Social Smash 4 Social Topic 2.0

[Aurane]

Samus is a strong independent bounty hunter who don't need no man.

Yeah, that's until she met Ridley in Other M. She then found herself becoming the little school girl she always wanted to be. Just really late though. I mean how many times has she met Ridley pre Other M?

Is Other M canon?

Is that space firby canon..?

._.

 

[DraginHikari]

The argument I believe extends that because Samus behavior outside of other M, some dialogue in Fusion, and not blasting the baby metroid in the 2nd game Samus has portrayed with the kind of stone cold ice queen persona which is often viewed as the opposite extreme to a character like say Peach. It's kind of similar of how I've heard Final Fantasy 13 Lightning described. It's basically the idea that the characters are so far removed from their femininity that they are not particular strong female character more so then a masculine personality in a female body.

I don't particularly agree with this sentiment but I think that's where it's mostly coming from.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Well, there appears to be a Tier List for J-Stars Victory VS that the Gamefaqs community had bad a few weeks after launch:

God Tier:
Vegeta
Saiki

S Tier:
Luffy
Bobobo
Aizen

A Tier:
Kenshin
Ryotsu
Toriko
Zebra
Yusuke
Hiei
Killua
Akainu
Sasuke
Luckyman

B Tier:
Tsuna
Shishio
Ichigo
Momotaro
Gintoki
Madara
Kenshiro
Gon
Seiya
Oga
Goku
Hancock
Ace
Nube

C Tier:
Korosensei
Jonathan
Medaka
Joseph
Naruto
Taro

Low Tier:
Frieza
Toguro
Arale
Raoh

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

I find it interesting how the Greninja trailer surpassed the Little Mac and Rosalina trailers (with views) in less than a week. Pokémon surely is a big thing.

There were 8 Pokemon scheduled for Brawl.

Yes, 8. Which would have brought them to take up nearly 1/4th of the cast.

Who seriously plays like that though?

Anyone that wants to win and not lose? You've already admitted to being casual and not caring about walk-offs, so I wouldn't expect you to see this a lot anyway. In any context though, to win a time match all you have to do is get ahead in points and then run out the timer. Stock matches are less degenerate this way because they don't provide that incentive, although almost every tournament turns on the game timer to prevent the tournament from running for much longer than it should.

 

[Latias]

There were 8 Pokemon scheduled for Brawl.

Yes, 8. Which would have brought them to take up nearly 1/4th of the cast.



Anyone that wants to win and not lose? You've already admitted to being casual and not caring about walk-offs, so I wouldn't expect you to see this a lot anyway. In any context though, to win a time match all you have to do is get ahead in points and then run out the timer. Stock matches are less degenerate this way because they don't provide that incentive, although almost every tournament turns on the game timer to prevent the tournament from running for much longer than it should.

How do stock matches not provide that incentive? If you have the % lead on the same stock you win. You also don't have to approach if you have a stock lead either.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Probably for the best. It's sort of stupid.

 

[Kenith]

Well, there appears to be a Tier List for J-Stars Victory VS that the Gamefaqs community had bad a few weeks after launch:

God Tier:
Vegeta
Saiki

S Tier:
Luffy
Bobobo
Aizen

A Tier:
Kenshin
Ryotsu
Toriko
Zebra
Yusuke
Hiei
Killua
Akainu
Sasuke
Luckyman

B Tier:
Tsuna
Shishio
Ichigo
Momotaro
Gintoki
Madara
Kenshiro
Gon
Seiya
Oga
Goku
Hancock
Ace
Nube

C Tier:
Korosensei
Jonathan
Medaka
Joseph
Naruto
Taro

Low Tier:
Frieza
Toguro
Arale
Raoh

I don't care about this game, I think at first glance it has a terrible cast full of nobodies, but hell yeah Vegeta is god tier.
Dayum straight.

 

[mimgrim]

How do stock matches not provide that incentive? If you have the % lead on the same stock you win. You also don't have to approach if you have a stock lead either.

Re-read his post.

A stock match without a timer is suppose to not make it as degenerative. However most tournaments add a time so as to not have matches running longer then they should, which means it doesn't stop the incentive as much.

 

[Kenith]

The argument I believe extends that because Samus behavior outside of other M, some dialogue in Fusion, and not blasting the baby metroid in the 2nd game Samus has portrayed with the kind of stone cold ice queen persona which is often viewed as the opposite extreme to a character like say Peach. It's kind of similar of how I've heard Final Fantasy 13 Lightning described. It's basically the idea that the characters are so far removed from their femininity that they are not particular strong female character more so then a masculine personality in a female body.

I don't particularly agree with this sentiment but I think that's where it's mostly coming from.

I understand what he means, but you're right, it's a silly argument.

The thing is, Metroid really isn't about Samus. It's about the player. It's about the gameplay. Story isn't that important. You can't give a complex personality to someone you control like that.
Do you think, that if Link were a complex character at all, that he would ever have incentive to leave his house?

That's Other M's biggest downfall. It isn't sexist by itself; yes, any realistic person would have a breakdown after seeing Ridley come back so many times. But they tried to add that dynamic to a character who's "personality", or intentional lack thereof, and it came off as making a strong character...weak.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I don't care about this game, I think at first glance it has a terrible cast full of nobodies, but hell yeah Vegeta is god tier.
Dayum straight.

He is the most broken character in the game after all because of that damn Ki Volley and Big Bang Attack.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

I stopped reading that article when the author put Princess Zelda in the same boat as Peach, casually disregarding Zelda's roles as a pirate, Sheik, political prisoner, vagabond, and avatar.

How do stock matches not provide that incentive? If you have the % lead on the same stock you win. You also don't have to approach if you have a stock lead either.

How exactly would stock matches provide that incentive? There's no timer unless you're a TO that calls time on a game that's lasting too long, which has been archaic for a while now. Stock/Timer match it might, but it would really come down the game mechs and particular match-up that decide how cat-and-mouse the match becomes.

 

[Kenith]

He is the most broken character in the game after all because of that damn Ki Volley and Big Bang Attack.

Well, if I get that game (even though it's currently Japan only) I know who I'm maining

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I understand what he means, but you're right, it's a silly argument.

The thing is, Metroid really isn't about Samus. It's about the player. It's about the gameplay. Story isn't that important. You can't give a complex personality to someone you control like that.
Do you think, that if Link were a complex character at all, that he would ever have incentive to leave his house?

That's Other M's biggest downfall. It isn't sexist by itself; yes, any realistic person would have a breakdown after seeing Ridley come back so many times. But they tried to add that dynamic to a character who's "personality", or intentional lack thereof, and it came off as making a strong character...weak.

I don't think a realistic person would have broken down after seeing Ridley come back so many times.

A realistic person would have broken down after fighting Ridley the first time

Then after being revived so many damn times would be used to it

Up to this point, Samus ALREADY had her breaking down moment and got over it, becoming a stronger character. She didn't need to do that twice

 

[Kenith]

I don't think a realistic person would have broken down after seeing Ridley come back so many times.

A realistic person would have broken down after fighting Ridley the first time

Then after being revived so many damn times would be used to it

Up to this point, Samus ALREADY had her breaking down moment and got over it, becoming a stronger character. She didn't need to do that twice

Well, yeah, but I'm factoring in the PTSD from "the baby" as well.

Ugh...why did they let Team Ninja make that game...

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Well, if I get that game (even though it's currently Japan only) I know who I'm maining

I main Saiki Kusuo, who's almost as broken as him. The impregnable rock "shield" combined with his teleportation (which works on his foes or himself) and his ridiculously broken combo makes him a monster in the battle field

It makes me wish the scanlators for his manga (Saiki Kusuo no Sainan) can hurry up with the translations so that I can see the origin of these attacks.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well, yeah, but I'm factoring in the PTSD from "the baby" as well.

Ugh...why did they let Team Ninja make that game...

When the baby followed her after being hatched, she gave it to scientists who performed horrible genetic experiments on it, using it's DNA to create ...stuff such as the vaccine.

She didn't seem to care about it much then

 

[Kenith]

When the baby followed her after being hatched, she gave it to scientists who performed horrible genetic experiments on it, using it's DNA to create ...stuff such as the vaccine.

She didn't seem to care about it much then

Keep in mind, I don't know too much about Metroid, but even then, that loophole sounds more like Other M's mistake, not mine.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I really don't hate feminists. But with that said, I think they are pushing the wrong ideals.

Rather then trying to show that males and females are equal, they instead are trying to push for every girl to be some mary sue perfection.

I mean, look at how many times they complain about "Ditzies", "Damsels", and "Sexualized," girls. I mean, I'm all for having stronger female characters, but, why do we have to get rid of all the "weak" ones?

Some girls don't want to save the world, or focus on kicking everyone ass. Some girls just want to have fun. Be playful. Are you also trying to tell me that every girl knows how/has the ability to escape a kidnapping?

Why do we have to get rid of all these different types of people? Because they make 'em look bad? Well tough luck. These kind of girls exist in the real world as well. You can't just erase them.

Also, looking at Zero Suit heels discussion, the argument seems to be that since Samus is some sort of superhuman, she doesn't need the heels. However, she is a living being, she has limits. The heels allow her to past those limits that she once had.

It really just seems that the feminists just want a quick and strong way to show the world that they are equal to men. I can't really blame them for wanting that, but this is just bad.

 

[Jaedrik]

Samus is a strong woman, she displays compassion and readiness to action.
If looks matter, then wouldn't one want a woman to look more womanly or a man to look more manly?
If looks do not matter, or if one maintains that there is no such thing as masculinity or femininity, then it doesn't matter what any of them look like in the first place.
Those who deny that man and woman are different is in blatant disregard of sexual dimorphism. Just as well, those who deny that man and woman are equal does not think of the dignity that is afforded in their basic humanity.
It is possible to be different physically, mentally, intellectually, socially, and still be equal as moral beings.

 

[YoshiSonic]

Dark Pit's Theme from Kid Icarus: Uprising.

It plays in the actual Direct for the 3DS stages, too.

I think so, anyway. Could you specify which part, because I may be wrong.

Starts at 1:22

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Starts at 1:22

OH, that one. That's an arrangement of Skyward Sword's Ballad of the Goddess.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I have some bad news: Greninja x Yoshi is a thing.

 

[Aurane]

I'm planning on creating a Lucario combo video once Smash Bros Wii U comes out, backed by this song:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NaTczMdN8mY

I have some bad news: Greninja x Yoshi is a thing.

No surprise there. They're the tongue fetish idols to furries.

 

[mimgrim]

I don't dislike high heels because of how they "portray" women or some stupid **** like that. I just dislike high heels because I think they look stupid, aesthetically.

It really is just that simple for me. xD

 

[Silvera]

I have some bad news: Greninja x Yoshi is a thing.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Just see it for yourself on Pixiv and remove the safe search. Many pics involved them "french kissing" or mating. I bet the yaoi fangirls have something to do with this, if they come in the furry variety.

 

[MSmariosonic]

It's funny because men wore high heels before women. In medievel Europe to be exact.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Good lord, I've found Yoshi and Greninja's offspring.

 

[MSmariosonic]

 

[Aurane]

Good lord, I've found Yoshi and Greninja's offspring.

Greshi? Yoninja? GRENOSHIYOINJA???

....

...Bob..?

 

[Sehnsucht]

Greshi? Yoninja? GRENOSHIYOINJA???

....

...Bob..?

Shinoshi.

 

[Silvera]

Greshi? Yoninja? GRENOSHIYOINJA???

....

...Bob..?

Yoshinja

 

[MSmariosonic]

Greshi? Yoninja? GRENOSHIYOINJA???

....

...Bob..?

Sanic

 

[warionumbah2]

yall seriously talking about two cartoons being a couple....ahahahah the internet is a sad place.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Well, yeah, but I'm factoring in the PTSD from "the baby" as well.

Ugh...why did they let Team Ninja make that game...

Don't blame Team Ninja. Sakamoto is the one who wrote the story. TN just did the gameplay (which was solid, authorization mechanic aside).

 

[Pyra]

yall seriously talking about two cartoons being a couple....ahahahah the internet is a sad place.

You say that like you didn't already know it happens a lot.

Let's find something more pointless to argue about than Zamus's design change.
Honestly, she gets jet boots and suddenly people get a broom up their ass about her whole design.

I personally just ignore those people.

 

[MSmariosonic]

yall seriously talking about two cartoons being a couple....ahahahah the internet is a sad place.

What? You haven't seen a reptile and an amphibian making out?

 

[Arcanir]

GreninjaxYoshi? Pft, YoshixBirdo man, Greninja don't need no reptile and we all know Yoshi digs the red bow.

 

[Saito]

I bet it's called tongue shipping.

And it's pixiv. I'd expect nothing less.

I think the better question is....

I have some bad news: Greninja x Yoshi is a thing.

Why are you on there with safe search off?

 

[Starcutter]

Greshi? Yoninja? GRENOSHIYOINJA???

....

...Bob..?

Dankey Kang