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Smash Switch Most Wanted Newcomer Bracket Challenge (Third-Party)- Game Over; Results Posted

How Often Should Each Round Last?

  • 1 Day

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • 2 Days

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • 3 Days

    Votes: 11 30.6%
  • Whenever OP feels the votes slow down

    Votes: 9 25.0%
  • Don't care; how it is being handled is fine

    Votes: 10 27.8%
  • Other (explain in comments)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Could people not post running results in the middle of the round?

    Votes: 12 33.3%

  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .

Sean Wheeler

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I counted every vote so far because I was bored
Game 1: King K. Rool (23) vs Impa (5)
Game 2: Takamaru (17) vs Captain Toad (11)
Game 3: Decidueye (17) vs Chibi-Robo (11)
Game 4: Waluigi (15) vs Rex & Pyra (13)
Game 5: Ridley (17) vs Andy (11)
Game 6: Isaac (19) vs Spring Man (9)
Game 7: Bandana Dee (20) vs Geno (7) (1 indifferent) May actually be be 19 for Bandana Dee, 2 indifferent
Game 8: Dixie Kong (19) vs Ashley (9)
Nimbostratus Nimbostratus I don't know if this is 100% accurate since I might have messed up on a few things, but I'm sure it's at least fairly accurate.
Looks like my voted characters are the dominant ones as of now, though it's really close on some of them. Isaac vs Spring Man is much more one-sided than I thought it would be.
Sure am glad Bandana Dee is beating Geno. Geno shouldn't even be on this bracket of first-parties because he is owned by Square Enix. He wouldn't really belong in a third-party only bracket either because he started in a Mario game. He belongs in a mixed bracket that includes both first-parties and third-parties. And at least I wouldn't have much of a problem with the other guys winning. Though I kinda wish I was here for Round 1 so that I could have voted for Daisy.
 

Cycrum

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Game 1: 1. King K. Rool
Game 2: 2. Takamaru
Game 3: 1. Decidueye
Game 4: 2. Waluigi
Game 5: 4. Andy
Game 6: 2. Isaac
Game 7: 1. Bandana Dee
Game 8: 6. Ashley
 

Cosmic77

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Game 1: 1. King K. Rool vs 4. Impa
Game 2: 2. Takamaru vs 3. Captain Toad
Game 3: 1. Decidueye vs 4. Chibi-Robo
Game 4: 2. Waluigi vs 3. Rex & Pyra
Game 5: 1. Ridley vs 4. Andy
Game 6: 2. Isaac vs. 3. Spring Man
Game 7
: 1. Bandana Dee vs. 4. Geno
Game 8: 2. Dixie Kong vs. 6. Ashley

Y'know, I'm genuinely surprised Waluigi is struggling this much against Rex & Pyra.
 
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Geno Boost

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Game 1: King K. Rool
Game 2: Takamaru
Game 3: Chibi-Robo
Game 4: Waluigi
Game 5: Ridley (however I would like Andy as well)
Game 6: Isaac (ARMS is boring)
Game 7: Geno (he deserve a 2nd chance to live again)
Game 8: Dixie kong
 

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Sure am glad Bandana Dee is beating Geno. Geno shouldn't even be on this bracket of first-parties because he is owned by Square Enix. He wouldn't really belong in a third-party only bracket either because he started in a Mario game. He belongs in a mixed bracket that includes both first-parties and third-parties. And at least I wouldn't have much of a problem with the other guys winning. Though I kinda wish I was here for Round 1 so that I could have voted for Daisy.
Listen, it's the OP's bracket and they addressed Geno from the very beginning. Let it go
 

JamesDNaux

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Game 1: 1. King K. Rool
Game 2: 2. Takamaru
Game 3: 1. Decidueye
Game 4: 2. Waluigi
Game 5: 1. Ridley
Game 6: 2. Isaac
Game 7: 4. Geno
Game 8: 6. Ashley

I would've picked Dixie over Ashley, but well...
I don't want Geno by any stretch but he's the lesser of two evils.
Everyone else was cake.
 

DogManStar

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Game 1: 1. King K. Rool
Game 2: 2. Takamaru
Game 3: 4. Chibi-Robo - The series deserves some love.
Game 4: 3. Rex & Pyra
Game 5: 4. Andy - rip our last Advance Wars character. I'd love to see either Andy or Ridley, but giving a dead series some love takes priority for me.
Game 6: 2. Isaac - Smash's recency bias probably means Isaac's gonna lose this round, which is fine, but there's no way I'll stop supporting my boy. Golden Sun might be deader than a doornail with no chance of coming back ever, but Isaac in Smash is still my dream.
Game 7: 4. Geno
Game 8: 6. Ashley
 

Jakor

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Game 1: King K. Rool
Game 2: Captain Toad
Game 3: Chibi-Robo
Game 4: Waluigi
Game 5: Ridley
Game 6: Spring Man
Game 7: Bandana Dee
Game 8: Dixie Kong
 

MrReyes96

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Game 1: Impa
Game 2: captain toad
Game 3: chibi-robo
Game 4: Waluigi
Game 5: Ridley
Game 6: spring man
Game 7: bandana dee
Game 8: Dixie Kong
 

Runic_SSB

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Game 1: 4. Impa
Impa's actually relevant.
Game 2: 3. Captain Toad
Still mad at the Takamaru people.
Game 3: 4. Chibi-Robo
I feel really bad for Chibi-Robo, plus I don't have any strong feelings either way about Decidueye.
Game 4: 2. Waluigi
It's time.
Game 5: 4. Andy
I don't like either of these games and they both deserve to get in, but the tiebreaker is that Metroid already has a rep and AW doesn't.
Game 6: 2. Isaac
IMO he deserves it more.
Game 7: 1. Bandana Dee
I'm still completely floored by the support for Geno. Might as well have Stanley on here.
Game 8: 6. Ashley
I just like Ashley more.
 

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Spoiler: Spring Man vs Wonder Red 3. Spring Man defeated 11. Ray 01
Hmmm

Anyway, my votes

Game 1: 1. King K. Rool vs 4. Impa
I want Impa in the game ,but I think Sheik alt/clone would better suit her. K Rool is also cool

Game 2: 2. Takamaru vs 3. Captain Toad
Definitely the captain. Takamaru kinda bored me

Game 3
: 1. Decidueye vs 4. Chibi-Robo
Grass starter and an awesome one at that, sorry chino. But I really like Decidueye

Game 4: 2. Waluigi vs 3. Rex & Pyra
I loved Xenoblade 2, Waluigi would be nice but he's not a priority

Game 5
: 1. Ridley vs 4. Andy
RIDLEY! Easily

Game 6: 2. Isaac vs. 3. Spring Man
I like Spring Man

Game 7
: 1. Bandana Dee vs. 4. Geno
I hate Geno, I love Bandana Dee, I'd love to see him win this

Game 8: 2. Dixie Kong vs. 6. Ashley
This was actually a tough one, I think Dixie probably deserves it more but I like Ashley more
 
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TheFritzle

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Game 1: King K. Rool
Game 2: Takamaru
Game 3: Chibi-Robo
Game 4: Waluigi
Game 5: Ridley
Game 6: Isaac
Game 7: Bandana Dee
Game 8: Ashley
 

Pizza Robo

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Game 1 King K Rool
Game 2 Takamaru
Game 3 Decidueye
Game 4 Rex & Pyra
Game 5 Ridley
Game 6 Isaac
Game 7 Geno
Game 8 Ashley
 

PreedReve

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Game 1: King K. Rool
Game 2: Captain Toad
Game 3: Chibi-Robo
Game 4: Waluigi
Game 5: Andy
Game 6: Spring Man
Game 7: Bandana Dee
Game 8: Ashley
 

Bowserlick

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Game 1: King K. Rool
King K. Rool's only competition is going to be Ridley, I bet.

Game 2: (Captain) Toad
Toad is a Mario staple.

Game 3: Decidueye
Grass Starter for the win.

Game 4: Waluigi
Waluigi would be a blast to play as.

Game 5: Ridley
Ridley and King K. Rool are going to crash into each other.

Game 6: Spring Man
ARMS is Smash material.

Game 7: Geno
Mario RPG!

Game 8: Dixie Kong
Should have been in already.
 
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Game 1: Impa
Game 2: Captain Toad
Game 3: Chibi-Robo
Game 4: Rex & Pyra
Game 5: Ridley
Game 6: Spring Man
Game 7: Geno
Game 8: Dixie Kong[/SPOILER]
Hey a few games made me think this time. 4 and 7 made me take a few seconds. Game 1 was once again "2 characters I have o strong opinions on"

Losing more and more characters that I like. RIP Elma. Wonder Red, and Dillon.
:061:
 

Xhampi

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Game 1: King K. Rool
Smash can always use a few more villains and K Rool could use the appearance.

Game 2: Captain Toad
I find Takamaru kind of boring to be honnest.

Game 3: Chibi-Robo
I used to support the little guy back in the Brawl days.

Game 4: Rex & Pyra
Neutral on Rex and Pyra, but I'm just not a fan of Waluigi.

Game 5: Ridley
Sorry Andy, Ridley is just my most wanted character, still crossing my fingers for a new AW game tough.

Game 6: Isaac
Don't really care either way.

Game 7: Bandana Dee
Never understood the hype for Geno.

Game 8: Ashley
Dixie deserves it more, but Ashley just has that much more potential for her moveset, I just want to see what Sakurai could do with her.
 

Folezicle

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Game 1: Impa
Game 2: Takamaru
Game 3: Chibi-Robo
Game 4: Rex and Pyra
Game 5: Ridley
Game 6: Isaac
Game 7: Bandana Dee
Game 8: Dixie Kong
 

CrowGoesCaw

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Game 1: 1. King K. Rool (I'd love a new Zelda Rep, but as a Ridley supporter, I feel for K. Rool fans and want them to get their character.)

Game 2: 2. Captain Toad (Tough choice, but in my head Captain Toad's potential moveset is more interesting to me.)

Game 3: 1. Decidueye (After Fire Emblem has failed to give me an archer character, Decidueye is my hope for the playstyle now. I don't count Link or Pit as true archers, they just use a bow. Also I like Decidueye's look and some ghost moves would be cool.)

Game 4: 2. Rex & Pyra (Geez, this is a really hard one. I change my mind multiple times and almost abstained because I couldn't decide, but I went with Rex & Pyra because I'd like to see them just a tad more. If it was only Rex I would have gone Waluigi.)

Game 5
: 1. Ridley (Welp, this is probably not a surprise given my profile picture. Hopefully Andy gets a consolation price in a new game on switch.)

Game 6: 2. Isaac (I never played Golden Sun, but people have been clamouring for Isaac for multiple games, and an Arms rep is practically guaranteed to get in down the line anyway, so yeah.)

Game 7: 1. Bandana Dee (Fire Emblem has failed to give me a spear user (seriously, the game involves more than swords). Since the other obvious spear user, Krystal, probably isn't getting in, Bandana Dee is my hope for a spear user. Also Bandana Dee is adorable.)

Game 8: 2. Ashley (Another hard choice. I ended up going with Ashley because I want more spell casters. Sorry Dixie.)
 

Imadethistoseealeak

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Game 1: 1. King K. Rool
Game 2: 3. Captain Toad
Game 3: 4. Chibi-Robo
Game 4: 2. Waluigi
Game 5: 1. Ridley
Game 6: 3. Spring Man
Game 7: 1. Bandana Dee
Game 8: 2. Dixie Kong

Not any real tough calls here. I want both Chibi and Decidueye but I voted Chibi because I thought he could use the help lol.

Really hoping Spring Man beats Issac. No offense to his supporters but I think Arms is a much better series to be represented in Smash.
 

VexTheHex

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Really hoping Spring Man beats Issac. No offense to his supporters but I think Arms is a much better series to be represented in Smash.
Looking at the votes, it's very much in Isaac's favor. It's kind of to be expected though, the Smash community that devote their time to predictions and want based rosters and theorizing really hasn't changed at all. Isaac's last playable status was back in 2001. 17 years of the guy not being the star of a series that seemed to have died with Dark Dawn in 2010. The series also has about half the popularity in Japan compared to the United States. But still, the pre-Brawl hype bandwagon for the guy has remained just as it has for King K Rool and Ridley. I think people should be rooting for his series to be given a second chance and revived (hopefully one day) instead of wanting to jump to a playable character in Smash right away. And truth be told, if there was a new game in the works and there would be a Golden Son rep in Smash... it'd probably be the new character. They'd want to advertise the new game and new face. I use to throw some support to Isaac (even Matthew and Saki), but his fans keep setting themselves up to be disappointed at the current state of the Golden Sun series.

Edit- WAIT! WOW! It just sunk in. Isaac is older than some of the people on here supporting him?!? I don't think he counts as Retros yet, but that's something else for sure. It really shows what the Smash Speculation and Prediction Team can keep alive in it's little inner circle.

Spring Man meanwhile is too new to have any sort of strong Smash Forum community bandwagon that feel he has to be in Smash. Him being very new actually does hurt his Smash chance though, but the community seems hesitant to move forward from the pre-Brawl days. I don't play as much Nintendo as I use to, but I see a vivid and fun design in Spring Man. Just wish the guy got more support or else he'll end up as the next Isaac down the road.
 
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Organization XIII

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Looking at the votes, it's very much in Isaac's favor. It's kind of to be expected though, the Smash community that devote their time to predictions and want based rosters and theorizing really hasn't changed at all. Isaac's last playable status was back in 2001. 17 years of the guy not being the star of a series that seemed to have died with Dark Dawn in 2010. The series also has about half the popularity in Japan compared to the United States. But still, the pre-Brawl hype bandwagon for the guy has remained just as it has for King K Rool and Ridley. I think people should be rooting for his series to be given a second chance and revived (hopefully one day) instead of wanting to jump to a playable character in Smash right away. And truth be told, if there was a new game in the works and there would be a Golden Son rep in Smash... it'd probably be the new character. They'd want to advertise the new game and new face. I use to throw some support to Isaac (even Matthew and Saki), but his fans keep setting themselves up to be disappointed at the current state of the Golden Sun series.

Spring Man meanwhile is too new to have any sort of strong Smash Forum community bandwagon that feel he has to be in Smash. Him being very new actually does hurt his Smash chance though, but the community seems hesitant to move forward from the pre-Brawl days. I don't play as much Nintendo as I use to, but I see a vivid and fun design in Spring Man. Just wish the guy got more support or else he'll end up as the next Isaac down the road.
Actually his last playable status was 2002 and he's been a major player in every Golden Sun even is it was a more behind the scenes thing in Dark Dawn. Also Smash always puts the face of the series in first so even if Golden Sun 4 happened and was completely detached from the other 3 the character getting in would still be Isaac. And he's our favorite why wouldn't we want him in Smash? It doesn't have to be new game or in Smash we want both.
 

Sailor Waddle Dee

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These were pretty easy to guess results. and now things are gonna get interetsting.
alright, here goes.

Game 1 King K. Rool vs Impa
Impa

Argh, this was a tough one to start off with, I really like both of these characters, and both bring a lot of potential to samsh... I've played DKC longer than Zelda, and Impa's only recently really started to carve out a name for herself as a smash contender, while K. Rool, as the original main antagonist has that going for him and has been deserving of a spot for a long time. but I feel like Impa's playstyle would be something I'd enjoy more. especially if it draws from Hyrule Warriors. so she gets my vote (plus I know K. Rool will dominate so Impa deserves SOME recognition.

Game 2: Takamaru vs Captain Toad
Captain Toad

Again, another really tough choice, both are in my top 10 most wanted newcomers. and I really liked both of their games. I'm gonna go with Toad though even though Taka reps his own series. he'd still be another blue haired swordsman, while captain toad is much more distinct from those around him in smash (except for Peach's meat shield) so for the more distinct look, and the creativity that would be involved with making a moveset for him. he gets my vote. sorry Taka...

Game 3: Decidueye vs Chibi-Robo
Chibi-Robo

This was easier than the last 2, while I like Decidueye, he's not in my top 10, and Cheebo bring a lot more to the table than he does in terms of moveset potential, with his zip lash, and all the tools he has used throughout his earlier games. plus the little guy deserves some good fortune.

Game 4: Waluigi vs Rex & Pyra
Waluigi

Finally an easy choice, as I've said before, I have no attachment to Rex or the Xenoblade franchise, meanwhile Waluigi is one of my favorite mushroom kingdom residents, and dammit, i wanna swim in the sky!

Game 5: Ridley vs Andy
Andy

Oh jeez, this isn't gonna be pretty. Andy gets my vote just to soften the blow when he loses to Ridley. plus tanks are smaller than Space Pirate Dragons. ;P

Game 6: Isaac vs Springman
Isaac

While I don't have any attachment to Isaac having not played his games (yet) I feel he brings more potential for a moveset than Springman. sorry Springman, maybe next game.

Game 7: Bandana Dee vs Geno
Bandana Dee

Geno is cool and all. but I have yet to actually play his game. meanwhile I've played pretty much every game Bandana Dee has appeared in, and have campaigned for his inclusion since pre-smash 4. so this was an easy choice.

Game 8: Dixie Kong vs Ashely
Dixie Kong

not really much of a contest here. while I like both characters, i am FAR more attachet to Dixie and she deserves the spot way more.

Man, some of those early games were TORTURE, but it got easier as it went on. there's a lot of popular picks still left, so it'll be interesting to see where things go in the next round.
 
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VexTheHex

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Actually his last playable status was 2002 and he's been a major player in every Golden Sun even is it was a more behind the scenes thing in Dark Dawn. Also Smash always puts the face of the series in first so even if Golden Sun 4 happened and was completely detached from the other 3 the character getting in would still be Isaac. And he's our favorite why wouldn't we want him in Smash? It doesn't have to be new game or in Smash we want both.
Europe release was 2002, Japan and America was 2001. I only played the 3rd and that was 8 years ago. As far as I remember, he was like Professor Oak, pats you on the bottom as you leave to go on your life and death mission and pops up here and there for plot reasons. So ya, he existed but as said last playable was back in 2001/2002. That's older than part of his supporters. And if it wasn't for the hyped bandwagon still existing in the Western Inner Circle of Smash Speculation, these teenagers wouldn't even of known about him for the most part to be honest. That's not a bad thing, that's cool in it's own way. But it still also creates a situation where the bandwagon keep going past the character's status. Casuals won't know him. Japan doesn't seem to care that much for him in comparison to us. It's a situation of...

Accurate
Takamaru is mainly bandwagon popular because everybody pretty much thinks he's getting in. While you and I support Takamaru very seriously for most people it's a superficial support.
Except replace "bandwagon popular because everybody pretty much thinks he's getting in" with "bandwagon popular because everybody pretty much thinks he deserves it and move set potential."

Isaac is older than people posting he deserves it on here and people commenting they don't know him but support the move set potential. Isaac's support is mostly superficial.
 
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Except replace "bandwagon popular because everybody pretty much thinks he's getting in" with "bandwagon popular because everybody pretty much thinks he deserves it and move set potential."

Isaac is older than people posting he deserves it on here and people commenting they don't know him but support the move set potential. Isaac's support is mostly superficial.
Isaac's support is superficial because he's older than people voting for him? Takamaru's older than Isaac and from a Japan only game pre-2014...

...and both games got released on the Virtual console on the Wii U so it's not like people couldn't have played both games recently.

Yeah there's a chance people are voting Isaac because they saw his Assist Trophy and thought "that's kinda cool" but that would also apply to Takamaru...
 
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Al-kīmiyā'

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Spring Man is boring af. Put Min Min or Twintelle in the bracket, and it would be a harder choice for me.
 

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Except replace "bandwagon popular because everybody pretty much thinks he's getting in" with "bandwagon popular because everybody pretty much thinks he deserves it and move set potential."

Isaac is older than people posting he deserves it on here and people commenting they don't know him but support the move set potential. Isaac's support is mostly superficial.
I don’t really follow your logic. People saying he deserves to be in isn’t a bandwagon, those are... actual, justified and valid reasons for wanting a character in. If somebody didn’t know Isaac and read up on him, then went ‘hey, he’d be a cool character for Smash Bros.’ there’s hardly anything wrong with that.

Also, most characters in Smash are older than people supporting them, and most remaining iconic Nintendo characters and franchises are as well. That’s pretty much the whole point of time passing and young people discovering gaming. It’s a good thing.
 

Organization XIII

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Europe release was 2002, Japan and America was 2001. I only played the 3rd and that was 8 years ago. As far as I remember, he was like Professor Oak, pats you on the bottom as you leave to go on your life and death mission and pops up here and there for plot reasons. So ya, he existed but as said last playable was back in 2001/2002. That's older than part of his supporters. And if it wasn't for the hyped bandwagon still existing in the Western Inner Circle of Smash Speculation, these teenagers wouldn't even of known about him for the most part to be honest. That's not a bad thing, that's cool in it's own way. But it still also creates a situation where the bandwagon keep going past the character's status. Casuals won't know him. Japan doesn't seem to care that much for him in comparison to us. It's a situation of...



Except replace "bandwagon popular because everybody pretty much thinks he's getting in" with "bandwagon popular because everybody pretty much thinks he deserves it and move set potential."

Isaac is older than people posting he deserves it on here and people commenting they don't know him but support the move set potential. Isaac's support is mostly superficial.
Golden Sun: The Lost Age
Release


    • JP: June 28, 2002
    • NA: April 14, 2003
    • EU: September 19, 2003
His last playable appearance was 2002-2003 because that was the initial release of the Lost Age.I don't care superficial support I was talking about his true fans the ones who actually have played his games and do want him in. We want a new Golden Sun and him in Smash, not one or the other. Every popular character is going to bandwagon support why would that factor into us wanting to see a character we love get revived? I don't think we should say not to want K Rool in Smash because he's been dead for longer than Isaac. And still, Isaac is actually less niche than Shulk was when he got in so we don't care that he's relatively obscure, we want him to get the same treatment Shulk got, which is that sweet global recognition that comes with Smash.
 
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Isaac's support is superficial because he's older than people voting for him? Takamaru's older than Isaac and from a Japan only game pre-2014...

...and both games got released on the Virtual console on the Wii U so it's not like people couldn't have played both games recently.

Yeah there's a chance people are voting Isaac because they saw his Assist Trophy and thought "that's kinda cool" but that would also apply to Takamaru...
Takamaru can at least have his claim to Retro Rep, unlike Isaac. And yes, supporters of all characters on here can be superficial. Doesn't mean all supporters of said character are, but there is a line where people support characters just to support characters. Seeing people say they never played the games and are younger than the game itself saying the series deserves a playable rep is where things get more stretched. It's highly questionable what makes a character or series deserve it. Even more so when the person saying they barely know of the series. Move set potential is understandable to a degree, but everyone is conveniently forgetting Palutena. Her bandwagon thrived on how awesome her moves could be. She did not deliver. But that's a different story and isn't as relevant. Isaac could be unique or end up uninspired and bland like Ganondorf and Palutena.


I don’t really follow your logic. People saying he deserves to be in isn’t a bandwagon, those are... actual, justified and valid reasons for wanting a character in. If somebody didn’t know Isaac and read up on him, then went ‘hey, he’d be a cool character for Smash Bros.’ there’s hardly anything wrong with that.

Also, most characters in Smash are older than people supporting them, and most remaining iconic Nintendo characters and franchises are as well. That’s pretty much the whole point of time passing and young people discovering gaming. It’s a good thing.
I was touching on the other poster's logic of calling most of Takamaru's support being superficial. If it applies to Takamaru, then it'd also apply to Isaac, except Takamaru has the sacred retro label that gets a few characters in each smash. Heck, I even said in the one post that it's not a bad thing, that's it's cool in it's own regard.

But it does cause this weird disconnect where people who know nothing of a aging, dead series start hyping up a character while acting like a new star shouldn't dare beat the other. Looking at the page before, the original person responding to my post says he'd give up on it all on here if Spring Man dared to beat out Isaac. He obviously knows of the series, but it causes the mentality to spread to others that don't even know what an Isaac is.

Spring Man doesn't deserve added over Isaac becomes a thing. Even though it's simply silly.


Spring Man is boring af. Put Min Min or Twintelle in the bracket, and it would be a harder choice for me.
That falls back on the whole waifu culture. Spring Man's design is great, as is Twintelle's. But arguing he is awful compared to the others reeks of the "this girl character is pretty, obviously better than boy character cause I want to date the former." If they get a second rep, I'd like to see Twintelle.

Golden Sun: The Lost Age
Release


    • JP: June 28, 2002
    • NA: April 14, 2003
    • EU: September 19, 2003
His last playable appearance was 2002-2003 because that was the initial release of the Lost Age.I don't care superficial support I was talking about his true fans the ones who actually have played his games and do want him in. We want a new Golden Sun and him in Smash, not one or the other. Every popular character is going to bandwagon support why would that factor into us wanting to see a character we love get revived? I don't think we should say not to want K Rool in Smash because he's been dead for longer than Isaac. And still, Isaac is actually less niche than Shulk was when he got in so we don't care that he's relatively obscure, we want him to get the same treatment Shulk got, which is that sweet global recognition that comes with Smash.
Didn't know he was playable in that one as it focused on the other group.

I'm honestly proposing that most of Isaac's support is more in line with what you called out Takamaru's. It doesn't diminish the supporters of that character or the character them self. But it does inflate their popularity with people who truly know nothing on the character and just repeat what others say.

Isaac deserving to be in Smash is an example. Why? His series is dead, his third game struggled. His series was half as popular in Japan than it ever was in America. Europe wasn't too big on it either.

Wanting him is fine, but it doesn't make sense that he deserves it more than other characters while they admit they barely know of Isaac and likely don't know the above in the slightest.

And to be fair, you were the one being dramatic at the LOW possibility of Spring Man beating Isaac. Anyone who has been around for Smash speculations knows the fan base tends to bandwagon the same characters. So while you're arguing with me for defending Spring Man and pointing out Isaac's flaws, you were the one initially acting like Spring Man shouldn't dare beat Isaac.
 
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Takamaru can at least have his claim to Retro Rep, unlike Isaac.
But is this exact line here not also a pretty superficial reason? "We gotta have a retro rep" seems to be everyone's reason for wanting Takamaru rather than "I really enjoyed Murasame Castle", and he usually is first choice because he fits some imagined "completing the quad of Famicom games" quota now we have Link, Samus AND Pit.

It's like half the support for Decidueye I see is not because they like the actual character but because "There must be a Pokemon newcomer from the latest gen" and he fits in the imagined need for all three starter types to be fulfilled. It's a shame,

This really will come off as sour grapes due to the current match up, but it really did amuse me when Duck Hunt got in and people were upset after months of complaining about "too many swordsmen" that we didn't get yet another swordsman. With blue hair no less!
 

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r or the character them self. But it does inflate their popularity with people who truly know nothing on the character and just repeat what others say.

Isaac deserving to be in Smash is an example. Why? His series is dead, his third game struggled. His series was half as popular in Japan than it ever was in America. Europe wasn't too big on it either.

Wanting him is fine, but it doesn't make sense that he deserves it more than other characters while they admit they barely know of Isaac and likely don't know the above in the slightest.

And to be fair, you were the one being dramatic at the LOW possibility of Spring Man beating Isaac. Anyone who has been around for Smash speculations knows the fan base tends to bandwagon the same characters. So while you're arguing with me for defending Spring Man and pointing out Isaac's flaws, you were the one initially acting like Spring Man shouldn't dare beat Isaac.
Well, mate, I think it comes down to us arguing two different things. I honestly don't care if Isaac deserves to be in Smash, I just want him because I love Golden Sun and Isaac. Other people may want him for being more deserving but that's wholly going to come down to what people deem deserving. My problem with your initial statement was saying that people shouldn't focus on getting Isaac in Smash when his series doesn't seem to have a future. And I heavily disagree with that. Him being in Smash is a part of him having a future and I want to be able to play as my favorite characters in Smash, so rather than choose I think it's more appropriate to campaign for both. Again, it's the exact same for K Rool. People don't just want him in DKC or in Smash they want both because they love the character.
Also, the Isaac winning over Springman thing was a joke. I'm a big fan satirizing things like fanboyism by going to the logical extremes but I guess I didn't take the joke far enough and it came across as realistic. I dunno but yes while I would like Isaac to win this thread is just for fun so even if Springman does win I'm not going be upset about it, that would silly.
 
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Updated the vote count
Game 1: King K. Rool (41) vs Impa (10)
Game 2: Takamaru (26) vs Captain Toad (25)
Game 3: Decidueye (28) vs Chibi-Robo (23)
Game 4: Waluigi (29) vs Rex & Pyra (22)
Game 5: Ridley (35) vs Andy (16)
Game 6: Isaac (34) vs Spring Man (17)
Game 7: Bandana Dee (37) vs Geno (13) (1 indifferent)
Game 8: Dixie Kong (31) vs Ashley (20)
K. Rool is as dominant as one would expect
Takamaru barely beats Captain Toad
Decidueye has a small lead over Chibi
Same for Waluigi but it's a bit bigger for him
Ridley has risen back to dominance
Recency bias is not enough to stop Isaac from dominating Spring Man (though he puts up a good fight)
Bandana Dee is as dominant as one would expect
And despite Dixie being as dominant as one would expect, Ashley is actually putting up an unexpectedly good fight

This should be interesting
 
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Game 1: 1. King K. Rool - For the sake of new villains I flip flopped on Impa.
Game 2: 2. Takamaru - Toad (captain or otherwise) is heavily deserving of representation, but Takamaru just seems more interesting to play as
Game 3: 4. Chibi-Robo - Decidueye is cool, and I want a grass starter, but I'm kinda sick of the only pokemon getting in being humanoids, and the general trend of anthropomorphised pokemon in general
Game 4: 2. Waluigi - The WAAA beats Boobs McGee
Game 5: 4. Andy - RIP my boy, you do well but you're up against a juggernaut now
Game 6: 2. Isaac - In a matchup that I'm fairly meh about I picked the more interesting moveset potential
Game 7: 1. Bandana Dee - The cute spear user gets in over the character that I just never understood the ridiculous popularity of
Game 8: 6. Ashley - was close but then I realised that I've been voting Dixie almost out of inevitability rather than want
 

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Updated the vote count
Game 1: King K. Rool (41) vs Impa (10)
Game 2: Takamaru (26) vs Captain Toad (25)
Game 3: Decidueye (28) vs Chibi-Robo (23)
Game 4: Waluigi (29) vs Rex & Pyra (22)
Game 5: Ridley (35) vs Andy (16)
Game 6: Isaac (34) vs Spring Man (17)
Game 7: Bandana Dee (37) vs Geno (13) (1 indifferent)
Game 8: Dixie Kong (31) vs Ashley (20)
K. Rool is as dominant as one would expect
Takamaru barely beats Captain Toad
Decidueye has a small lead over Chibi
Same for Waluigi but it's a bit bigger for him
Ridley has risen back to dominance
Recency bias is not enough to stop Isaac from dominating Spring Man (though he puts up a good fight)
Bandana Dee is as dominant as one would expect
And despite Dixie being as dominant as one would expect, Ashley is actually putting up an unexpectedly good fight

This should be interesting
Spoilers geez
 

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But is this exact line here not also a pretty superficial reason? "We gotta have a retro rep" seems to be everyone's reason for wanting Takamaru rather than "I really enjoyed Murasame Castle", and he usually is first choice because he fits some imagined "completing the quad of Famicom games" quota now we have Link, Samus AND Pit.

It's like half the support for Decidueye I see is not because they like the actual character but because "There must be a Pokemon newcomer from the latest gen" and he fits in the imagined need for all three starter types to be fulfilled. It's a shame,

This really will come off as sour grapes due to the current match up, but it really did amuse me when Duck Hunt got in and people were upset after months of complaining about "too many swordsmen" that we didn't get yet another swordsman. With blue hair no less!
Yep, basically. Being around snooping pre-Brawl to now around multiple forums, it's usually the same band wagon types. Takamaru is the retro pick. Decidueye is the Pokemon. Ridley isn't too big and awkward. King K Rool deserves his comeback. Isaac deserves it. Waluigi would be fun. Krystal should be in, for reasons... like ugh... move set!

Basically I was alerted by the weird claims that Isaac deserved representation by people who likely would never of known what an Isaac is without the regular bandwagons still existing. Arms is a successful new series, in terms of literal business sense... it is the deserving franchise currently as marketing it in Smash would further increase it's popularity compared to a currently dead series.

Heck if they revive the series and bring in a rep, that'd be cool I'd take that over another FE lord easily. But that doesn't diminish that Arms is currently active, so the deserving more aspect throws me off. In a perfect world, both get in.



Well, mate, I think it comes down to us arguing two different things. I honestly don't care if Isaac deserves to be in Smash, I just want him because I love Golden Sun and Isaac. Other people may want him for being more deserving but that's wholly going to come down to what people deem deserving. My problem with your initial statement was saying that people shouldn't focus on getting Isaac in Smash when his series doesn't seem to have a future. And I heavily disagree with that. Him being in Smash is a part of him having a future and I want to be able to play as my favorite characters in Smash, so rather than choose I think it's more appropriate to campaign for both. Again, it's the exact same for K Rool. People don't just want him in DKC or in Smash they want both because they love the character.
Also, the Isaac winning over Springman thing was a joke. I'm a big fan satirizing things like fanboyism by going to the logical extremes but I guess I didn't take the joke far enough and it came across as realistic. I dunno but yes while I would like Isaac to win this thread is just for fun so even if Springman does win I'm not going be upset about it, that would silly.
I will gladly support you and your wishes of him in the game. By no means do I want to indicate you shouldn't like the guy. I was just not big on the tearing down on Spring Man on the former page and then reading people stating they know little/nothing on Isaac but think he deserves it more. It's one thing to prefer one over the other, but it's another to state a bold claim on deserving over another unless it's like Mario deserves in Smash more than Dark Pit.

I understand your stance going into him getting into Smash like King K Rool and respect it. I think it's equally as important for Arms to try to get it's foot in the door to further it's development and future. It did well, but it could do better if it wants to stick around. And from a pure design stand point, I personally love the character's designs. Overall, both series (Golden Sun and Arms) could benefit greatly from it. It would be more beneficial for the community to support each other's characters, though this thread is pretty contrary to that in nature. But yes, power to you and your passion for Isaac. Hopefully both guys can step into the ring as they both face a few challenges to get into Smash.
 
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Sure am glad Bandana Dee is beating Geno. Geno shouldn't even be on this bracket of first-parties because he is owned by Square Enix. He wouldn't really belong in a third-party only bracket either because he started in a Mario game. He belongs in a mixed bracket that includes both first-parties and third-parties. And at least I wouldn't have much of a problem with the other guys winning. Though I kinda wish I was here for Round 1 so that I could have voted for Daisy.
I don't see why it's that big of a deal. I'm happy Bandana Dee is winning because I like him.

Spoilers geez
Sorry, just added a spoiler tag.

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Also, because I don't want to lose track of the votes I'm gonna post the updated results right now and will only start counting more votes once we get to the next page:
Game 1: King K. Rool (42) vs Impa (10)
Game 2: Takamaru (27) vs Captain Toad (25)
Game 3: Decidueye (28) vs Chibi-Robo (24)
Game 4: Waluigi (30) vs Rex & Pyra (22)
Game 5: Ridley (35) vs Andy (17)
Game 6: Isaac (35) vs Spring Man (17)
Game 7: Bandana Dee (38) vs Geno (13) (1 indifferent)
Game 8: Dixie Kong (31) vs Ashley (21)
 
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