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[DraginHikari]

I wonder what happened.

I think it's just the backlash that comes from something like Project M where the fanbase is able to patch things out entirely at will. Where in a standard release game even though some patches are done, alot of review is done to determine if the action they are patching is actually worth patching or what kind of impact it will have or at least told how often such content can be alterated. In the case of Project M where all the balancing and stucture is determined strictly by the ones doing the modding that it pretty much means that whenever something develops, it can be patched out instead of having the fanbase adapt to the situation since the oversight is minimal.

That's mostly what I took from the post. Since I don't follow Project M or pay alot of attention to M2K I can only make this assumption.

 

[Knight Dude]

was this shared already?

Do we know if Robin's Up+B will act differently when on the ground? Or will they just fly up like they would in the air? I can kind of see a ground version where they shoot straight upwards.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

This is why I'm not touching Project M until it's finished.

That's silly.

The game can never be finished if people aren't playing it.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Fatmanonice]

Damn, none of my units married anyone and I'm nearing the end of the game.

It's significantly easier to pair people up in this game than it was in the past.

Step one: pair up a boy and girl at the beginning of the chapter.
Step two: do a buttload of side quests.

If you do this, they'll probably be in S rank after 7 or 8 battles.

My final team from when I did my playthrough back in January:

Avatar-Miriel
Chrom-Sumia
Lon'qu- Panne
Henry-Lissa
Inigo-Morgan
Kellam-Cordelia
Laurent-Lucina
Donnel-Olivia

Some of these pairings were stupidly good. Hero Donnel + Swordmaster Olivia = borderline unstoppable.

 

[Will]

I see quite a few Genie avatars... What's up with that?

Didn't you hear? It's the year of @GoldenYuiitusin !

Smooth Criminal

I can bet you are a Smooth Criminal with that avatar ifyouknowwhatI'msaying.

 

[mimgrim]

M2K is hating on Project M http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2bhmih/project_m_stuff/

M2K is well known for his johns. And while I feel like he brought up some valid points other points are just total johns, point 3 being the prime example.

Take everything M2K says with a grain of salt lol.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

The thing about Donnel is that, while he is the fastest growing character in the game, he also has the lowest final stats of any character. (I think). That means if you want to take on the higher challenges of the game, it's probably best to not use him.

As for the project M hate, from going around for the past week and looking stuff up, the reasons there are people who hate Project M are as follow:

1. Gimmicks

2. Ridiculous Recovery

3. Everyone is broken

4. Fear of nerfs.

 

[SlickWylde]

M2K was NOT hating on Project M. He started out by saying he liked it. Sounded more like he was frustrated with the players, and the constant patches and nerfs that were happening because of them. I think I've liked PM less and less as it has gotten more patches.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

The third Madoka movie.... gewd stuff

Yes, yes. Rebellion was pretty good I don't care what anyone else says...besides the ending leaving the desire for a sequel, but still pretty good.

Also.

Kyoko best magical girl. <3

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

M2K is hating on Project M http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2bhmih/project_m_stuff/

Yeah, no he is not. Funnily enough he starts off with "can you stop making threads when you guys don't know what you're talking about or quoting things out of context?

 

[Knight Dude]

So this is what the Red Hood will look like in Batman Arkham Knight.

 

[Fatmanonice]

M2K was NOT hating on Project M. He started out by saying he liked it. Sounded more like he was frustrated with the players, and the constant patches and nerfs that were happening because of them. I think I've liked PM less and less as it has gotten more patches.

This. There seems to be a lot of bias when it comes to the "balancing" of this game and I've heard a lot of players complain about it in the last year. It's kind of ironic given how much flak Sakurai was given about Brawl and a lot of the developers are coming to the realization that balancing a game isn't as simple and obvious as it was initially imagined to be.

 

[TewnLeenk]

Just listened to the whole Twilight Symphony from Zelda: Twilight Princess while I was working today. Dang that's some good stuff.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Well, ****! New info on Hyrule Warriors came up that's breaking my dreams in a million pieces (in spoilers due to plot spoilers)

Spoiler

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/s...-what-zelda-games-involved-in-hy#.U8_t0m5prQ-
Story involve the opening of 3 dimensions: Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, & Skyward Sword.

Really? Only THREE ****ING GAMES? That's only 17% of the main series Zelda games there. They're all good games but they don't deserve to hog the entire damn spotlot.

GGRRRRRRRRRR!!!

 

[Morbi]

M2K is well known for his johns. And while I feel like he brought up some valid points other points are just total johns, point 3 being the prime example.

Take everything M2K says with a grain of salt lol.

I honestly agree with "point 3" as match-up unfamiliarity is certainly prevalent in Project M, especially if you are a predominately Melee or Brawl player. Albeit, he did insinuate that it was a much greater influence than it actually is. The core principle of the argument seems plausible to me though, if we ignore his bias.

 

[DraginHikari]

There is a number of issues that come with depending on the player base to balance the game, as there are a number of factor about balance which cannot be taken into account by those playing the game and the prespective the game is coming from. Project M takes from my view a more straight forward approach by approaching the balance from one particular aspect being the 1v1 format of competitive play rather then the multi-tier style of balancing that Sakurai and his team generally have to work within resulting in the differences that character can perform in 1v1 and FFA style of play.

Project M limits the other factors like stage hazards and simplifed most of the stages to simplify the effort required to balance a game with so many characters and them not having a full development team to address all the problems that come with balance a game that has multiple types of play and focusing specifically on what they wanted to accomplish. For the most part even if I have no interest in Project M they have mostly accomplished what they set out to do. But they are also subject to the same possible bias and are probably more easily effected by the opinions of the community when a large number of people complain about an aspect they may or may not like at any given situation and are probably more swayed then Sakurai's team in regards to approaching that balance. Which create a new type of balancing problems for a small team to keep up with.

There are great benefits to being able to change and patch a game. There is however a very real risk of overpatching in game as well.

 

[Morbi]

Well, ****! New info on Hyrule Warriors came up that's breaking my dreams in a million pieces (in spoilers due to plot spoilers)

Spoiler

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/s...-what-zelda-games-involved-in-hy#.U8_t0m5prQ-
Story involve the opening of 3 dimensions: Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, & Skyward Sword.

Really? Only THREE ****ING GAMES? That's only 17% of the main series Zelda games there. They're all good games but they don't deserve to hog the entire damn spotlot.

GGRRRRRRRRRR!!!

I do not understand, is Ruto a playable character? More importantly, where is Sariah?!

Spoiler

... Nabooru confirmed!

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

I do not understand, is Ruto a playable character? More importantly, where is Sariah?!

Spoiler

... Nabooru confirmed!

Ruto does indeed seem to be a playable character.

 

[κomıc]

It's significantly easier to pair people up in this game than it was in the past.

Step one: pair up a boy and girl at the beginning of the chapter.
Step two: do a buttload of side quests.

If you do this, they'll probably be in S rank after 7 or 8 battles.

My final team from when I did my playthrough back in January:

Avatar-Miriel
Chrom-Sumia
Lon'qu- Panne
Henry-Lissa
Inigo-Morgan
Kellam-Cordelia
Laurent-Lucina
Donnel-Olivia

Some of these pairings were stupidly good. Hero Donnel + Swordmaster Olivia = borderline unstoppable.

Oh, I'll take note of this then. I don't often pair up or anything and haven't really looked into how everything works and I've had this game for a year now.

 

[Morbi]

Ruto does indeed seem to be a playable character.

This is a dream come true, I am not even sure what I should say... actually I can think of something, while Team NINJA is adding all of my favorite characters, please add: Hena, Telma, and Ashei from Twilight Princess. Sariah, and Nabooru from Ocarina of Time. Lastly: Karane, Peatrice, and Batreaux (he is not a female character, but he is too good to pass up) from Skyward Sword.

 

[Substitution]

Well, ****! New info on Hyrule Warriors came up that's breaking my dreams in a million pieces (in spoilers due to plot spoilers)

Spoiler

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/s...-what-zelda-games-involved-in-hy#.U8_t0m5prQ-
Story involve the opening of 3 dimensions: Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, & Skyward Sword.

Really? Only THREE ****ING GAMES? That's only 17% of the main series Zelda games there. They're all good games but they don't deserve to hog the entire damn spotlot.

GGRRRRRRRRRR!!!

Don't fret!
They'll have Zelda-CDI DLC soon!

 

[Knight Dude]

Toon Link should be a secret character. Give him Akuma's raging demon for extra effect. I mean, sure, there's only three games getting crossed over, but it'd be hype.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

M2K is well known for his johns. And while I feel like he brought up some valid points other points are just total johns, point 3 being the prime example.

Take everything M2K says with a grain of salt lol.

Yes, this is the same guy who asks people to watch his replays and give him advice on how to play even though he plays at a higher level than 99% of his followers and knows how things like the trajectory angle of one move could change the dynamic of a whole match-up. Like, this guy knows more engine and property data than just about anyone on top of that.

 

[Zhadgon]

So Project M is transforming in to LoL, according to M2K.

.n_n.

 

[Substitution]

Just curious, how is LoL?

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

Just curious, how is LoL?

Terminal, hopefully. It took me too long to realize how intrinsically bad LoL is as a game. There are a couple of champions from it that I think would make very interesting Smash Bros. characters, such as Wukong and Annie.

Did they ever make a joint ad with Game of Thrones or have I been bamboozled?

 

[FalKoopa]

Well, ****! New info on Hyrule Warriors came up that's breaking my dreams in a million pieces (in spoilers due to plot spoilers)

Spoiler

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/s...-what-zelda-games-involved-in-hy#.U8_t0m5prQ-
Story involve the opening of 3 dimensions: Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, & Skyward Sword.

Really? Only THREE ****ING GAMES? That's only 17% of the main series Zelda games there. They're all good games but they don't deserve to hog the entire damn spotlot.

GGRRRRRRRRRR!!!

Well, that's too bad. I guess no Tingle then.

 

[Substitution]

Terminal, hopefully. It took me too long to realize how intrinsically bad LoL is as a game. There are a couple of champions from it that I think would make very interesting Smash Bros. characters, such as Wukong and Annie.

Did they ever make a joint ad with Game of Thrones or have I been bamboozled?

I dunno. I've heard from a couple friends of mine it's really addicting and enjoyable when you know what you're doing. But I've never been a MMO kind of guy.

Well, that's too bad. I guess no Tingle then.

Tingle was not in Ocarina of Time?

 

[Twewy]

Why is Rick and Morty the best thing Adult Swim has ever made?

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Well, that's too bad. I guess no Tingle then.

I wouldn't say that yet.
Remember, the Ocarina of Time universe is technically the same universe as Majora's Mask, as MM is a direct sequel to OoT.

And since we have Majora's Moon, I'd say Tingle still has a chance.

But Vaati is pretty much dead, which makes me sad.
Unless they were to throw in some new plot point saying there is an incarnation of Vaati in the "main" dimension (the one that Link, Zelda, Impa, Lana, and Cia are from)

I still have hope.

 

[Pyra]

Why is Rick and Morty the best thing Adult Swim has ever made?

It's funny on its own but it helps that all the other shows that are original to Adult Swim are awful.

Well, that's too bad. I guess no Tingle then.

I mean if the Moon can appear...

EDIT: 'd

 

[Substitution]

Why is Rick and Morty the best thing Adult Swim has ever made?

Because when one of your competitors are Family Guy, it doesn't take much.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

I dunno. I've heard from a couple friends of mine it's really addicting and enjoyable when you know what you're doing. But I've never been a MMO kind of guy.


Tingle was not in Ocarina of Time?

League of Legends is not an MMO, but alrighty...

It's addicting but I'd say it's only enjoyable when you don't know what you're doing. When you actually become somewhat competent at the game is when the fun stops. The most frequent and biggest complaint I hear is about other players and rightly so. LoL is somewhere between a solo venture and team-oriented game so it **** teases you with the notion that you can have any real influence over the outcome of the game. You can't truly combo off with many champions or tangibly help a team mate in any way that would get them mentally back in the game. In a real team sport, an underperforming player get rotated out, coached, or moved to the bench. Getting repeatedly denied good plays or victories because of someone else frustrates people and pretty much has driven everyone to be jackasses.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Say hello to the newest members of the Sonic Boom cast. It appears that most of them will appear in the games while several will also appear in the TV Show (Perci, Salty, ect.). I'm loving Perci since she has the most potential of being an interesting character.


http://blogs.sega.com/2014/07/23/meet-characters-in-the-sonic-boom-universe/

 

[Pyra]

I like King of the Hill, American Dad, older Family Guy episodes, and Rick and Morty.
Though, to be fair, none of those are 'made' by Adult Swim and only one of them is exclusive/originated on it.

The shows that they actually produced are awful though.

 

[Substitution]

Say hello to the newest members of the Sonic Boom cast. It appears that most of them will appear in the games while several will also appear in the TV Show (Perci, Salty, ect.). I'm loving Perci since she has the most potential of being an interesting character.


http://blogs.sega.com/2014/07/23/meet-characters-in-the-sonic-boom-universe/

Eh. I don't mind these guys too much.

 

[Morbi]

Say hello to the newest members of the Sonic Boom cast. It appears that most of them will appear in the games while several will also appear in the TV Show (Perci, Salty, ect.). I'm loving Perci since she has the most potential of being an interesting character.


http://blogs.sega.com/2014/07/23/meet-characters-in-the-sonic-boom-universe/

Chef Woody and Salty are probably my favorites, but overall, these designs did not hurt my eyes.

 

[DraginHikari]

Ninja'd, move along.

 

[Pyra]

I made the mistake of clicking my signature again and now I can't get it out of my head. Again.

 

[FalKoopa]

Say hello to the newest members of the Sonic Boom cast. It appears that most of them will appear in the games while several will also appear in the TV Show (Perci, Salty, ect.). I'm loving Perci since she has the most potential of being an interesting character.


http://blogs.sega.com/2014/07/23/meet-characters-in-the-sonic-boom-universe/

I can't say I like the direction the Sonic franchise is going. The characters mostly look like they are from a silly kid's show. Kind of run-of-the-mill. The designs aren't bad, but they don't really look too interesting and don't look Sonic-y at all.

They should probably have experimented with the large backlog of forgotten Sonic characters instead.

I made the mistake of clicking my signature again and now I can't get it out of my head. Again.

I clicked your sig. It was awesome. I didn't know something so beautiful was inside.