Smash 4 Social Thread 3.0

[Weeman]

Well, lemme rephrase that, I'm pissed at people that think this roster pleases everyone and is absolutely perfect, and then when someone actually makes a valid complaint about the roster, the whole army of Sakurai apologists swarms them with 'OMG WHY U QUESTION SAKURAI THE GAME'S STILL GOOD' yeah...the game's good, but it could be much better, and with Smash, 'good' doesn't cut it.

Being satisfied with the roster doesn't mean we think it's perfect, but we just don't see the point in being overly negative about it, since it's useless and it just cuts your enjoyment of the game.
Is it a perfect roster? No, Does it please everyone? No
But it's still pretty good, and it has a lot of amazing things in it
Why concentrate on the things that we didn't get?, when we can enjoy ourselves with the things that we did.

I doubt it, that'd make too much sense and making a stage based on the Snowmads' Volcano Castle would be way too awesome, we can't have that, DK needs another boring Jungle stage, or no new stage at all!

Another example of just being overly negative, even for things we don't know about yet.

 

[Frostwraith]

By saying that we should be OK with what we got, people are defending Sakurai's bizarre judgement.

That is clearly not the same thing, though.

Yup, as proven by this link: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/kakusei_bk/kekka/index.html. Lissa is popular in another poll, but the picture won't load properly. Lucina's alts probably come from these polls as well.

Makes sense.

All of Lucina's alts are from high ranked female characters in that poll.

 

[kylexv]

Updated Mains:

 

[Knight Dude]

How many coins do you get from those 10 stock matches?

Somewhere around 180 something usually. I think one time(against Samus)it was well above 200 something coins. I actually haven't spent any of my coins yet. Been too busy training. Not that I'm going to do a lot combos online. But I feel like I'm getting better with Mega Man.

 

[Wario Bros.]

By saying that we should be OK with what we got, people are defending Sakurai's bizarre judgement.

I'd rather cry about things that are bad than stay silent. Oh, BTW, 'Cry some more' replies are real mature.

Perhaps you could also tell that to the people ganging up on those who make valid complaints about the roster?

D O E S N O T C O M P U T E .

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I also notice that D-idara's not bringing up , the worst of the three clones. At least Pittoo has an excuse to be completely identical in speed and jump height to his source.

Not that I'm happy that applies to Pittoo as well, of course.

Well, Lucina is named Marth for half the game

 

[praline]

Is this an actual Great Cave Offensive stage?

Where the hell did the cart pic come from?

 

[Soul.]

Eh...honestly, cuts had to be made. Yes, they cut ICs. Melee still exists so you can play them there...yeah.

 

[kylexv]

Where the hell did the cart pic come from?

Official Smash Bros. Facebook.

 

[D-idara]

I read most of this and i have a few things to say.
1. Honestly if Snake WAS in Smash 4, I have a feeling that Sony wouldn't be too happy about it.
2. Does it really matter if most custom moves being "non-canon" dumb stuff? Custom moves add variety and depth to the game, so it really doesn't matter about it being non-canon to their respective series. Although I do agree with it not being online thing. It would be cool to see it in online modes

3.Bringing back one of the most hated characters (No, I don't care about how much you love Mario Tornado, Dr. Mario sucks as a character, he doesn't have any personality or feel any memorable) and adding a worthless clone that doesn't even have an interesting personality or major visual differences (Dark Pit). The only justified clone was Lucina.

This is all just your Opinions. You don't like him? That's great, but OTHER people are quite happy that Dr.Mario is back, because they loved to play as him in melee, rather than Mario; therefore he is not a "HATED" character, like you make him out to be.
If you played KI:U (spoilers if you haven't played it ) you would know that Dark Pit was (going to be) a clone that of dark pit, by the mirror of truth, using pit's repressed negative feelings, although it was broken before he was fully made and became a neutral character, not siding with any gods, good or bad.
Again though its all opinions. I like dark pit but you don't. Everyone has their opinions, but there is NO need to force it on to us.

Oh I do love Kid Icarus: Uprising, the only game where Sakurai didn't **** anything up big time. But even within the KI Universe? We have Hades, Viridi and Medusa who are perfect playable material, Viridi could be a Palutena clone or Hades could inherit Ganondorf's moveset if Sakurai had bothered decloning Ganondorf.

I also notice that D-idara's not bringing up , the worst of the three clones. At least Pittoo has an excuse to be completely identical in speed and jump height to his source.

Not that I'm happy that applies to Pittoo as well, of course.

It's because Lucina's an actual memorable character from a great game and she's visually different, making her much more interesting and deserving, Dark Pit is literally a darker-colored Pit with a personality that will give him an ulcer some day.

Being satisfied with the roster doesn't mean we think it's perfect, but we just don't see the point in being overly negative about it, since it's useless and it just cuts your enjoyment of the game.
Is it a perfect roster? No, Does it please everyone? No
But it's still pretty good, and it has a lot of amazing things in it
Why concentrate on the things that we didn't get?, when we can enjoy ourselves with the things that we did.


Another example of just being overly negative, even for things we don't know about yet.

Remember that we're talking about the same man that hasn't added a Bowser's Castle stage after three games of Mario reps being prominent.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I wanna give a shot for a 99 minute match to see how many coins I get, but someone is probably going to upload a video about that soon?

 

[Ffamran]

So, I just unlocked Wario and Lucina. Wario walked into my Falcon Punch. I'm not kidding. I think I was desperate at that point or wanted to do a Falcon Dive or Raptor Boost, but forgot to move the Circle Pad. Welp, it didn't matter since one, the Falcon Punch is much better than in Brawl, and two, Wario ate a flaming falcon, knuckle sandwich.

Lucina was weird, I don't know what's her requirement aside from using one of the starting Fire Emblem characters for Classic. I just fought a bit in Smash so I could beat the Kirby Final Smash, play/win as X character Y amount of times, and the Pac Man Final Smash challenges. It's safe to say that using an unfamiliar character doesn't make unlocking characters easy. At least it was Pac Man and not The Villager since I have no freaking idea how to use The Villager. Dark Pit was out-sped by Sonic, Falco was outgunned by the Mii Gunner, and Dark Pit showed Duck Hunt Dog who's laughing. I don't remember who I used to get Ness -- I think it might have been Shulk. Whatever. Back to Luci: I lost with Pac Man.

After that, I played a bit of Multi-Man Smash and Cruel Smash just left me as Little Mac getting beaten to a pulp. At least I "beat" the challenge. 100 Man Smash was beaten with Little Mac and somehow, Lucina popped up again. I promptly beat her since Little Mac is so freaking good on the ground!

Speaking of Luci again, she didn't show up in All Star Mode nor did Dark Pit or the Mii Fighters. Is this something that happens when not everyone's unlocked or are clones and Mii Fighters exempt from All Stars? Hmm, I don't remember seeing Wario either.

Oh, and I found out Alph has a trophy that's just him in Olimar's Classic Mode trophy pose. Welp, guess that means the Koopalings are getting crap or if they do, they'll just get the Koopalings trophy that lumps them altogether.

That leaves Ganondorf, Dr. Mario, Jigglypuff, and R.O.B.. Part of me wishes the starting cast was less and a part of me doesn't care since there's so many freaking people to play as.

The Play StreetSmash challenge can be finished with Practice if anyone's wondering.

 

[Knight Dude]

I can't say I'm all upset about the Clones. Dr. Mario has the Tornado, so he's cool in my book. And I just don't give a **** about Dark Pit or Lucina.

I think the only cut characters I miss are Squirtle, Snake and Wolf. And Snake's reason for being cut is understandable. Not entirely sure why Wolf was cut, but it's not that big of a deal.

 

[Weeman]

Remember that we're talking about the same man that hasn't added a Bowser's Castle stage after three games of Mario reps being prominent.

And the man who added an amazing Star Fox stage as well.
So that means nothing.

 

[TewnLeenk]

Finally got my goon squad roster figured out.

 

[Muster]

Is this an actual Great Cave Offensive stage?

Great cave offensive.

This the best game EVER.

I don't even mind that i lost snake when i got the best Shulk ever and
Doctor freakin' mario (i could go into paragraphs onto why i love him and his character so much but i won't bother you all)

de nor did Dark Pit or the Mii Fighters. Is this something that happens when not everyone's unlocked or are clones and Mii Fighters exempt from All Stars? Hmm, I don't remember seeing Wario either.

I have unlocked all characters and i see dark pit and lucina in the final stage of All star, i think it changes when all chars are unlocked.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

And the man who added an amazing Star Fox stage as well.
So that means nothing.

If star fox was so good they'd make more games

 

[Frostwraith]

All-Star only changes when all characters are unlocked.

 

[Weeman]

If star fox was so good they'd make more games

And this has to do with what? I just said that tje new Star Fox stage looks freaking fantastic, so the whole argument about Sakurai making bad stage choices is really subjective.

 

[Saikyoshi]

It's because Lucina's an actual memorable character from a great game and she's visually different, making her much more interesting and deserving, Dark Pit is literally a darker-colored Pit with a personality that will give him an ulcer some day.

My issue with Lucina is less who she is and more how horribly she was implemented.

Equipment, Shulk, and the Bunny Hood prove that it only takes changing a couple numbers to give a clone a separate playstyle rather than making them just a handicap.

Seriously, why is she just Marth with less power and nothing else to compensate for it?

 

[D-idara]

D O E S N O T C O M PU T E .

Last time I checked, complaining that the three most-requested characters didn't make it seems pretty valid. And that was sarcasm, the mature part, I was alluding to how childish it seems to say someone's crying simply because they have a different opinion.

All of Lucina's alts are from high ranked female characters in that poll.

Even though I love Lucina's amazing alts, it's pretty sad that she's the exception, since she's pretty much the only character with a bunch of alts that reference other characters like most alts should. With how popular Sonic's friends are, you'd think they'd give him some colors based on them, not different shades of blue...

If Star Fox was so good they'd make more games

That makes no sense, Metroid's amazing and it doesn't get as much games as it should.

All-Star only changes when all characters are unlocked.

I can't be the only one who thinks the All-Star Trophies on this game are lame beyond comprehension, I miss the Final Smash trophies, they were really flashy and awesome, especially Giga Bowser.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Oh I do love Kid Icarus: Uprising, the only game where Sakurai didn't **** anything up big time. But even within the KI Universe? We have Hades, Viridi and Medusa who are perfect playable material, Viridi could be a Palutena clone or Hades could inherit Ganondorf's moveset if Sakurai had bothered decloning Ganondorf.

It's because Lucina's an actual memorable character from a great game and she's visually different, making her much more interesting and deserving, Dark Pit is literally a darker-colored Pit with a personality that will give him an ulcer some day.

Remember that we're talking about the same man that hasn't added a Bowser's Castle stage after three games of Mario reps being prominent.

Talks about hating clones.

Then suggests Viridi to be a Palutena clone
Then suggests Hades to be made a Falcon clone

Wait wut?

 

[Ffamran]

I have unlocked all characters and i see dark pit and lucina in the final stage of All star, i think it changes when all chars are unlocked.

Okay. Well, that explains why I don't remember seeing Wario, Falco, or Ness. Yep, definitely didn't see Falco when I fought Fox.

It's kind of weird, though, but it's probably for the best since a wonky glitch could spoil for a player who avoided all news on a game except for release date news. Then again, some stages that aren't unlocked like Dreamland still show up in Classic.

All-Star only changes when all characters are unlocked.

You just got 'd by Muster!

 

[D-idara]

Talks about hating clones.

Then suggests Viridi to be a Palutena clone
Then suggests Hades to be made a Falcon clone

Wait wut?

You're doing it wrong, I don't hate clones, I really like Falco, Toon Link and Lucina...I only hate stupid clones. For me, clones should get a spot because of who they are, not because of how they play, that's why I'm perfectly OK with those three I listed and absolutely hate Mr. Spin-Off Puzzle Game and Mr. Literal Palette Swap from Previous Game...I mean, seriously? We get Mario with a Labcoat but we can't even get a Mystery Dungeon costume for Pikachu?

My issue with Lucina is less who she is and more how horribly she was implemented.

Equipment, Shulk, and the Bunny Hood prove that it only takes changing a couple numbers to give a clone a separate playstyle rather than making them just a handicap.

Seriously, why is she just Marth with less power and nothing else to compensate for it?

That's kinda how she works in Awakening, which doesn't make much sense really since she was trained by the more brutal, more reckless Chrom.

 

[TJ-Works]

Last time I checked, complaining that the three most-requested characters didn't make it seems pretty valid. And that was sarcasm, the mature part, I was alluding to how childish it seems to say someone's crying simply because they have a different opinion.

Have you even read your own comments? You talk about Sakurai as being a lot of things (bad things), yet your attitude and comments on tidbits are no better. Probably less mature than you claim Sakurai to be.

Hypocrisy, thy name is D-idara.

Can we please stop this argument now?

 

[Saikyoshi]

You're doing it wrong, I don't hate clones, I really like Falco, Toon Link and Lucina...I only hate stupid clones. For me, clones should get a spot because of who they are, not because of how they play, that's why I'm perfectly OK with those three I listed and absolutely hate Mr. Spin-Off Puzzle Game and Mr. Literal Palette Swap from Previous Game...I mean, seriously? We get Mario with a Labcoat but we can't even get a Mystery Dungeon costume for Pikachu?

That's kinda how she works in Awakening, which doesn't make much sense really since she was trained by the more brutal, more reckless Chrom.

The Mystery Dungeon series isn't solely owned by Nintendo. It's crossed over with many franchises by many companies. A Hyrule Warriors reference would have the same legal difficulty.

 

[Ffamran]

That makes no sense, Metroid's amazing and it doesn't get as much games as it should.

I can't be the only one who thinks the All-Star Trophies on this game are lame beyond comprehension, I miss the Final Smash trophies, they were really flashy and awesome, especially Giga Bowser.

Tell Capcom about how Mega Man is amazing. They'll laugh, throw pie at you, kick you out, cry about their financial problems when they think you're out of earshot, and try to come up with get-rich schemes.

At least Nintendo asked fans what they want - fans said Metroid - and are reviving Star Fox, but that still leaves F-Zero, Mother/EarthBound, and a bunch of other games like Wario Land.

As for All-Star trophies, I remember seeing a couple on the wiki and they're not that great. They remind me of Melee's Classic, Adventure, and All-Star trophies. They were mostly palette swaps and only Ganondorf is memorable since he had his sword for one of his trophies. Alph should have been Olimar's All Star trophy instead of a random trophy you can buy. At least it would cement the idea that Alpha is important in some way than, "Oh, it's that guy from Pikmin 3". Little Mac's All Star trophy is cool, but that's because he's in his pink hoodie and sweatpants.

 

[MunchyMunch]

You're so funny and clever and hilarious.

I'm pissed at seeing people being happy over these lackluster newcomers, and oh, I already bought the game and I'm enjoying it quite a bit, won't be able to finish it thought since I won't ever play Dark Pit or Dr. Mario.

Perhaps you could stop talking about me in third-person like I'm not a part of this forum, many people within the competitive community asked for more platform variety on Omega forms of stages.
Perhaps you people could stop insulting me for no reason.
Perhaps you people could try to understand that someone criticizing the roster because it's nowhere near as good as it could've been is perfectly fine.

EDIT: Oh, and Sakurai shows how good he is at picking stages by picking Great Cave Offensive over actually-iconic locations like the Lor Starcutter, Mt. Dedede or Cookie Country, I guess Tower Of Smash deconfirmed, like everything, it seemed too good or made too much sense for Sakurai to actually do it.

Jesus Christ, he'll complain about stages now. And you're still the only one I've seen ask for Omega versions with platforms.

And we all know you're part of this forum. Some of us just wish you weren't.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

You're doing it wrong, I don't hate clones, I really like Falco, Toon Link and Lucina...I only hate stupid clones. For me, clones should get a spot because of who they are, not because of how they play, that's why I'm perfectly OK with those three I listed and absolutely hate Mr. Spin-Off Puzzle Game and Mr. Literal Palette Swap from Previous Game...I mean, seriously? We get Mario with a Labcoat but we can't even get a Mystery Dungeon costume for Pikachu?

When i said "Talks about hating clones" i meant the Dark pit and Dr.Mario.
Also you said that Dr.Mario sucks as a character and Dark pit is a worthless character to be in smash because of almost no Visual differences and doesn't have a decent personality..... That sure as hell is hating them
EDIT: lol nvm didn't read your post properly

 

[Wario Bros.]

I stopped caring who got in YEARS ago. Not even my most wanted character (Balloon Fighter) being absent yet again affected my discission on buying Smash 3DS or Wii U nor will it affect future Smash games.

Come for the characters, stay for the gameplay.

 

[Aurane]

Little Mac, No Items, Omega Form.

This is why I play. Best fun I've had in years.

 

[D-idara]

And we all know you're part of this forum. Some of us just wish you weren't.

Good for you~!

When i said "Talks about hating clones" i meant the Dark pit and Dr.Mario.
Also you said that Dr.Mario sucks as a character and Dark pit is a worthless character to be in smash because of almost no Visual differences and doesn't have a decent personality..... That sure as hell is hating them
EDIT: lol nvm didn't read your post properly

Oh I do hate those two, just not clones as a whole, I personally don't mind good clones like Falco or Toon Link.

 

[MunchyMunch]

I mean, seriously? We get Mario with a Labcoat but we can't even get a Mystery Dungeon costume for Pikachu?

Wow. That is the most random, out there complaint for a Smash Bros game I've ever seen in my life. And this is coming from someone who has seen people complain about there being no shirtless Ike costume.

 

[Soul.]

I stopped caring who got in YEARS ago. Not even my most wanted character (Balloon Fighter) being absent yet again affected my discission on buying Smash 3DS or Wii U nor will it affect future Smash games.

Come for the characters, stay for the gameplay.

I don't care about who is getting in and who isn't too. The gameplay is more important to me.

 

[Ffamran]

Speaking of Dark Pit, I thought he had a mirrored sprite since he's was born from a mirror or something - I don't remember Uprising's plot since I only watched a LP on it and focused more on the action and witty banter. The reason I thought so is Dark Pit is supposed to be the dark side of Pit - oh, how surprising - and he's his reflection and therefore, I thought he'd be left-handed for pretty much everything while Pit was right-handed. Nope, they're the same.

With archery, right-handed (and right eye dominant) people, usually, hold their bow with their left and draw with their right, vice versa for left-handed people. It's also something that came up in my mind the moment I saw Link firing his bow in the Wii U trailer for Zelda Wii U - he's holding it right-handed and even squinting his left eye suggesting he's left eye dominant, but was probably taught by a right-handed archer who couldn't figure out how to mirror his movements for Link to learn. At the same time, Link's sword is the on the right side of his horse and that suggests he's left-handed with the sword. It's going to be weird and costly to switch between a bow and sword like that since they're both being held with the same hand. Link was never right-handed with the bow except for on the Wii version of Twilight Princess, but that was because the game was mirrored. Even in Skyward Sword, Link held his bow with his right and drew with his left.

 

[RamOne]

I don't care about who is getting in and who isn't too. The gameplay is more important to me.

But what if they cut Pikachu?

Tonight on FOX: Things that will never happen. With Glenn Beck. Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I don't care about who is getting in and who isn't too. The gameplay is more important to me.

Would you play a game with horribly offensive stereotypes if the gameplay was well done?

 

[Soul.]

But what if they cut Pikachu?

Tonight on FOX: Things that will never happen. With Glenn Beck. Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series.

I use someone else I guess.
But yeah, OG 12 will always be in every Smash game.

Would you play a game with horribly offensive stereotypes if the gameplay was well done?

If you're talking about a gameplay similar to Melee then I would play it. I would play a game with Brawl's gameplay. Or even Smash 64's.
Smash 4's gameplay is good.

 

[Aurane]

Would you play a game with horribly offensive stereotypes if the gameplay was well done?

Yes.

Super Fat Lip Blacks, starring Doc Louis

 

[Knight Dude]

Would you play a game with horribly offensive stereotypes if the gameplay was well done?

Yeah, It's called Street Fighter. Have you've seen Balrog, Vega and Rufus?