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We would have so much more to speculate on if they only released the ballot results DX
Ideally, a large portion of the newcomers we get for this game are directly influenced from the ballot.
I think that's why I wouldn't expect more than around 3 (assuming we get around 12 newcomers, so roughly a 4th). I'm also wary that a character such as Issac can get in based on just the ballot...I'm thinking Sakurai will look at the top ballot picks for inspiration but not put a character in just because of that.
But that would result in a lot of old characters or side characters... Granted, not that too many other options are left.
Part of me doesn't want this because I know the ballot votes are going to be scewed. A lot of people thought the ballot would determine DLC characters so people gave up on voting for some favorites like Ridley and Skull kid because they didn't see them actually having a chance at getting into the game.
I'm actually hoping the number of ballot characters is limited. Not only does the ballot completely rule out newer characters, but it would also give us a pretty bizarre (and in my opinion, underwhelming) cast of newcomers. Expect lots of old niche characters that non-Nintendo fans wouldn't know about, veterans, and a truckload of third-parties and indies.
I agree. I think many people are taking the idea that the ballot will have a huge influence on the roster and running with it. I think, at most, we can expect maybe 2 newcomers from the ballot.
As opposed to new niche characters that non-Nintendo fans wouldn't know about that are somehow better because
That doesn't sound that bad to me, to be honest. I mean it's not as if there has been any new Inkling-tier Nintendo character this generation so looking back for newcomers wouldn't lead to any major omissions.
Now this is a legitimate argument and I can legitimately see where you're coming from. As much as the ballot was about who you wanted and not just expected or thought had a chance, expectations were still going to inevitably affect who people voted for. If there is a character you would have otherwise really wanted but you didn't see them as viable, you'd probably think a vote for them is wasted.
It's not really so much people are expecting it as much as wanting it to.
I understand that, but I think it's just a breeding grounds for disappointment. As Cosmic77 was saying, if the majority of newcomers are secondary characters and odd picks, it makes for a disappointing and underwhelming roster. I hope that's not the case for what's going to be THE Smash iteration for the Switch.
I'm just saying that older niche characters typically only appeal to hardcore Smash fans. Newer characters have the advantage of being recognized by both hardcores and casuals.
I agree. I was less familiar with Smash For's newcomers in general, but it did introduce me to Kid Icarus Uprising, Xenoblade Chronicles and Fire Emblem Awakening/Fates, games with living and active fandoms. That's definitely a plus.
That's something I try to keep in mind too. It's not all about who WE want, it's all about how EVERYONE can recognize characters, and enjoy the game.
It'd pretty much only way to make sure I'm not buying the game.
Ah, the "casual" fallacy. You are absolutely wrong if you honestly believe the grand majority of the 1.8 million votes came from "hardcore" Smash fans like people here. Any character that does extremely well in a ballot with close to 2 million votes would not be nearly as niche as you think.
The biggest fallacy you have committed here is assuming that recognising a character and liking the character are one and the same, particularly with the worst example you could use for a "casual" appeal character. ARMS may be huge, but Spring Man himself is nowhere near as popular as you think he is. In terms of actual popularity he gets absolutely overshadowed by several characters within his own home franchise. And yet I'm supposed to believe a character with questionable popularity even within his own franchise is going to appeal to the "silent majority" more than a character like Ridley who even Sakurai has confirmed to be a much anticipated name among the "silent majority"?
I mean, if things come up that guarantee they're not playable, there's no reason to keep predicting them.
For me I'd say Dixie Kong, Isabelle and Bandana Dee, in my mind those choices just make too much sense and they have too many things going for them that if they're not included I'll be genuinely shocked
For me, it's Isabelle, and Mimikyu. It just makes so much sense for them to be newcomers.
Dixie Kong, Geno, Lyn, Paper Mario, Krystal. I'd like to see them in Brawl but now I don't think their chances are high. But I still like to think them in the roster.
Literally the same ones for me. A lot of my "prediction rosters" are "new Mario Rep" "new gen 7 Pokemon" etc, but those three I am almost certain about. Would be shocked if they weren't included.
I wouldn't give up hope on Paper Mario and Dixie Kong just yet.
No matter what the roster for Switch is, people will still initially think it's disappointing and underwhelming. It always happens.
I haven't been overall displeased or disappointed with the roster in any iteration of the game. Saddened by a cut or two, or an exclusion altogether, yeah, but not disappointed with the ENTIRE roster.
There were a lot of people who were calling last game's newcomers trash. They weren't majority, but there were quite a few places they were pretty vocal about it.
I actually was disappointed with the newcomers in Wii U/3DS.
With any newcomer reveal you'll have people who are against the characters inclusion, but anytime I saw the reception of a newcomer's reveal, people were excited or nonchalant about their inclusion. Yeah, I saw the "Why is Wii Fit Trainer in the game?" and "Really? Cloud has nothing to do with Nintendo." and let's not forgot, "ANOTHER FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTER?!"
Nah, there's no proof nor implication that this would be the case. We don't know any scores for any specific characters on the ballot. We only know that Bayonetta was the highest among realizable choices in certain regions.
The problem I have with Dixie Kong is that she was not added before, like Ridley and Waluigi. So I'm not certain she'll be considered for this game again.
But that was before tropical freeze came out, diddy was prioritised for brawl and she missed the timing for smash 4, now the time is just right for her
Takamaru: Perfectly possible. Depends on how much recognition Sakurai looks for
She still could've made it in as DLC for Smash 4. We don't know why she didn't.
Because they didn't wanted to put a first party newcomer unless it's a new character from a really new game.
Cause Corrin was the character they chose to represent a new release, tropical freeze wasn't a new release in 2016 so advertising it wasn't a priority obviously
In defense of Isabelle, there's still a lot more Animal Crossing stuff that could be incorporated into making a moveset for her. Unique, semi-clone (ala Lucas or Luigi.)
as long as you're expecting very few retro's, you should be fine.
Fair enough, though I think Villager is a very unconventional character, so it might be hard to base a character from them.
Smash 4 did great for me. Little Mac, Bowser Jr. and Mega Man were the definitive. I didn't realize how much I wanted Mac and Jr. until they were playable.
