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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Wyoming

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Eh I am fine with Sony characters that we get nowadays. I.e: The owns associated with them, but the company doesn't own. The former has much better characters.
 

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No joke the first time that happened to me in my playthrough I was like ''The **** I don't want to go back to school and answer questions. I'm an old man. I ain't got time for entertainment making me feel stupid."

Then I realized ''Wait, Google can just solve this **** for me."

Cheating on school work as an adult for a fictional high schooler like a champ.
 

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For me.

DLC #2: Geno
DLC #3: DoomSlayer
DLC #4: Banjo and Kazooie
DLC #5: Crash Bandicoot

There would also be a Fighter Pass 2 with...

DLC #6: Spyro the Dragon
DLC #7: Heihachi Mishima
DLC #8: Sub-Zero
DLC #9: Frisk
DLC #10: Kratos (IMO, if we get a MS character a Sony character is completely possible)

With a few bonuses here and there. Chorus Kids would be done like Piranha Plant as a stop gap character with no stage, between seasons.
If we're doing second season too, it's gonna be:

Bonus 1: Plant

Season 1:
1. Joker
2. 2B
3. Lora
4. Sylux
5. Fawful

Bonus 2: Grovyle as Greninja echo

Season 2:
1. Skull Kid
2. Garnhef
3. Madeline
4. Amaterasu
5. Rokusho

After that I go kinda blank but there is a lot more to be done.
 

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I don't get it, you're all asking for a character that represents the horror genre, but Luigi's already in the game.
Precisely! If we're talking about the gameplay genre. Well even the aesthetic one as well. Asking for genre reps is silly enough, but to to suggest something like RE is getting in just because of a genre quota, would be debunked out the gate.
 

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If I had complete control over this DLC, the remaining 4 would be:

DLC #2: Octolings
DLC #3: Crono
DLC #4: Yuri Lowell
DLC #5: Dr. Eggman

That'd get a nice 11/10 for me with Joker and :ultpiranha: included.
Eh, why not, if I had complete control...
DLC #2: Ryu Hayabusa
DLC #3: Rayman
DLC #4: Shantae
DLC #5: Banjo-Kazooie

Season 1:
1. Joker
2. 2B
3. Lora
4. Sylux
5. Fawful
Appreciate that choice.

Season 2:
1. Skull Kid
2. Garnhef
3. Madeline
4. Amaterasu
5. Rokusho
Wait from Celeste? I love that game and would love to see it represented in Smash one way or another but I doubt she’d make a good fighter.
 
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Eh, why not, if I had complete control...
DLC #2: Ryu Hayabusa
DLC #3: Rayman
DLC #4: Shantae
DLC #5: Banjo-Kazooie
It's funny that the amount of Ryu Hayabusa supporters has like quadrupled since that leak put a spotlight on him. That only means more people are gonna be sad when he doesn't get in.
If, however, he does get in, that would be cool. I never played Ninja Gaiden but it looks cool and seems to be on Golden Sun levels of "deserving more love".
 

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It's funny that the amount of Ryu Hayabusa supporters has like quadrupled since that leak put a spotlight on him. That only means more people are gonna be sad when he doesn't get in.
If, however, he does get in, that would be cool. I never played Ninja Gaiden but it looks cool and seems to be on Golden Sun levels of "deserving more love".
I mean in my case I’ve legitimately been supporting him before this leak. But I’m glad a lot more people are supporting him as well regardless of the leak.
 
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Or you could go with Alex Roivas from Eternal Darkness: Sanity’s Requiem. A first party character from a game that desperately needs more love.
They're a Spirit, actually! Which is progress, considering it's the first time Nintendo's acknowledged the series in over a decade.
I'd personally prefer Pious Augustus as an Eternal Darkness representative if only because I would generally prefer the horror rep to be a monster (and I just prefer their design) but that's just me. Then again, Pious might also be better as an assist trophy which induces a random Sanity Effect from Eternal Darkness...


Also, I've been thinking, and I've come to the conclusion that we're getting either just the Fighter's Pass and a DLC Stage (the more likely option), OR 3 sets of 5 DLC Characters.

10 More characters (outside of the ones in the Fighter's Pass) and 10 more stages would perfectly smooth out the CSS for both the character selection screen and the Stage Selection Screen (taking into account the presence of the Random Button). 15 characters would fill out the currently uncompleted 6th row and fill out an entire 7th row. 10 DLC stages on a separate "More DLC Stages" button on the empty slot would form 2 rows of 5 with a random button and a Base Stages beneath.

Also, this would fit with the stated theme of the Fighter's Pass: All New Characters. (If the 5chan leak is real, then it's really "all 3rd party.")

The Second DLC pass, then, would likely be all Nintendo Characters. This would most likely consist of Edelgard, Sylux, Porky, Waluigi, and Poochy. Mostly safe and promotional picks, with a couple "big hitters."

The final DLC pass, then, would be "never-evers" - characters that were either considered and then cut, or very highly requested characters. This would be a mix of first and third party characters. Waluigi could be in this set, instead, but I feel like he would be more likely to be put in the second set to help increase DLC sales.

If the leak is real, then announcing all of the current Fighter's Pass characters by E3 makes sense - Nintendo could then announce the Second Fighter's Pass later in the year, with their characters leaking into 2021. The Third and final Pass would last them through 2021, and potentially leak into early 2022.

If they wanted to (and the leak is real), Nintendo could even have it so Doomguy and Steve are announced at the Bethesda and Microsoft E3 conferences, with the second Fighter's Pass (and its first character) being revealed during the Nintendo E3 Direct.

There are a few main reasons why I think we're only getting one set of DLC though. Firstly, Sakurai probably would not want to work on Smash DLC for another 2-3 years. Secondly, if all 3 DLC sets are $24.99 each, that brings the price of all the DLC to significantly higher than the original game. Sure, it'd be a substantial amount of content, but the concept of DLC more than doubling the game's price if you want the complete experience does not sit well with me. Also, if the DLC characters bring spirits, and they continue to release promotional Spirits, I could easily see the amount of Spirits in Smash Ultimate getting past 1500 (depending on how many spirits each DLC character brings).
 

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It's funny that the amount of Ryu Hayabusa supporters has like quadrupled since that leak put a spotlight on him. That only means more people are gonna be sad when he doesn't get in.
If, however, he does get in, that would be cool. I never played Ninja Gaiden but it looks cool and seems to be on Golden Sun levels of "deserving more love".
I checked out some Ninja Gaiden stuff to get more familiar with the franchise as I know it's a LOT bigger than I know and searched "Ryu Hayabusa smash". The first videos that pop up had 2k views and is 4 months old. Another video that's 3 years old has 1.5k. Seems like a Belmont situation with popular demand but the vocal fans aren't in the typical Smash bubbles
 

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You’re dumb...but so am I
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but SiIvagunner's channel got taken down
That’s been gone for quite some time (due to the whole “Smash Ultimate music leaks” thing that went on back in November). Videos slowly started being taken down before it was finally put to rest
 
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OPINION: Master Chief would be a better Microsoft rep than either Banjo or Steve.
  • Minecraft wasn't developed by Microsoft at all, just bought by them years into its lifetime.
  • The same applies for Banjo and Kazooie.
  • The B&J franchise hasn't gotten a game in over a decade, I doubt Nintendo's target audience really knows who they are.
  • Master Chief is the face of Microsoft, after all and would be the best crossover figure they could get.
  • Halo: Infinite is going to release....sometime, and it would be nice for him as DLC to coincide with that.
I'm saying all of this in terms of crossover value. I personally think Chief would be the best representative of Microsoft since he was with them since day 1 rather than being bought into them and Halo is still very relevant today.
The problem with supporting a character like Master Chief is you also have to provide counter arguments for Doom Slayer. These are both Sci-Fi Marines with FPS backgrounds. Nintendo would deem it redundant for both and ultimately would have to include one or the other.
 

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Steve and Doom Guy have their merits as video game characters to be deserving of a spot in Smash.

With that being said, and despite the leaks and rumors. I don't think they'll actually be in Smash.

The reason being they're western owned IP's. I simply won't believe it until I see it.

Smash has existed for what? 20 plus years and has nearly 80 characters, and not once a western owned IP has become playable? I'm not saying this is a rule or it's impossible... I'm saying this is a bit ridiculous.

I don't know, but I think past behaviour is a good indicator for future behaviour. With Rayman, Shovel Knight, and Shantae getting curbed into non-playable roles... Idk all I'm saying is the proof MAY be on the pudding here.
 

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EDIT: accidentially quotes the wrong post here and can't seem to fix it. This was about the Celeste thing
Yeah, I ran out there and went for "game that needs representation" instead of something logical.

But defend her:
There is not much to work with except excellent platformer movement to use. That movement alone is already more than, for example, Villager had and Sakurai made him work very well.

I'm not saying she's realistic, but I'm saying she's not an insanity pick.

Now in the mean time I thought up a much more detailed wishlist so next post coming in hot.
 
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Reread the November Direct pages out of curiosity.

Yikes...didn’t expect Smashboards of all sites to get salty over the Direct, I normally expect anger out of YouTube/Gamefaqs but man, y’all were pretty disappointed about the leak being fake too.

....I felt the exact same way at that time, I was streaming it with another site.
 
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Steve and Doom Guy have their merits as video game characters to be deserving of a spot in Smash.

With that being said, and despite the leaks and rumors. I don't think they'll actually be in Smash.

The reason being they're western owned IP's. I simply won't believe it until I see it.

Smash has existed for what? 20 plus years and has nearly 80 characters, and not once a western owned IP has become playable? I'm not saying this is a rule or it's impossible... I'm saying this is a bit ridiculous.

I don't know, but I think past behaviour is a good indicator for future behaviour. With Rayman, Shovel Knight, and Shantae getting curbed into non-playable roles... Idk all I'm saying is the proof MAY be on the pudding here.
Because Rayman, Shovel Knight and Shantae are nowhere near as big as Minecraft or Doom
 

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Reread the November Direct pages out of curiosity.

Yikes...didn’t expect Smashboards of all sites to get salty over the Direct, I normally expect anger out of YouTube/Gamefaqs but man, y’all were pretty disappointed about the leak being fake too.

....I felt the exact same way at that time, I was streaming it with another site.
Of course we were. The last two characters were Ken and flipping Cat Pokémon I keep forgetting the name of.

The leak had a lot of people's most wanteds, mine included. Ken was in that leak too but idgaf about Pokémon. Should've ended off with Ridley or K. Rool. Would've actually been hype.

And World of Light is still a disappointment. It's just event mode on steroids.

All I do now is play online or with my housemates because there is literally nothing else to do.

This game is Ultimate in roster alone, nothing else.
 
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Reread the November Direct pages out of curiosity.

Yikes...didn’t expect Smashboards of all sites to get salty over the Direct, I normally expect anger out of YouTube/Gamefaqs but man, y’all were pretty disappointed about the leak being fake too.

....I felt the exact same way at that time, I was streaming it with another site.
We've had people here try to humiliate me going "LOOK AT HER! SHE THINKS BANJO KAZOOIE IS BORING! SHE THINKS ****ING MINECRAFT STEVE WOULD BE MORE EXCITING FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC!" Hell, one dude put me in their sig specifically to go "THIS PERSON IS THE TOXICITY OF SMASH BROS!"
 
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Of course we were. The last two characters were Ken and flipping Cat Pokémon I keep forgetting the name of.

The leak had a lot of people's most wanteds, mine included. Ken was in that leak too but idgaf about Pokémon. Should've ended off with Ridley or K. Rool. Would've actually been hype.

And World of Light is still a disappointment. It's just event mode on steroids.

All I do now is play online or with my housemates because there is literally nothing else to do.

This game is Ultimate in roster alone, nothing else.
I swear if I had a cent everytime someone acts like they understand how marketing works when they clearly don't I could have bought the Fighter Pass already
 

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Of course we were. The last two characters were Ken and flipping Cat Pokémon I keep forgetting the name of.

The leak had a lot of people's most wanteds, mine included. Ken was in that leak too but idgaf about Pokémon. Should've ended off qith Ridley or K. Rool. Would've actually been hype.

And World of Light is still a disappointment. It's just event mode on steroids.

All I do now is play online or with my housemates because there is literally nothing else to do.

This game is Ultimate in roster alone, nothing else.
Oh trust me, the final Direct is still disappointing to this day.

If that stupid Grinch leak never happened, the blow would’ve been softened but it’s still baffling that Nintendo’s marketing would stupid enough to tell us how many newcomers were left with the Box theory.

And while it wasn’t Sakurai’s behalf, PP definitely felt like a middle finger to the people who’ve been requesting so many characters for year especially after the AT massacre, it’s still a harmless bonus though so you shouldn’t be too mad.

I admit that WoL is kinda boring.

Either way the game is still great and we have a 70 character roster where everyone is her so it’s still “Ultimate” in a sense.
 
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The Case for Minecraft Steve and the "Smash Bubble" Effect

Hello, and welcome to the fourth in a series of speculation posts written by your's truly. In this post I will be arguing about why Steve from Minecraft is likelier than many think, and why people are so quick to underestimate his chances. Lets jump into it:
 
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Damn I put way to much time and effort info this...

Update to my original updated "If I were in control of DLC" post.

Bonus 1: Plant

Season 1:
1. Joker
2. 2B
3. Lora
4. Sylux
5. Amaterasu

Bonus 2: Grovyle as Greninja echo

Season 2:
1. Doomslayer
2. Garnhef
3. Madeline
4. Porky
5. Rokusho

Bonus 3: Rundas as a Sylux echo

Season 3 would have a theme: "That's the Spirit!" You can guess what that means:
1. Fawful
2. Waddle Dee
3. Dixie Kong
4. Geno
5. Wonder Red

Season 4 would be named "From Hero to Zero!" And will open with the Hero from Drawn to Life, followed by Zero and four other assist trophies being upgraded. Each would het An appropreate model-replacement for their assist trophy.
1. Hero
2. Zero (AT replacement: Megaman Zero (yes, that's a different character))
3. Skull Kid (AT replacement: ???? Noone seems like a good fit. Honestly, you can throw this assist trophy away.)
4. Shadow (AT replacement: Silver would be appropreate but Infinite would piss people off more so I'm leaning towards that.
5. Isaac (AT replacement: Felix)
6. Girahim (AT replacement: Zant? Would need his moves to be reskinned too...)
 
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