a certain character doesn't get in.

Take Decidueye as an example. If he doesn't get on the roster, I'd be happy, mainly because that would mean Lycanroc would have a better chance of getting in. That doesn't make me selfish or malicious, would it? Of course not. I'm not celebrating that his supporters didn't get him, I'm just happy that the character I really want could still get in.

(Edit: Didn't even realize the user above me used Decidueye as an example.)

> I would be happy if Decidueye isn't in Smash because it would mean Lyanroc has a better chance of getting in.
> I'm not celebrating that his supporters didn't get him. I'm just happy that the character I really want could still get in.

> That doesn't make me selfish.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

There aren’t many gothic styles in smash so I don’t see how the barbaric style is more unique. Also, the fusion of barbarian and gothic styles really tickles my fancy, personally.

I didn’t grow up with castlevania, I just like that style a lot. If it were up to me tho, I’d rather have Alucard in smash since he just comes off as a much cooler character to me. But again, I’m no die-hard fan of the series.


yea this is precisely why I don’t like it LOL

Simon will likely be a playable character, Alucard an Assist Trophy, Fleaman a Smash Run enemy, and Dracula a stage boss.

Whatever Simon's design would be is probably something we've not seen before that combines elements of both designs.

 

[Arcadenik]

Simon will likely be a playable character, Alucard an Assist Trophy, Fleaman a Smash Run enemy, and Dracula a stage boss.

Whatever Simon's design would be is probably something we've not seen before that combines elements of both designs.

Honestly, they should go with the Bayonetta and Cloud route. Have both designs in Smash. Original as the default. Chronicles as the alternate.

 

[Originality]

> I would be happy if Decidueye isn't in Smash because it would mean Lyanroc has a better chance of getting in.
> I'm not celebrating that his supporters didn't get him. I'm just happy that the character I really want could still get in.

> That doesn't make me selfish.

It's not any more selfish than wanting a character in that someone else would be upset about. The displeasure of not having a character you want can be the same as the displeasure of having a character you don't want to some people. Being happy that what you wanted to happen happened isn't selfish.

 

[SonicMario]

Dracula a stage boss.

I'd laugh so hard if Dracula yelled "WHAT IS A MAN" from SotN every time he came in. It won't happen but it'd be hilarious.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Argue all you want that Ganondorf made sense as a clone practically, but saying it fits with his character is just silly. I think deep down you know that. So what if he looks like he's punching link in a piece of promotional art? That's no excuse to make his entire moveset around it. Ganondorf has one punch/shockwave move. That doesn't excuse being based on falcon either. It's like you're pretending that if he was an original character he'd be punching and kicking anyway because he's based on power. You know what his best powers are? Sword fighting and magic. Power does not mean boxing. He is a powerful sword fighter and uses powerful spells. I never thought I'd see the day someone would argue that falcondorf makes sense for his character.

I think deep down that Ganonorf being the representation of Power is beyond fitting.

There you go. Honestly, this is going in circles and I do not accept it poorly fits him at all. I understand the want of his magic moves from OOT, or a weapon. I get it too. I at one point wanted him to heavily use his sword. That changed when I not only played as him heavily in Brawl(not just Melee), but I looked into how his moveset uses animations from TP. That said, the only move I feel that makes little sense is Wizard's Foot. It just doesn't seem like a move he'd do. An extreme strong magical punch is believable, at least. Dark Dive arguably is an issue too.

 

[Arcadenik]

It's not any more selfish than wanting a character in that someone else would be upset about. The displeasure of not having a character you want can be the same as the displeasure of having a character you don't want to some people. Being happy that what you wanted to happen happened isn't selfish.

Being happy that what you wanted to happen happened isn't selfish, you are right.

But you implied that being happy that what you wanted to happen happened at the expense of others isn't selfish.