Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Noipoi]

Woah, I'm sensing some hostility here, chill out yall, we still got 29 days to go.

oh my god we've got 29 days left.
oh my god it's almost time.
oh my god.

 

[Untouch]

Talking about the VGA-

Nominees for @thegameawards will be revealed next Tuesday, November 13 at Noon Eastern / 9 AM Pacific. Hope to see you then! pic.twitter.com/H4m0yBwQnq

— Geoff Keighley (@geoffkeighley) November 7, 2018

Nominee will be shown November 13.
If Dragon Quest/and/or KH III are present, we can get ready
(DQ will probably be in RPG selection, while KH III will be in Most Anticipated game of 2019 if everythings goes okay)

There's a very good chance both will be there, but the big takeaway is whether or not Sakurai is nominated for an award.
Though I don't know if they'd announce it this early.

 

[Cosmic77]

Responding to all those - I figured it was a troll but I do expect to see entitled fans upset that the new Fire Emblem character, or other big 3rd party gets in over...well not just Geno but any big fan want.

Also when I was reffering to Waluigi it was to the fans that we're/are upset about Daisy and Piranha Plant getting in. That was more than one.

Believe me, I already know the DLC for this game will completely break this place apart. We got Ridley and K. Rool, and now fans are acting like they're entitled to every character being popular and highly requested.

There's already people complaining about Gen 8 possibly being part of the DLC. If people are complaining about a Pokemon, imagine how much worse it'll be with Steve and Katalina.

 

[Untouch]

Can someone explain how K. Rool's counter works? I've been hearing it functions differently than a normal counter.

It functions the same, a lot of his attacks have superarmour which damages his belly, if he soaks up 3 attacks he is stunned.
His counter doesn't have that limitation.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, K.Rool having a counter makes a lot of goddamn sense.


What happens if you try to roll into Krusha or Klump as Diddy?


You bounce off.



Why? Because they're swole/fat.

This is why King K. Rool is one of Nintendo's greatest characters. He really isn't a villain at heart, he's comfortable in his own body and promotes body acceptance, alongside getting out there and getting the work.

**** Wii Fit Trainer, where the hell is our K. Rool Workout Tapes?

 

[Iridium]

Only a few more days until I'll finally have the chance to pre-order the game. Won't waste my chance.

 

[LetterO]

Responding to all those - I figured it was a troll but I do expect to see entitled fans upset that the new Fire Emblem character, or other big 3rd party gets in over...well not just Geno but any big fan want.

Also when I was reffering to Waluigi it was to the fans that were/are upset about Daisy and Piranha Plant getting in. That was more than one.

Edit: Misread someone's post. Just because it's more than one doesn't mean it can't still just be a vocal minority so that's fair. But they should chill

It's not entitlement to be unhappy that a character you wanted didn't get in but a character you didn't want did. People have a right to be upset. I'm going to be upset if Katalina gets in but Geno doesn't.

It starts being entitlement when you point fingers and say Katalina took Geno's spot or that Katalina replaced Geno. Or if you say Katalina didn't "deserve" her spot.

 

[monadoboy]

My Switch just finished pre-loading Ultimate and man, that icon looks so good.

Less than a year ago people speculated about a meager Switch port, and now Ultimate is here, with every character in the franchise's history, a brand new adventure mode with cutscenes, return of competitive mechanics and a ton of new ones. And yet the ride's not over with DLC coming + .
Nintendo really loves to spoil their fans.

 

[Nekoo]

Well lucky for you that thread was a joke reference and this is EXACTLY what I feared would happen. NOBODY is seriously saying that

I meaaaan...The thread was a joke, but the situation everywhere still have a part of truth. Since the reveal of Piranha plant, Geno fans get attacked, but they're also extremely defensive whenever someone brought up Geno's chance as a Square-Enix rep even more after the Tweet saying that Nintendo made the selection.

TL;DR that situation as a whole is stupid, people should just enjoy that AT THE VERY LEAST we might get an SE rep, whoever that is and enjoy the ride, hope for the best, without attacking other people

 

[Kuraudo]

In no particular order of reveal,

Geno - Mii Fighter outfit, insanely popular, speculated Square-Enix DLC incoming. Sakurai wanted him since Brawl. Super Mario RPG & Geno not forgotten. IMO highest possibility.
Lloyd Irving - Between him and Heihachi (who could be seen as a loving tribute using older voice clips from various Tekken games). Mii Fighter outfit, arguably the Cloud Strife of the Tales series in terms of popularity. Possible Yuri Lowell Mii Fighter outfit to go along with the Switch release of Tales of Vesperia?
Banjo & Kazooie - Arguably the biggest requested icons for ages, merchandise renewal, Microsoft's willing to play ball. Speculated Minecraft content (if not a character, Mii Fighter costume for the swordfighter) which lends itself to Microsoft involvement.
Katalina - Granblue Fantasy, while having a substantial following in Japan, hasn't made a huge gacha splash like Fire Emblem Heroes or Fate/Grand Order have in the Americas. That being said, asides from potential rumors and Nintendo holding Cygames stock (Dragalia Lost being made by them too), she feels like the "outta left field" character that sparked buzz like Cloud did, albeit not from a popularity standpoint.
Rex/Pyra/Mythra - Despite being "deconfirmed" by being given a Mii Fighter outfit, I still feel as though their chances stand to be fairly high. And I noted all three because my prediction is that all three are going to be playable characters. Much like the Pokémon Trainer is three characters in one. (I've played XC2, so I know how lore-wise the driver/blade system works.)

Honestly, if this were my wishlist, it'd have had Shadow, Sephiroth or Sora on it, but hey. It could happen. And if Smash 4's DLC taught us anything, it's that the grand majority of it (even the veterans) were fanservice that got people hyped and bought it all.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

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In no particular order of reveal,

Geno - Mii Fighter outfit, insanely popular, speculated Square-Enix DLC incoming. Sakurai wanted him since Brawl. Super Mario RPG & Geno not forgotten. IMO highest possibility.
Lloyd Irving - Between him and Heihachi (who could be seen as a loving tribute using older voice clips from various Tekken games). Mii Fighter outfit, arguably the Cloud Strife of the Tales series in terms of popularity. Possible Yuri Lowell Mii Fighter outfit to go along with the Switch release of Tales of Vesperia?
Banjo & Kazooie - Arguably the biggest requested icons for ages, merchandise renewal, Microsoft's willing to play ball. Speculated Minecraft content (if not a character, Mii Fighter costume for the swordfighter) which lends itself to Microsoft involvement.
Katalina - Granblue Fantasy, while having a substantial following in Japan, hasn't made a huge gacha splash like Fire Emblem Heroes or Fate/Grand Order have in the Americas. That being said, asides from potential rumors and Nintendo holding Cygames stock (Dragalia Lost being made by them too), she feels like the "outta left field" character that sparked buzz like Cloud did, albeit not from a popularity standpoint.
Rex/Pyra/Mythra - Despite being "deconfirmed" by being given a Mii Fighter outfit, I still feel as though their chances stand to be fairly high. And I noted all three because my prediction is that all three are going to be playable characters. Much like the Pokémon Trainer is three characters in one. (I've played XC2, so I know how lore-wise the driver/blade system works.)

Honestly, if this were my wishlist, it'd have had Shadow, Sephiroth or Sora on it, but hey. It could happen. And if Smash 4's DLC taught us anything, it's that the grand majority of it (even the veterans) was fanservice that got people hyped and bought it all.

that wpuld be a pretty hard pass from me if that was the DLC

 

[Luigi The President]

I meaaaan...The thread was a joke, but the situation everywhere still have a part of truth. Since the reveal of Piranha plant, Geno fans get attacked, but they're also extremely defensive whenever someone brought up Geno's chance as a Square-Enix rep even more after the Tweet saying that Nintendo made the selection.

TL;DR that situation as a whole is stupid, people should just enjoy that AT THE VERY LEAST we might get an SE rep, whoever that is and enjoy the ride, hope for the best, without attacking other people

So they're being attacked....and defending themselves after being attacked?

I'm obviously very against anyone being attacked for something as simple as a Smash choice.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

For those who think PP got chimped out of the big render, I came across a neat fan-made one that incorporates him, amongst a collage of the others.

https://www.deviantart.com/nin-mario64/art/Super-Smash-Bros-Ultimate-V3-771384494

Spoiler

Edit: It's obviously subject to change, since I just noticed some are missing. 30 left, to be exact.

 

[Nekoo]

So they're being attacked....and defending themselves after being attacked?

I'm obviously very against anyone being attacked for something as simple as a Smash choice.

No? It's from both side, Geno fans jumping in thread when someone mention another SE name and just says "No it's Geno"
The thread can be about Sora, Neku, 2B, Crono, whoever the **** you want from Square-Enix, you will have Geno fans jumping in the thread and going "MUH PUPPET AND HES IN"

That's why I said both sides are stupids

 

[Untouch]

Red Hot Opinion of The Hour
I'd rather have Nia than Rex.

 

[Noipoi]

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In no particular order of reveal,

Geno - Mii Fighter outfit, insanely popular, speculated Square-Enix DLC incoming. Sakurai wanted him since Brawl. Super Mario RPG & Geno not forgotten. IMO highest possibility.
Lloyd Irving - Between him and Heihachi (who could be seen as a loving tribute using older voice clips from various Tekken games). Mii Fighter outfit, arguably the Cloud Strife of the Tales series in terms of popularity. Possible Yuri Lowell Mii Fighter outfit to go along with the Switch release of Tales of Vesperia?
Banjo & Kazooie - Arguably the biggest requested icons for ages, merchandise renewal, Microsoft's willing to play ball. Speculated Minecraft content (if not a character, Mii Fighter costume for the swordfighter) which lends itself to Microsoft involvement.
Katalina - Granblue Fantasy, while having a substantial following in Japan, hasn't made a huge gacha splash like Fire Emblem Heroes or Fate/Grand Order have in the Americas. That being said, asides from potential rumors and Nintendo holding Cygames stock (Dragalia Lost being made by them too), she feels like the "outta left field" character that sparked buzz like Cloud did, albeit not from a popularity standpoint.
Rex/Pyra/Mythra - Despite being "deconfirmed" by being given a Mii Fighter outfit, I still feel as though their chances stand to be fairly high. And I noted all three because my prediction is that all three are going to be playable characters. Much like the Pokémon Trainer is three characters in one. (I've played XC2, so I know how lore-wise the driver/blade system works.)

Honestly, if this were my wishlist, it'd have had Shadow, Sephiroth or Sora on it, but hey. It could happen. And if Smash 4's DLC taught us anything, it's that the grand majority of it (even the veterans) were fanservice that got people hyped and bought it all.

I am 100% ok with this.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Plot twist, nothing's revealed at the game awards.

Or better yet, it turns out to be not SE, but actually Capcom complete with a reveal of Phoenix Wright.

 

[Jetsurge]

Responding to all those - I figured it was a troll but I do expect to see entitled fans upset that the new Fire Emblem character, or other big 3rd party gets in over...well not just Geno but any big fan want.

I personally think FE fans are the entitled ones. The series already has far more characters than it needs and they're still asking for more.

 

[Deleted member]

Katalina has ice powers apparently, and I do rather want an actual ice-user in smash (only one he have now is IC). I suppose if she uses ice a lot I’ll be less averse to her.

 

[Deleted member]

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In no particular order of reveal,

Geno - Mii Fighter outfit, insanely popular, speculated Square-Enix DLC incoming. Sakurai wanted him since Brawl. Super Mario RPG & Geno not forgotten. IMO highest possibility.
Lloyd Irving - Between him and Heihachi (who could be seen as a loving tribute using older voice clips from various Tekken games). Mii Fighter outfit, arguably the Cloud Strife of the Tales series in terms of popularity. Possible Yuri Lowell Mii Fighter outfit to go along with the Switch release of Tales of Vesperia?
Banjo & Kazooie - Arguably the biggest requested icons for ages, merchandise renewal, Microsoft's willing to play ball. Speculated Minecraft content (if not a character, Mii Fighter costume for the swordfighter) which lends itself to Microsoft involvement.
Katalina - Granblue Fantasy, while having a substantial following in Japan, hasn't made a huge gacha splash like Fire Emblem Heroes or Fate/Grand Order have in the Americas. That being said, asides from potential rumors and Nintendo holding Cygames stock (Dragalia Lost being made by them too), she feels like the "outta left field" character that sparked buzz like Cloud did, albeit not from a popularity standpoint.
Rex/Pyra/Mythra - Despite being "deconfirmed" by being given a Mii Fighter outfit, I still feel as though their chances stand to be fairly high. And I noted all three because my prediction is that all three are going to be playable characters. Much like the Pokémon Trainer is three characters in one. (I've played XC2, so I know how lore-wise the driver/blade system works.)

Honestly, if this were my wishlist, it'd have had Shadow, Sephiroth or Sora on it, but hey. It could happen. And if Smash 4's DLC taught us anything, it's that the grand majority of it (even the veterans) were fanservice that got people hyped and bought it all.

This will be the one time I will let Great Value-brand Fire Emblem allowed. Other than that, any other packs can BTFO.

 

[DraginHikari]

Believe me, I already know the DLC for this game will completely break this place apart. We got Ridley and K. Rool, and now fans are acting like they're entitled to every character being popular and highly requested.

There's already people complaining about Gen 8 possibly being part of the DLC. If people are complaining about a Pokemon, imagine how much worse it'll be with Steve and Katalina.

Given the level of salt that seems to be scattered around this time, if we end up with another Bayonetta situation again all hell will break loose.

 

[Cosmic77]

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In no particular order of reveal,

Geno - Mii Fighter outfit, insanely popular, speculated Square-Enix DLC incoming. Sakurai wanted him since Brawl. Super Mario RPG & Geno not forgotten. IMO highest possibility.
Lloyd Irving - Between him and Heihachi (who could be seen as a loving tribute using older voice clips from various Tekken games). Mii Fighter outfit, arguably the Cloud Strife of the Tales series in terms of popularity. Possible Yuri Lowell Mii Fighter outfit to go along with the Switch release of Tales of Vesperia?
Banjo & Kazooie - Arguably the biggest requested icons for ages, merchandise renewal, Microsoft's willing to play ball. Speculated Minecraft content (if not a character, Mii Fighter costume for the swordfighter) which lends itself to Microsoft involvement.
Katalina - Granblue Fantasy, while having a substantial following in Japan, hasn't made a huge gacha splash like Fire Emblem Heroes or Fate/Grand Order have in the Americas. That being said, asides from potential rumors and Nintendo holding Cygames stock (Dragalia Lost being made by them too), she feels like the "outta left field" character that sparked buzz like Cloud did, albeit not from a popularity standpoint.
Rex/Pyra/Mythra - Despite being "deconfirmed" by being given a Mii Fighter outfit, I still feel as though their chances stand to be fairly high. And I noted all three because my prediction is that all three are going to be playable characters. Much like the Pokémon Trainer is three characters in one. (I've played XC2, so I know how lore-wise the driver/blade system works.)

Honestly, if this were my wishlist, it'd have had Shadow, Sephiroth or Sora on it, but hey. It could happen. And if Smash 4's DLC taught us anything, it's that the grand majority of it (even the veterans) was fanservice that got people hyped and bought it all.

...

I mean, I guess this list would make a lot of fans happy, but there's too much of an emphasis on third-parties for my tastes.

For me, I'd really like to see at least two Nintendo characters get in. Three would be fantastic, but I won't get ahead of myself.

I personally think FE fans are the entitled ones. The series already has far more characters than it needs and they're still asking for more.

Don't see how that could possibly be considered controversial.

I don't think FE fans act entitled, but I do think we have an excessive number of reps.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Quoting this from the social, because Sakurai has some really good attention to detail. The resemblance for the most part is uncanny.

He also attacks Wolf, because that's the name of a VF character.

 

[Raxxel]

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In no particular order of reveal,

Geno - Mii Fighter outfit, insanely popular, speculated Square-Enix DLC incoming. Sakurai wanted him since Brawl. Super Mario RPG & Geno not forgotten. IMO highest possibility.
Lloyd Irving - Between him and Heihachi (who could be seen as a loving tribute using older voice clips from various Tekken games). Mii Fighter outfit, arguably the Cloud Strife of the Tales series in terms of popularity. Possible Yuri Lowell Mii Fighter outfit to go along with the Switch release of Tales of Vesperia?
Banjo & Kazooie - Arguably the biggest requested icons for ages, merchandise renewal, Microsoft's willing to play ball. Speculated Minecraft content (if not a character, Mii Fighter costume for the swordfighter) which lends itself to Microsoft involvement.
Katalina - Granblue Fantasy, while having a substantial following in Japan, hasn't made a huge gacha splash like Fire Emblem Heroes or Fate/Grand Order have in the Americas. That being said, asides from potential rumors and Nintendo holding Cygames stock (Dragalia Lost being made by them too), she feels like the "outta left field" character that sparked buzz like Cloud did, albeit not from a popularity standpoint.
Rex/Pyra/Mythra - Despite being "deconfirmed" by being given a Mii Fighter outfit, I still feel as though their chances stand to be fairly high. And I noted all three because my prediction is that all three are going to be playable characters. Much like the Pokémon Trainer is three characters in one. (I've played XC2, so I know how lore-wise the driver/blade system works.)

Honestly, if this were my wishlist, it'd have had Shadow, Sephiroth or Sora on it, but hey. It could happen. And if Smash 4's DLC taught us anything, it's that the grand majority of it (even the veterans) were fanservice that got people hyped and bought it all.

I'm sorry, I can't see a Rex costume that is meant to make you feel like you're playing Rex as a bonus to a pass that has Rex as a regular fighter. That just makes no sense.

 

[Idon]

I personally think FE fans are the entitled ones. The series already has far more characters than it needs and they're still asking for more.

Because quantity aint quality.
People want their favorite characters in, not just a character from the franchise.

 

[Pazzo.]

Reading all the buffs Olimar got like

 

[ZephyrZ]

I don't think it's healthy to think "X fanbase is entitled" in general. Mindsets like that are just one of the many reasons that Smash fans just can't get along.

People aren't "entitled" for wanting or asking for a character, they are entitled for demanding them, and those unreasonable people are usually vocal minorities that just make the rest of their fanbase look worse then they really are.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Believe me, I already know the DLC for this game will completely break this place apart. We got Ridley and K. Rool, and now fans are acting like they're entitled to every character being popular and highly requested.

There's already people complaining about Gen 8 possibly being part of the DLC. If people are complaining about a Pokemon, imagine how much worse it'll be with Steve and Katalina.

To be fair I can understand complaining about Katilina, but not because she took a spot, but because Nintendo is asking for $6 for what is basically an unkown Japan only character.

It would be like making Roy paid DLC back in Melee. Personally I think Katalina would be an awfulllll DLC choice and that's just because I don't think that's a character you sneak into a fighter pass and sell, regardless of Sakurai warning about it.

It's not entitlement to be unhappy that a character you wanted didn't get in but a character you didn't want did. People have a right to be upset. I'm going to be upset if Katalina gets in but Geno doesn't.

It starts being entitlement when you point fingers and say Katalina took Geno's spot or that Katalina replaced Geno. Or if you say Katalina didn't "deserve" her spot.

That second part where you defined what the entitled meant is exactly what I was reffering to. Sorry I wasn't clear.

I was very upset Mimikyu didn't get in. But I didn't start blaming Incineroar or his fans. I also didn't shut down other Pokemon fans when I was rooting for Mimikyu because my character was "more deserving". That **** is dumb.

I personally think FE fans are the entitled ones. The series already has far more characters than it needs and they're still asking for more.

That assumes that I want Marth, Roy, Ike, Lucina etc. I could want a character who isn't a freaking sword user for once.

People want characters not "more representation". Telling someone they should be happy because the series has enough characters doesn't really make sense if they don't like any of those characters...

 

[monadoboy]

Red Hot Opinion of The Hour
I'd rather have Nia than Rex.

The world isn't ready for that just yet

 

[KiBom]

Because quantity aint quality.
People want their favorite characters in, not just a character from the franchise.

That would be like if Pokemon fans expected to get their favourite Pokemon, though.

 

[Iridium]

Reading all the buffs Olimar got like

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Lucario, though. Definitely excited to play him. Greninja didn't get nerfed either, but buffed a ton, from what his Discord has stated.

 

[Plumstar]

i can assure you, the games are better than the anime... gets. past the 100 episode mark the anime starts getting real bad, and then the sequel series they're doing is very Mediocre. basically the same mean spirited jokes start repeating and it kind of loses its heart outside of a few bits.

generally the games have more focused plots and are better at keeping a tone that can border between comedy and drama. the first yokai watch movie is actually one of my favorite movies because of this, its basically just a straight adaptation of the second game with filler removed and condensed down to the more dramatic bits

yokai watch has some good designs, you can point to the "lol that one's ugly" designs but those are also half of the point, yokai in mythology are either mischievous or straight up evil so they aren't usually portrayed as being cute and marketable (tho obviously yokai watch has those too). there are even good creepy designs, like the actually terrifying tamamo no mae thats in the new movie

and also yeah they are still making Yokai watch movies because the series is still popular enough to warrant them

I mean, I didn't know much about the games and just assumed you can collect them and use them for battle, similar to Pokemon (but different gameplay mechanics), so it's good to know that there's more to it than that, apologies if I came off as someone who disregards the games entirely and didn't like it. I agree I do like the designs of those Yokais including their cute, creepy, ugly, and scary features/elements which I guess it's their use of comedy while players are focusing on the story (idk if each of them have weird purposes in the games though before you collect them). I only watched like a few episodes (mostly season 1) so I wouldn't know if it gets bad later on, it's been so long since I watched it too. I heard great things about the movies that they're better than the episodes since my little brother enjoyed the first movie, he used to love learning about them through the anime but I don't know if he does that now. So I'll take your word on it that the games are better than the anime, it does have some interesting elements and humour involved where Yokais can talk/have personality unlike Pokemon.

 

[Idon]

That would be like if Pokemon fans expected to get their favourite Pokemon, though.

It would be if either expected to get their favorite pokemon.
Neither Pokemon fans or FE fans expect anything, just want.

 

[Pazzo.]

Lucario, though. Definitely excited to play him. Greninja didn't get nerfed either, but buffed a ton, from what his Discord has stated.

All my most anticipated characters got buffs.

K. Rool got buffed so much Sakurai added him to the game.

 

[Deleted member]

So with the YouTube app finally on the Nintendo Switch, has anyone went to any Smash Ultimate gameplay videos and try to get a feel of how it might feel like playing, especially in portable mode?

I've tried the full CSS, 8-player CSS and 8-player mode, too. Honestly... It's pretty intimidating. Like, really intimidating.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

That would be like if Pokemon fans expected to get their favourite Pokemon, though.

Well I wouldn't say "expect" but there's nothing wrong with wanting your favorite Pokemon. It's up to you to be a realist about it.

 

[beans]

I don't think it's healthy to think "X fanbase is entitled" in general. Mindsets like that are just one of the many reasons that Smash fans just can't get along.

People aren't "entitled" for wanting or asking for a character, they are entitled for demanding them, and those unreasonable people are usually vocal minorities that just make the rest of their fanbase look worse then they really are.

But Zach, I need to show how big my high horse is, and how can I do that without pointing at people that arent happy with something?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

That would be like if Pokemon fans expected to get their favourite Pokemon, though.

Eeeeexactly. Both series are in a similar position, though it's worse with FE, since anyone beyond the Lords rarely gets in.

But hey, it's what TPC and IS want, why bother to complain.

 

[Pazzo.]

So with the YouTube app finally on the Nintendo Switch, has anyone went to any Smash Ultimate gameplay videos and try to get a feel of how it might feel like playing, especially in portable mode?

I've tried the full CSS, 8-player CSS and 8-player mode, too. Honestly... It's pretty intimidating. Like, really intimidating.

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Are you just like not a fan account? Are you really Scott?

I'm starting to get suspicious.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Do you think since Bandi Namco is actually helping develop Smash Bros. Ultimate that Nintendo would be a lot more willing to having more Namco characters on their DLC list?

Is it possible we will see these two clash in Smash for real this time?