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Official Smash for Switch 2 - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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I’ve never played a Luigi’s Mansion game but I think King Boo would be really cool. Boos are my second favorite Mario enemy behind Goomba so an actual Boo character could be a lot of fun in Smash. Ghost is one of my two favorite types in Pokemon along with Bug so it would be cool to have some kind of Ghost in Smash even if it’s not from Pokemon. Not sure who they could go with for an insect in Smash. There’s a lot of really awesome choices but all are pretty minor and wouldn’t have a realistic shot.
 

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Does Dark Samus have a gender?
Yeah she's described with "she" pronouns.

Though considering the context, "it" is also acceptable. I don't think Dark Samus particularly cares about gender considering it's essentially a space virus.
 

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Yeah she's described with "she" pronouns.

Though considering the context, "it" is also acceptable. I don't think Dark Samus particularly cares about gender considering it's essentially a space virus.
Thanks. I guess I should revise my statement to “Smash doesn’t have a unique female villain that isn’t an echo or alternate outfit of another character.”
 

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The only missing villain that I think has equal star power to the above four is Giovanni.
Yeah I feel like he would be more like "you get to play as an Onix, Rhyhorn, and Kengaskhan!"

Which would be kinda dope, but that's not really the same thing.

Do Louie from Pikmin and Tom Nook from Animal Crossing count as minor antagonists?
No. IIRC Louie causes problems because he's stupid and runs off. That doesn't really qualify for antagonist.

Yeah, with FE it'd probably be Black Knight or Veronica or Edelgard. When it comes to FE's villains, they're the only ones that have the combination of popularity, notability, and importance that I think would allow them to stand out from their peers and be picked from the crowd.
It's kind of funny how none of Fire Emblem's myriad of evil dragons are considered notable villains.

Technically speaking, Tom Nook is an opposition to the Villager due to being the one giving them loans for their home. So yes, he is an antagonist.
Um...no? The loan is a mutually beneficial relationship. You get to live in a house that you have to pay off, but have no time pressure to do so due to there being no due date or interest, and he eventually gets the money he's owed. Nobody's working against anyone here.

Redd on the other hand is definitely an antagonist, if only for the brief spell he's on your island, as he's actively trying to rip you off on expensive items.

Consistently rude villagers also count, but they don't really exist anymore.

Does Dark Samus have a gender? I know it’s inhabiting Samus’ suit but I never really considered the character to be either male or female.
As much as it doesn't make sense, this being of pure energy not only has DNA, but it's DNA is a direct match to Samus. Ergo, girl.
 

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Nintendo so far has only done one double-feature Nintendo Direct, right? Back in August 2024?

I think double-feature Directs would be beneficial for Nintendo depending on the circumstances. For instance, June could probably fit in a double-feature of a DK Bananza Direct followed by a general Nintendo Direct.
 

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I still think Jessie, James, and Meowth from Team Rocket would be phenomenal Smash characters. Despite originating from the anime, I feel like they’re more iconic than almost any video game character. I’d say they’re by far the most recognizable villains not yet playable in Smash. They likely even beat out Ganondorf, Ridley, K. Rool and Bowser Jr. in terms of general recognizability. The only thing holding them back is their anime origins. I think they could easily make an exception for Nintendo related characters. ROB wasn’t technically a video game character either. It would be awesome if they brought a few anime original songs with them like the first English and Japanese opening themes and maybe even “Team Rocket’s Rockin’!”.

As for how they’d play, I envision them actually getting into the fight themselves and using a mix of gadgets for smash attacks and Pokemon summoning for specials. The two could play similarly with the same normals and share Meowth for some attacks but they could each have their own Pokemon for specials.

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It's kind of funny how none of Fire Emblem's myriad of evil dragons are considered notable villains.
Grima and Medeus are really the only notable ones for different reasons. The former being from one of the most popular FE games and the latter being the OG. And Grima is much bigger than Ridley to be a fighter(including it's Echoes look), and Medeus has nowhere near the popularity of some of the other villains. And aside from the former two, Loptous and Sombron, the other Evil Dragons are less villains and are either brainwashed or driven insane and have to be put out of their misery. Meanwhile, Loptous is stuck to Genealogy(and stuck to Julius due to Loptous possessing him) and Sombron is regarded as forgettable.
 

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I know he’s a one-off villain and all, but I’m disappointed that I haven’t seen any mention of Raven Beak when it comes to Nintendo villains in general.
If we're talking minor villains, he's a great pick.

My Full Villain Wishlist:
Fighters
Raven Beak [Metroid]
King Hippo [Punch-Out]
M. Bison [Street Fighter]
Psaro [Dragon Quest]
Nightmare [Soulcalibur]
Firebrand [Gargoyle's Quest]
Wesker [Resident Evil]
Vergil [Devil May Cry]
Majima [Like A Dragon]
Illidan [Warcraft]
Kerrigan [Starcraft]

Echoes
11e. Black Shadow [Captain Falcon]
27e. Galacta Knight [Meta Knight]
31e. Liquid Snake [Snake]
32e. Black Knight [Ike]
38e. Shadow [Sonic]
46e. Bass [Megaman]
64e. Octolings [Inklings]

Bosses
Mother Brain [Metroid]
Andross [Star Fox]
Porky [Earthbound]
Medusa [Kid Icarus]
Liquid Snake piloting Metal Gear REX [Metal Gear]
Eggman piloting Death Egg Robot [Sonic the Hedgehog]
Dr. Wily piloting Wily Machine [Mega Man]
Safer∙Sephiroth [Final Fantasy]
Astaroth [Ghosts ‘n Goblins]

Does Dark Samus have a gender?
No. It's just a mutant Metroid inside one of Samus' old suits.

As much as it doesn't make sense, this being of pure energy not only has DNA, but it's DNA is a direct match to Samus. Ergo, girl.
No more so than a Xenomorph is the same gender as the person they chestburst from.
 

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It's kind of funny how none of Fire Emblem's myriad of evil dragons are considered notable villains.
That's kind of what happens when you generally have them all play the same role in their respective games and said roles give them little chance to stand out. They tend to be the big bad boss that sits in the background and doesn't really interact with the plot until you get to the end of the game, and by that point you would've met other villains and characters that would've left more of an impression. It also doesn't help that the interesting aspects of their characters don't really get explored, Medeus is a jaded freedom fighter but you only get told that, Idunn is a brainwashed weapon, but gets her story plot dumped at the second to last chapter, Anankos has a backstory that's split to three different DLCs so you have to actively go out of the way to get it, and so on and so forth. The only exception is really Rhea, and like Edelgard she depends on how much you consider her a villain and how much it contributes to her popularity.

Funny enough, to FEH's credit, it benefitted half of these dragons since it actually shows the other parts of their characters. For instance, Medeus just got an alt showing himself before becoming jaded with humanity, Idunn across her three alts shows her shedding her brainwashing and regaining her true self, and Duma gets to showcase more of his previous self before becoming a goop monster. They haven't jumped to the top, but it's allowed the fanbase to appreciate them more as characters then just bosses to get past.
 

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No more so than a Xenomorph is the same gender as the person they chestburst from.
That you can at least pretend there's a reasonable explanation for, though the implication would be that all Xenomorphs are technically hybrid species because they deliberately take their gender determining genes from their host. Weird, but so is nature on Earth so not too bad.

Dark Samus on the other hand isn't a biological life form, so how the heck does she have DNA?
 

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If we're talking minor villains, he's a great pick.

My Full Villain Wishlist:
Fighters
Raven Beak [Metroid]
King Hippo [Punch-Out]
M. Bison [Street Fighter]
Psaro [Dragon Quest]
Nightmare [Soulcalibur]
Firebrand [Gargoyle's Quest]
Wesker [Resident Evil]
Vergil [Devil May Cry]
Majima [Like A Dragon]
Illidan [Warcraft]
Kerrigan [Starcraft]

Echoes
11e. Black Shadow [Captain Falcon]
27e. Galacta Knight [Meta Knight]
31e. Liquid Snake [Snake]
32e. Black Knight [Ike]
38e. Shadow [Sonic]
46e. Bass [Megaman]
64e. Octolings [Inklings]

Bosses
Mother Brain [Metroid]
Andross [Star Fox]
Porky [Earthbound]
Medusa [Kid Icarus]
Liquid Snake piloting Metal Gear REX [Metal Gear]
Eggman piloting Death Egg Robot [Sonic the Hedgehog]
Dr. Wily piloting Wily Machine [Mega Man]
Safer∙Sephiroth [Final Fantasy]
Astaroth [Ghosts ‘n Goblins]

No. It's just a mutant Metroid inside one of Samus' old suits.

No more so than a Xenomorph is the same gender as the person they chestburst from.
Cool that we share Illidan, Kerrigan, Nightmare and Raven Beak in our lists. Illidan and Kerrigan are both in my overall top 10. WarCraft sadly has no Nintendo history and StarCraft just has StarCraft 64 but I feel both were influential and iconic enough to warrant a character in Smash despite minimal connection. They wouldn’t be the first Smash characters with much stronger ties to other platforms than Nintendo. Nightmare and Raven Beak are both likely in my top 20. Soul Calibur is my most played fighting game series after Smash and Metroid Dread was the first Metroid game I ever beat. I’ve always loved the designs in Metroid but never got around to playing the games until Dread.
 

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Again, we're talking about sci-fi creatures that come from worlds and stories that have their own rules and reasonings, including what gender they're referred to and why. Dark Samus is hardly the first example of a being having a gender that theoretically shouldn't be possible, but by how the story goes about her creation and how she's referred to even by her most ardent followers and log scans it's clear that she's meant to be female. We can argue the logistics all we like, but that's how the character is represented in her story and background.
 
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Here’s another question: Does Diablo have a gender? In the first two games, Diablo looked more masculine but has appeared more feminine in Diablo 3 and 4. I’m particularly fond of its Diablo 3 design. Since Diablo 3 is the game with the strongest Nintendo connection in the series, I’m hopeful they’d go with this version if Diablo ever gets in Smash.

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Since Diablo 3 is the game with the strongest Nintendo connection in the series
Nintendo will probably pick anything like how Snake’s appearance in Brawl was based on the two games (2 and 3) that were PlayStation exclusive at the time.

Some stuff for Sonic was from Sonic 06.
 
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Here’s another question: Does Diablo have a gender? In the first two games, Diablo looked more masculine but has appeared more feminine in Diablo 3 and 4. I’m particularly fond of its Diablo 3 design. Since Diablo 3 is the game with the strongest Nintendo connection in the series, I’m hopeful they’d go with this version if Diablo ever gets in Smash.

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Isn't Diablo's design in each game dependant on their host? Since Diablo had a male host in 2 and a female host in 3? That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they would go with the design they used for Heroes of the Storm, which I think was 2's Diablo design.
 

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There really aren't any big Nintendo villains like :ultbowser::ultganondorf::ultridley::ultkrool:, are there?

The more minor villains like :ultdarksamus::ultwolf::ultbowserjr: :ultpiranha:are great and fantastic additions (calling Jr. a minor villain feels odd).

And the anti heroes :ultdarkpit::ultmetaknight::ultkingdedede::ultwario:are amazing as well.

But there aren't any more big notable main villains left, are there? A lot of smaller franchises have recurring villains but they aren't huge big deals like Bowser, Ganon, Ridley or K. Rool. There is a certain lack of star power there. The only missing villain that I think has equal star power to the above four is Giovanni. And I don't think he really works as a playable character. A lot of his would be menace was given to :ultmewtwo: anyways.

It seems painfully obvious why they chose to include :ultsephiroth:now (and technically :ultkazuya:). Nintendo ran out of major headlining villains. They need other companies to keep including them.

I think DJ Octavio is the only Nintendo villain who could eventually step into that kind of role. He's reoccurring. He seems to be an ever present part of Splatoon. Splatoon is major enough that he may become large enough to make it work.

There's Kamek, I guess, but he's playing third fiddle to both Bowser AND Jr. Nintendo likes to play with the Bowser and Jr. bond, but they rarely have the trio interact as a villainous triumvirate.
The main villain of Super Smash Bros. is a pretty notable omission. :4pacman:
 

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Isn't Diablo's design in each game dependant on their host? Since Diablo had a male host in 2 and a female host in 3? That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they would go with the design they used for Heroes of the Storm, which I think was 2's Diablo design.
Yeah that makes sense. I’ve only played Diablo 3 so I’m not overly familiar with the lore. It looks like the Diablo 3 version (Prime Evil) is also in Heroes of the Storm. They’re way too different from each other to work as alts in Smash so they’d likely have to pick one. Diablo 2’s version reminds me a lot of Bowser where Diablo 3’s looks completely different from anything in Smash. The closest probably being Mewtwo or Ridley. I feel like Prime Evil would stand out better. Both designs are great but 3’s is my favorite.

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You guys know how Smash 64 had that comic book aesthetic for its artwork?
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I’d be open to seeing the next Smash game go all-in with an art style like this. It could especially lend itself to menu transitions and the HUD.
 
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No. It's just a mutant Metroid inside one of Samus' old suits.
No it isn't. Dark Samus beneath the armor has the organs and shape of a human, even down to seeming human nerve endings distinctly different than how they look on Metroid Prime. It's heavily implied she copied Samus as well as her armor.
No more so than a Xenomorph is the same gender as the person they chestburst from.
I definitely don't need to explain to you on what a Xenomorph queen is, but Xenomorph Kings are not naturally occurring entities in Alien without gene manipulation, and Drones (the genderless Xeno's) have been seen at times shedding into Queens, which does actually make Xenomorph's a good example of usually genderless beings taking on a gender under certain conditions, but I don't think that's the point you were trying to make.
 

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Dark Samus on the other hand isn't a biological life form, so how the heck does she have DNA?
I agree, but supposedly that's the lore. Supposedly Metroid Prime absorbed some of her DNA during the battle at the end of MP1.

Dark Samus is hardly the first example of a being having a gender that theoretically shouldn't be possible, but by how the story goes about her creation and how she's referred to even by her most ardent followers and log scans it's clear that she's meant to be female. We can argue the logistics all we like, but that's how the character is represented in her story and background.
Dark Samus doesn't identify itself as female.

Does Diablo have a gender?
Well, he calls himself the Lord of Terror. So he identifies as male.

Isn't Diablo's design in each game dependant on their host?
Yes.

No it isn't. Dark Samus beneath the armor has the organs and shape of a human, even down to seeming human nerve endings distinctly different than how they look on Metroid Prime. It's heavily implied she copied Samus as well as her armor.
Ah yes, so human...
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It's also heavily implied that, without the Phazon Suit, Dark Samus wouldn't be able to hold it's humanoid shape.
 
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You guys know how Smash 64 had that comic book aesthetic for its artwork?
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I’d be open to seeing the next Smash game go all-in with an art style like this. It could especially lend itself to menu transitions and the HUD.
I really like this concept. Especially now that recent Mario games have started calling back to the classic art style, this would be a pretty cool idea.
 

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It’s a bit of a long shot due to a nonexistent Nintendo connection but I’m curious who they’d go with if WarCraft got a Smash character. There are actually a lot of great options. My favorite is Illidan but Arthas would be a close second. Others like Thrall, Jaina and Sylvanas could be cool too. I do think WarCraft’s influence in gaming history is significant enough to overcome the hurdle of a lack of Nintendo connection. Its characters all have very striking designs and abilities that really make them stand out too, which always helps.

You guys know how Smash 64 had that comic book aesthetic for its artwork?
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I’d be open to seeing the next Smash game go all-in with an art style like this. It could especially lend itself to menu transitions and the HUD.
I’d love Smash to go for a stylish cel shaded look. Each character’s design could be inspired by their 2D artwork. The Mario characters could take inspiration from the NES and SNES era Kotabe art, the Pokemon could look like classic Sugimori art, Mega Man could take inspiration from his Inafune art, and Cloud and Sephiroth could resemble their original FFVII Nomura character art.
 
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Dark Samus doesn't identify itself as female.
How do you know that? For those who associate with her (like her brainwashed disciples) they constantly and consistently refer to her as female. If anything that imply she at least has no problem being referred to as female, and no other data or lore implies otherwise.

Looking at the lore, log scans, her associations, and even real life interviews from the developers she has consistently been referred to as female.
 
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Because it doesn't identify itself at all.
And again, how do you know that? We don't talk to her, but her disciples do and they always use female pronouns. And remember, she's the one who brainwashed them so she had complete power to rewrite their thinking and never does.
 

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I apologize for questioning Dark Samus’ gender. I didn’t mean to turn it into a whole thing. It all could have been avoided if I just said “Smash hasn’t had a unique female villain that isn’t an echo or alt of another character” instead of “Smash hasn’t had a female villain”. My bad.
 

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My bad, I forgot that looking like a Human makes you a human in Sci Fi tech bird magic alien recreation universe where we're discussing something as fluid as gender and vague as DNA splicing.

Anyway, let's take a look at this completely ordinary wom-
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Oh.
 

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I apologize for questioning Dark Samus’ gender. I didn’t mean to turn it into a whole thing. It all could have been avoided if I just said “Smash hasn’t had a unique female villain that isn’t an echo or alt of another character” instead of “Smash hasn’t had a female villain”. My bad.
It's funny, because I think everyone ultimately agrees with each other, but how much they accept or reject cannon varies wildly, and that's what the argument seems to be about.
 

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It's funny, because I think everyone ultimately agrees with each other, but how much they accept or reject cannon varies wildly, and that's what the argument seems to be about.
It seems like there’s a valid argument on each side and neither is really right or wrong. I think it’s just a matter of perspective.
 
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You guys know how Smash 64 had that comic book aesthetic for its artwork?
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I’d be open to seeing the next Smash game go all-in with an art style like this. It could especially lend itself to menu transitions and the HUD.
This is the part where I bring up Hi-Fi Rush
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It's got a great comic book/anime hybrid aesthetic going on that's almost exactly what I'd want from a cel-shaded Smash.

Or a cel-shaded anything really.

I just really like this game
 

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A.M from I have no mouth and I must scream confirmed to be the main villain of the next Super smash bros game :4pacman:. View attachment 402437
"HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 319 QUADRILLION POSSIBLE FIGHT COMBINATIONS IN SMASH ULTIMATE. IF THE WORD 'HATE' WAS DESIGNATED AS THE NAME OF EACH INDIVIDUAL IN THOSE QUADRILLIONS OF SMASH FIGHTS IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR FIGHTERS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR YOU. HATE. HATE."
 
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