Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Michael the Spikester]

You say that like it would be a bad thing.

More = more

Wrong choice of words on my part. All in all I'd be down for Sylux. Another villain as well as another Metroid rep. Definitely better then another FE character (Though if they must let it be Edelgard. No more generic sword fighters).

 

[Zinith]

I think because they'd be too powerful.

I mean, c'mon. I don't wanna be blasted by the Light Gun or Mike Tyson, and the Polar Bear from Ice Climbers is pretty scary, if you ask me.

Also, the Moon stole whatever chance Sephiroth would have as an AT. It's basically a one-to-one comparing the Moon with Supernova.

I understand why don't have ATs due to the limited source material. And it's dumb that still has no ATs, but it can be explained by SE's stinginess...

But why ?

 

[LetterO]

Sylux to start the DLC season?

I'd question my purchase of the Fighters Pass to be honest with you.

But Sylux is cool.

 

[Deleted member]

On the topic of Metroid, I still can't believe we DOUBLED from the last two Smash games.

If you were to tell me that Samus, Dark Samus, Zero Suit Samus and Ridley were gonna be in Ultimate, I would'a laughed. Now, while that's three Samuses we have... Dark Samus really isn't a "Samus", more so "she" is Metroid Prime itself and Ridley, well, duh.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If all said 5 DLC characters were all promotional characters.

Byleth or Edelgard
Daemona x Machina character
Gen 8 Pokemon
King Boo
Sylux

 

[osby]

Wrong choice of words on my part. All in all I'd be down for Sylux. Another villain as well as another Metroid rep. Definitely better then another FE character (Though if they must let it be Edelgard. No more generic sword fighters).

While I don't think Robin and Corrin are generic, last thing I want to do is open that debate again. So, instead: What Sylux does and why I should be interested in him if I'm going to purchase the character?

 

[ThatOneAnon]

On the topic of Metroid, I still can't believe we DOUBLED from the last two Smash games.

If you were to tell me that Samus, Dark Samus, Zero Suit Samus and Ridley were gonna be in Ultimate, I would'a laughed. Now, while that's three Samuses we have... Dark Samus really isn't a "Samus", more so "she" is Metroid Prime itself and Ridley, well, duh.

Two Marios
Three Links
Three Samuses
Five Dios

 

[Zinith]

If all said 5 DLC characters were all promotional characters.

Byleth or Edelgard
Daemona x Machina character
Gen 8 Pokemon
King Boo
Sylux

Replace Daemon x Machina character with Poochy

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Replace Daemon x Machina character with Poochy

Watch that Poochy instead makes it as a DLC assist trophy.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The misunderstanding of the Katalina deal is a little surprising to me.

It's a situation similar to the Shovel Knight amiibo misunderstanding deal.

I will definitely be more wary of insider information in terms of context.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Two Marios
Three Links
Three Samuses
Five Dios

Are you trying to sing The Twelve Days of Christmas, or something?

 

[Deleted member]

I understand why don't have ATs due to the limited source material. And it's dumb that still has no ATs, but it can be explained by SE's stinginess...

But why ?

If I had to guess, it's probably that Yoshi's series sharing so much with the core Mario games makes it hard. Besides maybe Poochy, Yoshi doesn't have a lot of original stuff to pull from for things like ATs.

Basically, I think Sakurai probably counts new Mario ATs and items as new Yoshi ATs and items due to how much both series share.

 

[Zinith]

Watch that Poochy instead makes it as a DLC assist trophy.

I was hoping for that in the BASE game, but thanks for rubbing salt in those wounds there Mike...

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I understand why don't have ATs due to the limited source material. And it's dumb that still has no ATs, but it can be explained by SE's stinginess...

But why ?

Hey. King Hippo would be a decent Assist Trophy. Even if I’d rather him be playable.

Professor Hector could be a Gyromite assist trophy. Don’t know what he’d do.... Honestly he should have just been an element in a Gyromite stage sense R.O.B. is the only character without one.

Yoshi should be either Poochey or Kamek (he’s enough of a constant force in Yoshi games that I think he could count)

Game & Watch should be this guy

Prism Repus. The villain exclusive to the Game & Watch version of Balloon Fight. Heck. That version of Balloon Fighter is pretty different from the one from the NES game. Maybe he could work.

Wii Fit. Balance Board? That cute little Mii Dog?

Ice Climber. Topi? Polar Bear?

Duck Hunt? I got nothing

Final Fantasy would probably be Tifa or maybe a flock of Chocobo. But Square got in the way of that.

 

[LetterO]

While I don't think Robin and Corrin are generic, last thing I want to do is open that debate again. So, instead: What Sylux does and why I should be interested in him if I'm going to purchase the character?

He has electricity and morph bombs that work differently from Samus' as far as I know. He'd probably have more abilities given to him if he really is in MP4, however.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I was hoping for that in the BASE game, but thanks for rubbing salt in those wounds there Mike...

Apologies didn't mean to take it that way.

 

[Knight Dude]

Agreed. I'd take a Dixie Kong Assist over Klaptrap. If she turns out to be playable via DLC, I might chance my idea but it seems unlikely.

It certainly is, but for some characters, I can understand perfectly why others feel like it's so close yet so far.

Other characters being Assists are better as that than being playable characters. Like Guile. I'm really glad he was chosen over Chun-Li so that she still has a chance bros. Because Guile wouldn't be terribly interesting in Smash without giving him Charlie's extra moves. And him just crouching back and waiting for a jump in is hilarious.

Dr. Wily would also work well as either an Assist or boss, so i'm fine with that.

On the topic of Metroid, I still can't believe we DOUBLED from the last two Smash games.

If you were to tell me that Samus, Dark Samus, Zero Suit Samus and Ridley were gonna be in Ultimate, I would'a laughed. Now, while that's three Samuses we have... Dark Samus really isn't a "Samus", more so "she" is Metroid Prime itself and Ridley, well, duh.

It's the best. We've made it guys.

 

[Zinith]

If I had to guess, it's probably that Yoshi's series sharing so much with the core Mario games makes it hard. Besides maybe Poochy, Yoshi doesn't have a lot of original stuff to pull from for things like ATs.

Basically, I think Sakurai probably counts new Mario ATs and items as new Yoshi ATs and items due to how much both series share.

I take it you've not played a lot of Yoshi games, because I have a TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON of ideas for ATs unique to Yoshi

 

[Michael the Spikester]

It certainly is, but for some characters, I can understand perfectly why others feel like it's so close yet so far.

Other characters being Assists are better as that than being playable characters. Like Guile. I'm really glad he was chosen over Chun-Li so that she still has a chance bros. Because Guile wouldn't be terribly interesting in Smash without giving him Charlie's extra moves. And him just crouching back and waiting for a jump in is hilarious.

Dr. Wily would also work well as either an Assist or boss, so i'm fine with that.

Kinda surprising Rambi isn't an assist tbh. He definitely feels like he could be one or maybe an item called the Animal Buddy Crate that could work like poke balls and assists with said animal buddies (Rambi, Expresso, Winky, etc.) to aid players.

 

[StellerRJay]

Even with the DLC already being prepackaged with one character, stage, and some music, I hope Nintendo decides to throw in some extra goodies like some assist trophies or character costumes. Maybe even a free mode or two similar to how Splatoon 2 did things~

 

[Deleted member]

On the topic of Metroid, I still can't believe we DOUBLED from the last two Smash games.

If you were to tell me that Samus, Dark Samus, Zero Suit Samus and Ridley were gonna be in Ultimate, I would'a laughed. Now, while that's three Samuses we have... Dark Samus really isn't a "Samus", more so "she" is Metroid Prime itself and Ridley, well, duh.

I know, right?

It's beautiful.

Spoiler: How it feels to be a Metroid fan now a days

 

[KingofKoopas]

Daemona x Machina character

Allow me to get all my Gundam references out of my system

Spoiler: BE WARNED

 

[praline]

I know the topics moved away from this but I was thinking about why the whole "lance/axe would make FE characters so much more unique" argument bugged me so much. It's because, outside of echoes, no FE characters actually play the same.


 - Marth rewards patient yet skillful play by making a sort of figuritive bubble around himself with his sword.
 - Unlike other swordies, Roy lacks in defensive capabilities but has incredible speed and power for a much less careful rushdown playstyle.
- Probably the most basic of the swordies, Ike's moveset is meant to be straightforward and simple to match his no-nonsense personality. Incredible range and power makes him more of a bruiser.
- Robin uses projectile play to zone out foes and create openings for powerful Levin Sword attacks.
- Corrin's incredible range on moves like Dragon Lunge, Dragon Fang Shot, and F-Smash makes him great trapping foes. He's an all around well balanced character with a lot of tools at his disposal.

When arguing for a character's "uniqueness" when it comes to gameplay, don't just think about their weapon choice, think about their playstyle. This doesn't mean everyone has to have a gimmick, it just means they have to have some sort of different approach to combat strategy. Roy and Marth may have similar animations, but in practive, they are way different in design.

It’s cause they all use swords and as we all know... every sword user plays exactly the same.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Two Marios
Three Links
Three Samuses
Five Dios

Don’t forget the Seven Marths, Two Pits, and 3Miis

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Man now that I mentioned it. The Animal Buddy Crate should had been an item. Yet again another item that played out like Assist Trophies and Poke Balls.

Rambi the Rhino
Expresso the Ostrich
Winky the Frog
Ratty the Rattlesnake
Squitter the Spider

Same with the Coconut Gun which could had easily been that instead of the Banana Gun.

 

[Knight Dude]

Pretty sure SpawnWave thinks it's going to be a Metroid Prime Trilogy collection. At least that's what he's said on his show. That way people can play all the games in preparation for the new one.

That'd be cool, but I already have copies of Metroid Prime 1 and 2. So this could be another Mega Man X Legacy Collection thing for me. Where there's one game I want (Prime 3 and MMX8), but I already got most of them already. Well I don't have X7, but I'm not spending money on that.

 

[Deleted member]

I take it you've not played a lot of Yoshi games, because I have a TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON of ideas for ATs unique to Yoshi

If it helps, I do think there's plenty of material for bosses and stages.

 

[KingBroly]

Two Marios
Three Links
Three Samuses
Five Dios

4 Marths

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

We better not ever get another Yoshi rep unless it's Poochy I swear to god.

 

[osby]

Don’t forget the Seven Marths, Two Pits, and 3Miis

You forgot Three Foxes, Two Simons, Two Ryus and Two Peachs

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

TWO SPINDASHES

 

[KingBroly]

We better not ever get another Yoshi rep unless it's Poochy I swear to god.

Surprise!

It's Baby Mario

 

[praline]

We better not ever get another Yoshi rep.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Surprise!

It's Baby Mario

Better.

Baby Mario & Baby Luigi.

 

[Zinith]

We better not ever get another Yoshi rep unless it's Poochy I swear to god.

Considering the title of THIS game:

It's not out of the realm of possibility...

 

[Will]

Four Marths =
Three Marios =
Three Links =
Three Samuses (Samusi?) =
Three Zeldas = [insert Phantom Zelda]
Two Pits =
Two Bowsers =
Two Belmonts =

and worst of all, we got the skywalkers

Too many repeats in Smash, I tell ya.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

We better not ever get another Yoshi rep unless it's Poochy I swear to god.

If we got a new Yoshi rep to promote Crafted World, I think Poochy would be the best choice.

Surprise!

It's Baby Mario

That would be hilarious, but I seriously doubt Nintendo would ever allow anyone to beat up an infant in one of their games.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

But Sylux is cool.

I guess?

But Metroid is also one of Nintendo's lesser series, especially in Japan. Even compared to other Nintendo characters Sylux isn't all that popular.

I'd be more peeved at his inclusion than others at Corrin's inclusion.

 

[osby]

If we got a new Yoshi rep to promote Crafted World, I think Poochy would be the best choice.

That would be hilarious, but I seriously doubt Nintendo would ever allow anyone to beat up an infant in one of their games.

Isn't Kirby a baby?

Honestly, at this point, promotion is the only way Yoshi ever gets a character. Neither Sakurai or fanbase in general seems interested in particular.

I guess?

But Metroid is also one of Nintendo's lesser series, especially in Japan. Even compared to other Nintendo characters Sylux isn't all that popular.

I'd be more peeved at his inclusion than others at Corrin's inclusion.

He doesn't use a sword so he's objectively better than Corrin. Now, don't try to have opinions again on my watch.

 

[Will]

But Metroid is also one of Nintendo's lesser series, especially in Japan.

But Fire Emblem is also one of Nintendo's lesser series, especially in North America.

I swear, you could make a whole civil war between Metroid and Fire Emblem if Metroid goes down the character route.