Official Smash for Switch 2 - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Ivander]

A color editor would be nice. The issue is that every single character would need to get approval for it.

I could see a lot of third-party cuts solely because companies are not down to see this level of customization on their characters.

Most of these could potentially be down for it, but then we have Square Enix with their 50/50 track record on it when it comes to Tekken, Sega and Namco being unlikely to agree if we got through multiple games of them sticking to blue and yellow respectively and so on...

And if it's not possible to have every character use this color edit due to companies saying no, then Sakurai might just scrap the whole feature because I don't see him as the guy meeting half-way and only having most fighters access this feature.

Yeah, it sucks cause a color editor would go fantastic with full out alternate costumes like Mario's Builder and Wedding outfits and we'd be able to give Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings different colors for the first time. But alot of it hinges on just how willing the 3rd Party owners are with it.
And Sonic and Pac-Man right now are two of the biggest offenders, since at the moment, Sega and Namco are adamant about not changing their main colors. The only way I could see a "compromise" is if all of their alternate costumes are switched with an "outfit alternate" where Sonic and Pac-Man themselves can't change colors, but the outfits they get can.

• Pac-Man has a good number of outfits like his Warrior armor from Pac N Roll, his Pac-Land hat and Winged boots, Super Pac-Man, maybe combining his wristband and plaid alternates together, his headphones from Pac-Tune and some of his merchandise outfits like Postman and Rugby. "Puck" from Shadow Labyrinth would also be cool, but I imagine that could potentially be a DLC outfit or something.
• Sonic has his Phantasy Star Hunter/HUmar outfit and Pumpkin outfit from Sonic Adventure 2. There's his Sonic Rider glasses. He has a Santa outfit and Party Hat and Glasses in Sonic Frontiers. He has the Gauntlets and the Excalibur armor from Sonic and the Black Knight. It's Smash Bros, so hey, give him his Link outfit from Sonic Lost Worlds? Heck, give him an in-joke by giving him a "Sonic Man" costume, with Sonic Man's visor and t-shirt.

Like sure, all of that would also be dependant on if Namco and Sega are good with those outfits being in to begin with, but it would certainly be an interesting liberty to keep Sonic and Pac-Man's main colors, but allow some form of color editing for Sonic and Pac-Man that isn't heavily restricted to stuff you barely notice.

 

[Gengar84]

It does... but lemme ask you think.

Which 8 tunics?

Classic NES, OoT, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom, Wind Waker styled tunic and Fierce Diety Link

Something along these lines could work:

Classic - White alt
OoT - Dark Link alt
Twilight Princess - Red alt
Skyward Sword - Blue alt
Breath of the Wild - Purple alt
Tears of the Kingdom - Yellow alt
Wind Waker - Sky blue alt
Fierce Diety - Black alt

 

[DarthEnderX]

well then don’t throw out your copies of ultimate. just cause a new game comes along doesn’t mean you have to stop playing the old ones

Yeah but, what if, instead of getting a new, potentially bad thing, I could get MORE of the thing that's already excellent?

What if, instead of getting Street Fighter X Tekken, I got another 20+ Street Fighter 4 characters instead? What if, instead of getting Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite, I got another couple seasons of MvC3 DLC instead?

Brighter timelines, friend. Brighter timelines indeed...

 

[Perkilator]

I think basing Link off his appearance in Tears of the Kingdom leads itself to some decent alt variety, like:

1. Archaic Tunic (default)
2. Champion’s Leathers (w/cape)
3. Ember Set
4. Frostbite Set
5. Charged Set
6. Royal Guard Set
7. Hero of Time Set
8. Dark Set

Honorable mention to the Old Shirt and the Nintendo Switch Shirt form Breath of the Wild, which sadly weren't in Tears of the Kingdom.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Personally, I just want Link’s green tunic option to be basically anything other than the Tunic of the Wild. I think that’s my least favorite green tunic Link design of all time. Pretty much any of the other throwback tunics in BotW and TotK would be better.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah but, what if, instead of getting a new, potentially bad thing, I could get MORE of the thing that's already excellent?

What if, instead of getting Street Fighter X Tekken, I got another 20+ Street Fighter 4 characters instead? What if, instead of getting Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite, I got another couple seasons of MvC3 DLC instead?

Brighter timelines, friend. Brighter timelines indeed...

I mean if we're "what if"ing, what if instead of MvC3, we get MvC2 DLC? What if instead of SF4, we get more SF3?

New Smash could be bad, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will be.

 

[Gengar84]

Personally, I just want Link’s green tunic option to be basically anything other than the Tunic of the Wild. I think that’s my least favorite green tunic Link design of all time.

It slightly beats Skyward Sword for me but I don’t like it either. I just want OoT Link back. My optimal characters would be OoT Link and Ganondorf and TP Zelda. If we get Impa and she can’t use her HW design, I’d love to see her SS design.

 

[Noipoi]

There’s always the hypothetical chance that the new Smash is bad, but-

It won’t be, come on

 

[Guynamednelson]

What if, instead of getting Street Fighter X Tekken, I got another 20+ Street Fighter 4 characters instead?

You got a little bit of both, Ultra SF4 was them salvaging the SFxT assets that were 100% relevant to Street Fighter

There’s always the hypothetical chance that the new Smash is bad, but-

It won’t be, come on

Of course it won't.

But the price you'll have to pay will be.

 

[DarthEnderX]

-I’d want some significant new content. Not just another fighters pass, something big. Something that would justify paying an extra $25 and holding onto Ultimate for another eight years. I’m talking Subspace big.

And they’re just not gonna do that

Why not? Mario Party is getting new modes. Kirby is getting another Story mode.

What I want most is a brand new game with a comparatively large roster but greatly expanded single player and co-op modes.

What I want most is a brand new game with EiH2. But I'll settle for Ultimate S2E with additional Fighters.

The way physical Switch 2 Editions work is that what's in the box is a Switch 1 cartridge and a download code to get the Upgrade Pack for free. This also means that if, for some reason, you don't have any Internet at home, you just bought a Switch 1 game for 20 bucks more. You got robbed.

I mean, you didn't get robbed. You bought a product you couldn't use.

It's not like Nintendo lies about what's in the package.

If Sakurai wants color editor to be a big feature for the game, it would suck if it was something that a portion of the roster would not be allowed to get.

For something like that, it really feels like Sakurai would go all or nothing.

shrug Custom moves were a big feature for Smash 4. DLC characters didn't get any.

Sakurai isn't all or nothing.

Personally, I just want Link’s green tunic option to be basically anything other than the Tunic of the Wild. I think that’s my least favorite green tunic Link design of all time.

Those damn shorts...

There’s always the hypothetical chance that the new Smash is bad, but-

It won’t be, come on

To be the worse option, it doesn't have to be bad. It just has to be not as good as Ultimate.

You got a little bit of both, Ultra SF4 was them salvaging the SFxT assets that were 100% relevant to Street Fighter

Now imagine if, instead of wasting dev resources on making 25 Tekken characters in the SF4 engine, they'd made 25 more SF characters instead.

Ultimate Street Fighter 4: Everyone is Here!

 

[Noipoi]

Why not? Mario Party is getting new modes. Kirby is getting another Story mode.

Adding new mini games to Mario Party or remixed levels to Kirby makes sense, it’s expanding upon what the game is about.

If we got a Switch 2 Edition of Ultimate they wouldn’t add a new single player mode, they would focus on what the game is about, the characters. The only new content we’d get would be another fighters pass. Perhaps two if they wanted to stretch it out.

Maybe they do something new with World of Light, but I severely doubt it.

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah but, what if, instead of getting a new, potentially bad thing, I could get MORE of the thing that's already excellent?

What if, instead of getting Street Fighter X Tekken, I got another 20+ Street Fighter 4 characters instead? What if, instead of getting Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite, I got another couple seasons of MvC3 DLC instead?

Brighter timelines, friend. Brighter timelines indeed...

Sounds like stagnation to me

 

[HyperSomari64]

You got a little bit of both, Ultra SF4 was them salvaging the SFxT assets that were 100% relevant to Street Fighter

If a Tekken character go saved for a Mega SF4, i think it would be Heihachi.

 

[DarthEnderX]

If we got a Switch 2 Edition of Ultimate they wouldn’t add a new single player mode, they would focus on what the game is about, the characters. The only new content we’d get would be another fighters pass. Perhaps two if they wanted to stretch it out.

Maybe they do something new with World of Light, but I severely doubt it.

I think new modes and a WoL expansion are both possible.

New modes like Smash Run, Boss Rush or Break Targets. Not SSE.

Sounds like stagnation to me

New characters doesn't sound like stagnation to me.

 

[fogbadge]

New characters doesn't sound like stagnation to me.

sticking with the same thing forever is stagnation

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

New characters doesn't sound like stagnation to me.

New characters isn't stagnation.

Sticking to the same engine and mechanics for decades is.

 

[Ivander]

Maybe they do something new with World of Light, but I severely doubt it.

A couple extra platforming levels with Mook enemies kinda like Cuphead? An "Epilogue" Subspace dungeon where you face against new Spirits as well as bosses from Brawl like Porky, Rayquaza and Tabuu, with a platforming level based on the Great Maze from Subspace Emissary?
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That said, I do agree that we're unlikely to get anything new aside from a few new characters, a few new stages, new Spirits, new Assist Trophies, and maybe a proper Boss Rush or an option to fight bosses in the Spirit Mode........I miss Smash Run.

 

[Gengar84]

I think I’m okay with either option. S2E means I get to keep all my favorite characters but the game otherwise feels largely the same and less exciting. A brand new entry might mean I lose a lot of favorites but the modes and newcomers might make up for it. Neither option is perfect but I could be happy with either.

 

[Noipoi]

A couple extra platforming levels with Mook enemies kinda like Cuphead? An "Epilogue" Subspace dungeon where you face against new Spirits as well as bosses from Brawl like Porky, Rayquaza and Tabuu, with a platforming level based on the Great Maze from Subspace Emissary?
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That said, I do agree that we're unlikely to get anything new aside from a few new characters, a few new stages, new Spirits, new Assist Trophies, and maybe a proper Boss Rush or an option to fight bosses in the Spirit Mode........I miss Smash Run.

And that’d be it. The only new Smash content we’d get for the next 8 years. A handful of new characters with their associated content.

Like I said, I could live with it. But I don’t think I’d have much of an interest in Smash this generation.

New characters isn't stagnation.

Sticking to the same engine and mechanics for decades is.

Don’t you get it? If Young Link is ever removed from the game the franchise is ruined!

 

[Perkilator]

I feel like if some of the people in this very forum were in charge of Nintendo, we'd be lucky if the company didn't go bankrupt.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If Ultimate Switch 2 Edition is all we get for the console, I am deleting this account. So that means I'll wait a few years after a S2E reveal in case we get both that and a new game down the line.

Bookmark this if you want, I don't care. I am that confident we'll get more than just a port.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Adding new mini games to Mario Party or remixed levels to Kirby makes sense, it’s expanding upon what the game is about.

If we got a Switch 2 Edition of Ultimate they wouldn’t add a new single player mode, they would focus on what the game is about, the characters. The only new content we’d get would be another fighters pass. Perhaps two if they wanted to stretch it out.

Maybe they do something new with World of Light, but I severely doubt it.

Since Fighters Passes would be more separate DLC, I don't even see a reason for a "Switch 2 Edition" in the first place.

 

[Noipoi]

I feel like if some of the people in this very forum were in charge of Nintendo, we'd be lucky if the company didn't go bankrupt.

That’s true of pretty much all fandoms though lol

 

[Gengar84]

I think it would be fun if Smash got some more niche but fun third party character support. Two characters I’m thinking of that I’d love to see are Etna (Disgaea) and Misako (River City Girls). Both characters are from relatively smaller series but bring so much charm and energy with them that they’d be a blast to play in Smash and fit right in. Etna and Misako both bring that snarky humor that not many current Smash characters do and give us two more exciting female characters, which Smash could always use. Both are a bit of a long shot but I think they’d be fun wild cards.

 

[DarthEnderX]

sticking with the same thing forever is stagnation

Not if you're continually adding to it.

New characters isn't stagnation.

Sticking to the same engine and mechanics for decades is.

And if you're doing one, and not the other, then the game, as a whole, isn't stagnating. Because part of it continues to expand and evolve.

And that’d be it. The only new Smash content we’d get for the next 8 years. A handful of new characters with their associated content.

Why does it have to be only a handful?

S2E could mark the beginning of a whole new round of Fighters Passes.

If Ultimate Switch 2 Edition is all we get for the console, I am deleting this account.

That seems like a healthy response...

Since Fighters Passes would be more separate DLC, I don't even see a reason for a "Switch 2 Edition" in the first place.

If Ultimate was to continue, they'd at least want to take advantage of the improved performance and resolution.

 

[Gengar84]

Whatever approach gives me the best chance to play as the most characters I really like is the one I support. I’m cool with a new game as long as I keep Sephiroth, K. Rool, and Ganondorf. I’m also cool with S2E if we get enough extra characters and modes I’m excited for.

 

[Will]

Personally, I just want Link’s green tunic option to be basically anything other than the Tunic of the Wild. I think that’s my least favorite green tunic Link design of all time. Pretty much any of the other throwback tunics in BotW and TotK would be better.

Tunic of the Wild makes Link look like he’s trying to cosplay as himself

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

As for Pokémon alts, they're kinda weird.

Pikachu's electric typing is communicated by his yellow pallet, so he gets 7 yellow pallets with a hat. They do actually change its color though, opting to have an alt with sickly yellow green (which is certainly a choice), and more reddish yellows. Its shiny pallet (a more golden/orangey yellow with pinkish red cheeks) isn't here. I also don't see any reason why it can't have pallets that reference other electric rodents like Raichu, Pachirisu, and Emolga so the exclusion of them is a little odd given how other characters pallet swaps work. Jigglypuff is also kind of weird because while I think she tends to look bad in just any old color combination, but it definitely has a lot more freedom in that aspect. There's no reason why it can't have a mint pallet for example. It also doesn't have it's shiny despite being various shades of pink (the shiny has less red in the pink, and green eyes).

Pichu follow's Pikachu's rules, and also doesn't have his shiny pallet even though it's literally just Pikachu's colors...Though if he didn't have hat alts I would be in favor of not having it. Mewtwo has an old shiny pallet (muted yellow tail), but does not have its current one (whitish skin with a green tail and eyes) and since it actually changes colors for each, I do not understand why. They also don't play around with his skin color all that much, just the tail for whatever reason.

I like the blue pallets, but why does Lucario have 4 of them (including base)? Also the green one is ugly. Also also, no shiny (highlighter yellow), which I don't care about in practice because it's ugly, but in principle it's weird. Pokémon Trainer is the first to have good pallets, but do they have shiny pallets? Kinda. Squirtle has a green shelled pallet, but some of the other colors (like they eyes) are off. Ivysaur has a pallet with a yellow bud, but his body is a much softer green. Charizard kind of has his old shiny pallet, but the inner wing is the wrong color, and his current shiny (black and red) is completely absent.

Greninja and Incineroar also have pretty good pallets. Greninja has a pallet that is so close to its shiny, but they changed some of the colors to make it not as good and it makes me sad. This makes Incineroar the only Pokémon to have their shiny pallet, and even then the white on it is grey for no particular reason.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Tunic of the Wild makes Link look like he’s trying to cosplay as himself

It's kind of the point of it, to be fair.

 

[Will]

Hey Studio S, where my Shiny Pokemon alt?

It's kind of the point of it, to be fair.

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Did it also have to look like the fit shrunk in the dryer but Link was too stubborn to get a replacement so he just wears it anyway?

 

[Gengar84]

I also want Link’s hookshot back. I don’t care that he couldn’t use it in BotW or TotK, it made him fun to play in Smash. Replacing it with a standard grab like everyone else is just kind of boring.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I also want Link’s hookshot back. I don’t care that he couldn’t use it in BotW or TotK, it made him fun to play in Smash. Replacing it with a standard grab like everyone else is just kind of boring.

I was surprised at them not bringing it back for TotK. It would've been so cool to Hookshot around the place and could've been part of the hand abilities.

 

[Gengar84]

I was surprised at them not bringing it back for TotK. It would've been so cool to Hookshot around the place and could've been part of the hand abilities.

I agree. I was really hoping for that too. I was also hoping the game would be local multiplayer where player 2 controls Zelda. Oh well, it was still fun.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's kind of the point of it, to be fair.

I guess it's kinda like Dudunsparce in that regard. The joke is that it sucks, but instead of being funny, it just sucks.

 

[Gengar84]

I guess it's kinda like Dudunsparce in that regard. The joke is that it sucks, but instead of being funny, it just sucks.

I actually like Dunsparce and Dudunsparce. Maybe I’m alone in that one lol.

 

[fogbadge]

Not if you're continually adding to it.

And if you're doing one, and not the other, then the game, as a whole, isn't stagnating. Because part of it continues to expand and evolve.

Why does it have to be only a handful?

S2E could mark the beginning of a whole new round of Fighters Passes.

That seems like a healthy response...

If Ultimate was to continue, they'd at least want to take advantage of the improved performance and resolution.

hey if you want to play the same game forever then more power to you but some of us are a little tired of live service games

 

[Noipoi]

Why does it have to be only a handful?

S2E could mark the beginning of a whole new round of Fighters Passes.

Sure, just like I could win the lottery. Doesn’t mean that’ll happen.

One or two fighters passes, another 5-10 characters, and that’s it.

As for Pokémon alts, they're kinda weird.

Pikachu's electric typing is communicated by his yellow pallet, so he gets 7 yellow pallets with a hat. They do actually change its color though, opting to have an alt with sickly yellow green (which is certainly a choice), and more reddish yellows. Its shiny pallet (a more golden/orangey yellow with pinkish red cheeks) isn't here. I also don't see any reason why it can't have pallets that reference other electric rodents like Raichu, Pachirisu, and Emolga so the exclusion of them is a little odd given how other characters pallet swaps work. Jigglypuff is also kind of weird because while I think she tends to look bad in just any old color combination, but it definitely has a lot more freedom in that aspect. There's no reason why it can't have a mint pallet for example. It also doesn't have it's shiny despite being various shades of pink (the shiny has less red in the pink, and green eyes).

Pichu follow's Pikachu's rules, and also doesn't have his shiny pallet even though it's literally just Pikachu's colors...Though if he didn't have hat alts I would be in favor of not having it. Mewtwo has an old shiny pallet (muted yellow tail), but does not have its current one (whitish skin with a green tail and eyes) and since it actually changes colors for each, I do not understand why. They also don't play around with his skin color all that much, just the tail for whatever reason.

I like the blue pallets, but why does Lucario have 4 of them (including base)? Also the green one is ugly. Also also, no shiny (highlighter yellow), which I don't care about in practice because it's ugly, but in principle it's weird. Pokémon Trainer is the first to have good pallets, but do they have shiny pallets? Kinda. Squirtle has a green shelled pallet, but some of the other colors (like they eyes) are off. Ivysaur has a pallet with a yellow bud, but his body is a much softer green. Charizard kind of has his old shiny pallet, but the inner wing is the wrong color, and his current shiny (black and red) is completely absent.

Greninja and Incineroar also have pretty good pallets. Greninja has a pallet that is so close to its shiny, but they changed some of the colors to make it not as good and it makes me sad. This makes Incineroar the only Pokémon to have their shiny pallet, and even then the white on it is grey for no particular reason.

Every single Pokemon should have their shiny as an alt. Every single one.

 

[Perkilator]

I also want Link’s hookshot back. I don’t care that he couldn’t use it in BotW or TotK, it made him fun to play in Smash. Replacing it with a standard grab like everyone else is just kind of boring.

I guess we can bring in the Ultrahand as a Hookshot successor. And yes, I'm fully aware that using it as a tether recovery isn't how it works in Tears of the Kingdom; I just think it would make for a neat creative liberty.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I actually like Dunsparce and Dudunsparce. Maybe I’m alone in that one lol.

I really like Dunsparce, and there's a decent amount of people that do, and there was a semi-popular sentiment about the idea of it getting an evolution, drawing up some pretty cool designs.

In response, GameFreak gave us a ****post.

Jokes at the expense of the audience are rarely a good idea, and even if you found it funny, when the joke wears off you're left with Dunsparce, but again, which is an extremely uninteresting design.

 

[DarthEnderX]

One or two fighters passes, another 5-10 characters, and that’s it.

3 Passes. Another 18 Fighters. 100 Fighters total.