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[Superyoshiom]

I'm worried about funky Kong and Dry Bowser

 

[IsmaR]

One of them is already confirmed to be Diddy Kong. http://www.ibtimes.com/mario-kart-8-release-date-may-diddy-kong-confirmed-playable-character-1571887

The Diddy Kong image was confirmed to be a misprint. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he's still in.

 

[Substitution]

I'm worried about funky Kong and Dry Bowser

Or Dry Bones.
He missed out on one game, and I don't want this to be the second.

Though just watch, it'll be Baby Rosalina and either Baby Toad or Baby Wario.
Knowing Nintendo.

 

[IsmaR]

You people and your alternate version/edgy characters make me sad. I just want Kamek.

 

[Substitution]

What? I like Dry Bones.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

You people and your alternate version/edgy characters make me sad. I just want Kamek.

He'll be in someday.

 

[IsmaR]

What? I like Dry Bones.

You'll get Moist Bones and like it.

 

[Substitution]

You'll get Moist Bones and like it.

Nah, I prefer Blood Bones (at least he's an actual character).
But whatever works I guess.

 

[Miffa]

You people and your alternate version/edgy characters make me sad. I just want Kamek.

Kamek was meant to be in 64 but was cut for DK no idea y he never actually came in the series.

 

[IsmaR]

Kamek was meant to be in 64 but was cut for DK no idea y he never actually came in the series.

He was cut for Wario, not DK. DK Jr. was in the original Super Mario Kart.

 

[Miffa]

He was cut for Wario, not DK. DK Jr. was in the original Super Mario Kart.

Oops must got my characters mixed up thought i heard DK somewhere.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You'll get Moist Bones and like it.

Sounds hot.

He was cut for Wario, not DK. DK Jr. was in the original Super Mario Kart.

Which led to the belief that DK Jr. became the current DK. Which is still unknown if this is a fact or not.

 

[IsmaR]

Which led to the belief that DK Jr. became the current DK. Which is still unknown if this is a fact or not.

Baby Mario, eat your heart out.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Baby Mario, eat your heart out.

Fatality?

And yeah, time travel has been confirmed to exist in Mario games, so this isn't odd. It's the only way the Baby Mario thing works, so it working for DK and DK Jr. is beyond believable. Albeit, I'd love if they confirmed if the current DK is the actual DK Jr. in the Mario games or not. I mean, the DKC games has Cranky imply he's the first DK, but that's it.

 

[The Real Gamer]

The Diddy Kong image was confirmed to be a misprint.

I was wondering why that was the only site to share that info... Oh well he's a shoe in regardless.

I wonder if there's any chance that Miis won't be returning?

 

[Substitution]

And yeah, time travel has been confirmed to exist in Mario games, so this isn't odd. It's the only way the Baby Mario thing works, so it working for DK and DK Jr. is beyond believable. Albeit, I'd love if they confirmed if the current DK is the actual DK Jr. in the Mario games or not. I mean, the DKC games has Cranky imply he's the first DK, but that's it.

Time Travel? You mean from Mario's Time Machine? You know that's a edutainment game made by someone else.
I just always said video game logic. It explains a lot.

I wonder if there's any chance that Miis won't be returning?

Knowing how Miis are Nintendo's little princess/prince.
I would be surprised if they were gone.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Looking at the 3 blank spaces, am guessing 2 more Baby Versions of characters, and Bowser Jr.

Watch it be Baby Baby Mario and Baby Baby Luigi.

 

[IsmaR]

I wonder if there's any chance that Miis won't be returning?

There isn't, but dammit I can dream.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Time Travel? You mean from Mario's Time Machine? You know that's a edutainment game made by someone else.
I just always said video game logic. It explains a lot.

Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time as well. I thought of that first. Keep in mind for Miyamoto, any of those Mario can happen(save Hotel Mario at best) without issues, as the cast does all of that, cause they're "like actors". Think Kayfabe possibly. They experience all they act. This is somewhat acknowledged in Super Paper Mario where getting a Game Over happens as part of the storyline. Miyamoto rolls with this fairly well. Although he doesn't like having a lot of story in the Mario games, which somewhat explains his idea of having them play various roles in each game, removing some continuity, and pretty much making it so canon doesn't really exist. There's continuity here and there, of course. The RPG's all happen in a row(SMRPG doesn't have a sequel, so ignoring that one), maybe the Mario Parties happen in an order, the Mario Karts appear to do so, direct sequels(Mario Galaxies, for instance), some others. Like Yoshi's Island > Yoshi's Story and Yoshi's Island > Super Mario World > Possibly Super Mario Sunshine. And so on. It's loose, but happens here and there.

Knowing how Miis are Nintendo's little princess/prince.
I would be surprised if they were gone.

Same. I find them fun and a nice option.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

You people and your alternate version/edgy characters make me sad. I just want Kamek.

This now makes me want his wand as an item so we can all use the Geometry Attack.

 

[Substitution]

Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time as well. I thought of that first. Keep in mind for Miyamoto, any of those Mario can happen(save Hotel Mario at best) without issues, as the cast does all of that, cause they're "like actors". Think Kayfabe possibly. They experience all they act. This is somewhat acknowledged in Super Paper Mario where getting a Game Over happens as part of the storyline. Miyamoto rolls with this fairly well. Although he doesn't like having a lot of story in the Mario games, which somewhat explains his idea of having them play various roles in each game, removing some continuity, and pretty much making it so canon doesn't really exist. There's continuity here and there, of course. The RPG's all happen in a row(SMRPG doesn't have a sequel, so ignoring that one), maybe the Mario Parties happen in an order, the Mario Karts appear to do so, direct sequels(Mario Galaxies, for instance), some others. Like Yoshi's Island > Yoshi's Story and Yoshi's Island > Super Mario World > Possibly Super Mario Sunshine. And so on. It's loose, but happens here and there.

There's just one flaw to your plan.
See, Miyamoto outright said that Mario doesn't have continuity, there is no timeline.
They aren't actors, there isn't time travel, it's just a video game.
So if anything, it is just a case of video game logic.

And yes, of course there's continuity (albeit loose). It wouldn't be a sequel if it didn't have any.
But I do think you're looking a bit too much into Mario canon.

Same. I find them fun and a nice option.

Eh, depends on how they are.
I do find them to be a bit overbearing at times (especially if you play Mario Kart online).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

There's just one flaw to your plan.
See, Miyamoto outright said that Mario doesn't have continuity, there is no timeline.
They aren't actors, there isn't time travel, it's just a video game.
So if anything, it is just a case of video game logic.

And yes, of course there's continuity. It wouldn't be a sequel if it didn't have any.
But I do think you're looking a bit too much into Mario canon.

Continuity is different from canon. An actual canon refers to almost every game in some giant "this is how everything goes." Continuity is just how some games ties together. There's definitely continuity, but no legitimate canon. Never were the same thing. It's not video game logic either, we know that time travel is possible, so of course it can happen in other games if they want it to, that's all. It's just a regular Mario thing.

There is no such thing as a Mario canon. There is various continuities, respectively. And how can you say "there is continuity, but wait, there isn't." Sorry, there is or there isn't. There's no canon to speak of, just tons of random in-jokes at best(which fall under continuity anyway). I just chalk it up to, realistically, tons of various continuities cause it's fun, and logical that way.

Eh, depends on how they are.
I do find them to be a bit overbearing at times (especially if you play Mario Kart online).

I love create a character, so they're a godsend to me.

 

[Pazzo.]

As far as the Mario Universe Being a play: SMB3 was a play of the events of NSMB for the Wii. Yeah, it gets weird.

Nah, Mario has no contentious story line. Strange, since Mario was meant to be linear, and Zelda wasn't, yet Zelda has an official timeline.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I think what people don't realize is that an overarching storyline is what means to have a canon.

Continuity is just references to other various games in the series, and nothing more. Also, seeing as how Super Mario Galaxy 2's story isn't canon to Galaxy 1's, sequels only have continuity these days. You could argue maybe the Mario & Luigi games, Paper Mario games, and the Super Mario World(not 3D World) games have a special set of natural canons at best. But I wouldn't go that far.

Mario has continuity for sure. Just no canon. That help clear it up?

 

[Saito]

Basically what I mean by that is would you prefer a larger number of standalone characters representing a large breadth of franchises or would you prefer sm4sh and/or future iterations to focus on fleshing out those franchises already represented? I'm personally of the opinion that the game would be best served by the addition of more new franchises to the series. I tend to find it more interesting and engaging than tons of reps from the same series.

How about option C.

Make the game very fun. You've got the characters I love already. I don't really care who else you add aside from like 2 people at this point as long as they are fun to play as.

 

[N3ON]

I still don't see why Nintendo/Square can't throw us a bone and include Geno and Mallow in one of their several fairly lame Mario Sports collaboration efforts.
Or really any Mario crossover between the two.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I still don't see why Nintendo/Square can't throw us a bone and include Geno and Mallow in one of their several fairly lame Mario Sports collaboration efforts.
Or really any Mario crossover between the two.

Geno did appear in Superstar Saga if it helps.

And Nintendo needs a reason to pay SquareEnix. Cameos aren't even that cheap, since SE are a bit stingy these days. Kind of like Disney. No wonder they have a crossover.

 

[N3ON]

Geno did appear in Superstar Saga if it helps.

And Nintendo needs a reason to pay SquareEnix. Cameos aren't even that cheap, since SE are a bit stingy these days. Kind of like Disney. No wonder they have a crossover.

Yes having Geno relegated to host of some minigame in a title like ten years ago makes all the difference.

And that's true, but given that they're already allowing for the use of their characters, seems like throwing two more on their wouldn't be such a big deal; I can't imagine Geno and Mallow would cost an unreasonable amount given how much Nintendo is already shelling out for development and possibly the other cameos.

 

[FalKoopa]

Watch it be Baby Baby Mario and Baby Baby Luigi.

Noooooooope.

We need Baby Waluigi before them. :troll&

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yes having Geno relegated to host of some minigame in a title like ten years ago makes all the difference.

And that's true, but given that they're already allowing for the use of their characters, seems like throwing two more on their wouldn't be such a big deal; I can't imagine Geno and Mallow would cost an unreasonable amount given how much Nintendo is already shelling out for development and possibly the other cameos.

Well, to be fair, unlike random showings off Black Mage(a generic guy), Geno and Mallow are Mario characters owned by Square-Enix. So basically, SE is controlling characters from a franchise owned by Nintendo. You could say they have a lot on them in that regard. It's basic incentive, or a "bigger deal". I doubt they cost a severe amount, but I can see SE cheesing them out of cash.

 

[N3ON]

Well, to be fair, unlike random showings off Black Mage(a generic guy), Geno and Mallow are Mario characters owned by Square-Enix. So basically, SE is controlling characters from a franchise owned by Nintendo. You could say they have a lot on them in that regard. It's basic incentive, or a "bigger deal". I doubt they cost a severe amount, but I can see SE cheesing them out of cash.

Right, they're obviously still owned by SE, I guess I just don't see why SE has to be so ****ty about allowing for their use given that Nintendo already must be throwing a decent amount of funds at them. Perhaps I've just underestimated their greed. To be fair though, seems like it'd be a bigger deal getting Black Mage and Slime from a profit perspective, at this point even if they aren't Nintendo characters they'd still bring a bigger crowd to the game than Geno and Mallow; they have a much bigger audience...

 

[Oniric Spriter]

I don't see why Geno should be a big thing for Smash Bros. in the first place.


somehow on topic

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Right, they're obviously still owned by SE, I guess I just don't see why SE has to be so ****ty about allowing for their use given that Nintendo already must be throwing a decent amount of funds at them. Perhaps I've just underestimated their greed. To be fair though, seems like it'd be a bigger deal getting Black Mage and Slime from a profit perspective, at this point even if they aren't Nintendo characters they'd still bring a bigger crowd to the game than Geno and Mallow; they have a much bigger audience...

It might be because Slime and Black Mage are practically mascots and so well known, having plushies, and such, that they get tons of money from them alone. Also, they made the Mario 3 on 3 crossover, not Nintendo, to my knowledge, so the Big N doesn't have to pay much if anything. Intelligent Systems, if I remember correctly, made Mario & Luigi, not SE, so they gotta pay.

I think if they are making it themselves, they're guaranteed enough money to not care. If not, they want to make sure they get a large sum for their property. Lame greed, but at least it's justified. I wouldn't want people using my characters without permission/money depending the situation. If I make money off of mine, I totally want it if people use mine to make money. Fanfiction, who cares, you can do it for free with permission, respectively.(I would almost always given permission, if not say "it's a given", but eh)

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

I don't see why Geno should be a big thing for Smash Bros. in the first place.


somehow on topic

It's just his place in people's hearts. He's like the White Power Ranger of Mario Bros. I would rather see Mallow, to be honest. I don't necessarily like him more. I just think that crazier things can be done with him.

 

[Saito]

I won't lie. I think that the version for the Wii U is going to be insanely packed with content.

I know that they spent the time making a game on the 3ds as well which takes away a lot of the time they could of used to pack content on the Wii U version, but they have probably had so much free time since they didn't have to develop an entire subspace emissary; that I truly think that we have only seen the tip of the iceberg with that direct.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I don't see why Geno should be a big thing for Smash Bros. in the first place.


somehow on topic

People just think that he's owned by Nintendo just because his debut game is Nintendo. It was actually codeveloped by Square Enix, a third party company that's not at all famous, so Geno is a third party character. Square Enix has been experiencing financial problems recently, but that means nothing to smash, because Sakurai wants third party characters that are famous and important to Nintendo.

 

[JamesDNaux]

It was actually codeveloped by Square Enix, a third party company that's not at all famous, so Geno is a third party character.

...

You're just trolling at this point.

Regardless, Geno will never happen anyway.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

People just think that he's owned by Nintendo just because his debut game is Nintendo. It was actually codeveloped by Square Enix, a third party company that's not at all famous, so Geno is a third party character. Square Enix has been experiencing financial problems recently, but that means nothing to smash, because Sakurai wants third party characters that are famous and important to Nintendo.

I don't think he specified "important to Nintendo" in any way. Famous, I could see, though.

He has said, made an appearance on Nintendo, and should be special. But that's it. Snake wasn't important to Nintendo, and Sonic... really isn't all that important like MegaMan was. I'm pretty sure that's not really the case. I think having a notable appearance on it, like being the star of a game and having a Nintendo appearance would matter, though.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

...

You're just trolling at this point.

Regardless, Geno will never happen anyway.

How am I trolling?

@ Verde Coeden Scalesworth
How can you possibly say that Sonic is not important to Nintendo at this point in time. People are speculating that Nintendo will buy up SEGA.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@ Verde Coeden Scalesworth
How can you possibly say that Sonic is not important to Nintendo at this point in time. People are speculating that Nintendo will buy up SEGA.

We're talking about before Brawl. It was more of a side thing. I don't believe he was that important to them. Even now, I still consider them somewhat notable, but not of a major importance like SSB, Mario, Zelda, or Donkey Kong is. I mean, close, but no cigar.

And who knows what Nintendo'll buy. Sega is doing fine as a third party company anyway, and don't need to be bought out. They're not like some other ones who are doing beyond awful, like Capcom have been. >_<

Regardless, you don't have to be super important to Nintendo to be a potential third party choice in Smash. You just need to be notable, not originate from a Manga/Anime, "special", as Sakurai put it, and have a Nintendo appearance. There's a lot that fit that category right now. Spyro, for example.