Isaac's support is superficial because he's older than people voting for him? Takamaru's older than Isaac and from a Japan only game pre-2014...
...and both games got released on the Virtual console on the Wii U so it's not like people couldn't have played both games recently.
Yeah there's a chance people are voting Isaac because they saw his Assist Trophy and thought "that's kinda cool" but that would also apply to Takamaru...
Takamaru can at least have his claim to Retro Rep, unlike Isaac. And yes, supporters of all characters on here can be superficial. Doesn't mean all supporters of said character are, but there is a line where people support characters just to support characters. Seeing people say they never played the games and are younger than the game itself saying the series
deserves a playable rep is where things get more stretched. It's highly questionable what makes a character or series deserve it. Even more so when the person saying they barely know of the series. Move set potential is understandable to a degree, but everyone is conveniently forgetting Palutena. Her bandwagon thrived on how awesome her moves could be. She did not deliver. But that's a different story and isn't as relevant. Isaac could be unique or end up uninspired and bland like Ganondorf and Palutena.
I don’t really follow your logic. People saying he deserves to be in isn’t a bandwagon, those are... actual, justified and valid reasons for wanting a character in. If somebody didn’t know Isaac and read up on him, then went ‘hey, he’d be a cool character for Smash Bros.’ there’s hardly anything wrong with that.
Also, most characters in Smash are older than people supporting them, and most remaining iconic Nintendo characters and franchises are as well. That’s pretty much the whole point of time passing and young people discovering gaming. It’s a good thing.
I was touching on the other poster's logic of calling most of Takamaru's support being superficial. If it applies to Takamaru, then it'd also apply to Isaac, except Takamaru has the sacred retro label that gets a few characters in each smash. Heck, I even said in the one post that it's not a bad thing, that's it's cool in it's own regard.
But it does cause this weird disconnect where people who know nothing of a aging, dead series start hyping up a character while acting like a new star shouldn't dare beat the other. Looking at the page before, the original person responding to my post says he'd give up on it all on here if Spring Man dared to beat out Isaac. He obviously knows of the series, but it causes the mentality to spread to others that don't even know what an Isaac is.
Spring Man doesn't deserve added over Isaac becomes a thing. Even though it's simply silly.
Spring Man is boring af. Put Min Min or Twintelle in the bracket, and it would be a harder choice for me.
That falls back on the whole waifu culture. Spring Man's design is great, as is Twintelle's. But arguing he is awful compared to the others reeks of the "this girl character is pretty, obviously better than boy character cause I want to date the former." If they get a second rep, I'd like to see Twintelle.
Golden Sun: The Lost Age
Release
His last playable appearance was 2002-2003 because that was the initial release of the Lost Age.I don't care superficial support I was talking about his true fans the ones who actually have played his games and do want him in. We want a new Golden Sun and him in Smash, not one or the other. Every popular character is going to bandwagon support why would that factor into us wanting to see a character we love get revived? I don't think we should say not to want K Rool in Smash because he's been dead for longer than Isaac. And still, Isaac is actually less niche than Shulk was when he got in so we don't care that he's relatively obscure, we want him to get the same treatment Shulk got, which is that sweet global recognition that comes with Smash.
Didn't know he was playable in that one as it focused on the other group.
I'm honestly proposing that most of Isaac's support is more in line with what you called out Takamaru's. It doesn't diminish the supporters of that character or the character them self. But it does inflate their popularity with people who truly know nothing on the character and just repeat what others say.
Isaac
deserving to be in Smash is an example. Why? His series is dead, his third game struggled. His series was half as popular in Japan than it ever was in America. Europe wasn't too big on it either.
Wanting him is fine, but it doesn't make sense that he deserves it more than other characters while they admit they barely know of Isaac and likely don't know the above in the slightest.
And to be fair, you were the one being dramatic at the LOW possibility of Spring Man beating Isaac. Anyone who has been around for Smash speculations knows the fan base tends to bandwagon the same characters. So while you're arguing with me for defending Spring Man and pointing out Isaac's flaws, you were the one initially acting like Spring Man shouldn't dare beat Isaac.
Nimbostratus I don't know if this is 100% accurate since I might have messed up on a few things, but I'm sure it's at least fairly accurate.
