Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

This is addictive.

 

[-crump-]

Not gonna lie, I think I’ve changed positions (or “teams”) on this leak back and forth at least ten times since yesterday. I have no clue what I believe anymore.


Unfortunately, the hype over this whole thing has embedded in my mind. I was trying to be apathetic about Firecat, but if his ugly mug shows up I’m gonna be extra disappointed now

 

[Deleted member]

So, uh...Why is Sora being considered in now? Did something happen, or...?

 

[FalcoXP]

So we can all agree it is the Grinch leak not the Banner leak right?

Right?

I like "Grinch Leak" more...

sounds similar to Lich King.... i dont know why but i like that

 

[Schnee117]

I love it when people make a joke become reality

*nasally nerd voice* Well, actually, Joe Merrick was wrong on 2 things throughout his career, therefore, he's unreliable

 

[KMDP]

This is horrifying. If you're completely neutral and throw your bias out of the window, Team Real and Team Fake are 100% neck and neck to me.

It isn't horrifying, it's a beautiful mess!

 

[Deleted member]

I'm still on team "Zoe Trent or bust".

 

[mbvswb]

And then theres me all on my lonesome on Team OH GOD WHAT HAVE WE DONE WE FLEW TOO HIGH

I'm with you on that. If its real it sucks because I love getting hype watching directs with big surprises. Leaks really ruin things tbh.

 

[Deleted member]

Anyone else got pranked?

 

[Mango The Magician]

https://nintendosoup.com/more-evide...imate-character-leaks-are-real-have-surfaced/
This one, but I didn't fact check myself.

He says they work for Bandai, but I've also seen people say that it's uncertain who they work for. The only other information in his post is a set of pictures from the companies site.

 

[Deoxys911]

I think we're all missing the real question here:

Spoiler

What am I looking at?

 

[SoccerStar9001]

Anyone else got pranked?

Everyone here did, regardless if the leak is real or not.

 

[Untouch]

So, uh...Why is Sora being considered in now? Did something happen, or...?

SpawnWave believes that the leak may be fake because it is missing a character that isn't Incineroar, he's brought up Sora a couple times so people think he's referring to him.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Also, about the casual VS hardcore thing. There's BARELY anything for the casual fans. Brawl is 10 years old now. Older than some potential buyers. EVERYONE IS HERE wouldn't appeal to them as they wouldn't get the context. Inkling would as Splatoon is popular, Ridley wouldn't because Metroid is a niche franchise, CastleVania is something kids have no right to be playing ever since the game got good graphics and became bloody, K.Rool also has the "Is older than potential buyers" thing, Isabelle might appeal to them, Incineroar would likely appeal to them as a familiar face but the rest? Golden Sun has been dead, Mach Rider had a single game, Banjo js dead, Geno's Mii costume was the only thing they have to go off of, I doubt Street Fighter is popular with kids these days and Chorus Kids may be a bit too obscure for non Japanese kids. Shadow's going to be popular though I can guarantee that

 

[Weeman]

So what did joe from serebii say?
I keep seeing him mentioned but don't know what he did or say.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Anyone else got pranked?

I'm curious to know what this means...

 

[Abha]

I think we're all missing the real question here:

Spoiler

What am I looking at?
View attachment 171949

The Grinch's partner in crime

 

[mbvswb]

Say this is real, who's the last reveal to make. Gotta be Geno or Banjo right?

 

[beans]

You know what would be cool?
A similar mural to the "Everyone is Here" but it is "They are not there"
It would be a mural with all the speculated characters who didnt make the cut all converging on the same point in the middle
The meeting punchs of Shrek and Goku...
With Waluigi doing a drop kick from the heavens along with all the AT characters

 

[Paperchampion23]

Not gonna lie, I think I’ve changed positions (or “teams”) on this leak back and forth at least ten times since yesterday. I have no clue what I believe anymore.


Unfortunately, the hype over this whole thing has embedded in my mind. I was trying to be apathetic about Firecat, but if his ugly mug shows up I’m gonna be extra disappointed now

I don't mind firecat happening too, I'd just rather him be DLC and this be right first and foremost. I know I'm biased regarding the leak, but I'm also trying to show why it's VERY hard for this leak to be fake outside of art reasons.

There's too much complicated stuff happening in the background that literally makes it seem like a computer with simulations planned this leak if it was a ruse.

 

[Dixie Kong]

I just really hope we don’t have just two characters left. If there’s an alternative that suggests more, great!

 

[Deleted member]

I'm curious to know what this means...

Look at my rank or status (i don't remember how it is called).

It says "Pranked!"

 

[KingofKoopas]

I'm with you on that. If its real it sucks because I love getting hype watching directs with big surprises. Leaks really ruin things tbh.

Not Necessarily. a leak like the vergeben leaks which have been text only still leave reasonable doubt so its still a surprise, then some cuz it's like "that ************ was right!" But when its like this or the ESRB leak then we get into the surprise killers.

 

[amazonevan19]

I think what makes this more real to me personally is just HOW divisive this is. ESRB leak was also super divisive and hard to point out what’s real and what’s fake, and even with this sources are scrambling to find the truth because some were told a certain character while others were told another. Overall the amount of uncertainty to it gives me hope.

I’d say it’s real but I could be wrong, the problem with going all in on one side or the other is you set yourself up for a bunch of people pointing fingers and saying “I TOLD YOU SO” when it’s wrong. You might even become a meme like the guy who said shulk was a photoshopped little mac, and who knows where that man is now. Just don’t put all your chips in one basket, for your own good.

Photoshopped little mac guy, RelaxAlex, still seems to be going strong with his youtube channel. Curious how his name isn't more well known/immediately recognizable for how big the meme is.

Regardless you def have a very good point. I wasn't around for ESRB (well I was around for the speculation cycle, just didn't know about the leak) but everything I'm hearing and seeing about this leak seems to correspond very well with how ESRB went.

The thing is, though, that argument rests on people's feelings and intuitions, which are purely subjective. Feeling a certain way about a leak has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it's factual and legitimate.

The circumstances seem similar to the ESRB but we can't say that confirms it because, well, it doesn't. It's definitely interesting to note the similarities though.

 

[Deleted member]

Say this is real, who's the last reveal to make. Gotta be Geno or Banjo right?

No, the last reveal will be some DLC character
But pre-release? Banjo for SURE.

 

[Deleted member]

Am I the only person unsettled that people are trying to pry into this man's personal life and find out where he works for a video game?

Really starting to feel this is going too far...

 

[Untouch]

So what did joe from serebii say?
I keep seeing him mentioned but don't know what he did or say.

He's just saying that there really isn't a whole lot of information that's actually pointing towards the leak being real, just assumptions and circular logic (he's right).

 

[Wambo]

I tried giving you a secind chance, I really did but if you're gonna keep on being super toxic again it looks like I have no other options.

Oh boy, I love people who pretend like the internet wouldn't explode if ****ing Minecraft Steve got into Smash.

Like, if you really want Steve in Smash, and you got him, good for you. But Minecraft is literally one of the biggest memes now. People say they would laugh if Goku or Shrek got in, and while Steve makes more sense being an actual video game character, he's still just as much of a meme as they are.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Say this is real, who's the last reveal to make. Gotta be Geno or Banjo right?

Banjo definitely, I can only imagine how hyped people would be for him.

 

[Nekoo]

Am I the only person unsettled that people are trying to pry into this man's personal life and find out where he works for a video game?

Really starting to feel this is going too far...

Yup...That's pretty sad...The worst is learning that it might not even be the right Eric, or that he got his name used...

 

[Eru13]

My two cents about this whole insider drama

If anything, all these people being so adamant in saying this leak is fake without providing evidence of it makes the leak stand stronger (and with it I don't mean them revealing what they know because that'd put them in a precarious position, but them actually pointing to something in the images we haven't noticed that actually proves the leaks as wrong)

We know for a fact many of these guys have a close relationship with Nintendo (GX has interviewed higher ups and gets a lot of exclusive deals and Jon had that ridiculous FF "speculation", Serebii was among invited to play LGPE, and so on), they could have been pressured by Nintendo to just say this leak is fake in order to try to move attention away from it

And sure, you can just dismiss this as some "conspiracy theory" but tbh, most of the arguments given so far for the Grinch leak, either for or against it, have been mostly conspiracy theories assuming a lot of things

We probably will never be able to prove this true or false until we actually get a reveal anyway

 

[Raxxel]

Regardless of whether or not this leak is real, I just hope that Eric Bricard is the leaker, because there is no way that man isn't losing his job, and I'd prefer that he would at least deserve it, as opposed to being someone unfairly roped into this.

 

[osby]

Anyone else got pranked?

*raises hand*

Also, let's not turn this Fake vs Real thing into a real fight, it'll get ugly quickly.

 

[KMDP]

Also, about the casual VS hardcore thing. There's BARELY anything for the casual fans. Brawl is 10 years old now. Older than some potential buyers. EVERYONE IS HERE wouldn't appeal to them as they wouldn't get the context. Inkling would as Splatoon is popular, Ridley wouldn't because Metroid is a niche franchise, CastleVania is something kids have no right to be playing ever since the game got good graphics and became bloody, K.Rool also has the "Is older than potential buyers" thing, Isabelle might appeal to them, Incineroar would likely appeal to them as a familiar face but the rest? Golden Sun has been dead, Mach Rider had a single game, Banjo js dead, Geno's Mii costume was the only thing they have to go off of, I doubt Street Fighter is popular with kids these days and Chorus Kids may be a bit too obscure for non Japanese kids. Shadow's going to be popular though I can guarantee that

You're right on everything except that Isabelle would definitely appeal to the casual crowd.

Also, don't forget all the preexisting characters; they work to draw in people too.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

Am I the only person unsettled that people are trying to pry into this man's personal life and find out where he works for a video game?

Really starting to feel this is going too far...

Smash leaks has that power.

 

[Confirmation]

I like "Grinch Leak" more...

sounds similar to Lich King.... i dont know why but i like that

There must always be...a Grinch Leak

 

[Phyr]

I posted it I think one or two pages ago.
He believe that the smash community is bat**** crazy, and got mobbed for saying that the Leak is fake
He then pushed his stance on the leak saying that the burden of proof should be to prove it legit, not to prove it fake.

TL;DR he don't buy it

Like someone told up there, serebii might just be pissed that he was fed false information. He has done so in the past.

 

[PsySmasher]

Am I the only person unsettled that people are trying to pry into this man's personal life and find out where he works for a video game?

Really starting to feel this is going too far...

The Smash community is desperate for news; some people will do whatever it takes to find any new info.

 

[Deleted member]

*raises hand*

Also, let's not turn this Fake vs Real thing into a real fight, it'll get ugly quickly.

I am talking about my account rank.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I'm starting to wonder if this is fake.

I saw vaanrose's reply; I was almost sure that LED screen of the banner had a cloud in Point D that didn't match the current banner, as it seemed to have a bottom part that should've went past Bowser Jr.'s head, but oh well.

I'm not entirely sold on the leak, but I'm not against it either. The proof for it being fake is just as good as the proof for it being real.

Y'know, I just realized the problem with these insider guys; yeah, they can't say much or else they lose their source, but come on, why try to spoil anything at all? Because you want to show off that you know things most don't? Because you want a reputation for being correct? Because you want internet fame?

Anyway, I really think the next direct will make or break this leak; if a new character's pose in the mural doesn't match their pose in the leak, it's dead. If they do match, it's real. It's as simple as that. It's possible that the marketing stuff for the background is different due to how it's printed or something, so meh.

Also, has anyone shared this yet? It's from the B-K thread:

If this is fake, either they went through a bunch of mental hoops, or it's actually the guy involved in the leak and he just messed up.