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No Sheik, no dice. Zelda doesn't make sense without her. It's the only reason she ever showed fighting prowess in a canon Zelda game.

Ganondorf definitely had no chance outside of being a clone, or without his sword(since it didn't exist in the Zelda games). He's less worth it than Sheik if we want a more unique character.
 

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No Sheik, no dice. Zelda doesn't make sense without her. It's the only reason she ever showed fighting prowess in a canon Zelda game.

Ganondorf definitely had no chance outside of being a clone, or without his sword(since it didn't exist in the Zelda games). He's less worth it than Sheik if we want a more unique character.
So...I should cut Zelda?
 

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So...I should cut Zelda?
Sheik stays as a Transformation or is a separate selectable character. Either, or. I'd rather have Pig Ganon anyway since he does have a weapon early on and could have a far more interesting moveset, imo.

And you did make it clear Sheik is gone, otherwise I wouldn't be saying that. Just remember, Zelda never fought outside of her Sheik form besides two non-canon games that Nintendo hates and the TV show. And maybe the Comics. Why would she be playable in Smash without her battle counterpart, the one she uses to do the fighting? That makes no sense. Almost everybody fights naturally as well. Or at least has fighting moves by default. Zelda stole all of hers from Link or got fully made up ones. Sheik was fully implied to fight in OOT and does so in the Manga as well. It's not till WW that Zelda herself ever fought. So no, I doubt she'd have been in without her battle outfit. I would feel it's more like Ganondorf would have been in Melee over her if Sheik didn't exist. And some other character that wasn't a clone. Diddy if they could get past the copyright issues is a fair option. Maybe a Gen II Pokemon besides Pichu.(actually, not representing Gen II is a travesty. Every time the latest Gen is always repped by a playable character. I don't think that should change, even if the previous one gets shafted out of one for it. Each one has been really cool.)
 

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I think you're sort of missing the point of the conversation from earlier. We're taking the same frame of time constraints in mind. This wouldn't have been a plausible outcome.

And the lack of the latest Gen rep (at the time) is disheartening imho :<
 
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Sheik stays as a Transformation or is a separate selectable character. Either, or. I'd rather have Pig Ganon anyway since he does have a weapon early on and could have a far more interesting moveset, imo.

And you did make it clear Sheik is gone, otherwise I wouldn't be saying that. Just remember, Zelda never fought outside of her Sheik form besides two non-canon games that Nintendo hates and the TV show. And maybe the Comics. Why would she be playable in Smash without her battle counterpart, the one she uses to do the fighting? That makes no sense. Almost everybody fights naturally as well. Or at least has fighting moves by default. Zelda stole all of hers from Link or got fully made up ones. Sheik was fully implied to fight in OOT and does so in the Manga as well. It's not till WW that Zelda herself ever fought. So no, I doubt she'd have been in without her battle outfit. I would feel it's more like Ganondorf would have been in Melee over her if Sheik didn't exist. And some other character that wasn't a clone. Diddy if they could get past the copyright issues is a fair option. Maybe a Gen II Pokemon besides Pichu.(actually, not representing Gen II is a travesty. Every time the latest Gen is always repped by a playable character. I don't think that should change, even if the previous one gets shafted out of one for it. Each one has been really cool.)
Okay, so...
I should cut Zelda. And keep Sheik.
 

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Okay, so...
I should cut Zelda. And keep Sheik.
Then there lies a problem. Now the title character is not playable but her alter ego is. One can't exist without the other.

There is kind of a reason why Sakurai did what he did with the Melee roster. Any compromises on existing non-clones doesn't make much sense.
 

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Then there lies a problem. Now the title character is not playable but her alter ego is. One can't exist without the other.
There is kind of a reason why Sakurai did what he did with the Melee roster. Any compromises on existing non-clones doesn't make much sense.
...I see what needs to be done to make this perfect.
I'll just add Sheik back as a transformation character. Then, I'll keep Ganondorf, but make him a Captain Falcon clone. I'll cut King Dedede then replace him with Falco as a Fox clone, Young Link as a Link clone, Dr. Mario as a Mario clone, Roy as a Marth clone, and Pichu as a Pikachu clone.
Perfect!

...Wait, ****
 
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Since were talking trade-offs: cut Pichu and Young Link to make Ganondorf not a clone, profit. Perfect Melee.
Wouldn't work. It takes 6 of those clones to make a non-clone. That's the ratio given to us. Six clones with heavy work done is equivalent to one unique character.
 

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...I see what needs to be done to make this perfect.
I'll just add Sheik back as a seperate character. Then, I'll keep Ganondorf, but make him a Captain Falcon clone. I'll keep King Dedede and add Falco as a Fox clone, Toon Link as a Link clone, Dr. Mario as a Luigi clone, Roy as a Bowser Jr. Costume, and cut Pichu.
Perfect!
Fixed. :4drmario:
 
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You really like those literal jokes, don't you? :p
When Quest 64's monsters are sometimes Puns, yes. Hot Lips is a Tulip Monster. Bumpershoot is just a monster who actually shoots fireballs like a Fireworks display. And basically an Oni. Parassault is my favorite one; It's an Oni with a Parasol-style dress and assaults you. It may or may not get worse.

Hyper is a she... Dude isn't used for females... is it?
Nope. But some do use it as a "gender neutral" pronoun when saying that kind of phrase. It just means "person" in that scenario.
 

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You really like those literal jokes, don't you? :p


Hyper is a she... Dude isn't used for females... is it?
I know Hyper is a girl. But I tend to call everybody dude. A lot of people in the States do actually. It'd be weird if I called her bruh or bro though.

Leonardo's the best turtle.
 

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I used some of my endless free time to make a custom version of every character in Smash 4.
Inserting "Bro" into every one of their names.

Time to wreck Smash Run with Brocina, Lucaribro, Brosalina, and Brolutena.
Oh, and let's not forget Waribro, Fox McBro, Jigglybro, and Mr. Game & Bro.
 
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I used some of my endless free time to make a custom version of every character in Smash 4.
Inserting "Bro" into every one of their names.

Time to wreck Smash Run with Brocina, Lucaribro, Brosalina, and Brolutena.
Oh, and let's not forget Waribro, Fox McBro, Jigglybro, and Mr. Game & Bro.
Jigglybro should be a new pokemon.

So, did you make Brolk, Mega Bro, Bronic the Brohog, and Broigi?
 

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Pretty sure I just played against someone named '420 No Scope'.

...Why am I even surprised?
 
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I used some of my endless free time to make a custom version of every character in Smash 4.
Inserting "Bro" into every one of their names.

Time to wreck Smash Run with Brocina, Lucaribro, Brosalina, and Brolutena.
Oh, and let's not forget Waribro, Fox McBro, Jigglybro, and Mr. Game & Bro.
What about Robotic Operating Bro? :awesome:
 

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I used some of my endless free time to make a custom version of every character in Smash 4.
Inserting "Bro" into every one of their names.

Time to wreck Smash Run with Brocina, Lucaribro, Brosalina, and Brolutena.
Oh, and let's not forget Waribro, Fox McBro, Jigglybro, and Mr. Game & Bro.
Kinda interested in Zebro Suit Sabro and Brollager.
 

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My internet must suck right now. Because I'm not getting any connections. It just keeps saying that there's a communication error. Might have to do with it raining around where I'm at. Don't know for sure. I want to get some practice really bad though.
 

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Maybe a Gen II Pokemon besides Pichu.(actually, not representing Gen II is a travesty. Every time the latest Gen is always repped by a playable character. I don't think that should change, even if the previous one gets shafted out of one for it. Each one has been really cool.)
When I read this, I had a mind-blowing moment of clarity. Gen III never had a playable rep, right? Well, you know how ORAS and Smash4 are releasing on the same day? What if DLC/secret Wii U characters turns out to actually be a thing, and one of the newcomers is a Gen III Pokemon?

To be fair, Gen V also never had a playable rep, and we already have a bunch of Pokemon reps so adding a Gen III Pokemon could be too many. But if it was the case, which Gen III Pokemon do you think would make the best addition to the Smash4 roster? I'd say Sceptile because fully-evolved Grass-type starter.
 
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