Social Smash 4 Social Topic 2.0

[Robert of Normandy]

Dankey Kang

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Not to completely change the course of the topic, but today's my 19th Birthday, and I got two new games, Super Mario 3D World and Sonic Colors. Anyone think they'll have any mentioning in Smash4?

Happy Birthday.

@Enderman_Aura: Other M is supposedly to take place before most(if not all) other Metroid games. Samus has had no time to get over Ridley and their past. So it makes sense in that regard.

 

[8-peacock-8]

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

Happy Birthday.

@Enderman_Aura: Other M is supposedly to take place before most(if not all) other Metroid games. Samus has had no time to get over Ridley and their past. So it makes sense in that regard.

hyperfalcon U TROLLIN'

 

[kylexv]

Going to see what this has to offer.
EDIT: Here comes the "Characters in the Clouds" thing again.
Goroh? Captain Falcon confirmed.
Polar Bears? Ice Climbers confirmed.
Etc,etc.

EDIT: Ness on Earth Day? Lucas on Mother's Day? I see what you did there.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Pac-Man in the clouds!

Classic Pac attached to Cloud Strife's body confirmed!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

hyperfalcon U TROLLIN'

Nope. Other M is supposed to be a very early game. Supposedly canon, but eh. That's when it takes place, so of course Samus isn't nearly as hardened as she is in later games chronologically.

Makes sense to me. Now, the other sexist stuff in it, that's a different situation.

Spoiler

Keep in mind Ridley killed her parents in canon. Albeit, it's from the official Manga. She's not going to get over that super easily, after all. Or any time soon. Realistically.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

Nope. Other M is supposed to be a very early game. Supposedly canon, but eh. That's when it takes place, so of course Samus isn't nearly as hardened as she is in later games chronologically.

Makes sense to me. Now, the other sexist stuff in it, that's a different situation.

Spoiler

Keep in mind Ridley killed her parents in canon. Albeit, it's from the official Manga. She's not going to get over that super easily, after all. Or any time soon. Realistically.

Hyper plz

Other M takes place after Super Metroid

 

[Arcanir]

Nope. Other M is supposed to be a very early game. Supposedly canon, but eh. That's when it takes place, so of course Samus isn't nearly as hardened as she is in later games chronologically.

Makes sense to me. Now, the other sexist stuff in it, that's a different situation.

Spoiler

Keep in mind Ridley killed her parents in canon. Albeit, it's from the official Manga. She's not going to get over that super easily, after all. Or any time soon. Realistically.

Other M takes place after Super Metroid, that's why the Mother Brain fight was shown at the beginning of it and the Baby Metroid is an important plot point. So really, Samus would've endured the Phazon crisis, destroyed Zebes and wiped out the Metroids before Other M happened.

Spoiler

Also, the thing with the manga is that it had her conquer her fear and grow from it. Granted, it's a trauma that could resurface, but every other Metroid game hasn't referred to it at all despite cutscenes and having 3D available to portray it, and PTSD wouldn't be selective like that. Either way, the way Other M does it is pretty poor as they don't explain why she's freaking out nor have her grow from it, so it's not a well done scene at all.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

Yeah. It was intended to bridge SM and Fusion. That's after all the prime games.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Hyper plz

Other M takes place after Super Metroid

And still before most games. I covered that entirely when I said "before most".

Other M takes place after Super Metroid, that's why the Mother Brain fight was shown at the beginning of it and the Baby Metroid is an important plot point. So really, Samus would've endured the Phazon crisis, destroyed Zebes and wiped out the Metroids before Other M happened.

Spoiler

Also, the thing with the manga is that it had her conquer her fear and grow from it. Granted, it's a trauma that could resurface, but every other Metroid game hasn't referred to it at all despite cutscenes and having 3D available to portray it, and PTSD wouldn't be selective like that. Either way, the way Other M does it is pretty poor as they don't explain why she's freaking out nor have her grow from it, so it's not a well done scene at all.

Still doesn't erase the PTSD, which is my point. That's not very easy to get rid of, and for some, won't ever leave.

I'm not saying it was done "well" by any means, but its existence is pretty natural, that's all.

 

[Starphoenix]

Please tell me they DID NOT start talking about faces in the clouds... My word, there really is a Super Smash Bros cycle. And we must be in the apophenia phase.

 

[kylexv]

Please tell me they DID NOT start talking about faces in the clouds... My word, there really is a Super Smash Bros cycle.

They didn't talk about the Brawl ones. They said a comment said that Pac-Man was spotted in the clouds in the Greninja Trailer.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I disagree with them on the chances of ROB, Ike, Mewtwo and Snake. Other than that, the "Pac-man in the clouds" thing was quite dumb and I hope they weren't serious.

 

[8-peacock-8]

THE CLOUDS! THE CLOUDS!

 

[kylexv]

THE CLOUDS! THE CLOUDS!

Clouds.
CLOUDS.
CLOUDS EVERYWHERE.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I disagree with them on the chances of ROB, Ike, Mewtwo and Snake. Other than that, the "Pac-man in the clouds" thing was quite dumb and I hope they weren't serious.

I doubt they're serious sicne they even admit that it was a "HUUUUUUUUGE" stretch.

Clouds.
CLOUDS.
CLOUDS EVERYWHERE.

CLOUD STRIFE IS IN THE GRASS!

 

[Arcanir]

And still before most games. I covered that entirely when I said "before most".


Still doesn't erase the PTSD, which is my point. That's not very easy to get rid of, and for some, won't ever leave.

I'm not saying it was done "well" by any means, but its existence is pretty natural, that's all.

One game is not most, the only game that takes place after Other M is Fusion.

PTSD is a double-edged sword in writing, it doesn't go away, but it's not something you can write in on a whim either. It's a permanent condition, and as such, would probably pop up at other points in time, but it's never referred to outside of an obscure manga that most people haven't even had the chance to read. On top of that, the manga makes it a point of character growth, she fears Ridley, but she learns to deal with it and still manages to defeat him. Other M in a way goes back on that as she freaks out again and doesn't have her relearn from that mistake, so it's more a step back for the character.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

One game is not most, the only game that takes place after Other M is Fusion.

PTSD is a double-edged sword in writing, it doesn't go away, but it's not something you can write in on a whim either. It's a permanent condition, and as such, would probably pop up at other points in time, but it's never referred to outside of an obscure manga that most people haven't even had the chance to read. On top of that, the manga makes it a point of character growth, she fears Ridley, but she learns to deal with it and still manages to defeat him. Other M in a way goes back on that as she freaks out again and doesn't have her relearn from that mistake, so it's more a step back for the character.

Fair enough.

I disagree on the PSTD thing. And the Manga is official. It doesn't matter if some has seen it or not, still official. She's not going to fully get over that regardless. Especially when more than one Ridley can exist, which makes it far worse than dealing with the same person over and over again. How many more can exist, she could get bombarded by Ridleys. That's something nobody could handle, if it's basically the murderer of her parents. And seeing multiples of them? That'll drive anyone mad. Again, be realistic here; If you think she could handle knowing more than one Ridley can exist, fake or not, you don't really understand just how horrible PTSD can be. It's not to be underestimated.

Quality of writing is not the same case, which I'm not even referring to.

 

[mimgrim]

@ The Other M talk and talk of Samus' PSTD attack. Now I'm not very familiar with the Metroid games and how they work. But from what I know about PTSD, it triggers at an unexpected time and not when people think it actually would. For lack of a better reference I'm going to use the Hunger Games as an example. Katniss had PTSD after the first Hunger Game, unquestioningly and understandably, and her attacks came during when she was asleep most of the time but they never really happened, from what I can recall anyway, when she was in an actual conflict, the closest thing I can remember happening that made her freak out in a similar way to PTSD is the Jabberjays, but that is a completely different situation, the attacks always happened in between the conflicts but never during. Now this might not apply to all people, but I would imagine that the rush of conflict and the fight for survival would override the attack of PTSD for most. Now I'm not sure exactly what the situation is when Samus experience this attacks but if it is during conflict that makes it rather unbelievable, imo, then it happening not during conflict.

Just my 2 cents.

EDIT - How old was Samus when her parents were killed? Depending on her age it is much less likely she would have developed PTSD over that experience.

 

[kylexv]

LOL.
They said they wanted Captain N and Stunt Racer. They'll never get in.
(As I say this, they might appear in a future SSB game)

 

[8-peacock-8]

So someone in the comments GameXplain video i just posted thinks Villager will replace MG&W because they use random stuff for their movesets.

These comments are pleasant.

 

[Pacack]

I disagree with a lot of stuff that GameXplain's video had, but they aren't idiots, guys. They're just stating their opinions.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I disagree with a lot of stuff that GameXplain's video had, but they aren't idiots, guys. They're just stating their opinions.

Better then GamesRadar guys who actually outright stated that their opinions are facts. Multiple times.

 

[Muster]

They didn't talk about the Brawl ones. They said a comment said that Pac-Man was spotted in the clouds in the Greninja Trailer.

He's not referring to brawl clouds in particular. He's referring to history repeating itself with crackpot cloud spotting that happened in brawl days.

(still better than the idiots at gametrailers)

 

[8-peacock-8]

He's not referring to brawl clouds in particular. He's referring to history repeating itself with crackpot cloud spotting that happened in brawl days.

(still better than the idiots at gametrailers)

Glad that the GameXplain guys even laughed about the cloud thing.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I'm glad I have enough money for both Triple Deluxe and Smash 4 for 3ds.

Also, changed my avatar to Edea.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

IWhy are you on there with safe search off?

I always have safe search off a few a few good reasons:

A) To see how ****ed up Japan truly is

B) To see the poor fictional saps involved in Rule 34/Yaoi/Yuri

c) To see whether a certain fanbase has Rule 34 or not

For example, every Weekly Shonen Jump manga has Rule 34 (including obscure ones like Chinyuki and Pyu to Fuku! Jaguar). This is Japan after all.

 

[mimgrim]

I always have safe search off a few a few good reasons:

A) To see how ****ed up Japan truly is

B) To see the poor fictional saps involved in Rule 34/Yaoi/Yuri

c) To see whether a certain fanbase has Rule 34 or not

For example, every Weekly Shonen Jump manga has Rule 34 (including obscure ones like Chinyuki and Pyu to Fuku! Jaguar). This is Japan after all.

D) You actually like it

 

[Arcanir]

Fair enough.

I disagree on the PSTD thing. And the Manga is official. It doesn't matter if some has seen it or not, still official. She's not going to fully get over that regardless. Especially when more than one Ridley can exist, which makes it far worse than dealing with the same person over and over again. How many more can exist, she could get bombarded by Ridleys. That's something nobody could handle, if it's basically the murderer of her parents. And seeing multiples of them? That'll drive anyone mad. Again, be realistic here; If you think she could handle knowing more than one Ridley can exist, fake or not, you don't really understand just how horrible PTSD can be. It's not to be underestimated.

Quality of writing is not the same case, which I'm not even referring to.

If the quality of writing negatively hinders the portrayal of a character and an important trait of theirs, then yes it does matter. If something or someone is portrayed poorly, then it's not going to come across well to the viewer, that's a fact of a visual or written medium and it does matter in how someone perceives those events.

Regardless, I know it's not something you can grow out of (which makes me wonder if it's actually a panic attack), but that is how the manga portrayed it. It wanted the character to grow, and thus it had her conquer her PTSD. That sets up a disconnect between the writing of Other M and the manga, not one between it and the true realistic portrayal of the condition. If we're going to accept the manga as canon, then there also must be an acceptance that there's an inconsistency between it and Other M in how it's handled.

EDIT - How old was Samus when her parents were killed? Depending on her age it is much less likely she would have developed PTSD over that experience.

She was 3 at the time.

 

[Substitution]

So, why are we talking about Other M?

 

[mimgrim]

She was 3 at the time.

Then it's unlikely should would have developed PSTD from that incident. Possible. But unlikely. Children under the age of 10 have much less of a chance of getting PTSD if they experience a traumatic event. But I dunno anything about the manga and barely anything about the games. So. Buttons.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If the quality of writing negatively hinders the portrayal of a character and an important trait of theirs, then yes it does matter. If something or someone is portrayed poorly, then it's not going to come across well to the viewer, that's a fact of a visual or written medium and it does matter in how someone perceives those events.

And not my point. The quality of writing doesn't change this. Multiple Ridleys is a big deal. The original coming back is far easier for her to handle. She's been through that. Learning that even if he was finally beaten for good that they can just make more? That's a new ballpark.

Regardless, I know it's not something you can grow out of (which makes me wonder if it's actually a panic attack), but that is how the manga portrayed it. It wanted the character to grow, and thus it had her conquer her PTSD. That sets up a disconnect between the writing of Other M and the manga, not one between it and the true realistic portrayal of the condition. If we're going to accept the manga as canon, then there also must be an acceptance that there's an inconsistency between it and Other M in how it's handled.

I doubt she ever could truly get over it. And showing that more than one Ridley can exist puts an entirely new spin on things. Her being able to handle the original Ridley is understandable. But clones? Not so easy. You're still underestimating how much multiple copies can do in this situation. It's perfectly reasonable for her to be afraid when learning she could be facing more than one Ridley at a time.

She was 3 at the time.

Which means it's imprinted into her for life. Since that's how the story actually goes, that it's something that'll stay with her forever. Regardless of whether it applies to real life or not, it's what it is for Metroid itself.

 

[Substitution]

So. Buttons.

What about 'em?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

D) You actually like it

It depends if it doesn't involve tentacles, over the top, disproportionate, contains furries, is yaoi/bara, is guro, or

Spoiler

****

IF they contain any of the above, they could cause more squick than pleasure. *shudders*

 

[Spazzy_D]

I need to get out of that rumors and leak thread and never go back. What's up over here?

 

[mimgrim]

What about 'em?

Well. I know there is a curious case of Benjamin Button.

 

[Pacack]

Then it's unlikely should would have developed PSTD from that incident. Possible. But unlikely. Children under the age of 10 have much less of a chance of getting PTSD if they experience a traumatic event. But I dunno anything about the manga and barely anything about the games. So. Buttons.

It is canonical that she does have PTSD, though. However illogical it may be.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I need to get out of that rumors and leak thread and never go back. What's up over here?

The same **** about "Too many Mario/Pokemon reps" and "The Sal leak is legit y'all!".

 

[Substitution]

Well. I know there is a curious case of Benjamin Button.

Just how curious is he?