Official Smash for Switch 2 - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[CosmicEternity44]

Smash probably would have an excuse for that due to all the licensing issues. Probably.

But being someone who wants an S2E for the sake of saying "Every Dollar Is Here!" in regards to his wallet I really hope you wouldn't have to rebuy the Fighters Passes.

Yeah, it is probably going to be hard to get all the characters back for a S2E.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Yeah, it is probably going to be hard to get all the characters back for a S2E.

Especially spirits because of both events and the fact that the base game had spirits for 3rd party characters that aren’t represented elsewhere like Rayman.

 

[Gengar84]

The Three Party thing might throw me off since all RPG games are used to four. Though, see another one of Akira Toriyama's work being remastered will be interesting. Maybe it might be the 2.5 remake like the first three Dragon Quest games or full 3D.

I agree with Darth that the optimal graphical style for the game would be similar to Dragon Ball FighterZ. That’s probably overly ambitious so I’m not going to get my hopes up too high. I’ll happily take what I can get. A 2DHD game would be cool too. I’m a big fan of Octopath Traveller and Triangle Strategy.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Smash probably would have an excuse for that due to all the licensing issues. Probably.

But being someone who wants an S2E for the sake of saying "Every Dollar Is Here!" in regards to his wallet I really hope you wouldn't have to rebuy the Fighters Passes.

I already went over how S2Es work.

You would only need to buy the DLC if you never had before.

The fact that there have been multiple reminders in this thread shows Nintendo has been atrocious at communicating this information.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

That said, regarding SMP Jamboree's new minigames, I'm sure individually new Mario Party minigames aren't that hard to make, but the # of exclusive minigames for the Switch 2 being in the double digits is definitely going to take a good chunk of devtime away from an all-new Mario Party. They don't seem like they're just a bunch of asset flips either.

I mean I feel like that depends on if they're even working on the next Mario Party already considering Jamboree came out like 7 months ago.

Could be, no telling, but like Jamboree is still pretty new.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I mean I feel like that depends on if they're even working on the next Mario Party already considering Jamboree came out like 7 months ago.

Could be, no telling, but like Jamboree is still pretty new.

It's also possible this stuff was worked on alongside the main game but couldn't work on the Switch 1 version for obvious reasons.

 

[Guynamednelson]

The fact that there have been multiple reminders in this thread shows Nintendo has been atrocious at communicating this information.

Yes, yes they have.

It isn't helping that negative news about the Switch 2 regardless of how true it is is so widespread that people would believe an article that says Shigeru Miyamoto will come to your house and kill you if the Switch 2 microphone picks up the word "dolphin".

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

It's also possible this stuff was worked on alongside the main game but couldn't work on the Switch 1 version for obvious reasons.

Especially with how soon it's coming out after the original game.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yes, yes they have.

It isn't helping that negative news about the Switch 2 regardless of how true it is is so widespread that people would believe an article that says Shigeru Miyamoto will come to your house and kill you if the Switch 2 microphone picks up the word "dolphin".

"Man, I love racing on Dolphin Shoals in Mario Kart 8."

FBI! Open up!

 

[DarthEnderX]

I miss trophies so bad.

I don't. They were a lot of wasted art dev.

But I do miss the text descriptions.

Apparently it would be more then 200 dollars total if the first two passes + Plant were still DLC.

Yes. And? SF5 cost that much if you bought all the season passes when they were new. And SF5 ain't no Smash Ultimate.

If Darth gets his way that S2E Edition will quickly shoot up to over twice the cost of a fully-priced Switch 2 game.

And? Ultimate + DLC was twice the cost of a fully priced Switch 1 game. That's how DLC works.

Have you guys not paid for a video game in the last decade?

But being someone who wants an S2E for the sake of saying "Every Dollar Is Here!" in regards to his wallet I really hope you wouldn't have to rebuy the Fighters Passes.

You wouldn't have to rebuy the ones you already owned. We know that from BotW S2E.

 

[Louie G.]

If a “Switch 2 Edition” of Ultimate would not have all the DLC included, it would literally have no reason to exist.

I thought the argument was always in favor of a “complete” version - something that I think is pretty much impossible, but at least made sense to discuss. If they rerelease this game and expect people to pay for ****ing Byleth and Min-Min then what’s the point, lol.

 

[cashregister9]

If a “Switch 2 Edition” of Ultimate would not have all the DLC included, it would literally have no reason to exist.

I thought the argument was always in favor of a “complete” version - something that I think is pretty much impossible, but at least made sense to discuss. If they rerelease this game and expect people to pay for ****ing Byleth and Min-Min then what’s the point, lol.

Because they rereleased BOTW for 70$ without the DLC included, there is already that unfortunate precedent.

 

[DarthEnderX]

If a “Switch 2 Edition” of Ultimate would not have all the DLC included, it would literally have no reason to exist.

It's reason to exist is whatever it adds. The vast majority of people buying the S2E probably already own the DLC anyway.

Just like a lot of people buying BotW S2E already own BotW's DLC.


SHOULD there be a discounted bundle? Absolutely. Sadly, Nintendo doesn't understand discounts.

If they rerelease this game and expect people to pay for ****ing Byleth and Min-Min then what’s the point, lol.

For the 35 million people that already own Ultimate, Byleth and Min-Min to spend another $20 for some more upgrades.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I miss trophies so bad.

mainly just because the occasional instance of giving some characters models that they wouldn't have otherwise.

Which is a waste of dev time so i get why they stopped it.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If a “Switch 2 Edition” of Ultimate would not have all the DLC included, it would literally have no reason to exist.

I thought the argument was always in favor of a “complete” version - something that I think is pretty much impossible, but at least made sense to discuss. If they rerelease this game and expect people to pay for ****ing Byleth and Min-Min then what’s the point, lol.

The Nintendo Switch 2 Editions haven't come with pre-existing DLC, but all have other features. How much a Nintendo Switch 2 Edition of Smash would have I dunno. Perhaps just a handful of fighters Echo or otherwise, or maybe a World of Light expansion or something.

It just wouldn't come with Steve or Piranha Plant.

Nintendo doesn't understand discounts.

"If want more money, why lower price?"

-Nintendo, probably.

 

[CosmicEternity44]

May I add that Everyone is Here almost did not happen in the original Ultimate, so with the DLC not included in the base game, who knows how hard it will be to bring all characters back?

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

If a “Switch 2 Edition” of Ultimate would not have all the DLC included, it would literally have no reason to exist.

I thought the argument was always in favor of a “complete” version - something that I think is pretty much impossible, but at least made sense to discuss. If they rerelease this game and expect people to pay for ****ing Byleth and Min-Min then what’s the point, lol.

A Switch 2 Edition would have to include new content that accounts for new features of the system itself, not just "additional characters" or "include already released DLC".

I know you laugh at the notion of buying Byleth and Min Min, but think of the big picture.
Why at all would Nintendo think it's a good idea to include over $60 worth of DLC content (assuming we're only speaking of what comes in each Challenger Pack plus Plant and forgoing the Mii Costumes) for only $20 to "upgrade" the game?

 

[Thegameandwatch]

May I add that Everyone is Here almost did not happen in the original Ultimate, so with the DLC not included in the base game, who knows how hard it will be to bring all characters back?

Has that ever been officially mentioned or it’s just rumours?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

On top of all of that there is no way Disney is ever going to allow Sora to be a "base" game character in any Smash game, they would want a cut of that cash.

Has that ever been officially mentioned or it’s just rumours?

They almost didn't get Cloud back.

 

[CosmicEternity44]

Has that ever been officially mentioned or it’s just rumours?

I dunno, but I can’t imagine it was easy to do. I do think Sakurai said something about that, but I am not sure.

 

[Louie G.]

I know you laugh at the notion of buying Byleth and Min Min, but think of the big picture.
Why at all would Nintendo think it's a good idea to include over $60 worth of DLC content (assuming we're only speaking of what comes in each Challenger Pack plus Plant and forgoing the Mii Costumes) for only $20 to "upgrade" the game?

Oh absolutely, it’s sound logic. I’m just amused at how the goalpost has moved - first we used to talk about Ultimate “Deluxe” with a full roster in tact, now we’re realistically talking about base Ultimate with like, a World of Light expansion. We gotta give it up.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

They almost didn't get Cloud back.

I always I heard it but never found a source that actually mentions it.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Oh absolutely, it’s sound logic. I’m just amused at how the goalpost has moved - first we used to talk about Ultimate “Deluxe” with a full roster in tact, now we’re realistically talking about base Ultimate with like, a World of Light expansion. We gotta give it up.

But you don't understand.

Ultimate Never Ends
Everyone is Here.....Forever.

 

[DarthEnderX]

A Switch 2 Edition would have to include new content that accounts for new features of the system itself, not just "additional characters" or "include already released DLC".

They're totally gonna have a "show your face instead of your character's at the bottom of the screen" feature, aren't they?

first we used to talk about Ultimate “Deluxe” with a full roster in tact, now we’re realistically talking about base Ultimate with like, a World of Light expansion.

Because that's the precedent Nintendo set for S2Es. We're going by what they've shown us.

Everyone is Here.....Forever.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

They're totally gonna have a "show your face instead of your character's at the bottom of the screen" feature, aren't they?

Surprised that's not a thing already

 

[DarthEnderX]

Surprised that's not a thing already

How could it be? Switch 1 doesn't have that functionality.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

How could it be? Switch 1 doesn't have that functionality.

could have been in smash 4, those have cameras lol

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

They're totally gonna have a "show your face instead of your character's at the bottom of the screen" feature, aren't they?

Don't forget. The Nintendo Switch 2 Webcam has...A MIKE!!!

could have been in smash 4, those have cameras lol

Watching your opponent's chin because ain't nobody pointing their gamepad directly at their face while playing would be kinda funny.

I know you're probably talking about the 3Ds version but it's still funny.

 

[cashregister9]

Don't forget. The Nintendo Switch 2 Webcam has...A MIKE!!!

I guess we know who the first newcomer is....

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Crackpot Smash Ideas: If you shout Pikachu's attack names at your webcam, Pikachu has a 25% chance to understand you, and perform the move, allowing you to sabotage Pikachu players.

 

[Lionfranky]

On the subject of ballots, who are everyone’s top three most wanted Smash characters? Even if they’re unlikely, what’s the best argument you can come up with to support each of their inclusion?

Master Chief:

Still my most wanted. While there is lots of competition within Microsoft pool, he still has strong case despite flimsy connection to Nintendo. And that will likely get shattered once the rumored Halo Switch port comes true. Halo redefined FPS genre and still has strong legacy. Brand may have setback, but I believe it's still far from doom and gloom, especially with another mainline game in line.

Agumon:

I grew up with Digimon. Official Pokemon vs Digimon matchup would be dream come true. The franchise still remains relevant and healthy with everything considered. Digivolution mechanic would be unique which Sakurai would prefer, assuming he works on Smash again. Bandai Namco still has more attractive series, but I think Digimon still has strong case here.

Lara Croft:

One of most famous female video game characters. While her owner, Embracer Group would be a big obstacle, Tomb Raider as a series still remains relevant with something like Netflix show and next game.

 

[RodNutTakin]

They almost didn't get Cloud back.

This honestly doesn't really paint the full picture about who's coming back right away or not to me, because it makes it sound like all 62 of the other fighters could come back no problem for the Switch Smash project and Cloud was literally the only problematic inclusion.
The optimist in me thinks that this basically means that the grand majority of fighters are simple to put back in and that only a few will be held back for licensing money purposes, but I have a feeling there's someone here will say "actually development is super-hell and we can only expect 30 characters to return next game assuming nintendo doesn't go bankrupt trying to make the game" anyways or something

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

On top of all of that there is no way Disney is ever going to allow Sora to be a "base" game character in any Smash game, they would want a cut of that cash.

I kind of agree with it simply because DLC money is better but at the same time, on this day 4 years ago and before, we branded Sora as an impossible character because of Disney, only to find out Disney was actually super eager to see Sora in Smash several months later.

It honestly could go either way because we had them completely wrong once, we can be wrong again

 

[Gengar84]

Do you think there’s a chance that we keep Sora base game and get a second Kingdom Hearts character like Ansem as DLC? That mirrors the way they did it with Cloud and Sephiroth and it feels like the best of both worlds.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Do you think there’s a chance that we keep Sora base game and a second Kingdom Hearts character like Ansem as DLC? That mirrors the way they did it with Cloud and Sephiroth and it feels like the best of both worlds.

The second character is probably more likely to be someone like Riku, Roxas or another one of the major protagonists but otherwise? I can see it.

 

[Gengar84]

The second character is probably more likely to be someone like Riku, Roxas or another one of the major protagonists but otherwise? I can see it.

That’s possible too. I do think Smash still has a villain shortage despite making improvements in that area so I’ll usually prefer the main villain as the second rep. Plus villains just tend to be cooler and have more exciting moveset potential. So playing in Smash would be like recreating their final boss fight from their game. Both Ansem (KH1) and Xemnas (KH2) have awesome designs and movesets that would be really fun and unique in Smash.

 

[Perkilator]

Do you think there’s a chance that we keep Sora base game and get a second Kingdom Hearts character like Ansem as DLC? That mirrors the way they did it with Cloud and Sephiroth and it feels like the best of both worlds.

My ideal scenario is Sora returning in the base game with all the content he had in his Challenger Pack, and Roxas coming as a unique DLC fighter that brings in songs from outside KH1.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That’s possible too. I do think Smash still has a villain shortage despite making improvements in that area so I’ll usually prefer the main villain as the second rep. Plus villains just tend to be cooler and have more exciting moveset potential. So playing in Smash would be like recreating their final boss fight from their game.

Yeah but I also don't want villains to be added just for the sake of checking an "add more villains" box, if that make sense.

Like, for example, would a playable Dracula be dope? Probably, but a part of me also feels like they nailed him so well as a boss that losing that would suck, especially when we could've had Alucard as a playable instead who isn't a villain but come on, it's Alucard.

They can definitely add cool villains without making it feel forced. I'd be down for Dr. Eggman and my literal most wanted is Nightmare so I'm definitely down for more villains. I just don't want it to feel forced.

 

[Gengar84]

I wonder if I’m alone in my preference for adding more villains to Smash. For me, they just tend to have a cool factor that a lot of protagonists lack. I also really like the thought of being able to create canonical epic fights of heroes vs villains. Secondary protagonists can be really fun too but they tend not to have that same appeal. There are definitely plenty of secondary protagonists I’d be really happy to see and some of them can be even cooler than the villain so it’s more a case by case basis for me but I tend to prefer the villain as a general rule.

Yeah but I also don't want villains to be added just for the sake of checking an "add more villains" box, if that make sense.

Like, for example, would a playable Dracula be dope? Probably, but a part of me also feels like they nailed him so well as a boss that losing that would suck, especially when we could've had Alucard as a playable instead who isn't a villain but come on, it's Alucard.

They can definitely add cool villains without making it feel forced. I'd be down for Dr. Eggman and my literal most wanted is Nightmare so I'm definitely down for more villains. I just don't want it to feel forced.

That’s an understandable take. For me, they usually wouldn’t feel forced because they’re almost always a major player in the narrative of the story and often have a ton of moveset potential to pull from with their boss fights. Like, it would feel weird to me if Smash had Mario and Peach but no Bowser or Link and Zelda but no Ganondorf. Having the iconic villain playable in Smash just adds a lot for me, especially when I love their designs like Ansem and Xemnas.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I wonder if I’m alone in my preference for adding more villains to Smash. For me, they just tend to have a cool factor that a lot of protagonists lack. I also really like the thought of being able to create canonical epic fights of heroes vs villains. Secondary protagonists can be really fun too but they tend not to have that same appeal. There are definitely plenty of secondary protagonists I’d be really happy to see and some of them can be even cooler than the villain so it’s more a case by case basis for me but I tend to prefer the villain as a general rule.

Literally edited my post to clarify I'm down for villains.

But like, if it starts to feel like the roster is more focused on adding villains than it is adding new series, that's when it kinda feels wrong to me.