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It is canonical that she does have PTSD, though. However illogical it may be.
Well then. Just makes it harder to realistically believe.

But there are other factors involved. When does she usually experience the attacks? Did she actually get the PTSD from that encounter at the young age or was it after she met Ridley again? Ect...
 

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Say, can I remind everyone that knowing where this takes place in canon, she would've met Ridley about three times.
So how come it's only now she cracks? Explain that.
 
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Say, can I remind everyone that knowing where this takes place in canon, she would've met Ridley about three times.
So how can now she cracks? Explain that.
Well it really just depends. How much time is between the intervals. How much conflict was she in during those times. When did she actually have the attack. Ect...
 
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Well it really just depends. How much time is between the intervals. How much conflict was she in during those times. When did she actually have the attack. Ect...
Knowing Metroid logic (and the fact that Other M doesn't specify a certain time), I'd say a couple years at least.
 

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Well it really just depends. How much time is between the intervals. How much conflict was she in during those times. When did she actually have the attack. Ect...
She was having conflict due to the death of the baby metroid which had saved her life before. But I don't know if that's enough to emotionally cripple her.
 

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She was having conflict due to the death of the baby metroid which had saved her life before. But I don't know if that's enough to emotionally cripple her.
Okay it's about time I said this.
This is a good example of Other M messing with plot just because drama.

If you went back and played Super Metroid, you'd find out that really, she didn't care about "the baby".
Heck, if anything, it looked like she thought of it as a tag-along, a stray. If she thought otherwise, then why was she so willing to give it to the scientists?

It was only during the final boss that she actually cared for it. But more because it saved her life and not because "it's a child" or whatever excuse they used.
 

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She was having conflict due to the death of the baby metroid which had saved her life before. But I don't know if that's enough to emotionally cripple her.
Any traumatic experience can cause PTSD. Given that this baby Metroid saved her life, it stands to reason that was a near death experience no? That would certain seem traumatic to me.

Another question is. What are the nature of her attacks. How often do they happen? Is it actually PTSD and not just panic attacks, there is a difference as panic attacks aren't as often and only happen when a certain even is trigger whereas PTSD will usually stick with and happen can happen at anytime without being triggered by something specific..

There are tons of variables involved that need to be considered.
 

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Any traumatic experience can cause PTSD. Given that this baby Metroid saved her life, it stands to reason that was a near death experience no? That would certain seem traumatic to me.

Another question is. What are the nature of her attacks. How often do they happen? Is it actually PTSD and not just panic attacks, there is a difference as panic attacks aren't as often and only happen when a certain even is trigger whereas PTSD will usually stick with and happen can happen at anytime without being triggered by something specific..

There are tons of variables involved that need to be considered.
The baby Metroid saved her life when she was fighting against Mother Brain. She was extremely weak and the baby sucked out most of Mother Brain's life force before proceeding to give it to Samus and heal her. Mother Brain then killed the Metroid and Samus managed to destroy her.

She has only been shown to have a single PTSD attack when she was fighting Ridley in Other M (In the games, at least. I haven't read the manga.) This also is the first time that fighting Ridley has affected her more than startling her for a few seconds.
 
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She totally locked down on pyrosphere. No other game has ever even remotely suggested Ridley triggers that in her. PTSD is a serious condition but it can be managed, and by all accounts Samus was managing it fine.

Granted, I think I've seen some people go through and prove other m ignores the prime games so whatever...

The only thing I can think of that would justify her reaction is that Ridley supposedly 100% died in SM. But then again he's come back from defeat before so while it may garner a reaction it certainly wouldn't be on the scale of an unrelated Nam flashback.
 
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The baby Metroid saved her life when she was fighting against Mother Brain. She was extremely weak and the baby sucked out most of Mother Brain's life force before proceeding to give it to Samus and heal her. Mother Brain then killed the Metroid and Samus managed to destroy her.
You know, the "baby" was an adult when it saves Samus mind you.
 

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She has only been shown to have a single PTSD attack when she was fighting Ridley in Other M (In the games, at least. I haven't read the manga.) This also is the first time that fighting Ridley has affected her more than startling her for a few seconds.
That isn't PTSD. That's a panic attack. PTSD is more long term and will stick with you more. Panic attacks are generally short term and only triggered by certain events, and even if the event were to happen again there is no guarantee that panic attack would happen again.

Say, can I remind everyone that knowing where this takes place in canon, she would've met Ridley about three times.
So how come it's only now she cracks? Explain that.
Given what Packack just said about the games and that the only attack she had was in Other M at the sight of Ridley. It's quite possible for to have had a panic attack at the 4th encounter. There is only a limited amount of logic in a panic attack the rest is illogical and can be triggered once by an event but not again by the same even happening again.


Grief this conversation is tiring. >_>
 

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You know, the "baby" was an adult when it saves Samus mind you.
Well, yeah, but that's an easy way to distinguish it from the other Metroids.

(For the record, I still think the attack was handled poorly, but I want to hear this guy's opinions since he seems more knowledgeable about PTSD than I.)

Given what Packack just said about the games and that the only attack she had was in Other M at the sight of Ridley. It's quite possible for to have had a panic attack at the 4th encounter. There is only a limited amount of logic in a panic attack the rest is illogical and can be triggered once by an event but not again by the same even happening again.
It's Pacack. Like Pac-Man with the ack sound repeated.

I do think this is interesting. Having had Panic/Anxiety attacks, I can say that I might have had a reaction given the situation as well, but I'm not sure how much sense it makes from a storytelling point of view. (They did not explain Samus' condition at all. She just kinda had an attack for what seemed like no reason.)
 
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Well, yeah, but that's an easy way to distinguish it from the other Metroids.
I think we're missing the point.
This means it took something out of context, it changed canon.
It doesn't just miss the point of the scene, it lies.
Why? So they can push this "mother" symbolism and a relationship that never really happened.
 

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I think we're missing the point.
This means it took something out of context, it changed canon.
It doesn't just miss the point of the scene, it lies.
Why? So they can push this "mother" symbolism and a relationship that never really happened.
Well, we never saw in detail how Samus reacted to the Metroid after having it do more than just follow her around (she wouldn't have had an attachment to it until it saved her life). She very well may have just been caught up in the action and not have had time to fully react to the Metroid's death until after everything was said and done.

I'm not saying it makes sense from a storytelling point of view, but it could happen at the very least.
 

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I think we're missing the point.
This means it took something out of context, it changed canon.
It doesn't just miss the point of the scene, it lies.
Why? So they can push this "mother" symbolism and a relationship that never really happened.
Code "Baby's Cry"
Bottle ship
The title being an anagram of mother
Treating the metroid like samus losing her child

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Yeah, that's pretty blatantly their angle.
 

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It's Pacack. Like Pac-Man with the ack sound repeated.
Didn't realize I spelled it wrong. Sorry.

I do think this is interesting. Having had Panic/Anxiety attacks, I can say that I might have had a reaction given the situation as well, but I'm not sure how much sense it makes from a storytelling point of view. (They did not explain Samus' condition at all. She just kinda had an attack for what seemed like no reason.)
It really just depends on the context. I'm not familiar with the Metroid games, and thus don't know the canon, so I don;t know how this scene played out and her past to judge the scene fully and see how it fits in the story, wasn't just there for dramatic effect.
 

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Well, we never saw in detail how Samus reacted to the Metroid after having it do more than just follow her around (she wouldn't have had an attachment to it until it saved her life). She very well may have just been caught up in the action and not have had time to fully react to the Metroid's death until after everything was said and done.
Oh yes we did.
Remember, actions speak louder than words. How do we know for sure it wasn't revenge?

And on top of that, I don't get what all this has to do with changing canon.
We very clearly see it's an adult, the baby Metroid grew up.

I'm not saying it makes sense from a storytelling point of view, but it could happen at the very least.
Granted it's a stupid reason, but a reason nonetheless.
 

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Didn't realize I spelled it wrong. Sorry.



It really just depends on the context. I'm not familiar with the Metroid games, and thus don't know the canon, so I don;t know how this scene played out and her past to judge the scene fully and see how it fits in the story, wasn't just there for dramatic effect.
I recommend you look at the scene itself at the very least to see what happens in it.

Oh yes we did.
Remember, actions speak louder than words. How do we know for sure it wasn't revenge?

And on top of that, I don't get what all this has to do with changing canon.
We very clearly see it's an adult, the baby Metroid grew up.
It could have been. But, if it was, then it would only reinforce that she had grown attached to it. The same contemplation on losing it would have happened either way.

And keep in mind that a mother will always see its child as its child. Regardless of that child's age. If Samus had developed a motherly connection to it, then that wouldn't have changed from the Metroid's growing up. (Though, it is a huuuuge stretch saying that Samus would develop a motherly bond for it in the first place.)
 

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It could have been. But, if it was, then it would only reinforce that she had grown attached to it. The same contemplation on losing it would have happened either way.
Not really.
Heck, she wasn't with it for most of the game. How could you be attached to something you've hardly even seen.

And keep in mind that a mother will always see its child as its child. Regardless of that child's age. If Samus had developed a motherly connection to it, then that wouldn't have changed from the Metroid's growing up. (Though, it is a huuuuge stretch saying that Samus would develop a motherly bond for it in the first place.)
Once again.
She never had a bond with it.
If anything, the last scene tells us she respects how it saved her life, not because of some mother + child relationship Other M tries to shove.
 

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Samus freaks out in Other M because she really thought she had seen the end of the Daleks Ridley in Super Metroid. For real this time!
 
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Not really.
Heck, she wasn't with it for most of the game. How could you be attached to something you've hardly even seen.


Once again.
She never had a bond with it.
If anything, the last scene tells us she respects how it saved her life, not because of some mother + child relationship Other M tries to shove.
I get what you're saying. With how little she interacted with it, she really shouldn't have gotten so attached. Applying the whole mother/child relationship is kinda forced.
 

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I love the character themes that were playing in the direct the zelda one is stuck in my head.
Personally, I'm super hyped for the RocketBarrel Theme from the DK games. That was easily the best new song in Returns for me.
 
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Ya thinks now's the time for an OBJECTION emoticon?
 
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And not my point. The quality of writing doesn't change this. Multiple Ridleys is a big deal. The original coming back is far easier for her to handle. She's been through that. Learning that even if he was finally beaten for good that they can just make more? That's a new ballpark.
Except, Other M established beforehand that clones were present on the ship, so really, she should've at least considered the matter that Ridley could be one of them.

I doubt she ever could truly get over it. And showing that more than one Ridley can exist puts an entirely new spin on things. Her being able to handle the original Ridley is understandable. But clones? Not so easy. You're still underestimating how much multiple copies can do in this situation. It's perfectly reasonable for her to be afraid when learning she could be facing more than one Ridley at a time.
Ironically, you ignored my point completely. The argument is there's an inconsistency in how it's portrayed. You say it's established, but the manga established it completely differently then how it's done in Other M. In the manga, it's supposed to be used in a method of character growth (yes I know that's not how it works in real life, but that's how the manga did it), but Other M tries to do it differently. So really, Other M is the only instance that tries to establish it in the way it's portrayed in that game.

Also, nothing suggested that she feared multiple Ridleys, at least not in the context of the story nor her freakout. She was just scared of the one in front of her and that's the best we get from it.

Which means it's imprinted into her for life. Since that's how the story actually goes, that it's something that'll stay with her forever. Regardless of whether it applies to real life or not, it's what it is for Metroid itself.
If we're going for realism, I'll just point to this:

Then it's unlikely should would have developed PSTD from that incident. Possible. But unlikely. Children under the age of 10 have much less of a chance of getting PTSD if they experience a traumatic event. But I dunno anything about the manga and barely anything about the games. So. Buttons.
Honestly, reading mimgrim's posts, I could see it more as a panic attack.
 
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Except, Other M established beforehand that clones were present on the ship, so really, she should've at least considered the matter that Ridley could be one of them.
That won't make her be unable to have a panic attack, you know. They're something that doesn't logically come up, they just happen. Welcome to how they work, they're random and irrational.

Ironically, you ignored my point completely. The argument is there's an inconsistency in how it's portrayed. You say it's established, but the manga established it completely differently then how it's done in Other M. In the manga, it's supposed to be used in a method of character growth (yes I know that's not how it works in real life, but that's how the manga did it), but Other M tries to do it differently. So really, Other M is the only instance that tries to establish it in the way it's portrayed in that game.
Big deal. Tons of games are inconsistent. Shadow the Hedgehog has inconsistencies with Sonic Adventure 2's story. Still part of the actual main storyline regardless. Mistakes happen.

Also, nothing suggested that she feared multiple Ridleys, at least not in the context of the story nor her freakout. She was just scared of the one in front of her and that's the best we get from it.
Then they should've make it more obvious what the case was. I didn't say it was written perfectly. Cause that's unreasonable to say. I never thought that. I agree that it has problems. I'm more concerned with other stuff anyway.

If we're going for realism, I'll just point to this
I, notably, was not. I am saying that these things are fairly irrational anyway. I know panic attacks happen, and you can't control them. That's just how it is. However, in the context of the story? It can be different from real life, and that's okay too. Whether you like how it was portrayed or not, it can be portrayed that way.

Anyway, I'm honestly done with this conversation. Had a somewhat rough dinner due to my false teeth, so I need a break right now. Sorry. Please don't make me try to continue.
 
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