Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[osby]

If monster hunter gets in before Phoenix Wright i’ll be incredibly disappointed
I love when actual characters are added
I love villager but Isabelle is much more exciting to me
I love inklings but I would love to play as Callie or Marie

I think it does make more sense to make playable characters into fighters, if possible.

 

[Deleted member]

Well obviously not all off them
K. Rool, Takamaru, Geno, Ashley, Viridi could all make the jump to playable
But things like flying man and black knight won’t

Viridi would be on the same list as Flying Man, Black Knight, and Chrom, honestly.

 

[MrReyes96]

Viridi would be on the same list as Flying Man, Black Knight, and Chrom, honestly.

I respect your opinion

 

[Cosmic77]

Seriously though, another KI character would basically be Sakurai's way of saying, "I'm adding whoever I want, m'kay?"

 

[Deleted member]

I respect your opinion

It's not really an opinion, though. There is no reason to assume Viridi, or any other Kid Icarus character for that matter, will be a Newcomer for the new Smash....

 

[MrReyes96]

It's not really an opinion, though. There is no reason to assume Viridi, or any other Kid Icarus character for that matter, will be a Newcomer for the new Smash....

I’m not saying she will be I just think it’s not as unlikely as people think
Especially Viridi considering how much of a prescense she had in 4 with the mii costume, appearing in all of palutena’s guidence, and having her own stage.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So we finally got past 1000 pages now. Has there been anything new lately?

 

[Cosmic77]

I’m not saying she will be I just think it’s not as unlikely as people think
Especially Viridi considering how much of a prescense she had in 4 with the mii costume, appearing in all of palutena’s guidence, and having her own stage.

Viridi was a big deal, but back then, Uprising was new and hip. Now it's just remembered as that cool game that could've been better with different controls.

In other words, KI isn't nearly as relevant any more. Without a new game, there really isn't much that would justify Sakurai adding a THIRD Uprising-inspired character over someone else.

 

[Deleted member]

I’m not saying she will be I just think it’s not as unlikely as people think
Especially Viridi considering how much of a prescense she had in 4 with the mii costume, appearing in all of palutena’s guidence, and having her own stage.

So....the only difference between her and Slippy/Peppy is that she has a costume and they don't.


And that they've been doing this since Melee while she's had this sort of role for Smash 4 only.

 

[MrReyes96]

Viridi was a big deal, but back then, Uprising was new and hip. Now it's just remembered as that cool game that could've been better with different controls.

In other words, KI isn't nearly as relevant any more. Without a new game, there really isn't much that would justify Sakurai adding a THIRD Uprising-inspired character over someone else.

I think it’s still cool and hip with great controls
But the difference being that’s sakurai himself made that game
Which makes it weird to me why so many people write off new uprising content
And I hope he’s done with smash after this so he can make a new entry

 

[osby]

I’m not saying she will be I just think it’s not as unlikely as people think
Especially Viridi considering how much of a prescense she had in 4 with the mii costume, appearing in all of palutena’s guidence, and having her own stage.

I think she's popular and important but not that much (also she's not really relevant) . Also she doesn't offer much in terms of moveset, considering Palutena was showing off custom moves and Dark Pit was a model swap character.

 

[MrReyes96]

So....the only difference between her and Slippy/Peppy is that she has a costume and they don't.

I think Slippy should be in too, he’s iconic. And starred in Star fox guard.
Not to mention theirs is always the same, Viridi had much more to say than the generic star fox conversations. The point is Sakurai is clearly a fan of his creation

I think she's popular and important but not that much (also she's not really relevant) . Also she doesn't offer much in terms of moveset, considering Palutena was showing off custom moves and Dark Pit was a model swap character.

If they get rid of custom moves she could use some of palutena’s. Not to mention she’d be a scythe user.
Or even use weapons from the game like her Viridi claws and a reset bomb for final smash

 

[osby]

I think it’s still cool and hip with great controls
But the difference being that’s sakurai himself made that game
Which makes it weird to me why so many people write off new uprising content
And I hope he’s done with smash after this so he can make a new entry

A new game would be cool. And Uprising already had provided a lot of entry in Smash For. If Sakurai really had plans for a full blown newcomer, I think we'd either see them as playable in last time or at least heard about them being considered.

 

[MrReyes96]

A new game would be cool. And Uprising already had provided a lot of entry in Smash For. If Sakurai really had plans for a full blown newcomer, I think we'd either see them as playable in last time or at least heard about them being considered.

Well I hope he’s selfish and adds an uprising character anyway, that game is a gem

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Well I hope he’s selfish and adds an uprising character anyway, that game is a gem

I absolutely loved Uprising, but he got selfish in Smash 4 by adding 2 characters from it even though he should've known it didn't really have a future. It was his own game
They could keep Kid Icarus representation completely identical to Smash 4 and it's still plenty. Dark Pit and Palutena tuning/reworks are the extent of what anyone should reasonably hope for in regards to something playable.

 

[osby]

Well I hope he’s selfish and adds an uprising character anyway, that game is a gem

I'm glad you like the game but why he'd add a character just because he worked on it? It'd be pretty out of character, considering he always makes pretty justifiable character choises.

 

[MrReyes96]

I absolutely loved Uprising, but he got selfish in Smash 4 by adding 2 characters from it even though he should've known it didn't really have a future. It was his own game
They could keep Kid Icarus representation completely identical to Smash 4 and it's still plenty. Dark Pit and Palutena tuning/reworks are the extent of what anyone should reasonably hope for in regards to something playable.

I don’t really count dark Pit but yes i’d be satisfied with him getting decloned and Palutena actually being good

 

[osby]

Well, she's still "better" than Dedede.

 

[A Distant Demon]

As the resident Viridi thread owner. . .she ain't got a chance. No way do we get a character from a once-again dead franchise. As much focus as she got and as I want to be wrong. . .

I absolutely loved Uprising, but he got selfish in Smash 4 by adding 2 characters from it even though he should've known it didn't really have a future. It was his own game

Can we really call palutena selfish? She made pretty good sense if you ask me. ANd Dark Pit was free dessert so doesnt even count

 

[Lyndis_]

I don't think it was really "selfish" of him... Palutena only made sense and Dark Pit was a last minute clone.

Palutena is literally in the names of both the NES and Uprising game in Japanese, and she's been the driving force of the plot of all three KI games. There was no way Kid Icarus wasn't eventually getting a 2nd character with the series returning and it being as old as Metroid. Palutena was the obvious choice being the name of the series in Japan and being the most prominent character in Uprising besides Pit.

I wouldn't by any means put another Kid Icarus character out of the question.

While I do think Medusa is the most likely (although I prefer Hades) being one of the three characters from the original game and the first antagonist of Uprising, Viridi is also a fan favorite so I wouldn't be surprised if they got upgraded to playable status.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

As the resident Viridi thread owner. . .she ain't got a chance. No way do we get a character from a once-again dead franchise. As much focus as she got and as I want to be wrong. . .

Can we really call palutena selfish? She made pretty good sense if you ask me. ANd Dark Pit was free dessert so doesnt even count

Selfish is probably the wrong word. Anyways, aside from Palu/Dark Pit, there's several assist trophies, a ton of enemies in Smash Run, items, 2 stages, and other smaller things like trophies. Smash 4 is loaded with KI:U stuff. I know that's because Sakurai had easy access to that games assets, but there's still a ton of content for that game. So yeah, he went a little overboard with the overall representation of the game.
I don't fault him for how he used the stuff he had, but honestly one cannot deny that there's a shocking abundance of stuff for such a small franchise.

 

[92MilesPrower]

Hopefully Sakurai does the right thing in response to the criticism of him adding Dark Pit as an outright clone by either having him become just an alt costume for Pit or decloning him. Since Kid Icarus is his franchise now, I highly doubt he'll end up cutting Dark Pit outright because of all of that criticism.

 

[MrReyes96]

Well aside from Palu/Dark Pit, there's several assist trophies, a ton of enemies in Smash Run, items, 2 stages, and other smaller things like trophies. Smash 4 is loaded with KI:U stuff. I know that's because Sakurai had easy access to that games assets, but there's still a ton of content for that game. So yeah, he was a little selfish with the overall representation of the game.
I don't fault him for how he used the stuff he had, but honestly one cannot deny that there's a shocking abundance of stuff for such a small franchise.

And I want MORE

 

[Gumzilla]

Name one stage from each of the first three games that was cut that you'd like to return, and one stage from both versions of Sm4sh that you'd like in SSB5!

Mushroom Kingdom (64)
Pokefloats
Spear Pillar
Spirit Train
Gamer

 

[Deleted member]

The point is Sakurai is clearly a fan of his creation

And that's exactly why she's not getting in. Well that, and the fact Kid Icarus is not an active franchise now.

It took until Brawl to get either Dedede or Meta Knight, and that had to do with Sakurai prioritizing other characters over his own.

Smash 4 had the introduction of Palutena, who wasn't "created" by him, but was basically completely remade by him through Brawl and especially Uprising, as well as Dark Pit, who he did create. With their inclusions having to do with Uprising being pretty much one of the most relevant releases when he started work on Smash 4.

Uprising doesn't have that luxury now. Adding someone like Viridi now would only serve as a self-serving bias on his part for one of his own creations. Especially when it means for said less-than-relevant creation to be included that someone who is more relevant past Smash 4 from a different series had to be overlooked.

And while people often want to whine and moan about how characters get in through "Sakurai bias", that's not really a valid reason for a character.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I think Slippy should be in too, he’s iconic. And starred in Star fox guard.
Not to mention theirs is always the same, Viridi had much more to say than the generic star fox conversations. The point is Sakurai is clearly a fan of his creation

Not going to lie, Slippy would actually be a ton of fun; great jumps and lots of traps. Also his game was quite a lot of fun. A tower defence move set would work well for him if for whatever reason Dillon doesn't get it.

Certainly would differentiate him from all the other spacies.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Name one stage from each of the first three games that was cut that you'd like to return, and one stage from both versions of Sm4sh that you'd like in SSB5!

Mushroom Kingdom (64)
Pokefloats
Spear Pillar
Spirit Train
Gamer

Metal Cavern
Fountain of Dreams
Hanenbow
Magicant
Town and City

 

[A Distant Demon]

Selfish is probably the wrong word. Anyways, aside from Palu/Dark Pit, there's several assist trophies, a ton of enemies in Smash Run, items, 2 stages, and other smaller things like trophies. Smash 4 is loaded with KI:U stuff. I know that's because Sakurai had easy access to that games assets, but there's still a ton of content for that game. So yeah, he went a little overboard with the overall representation of the game.
I don't fault him for how he used the stuff he had, but honestly one cannot deny that there's a shocking abundance of stuff for such a small franchise.

Frankly, a lot of that is just because he had worked on Uprising last so reusing the assets was insanely easy. Especially the trophies and smash run enemies. Hence why stuff liek that is on the 3DS only. A lot of very important characters like Hades and Viridi got trophies on the 3DS version but not wii U.

And none of it is making it to smash switch.

The items are, IMO the biggest thing although like 90% of them look like they are smash OCs to me lol

 

[92MilesPrower]

We already got 17 KI enemies in Smash Run, 2 Assist Trophies, 5 items, and a massive amount of trophies in the 3DS version alongside the 3 playable characters. If anything, another character would definitely make Kid Icarus possibly "over represented" and clearly have a ton of bias from Sakurai over all other franchises. And everyone will obviously complain about his bias once again. Heck, it'd have the same amount of Fire Emblem characters on the Smash 4 base roster, and Sakurai stated that with the DLC FE was overrepped.

 

[osby]

Hopefully Sakurai does the right thing in response to the criticism of him adding Dark Pit as an outright clone by either having him become just an alt costume for Pit or decloning him. Since Kid Icarus is his franchise now, I highly doubt he'll end up cutting Dark Pit outright because of all of that criticism.

I think his addition was okay. He isn't as important to give a more original moveset than say, Toon Link, but he doesn't make sense as a alt-costume either.

 

[Cosmic77]

By the way, I wanted to mention that Nintendo's new president, Shuntaro Furukawa, is apparently fluent in English.

Anyone want to see the return Nintendo Directs featuring the CEO?

I don't know what Mr. Shuntaro is like, but he seems like the kind of guy who would enjoy doing the crazy stuff Iwata did. I doubt he'll ever be able to replace Iwata's enthusiasm, but it'd be nice to have a CEO who gets more engaged with Nintendo's fans.

 

[92MilesPrower]

I think his addition was okay. He isn't as important to give a more original moveset than say, Toon Link, but he doesn't make sense as a alt-costume either.

I'm pretty sure that he was originally just going to be an alt costume during development just like Lucina, only to be separated and made a separate character. But either way, Dark Pit is LITERALLY A CLONE OF PIT. If Sakurai can't give Pittoo different weapons than the ones that Pit has and give him a complete moveset overhaul, then he'd be a waste of a character slot again. Also, if regular Link gets a moveset overhaul with his new BotW appearance, then Toon Link doesn't even need to be decloned himself, as he wouldn't even be a clone anymore.

 

[MrReyes96]

Dedede and meta knight not getting into brawl don’t mean anything when st that point the series didn’t have all their all stars
With 5 many of the must have choices are already in the game
Meaning Sakurai adding an uprising character isn’t completely out of the question imo

 

[A Distant Demon]

Dark Pit wasn't a waste of a slot in Smash For. . .unless you really like Alph

 

[TumblrFamous]

The thing that hurts most about that fake leak is the supposed Odyssey DLC.

Waluigi. Beautiful Waluigi playable in a main line game?

With Wario?

Why must people lie on the internet? It hurts.

Um, you're not allowed to lie on the internet. That's illegal.

As for Viridi, she has zero shot. Coming from a huge fan of Uprising (I'm actually playing through it again right now hehe) and an even bigger Viridi fan. Don't get me wrong, I think she'd be great. But as far as we know, Sakurai has not intent on continuing that series. And that's a shame, I'd much rather him give the Smash reins to someone else then work on an Uprising sequel. That game had so much potential to be even better than it already was. Plus, with all of that KI content we got in Smash4? I doubt we'll be seeing anything from it again soon.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I'm pretty sure that he was originally just going to be an alt costume during development just like Lucina, only to be separated and made a separate character. But either way, Dark Pit is LITERALLY A CLONE OF PIT. If Sakurai can't give Pittoo different weapons than the ones that Pit has and give him a complete moveset overhaul, then he'd be a waste of a character slot again. Also, if regular Link gets a moveset overhaul with his new BotW appearance, then Toon Link doesn't even need to be decloned himself, as he wouldn't even be a clone anymore.

Daily reminder that "wasting slots" doesn't exist

Also, while a clone of Pit, he is literally inverse Pit. I think he could (and should) fight in a vastly different way than Pit, even if he sticks to only using the Silver Bow.

 

[osby]

I'm pretty sure that he was originally just going to be an alt costume during development just like Lucina, only to be separated and made a separate character. But either way, Dark Pit is LITERALLY A CLONE OF PIT. If Sakurai can't give Pittoo different weapons than the ones that Pit has and give him a complete moveset overhaul, then he'd be a waste of a character slot again. Also, if regular Link gets a moveset overhaul with his new BotW appearance, then Toon Link doesn't even need to be decloned himself, as he wouldn't even be a clone anymore.

1. Character slots aren't limited beforehand. Adding one character with extra time doesn't waste anything.
2. Dark Pit don't have (if you disclude Three Sacred Treasures) Pit's personality. Movesets are not only things that make characters different.
3. There has yet to be a complete moveset overhaul in Smash and I don't think we'll see the first example on a character who works as a model swap okay.

 

[Bowserlick]

The Kid Icarus newcomers were bland additions to a very creative roster.

I hope Palutena at least gets more exciting specials for her defaults. A goddess shouldn't be so vanilla.

I would not mind Dark Pit as a costume. No reason for his arrows and side special to just be visual changes. Otherwise, I would prefer him as a clone, rather than Sakurai sinking in too much time to declone him.

 

[osby]

The Kid Icarus newcomers were bland additions to a very creative roster.

I hope Palutena at least gets more exciting specials for her defaults. A goddess shouldn't be so vanilla.

I would not mind Dark Pit as a costume. No reason for his arrows and side special to just be visual changes. Otherwise, I would prefer him as a clone, rather than Sakurai sinking in too much time to declone him.

She has... her custom moves. You can use them. They are not that hard to get. She's obviously designed to deward you for getting those moves.

 

[Zippo]

Well I tired.

Literally spit out my drink lmao