Smash 4 Social Thread 3.0

[FalKoopa]

Project M was done by amateurs with:
- no time constraints whatsoever, no pressure to meet a deadline.
- no need to contact several different companies in order to get permission to use assets and copyrighted work and all that bureaucracy that goes on and such things take time. Keyword: TIME. The developer's worst enemy.

Don't call them amateurs. Sure, they aren't professionals, but their work is as impressive as one.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Also Pikachu has become popular because of the anime and movies and whatnot, so there's that.

Implying that the anime is the only contributor to the Pokémon series success. You do know that the anime/movies are side projects, right?

Spoiler

And massive rule 34 material for years to come?

Was that even necessary?

 

[DraginHikari]

Go over to the PM Social Thread right now and try saying this there.

You will be told quite the opposite. XD

Just a small nitpick. I don't actually care about the topic going on right now. ¦D



*looks at the timing for Mewtwo showing up in Melee and Lucario being in Brawl at all* ...Weeeeell....

Well to be fair, the development team pressure has more to do with funding and timeline pressured by Nintendo and other entities involved involved with the project while PM has... an angry fanbase? I admit I don't pay attention enough to PM to know what problems they face but there isn't millions of dollars in profit on the line either.

Errr, I wasn't making excuses, just stating why it sucked Mewtwo was cut.

Also Pikachu has become popular because of the anime and movies and whatnot, so there's that.

Yeah guys, that was my screwup, with Dark Pit. AND if we're talking about characters with unique special moves, was it REALLY necessary to give Palutena 12 special moves?

Spoiler

And massive rule 34 material for years to come?

That's more a matter of opinion at that point. Was Palutena worth not having Mewtwo for? Depends on how you view both character. In my case, yes, I'd take Palutena over Mewtwo simply on the basis that I don't care about Mewtwo. I know that's a issue with my tastes and less to do with the merits of either character.

It's obvious they wanted a character who took a more unique advantage of the customizable moves and Palutena and the Uprising powers worked out well for that purpose more or less.

As for your last point well... that started happening the moment Wii Fit Trainer was announced so it was pretty unavoidable.

 

[MunchyMunch]

Implying that the anime is the only contributor to the Pokémon series success. You do know that the anime/movies are side projects, right?

Was that even necessary?

Who in the world implied that?

Spoiler

Yes.

 

[Frostwraith]

[quote="Frostwraith, post: 17634289, member: 212032"Project M was done by amateurs with:
- no time constraints whatsoever, no pressure to meet a deadline.
- no need to contact several different companies in order to get permission to use assets and copyrighted work and all that bureaucracy that goes on and such things take time. Keyword: TIME. The developer's worst enemy.
Don't call them amateurs. Sure, they aren't professionals, but their work is as impressive as one.
I meant amateurs in the sense they're not professionals.

They're not hired by a huge company and under a strict time limit. They can do their stuff at their own pace. There's no bureaucracy and corporate stuff added to the mix. They don't have to worry about legal stuff.

And the list goes on. All the stuff I mentioned above does hinder game development and I assure it's reason many ideas are scrapped during development and how sometimes clones like Dr. Mario, Dark Pit and Lucina are the only ways to add some little extra stuff they can.

Seems like some people are ignorant on what's going on behind the scenes during professional development. Development on Project M and on an actual Smash game are two entirely different realities under entirely different circumstances. It's apples and oranges, really.

 

[MunchyMunch]

Is it true Project M is trying to add characters like Waluigi , Ridley, etc? If it is, that's gonna be a lot tougher than fixing mechanics of their game.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Inb4 people suggest that Sakurai should be replaced by someone else for future Smash games.

 

[Deleted member]

Inb4 people suggest that Sakurai should be replaced by someone else for future Smash games.

"Sakurai doesn't do what I want so he should be replaced."

 

[Sehnsucht]

Inb4 people suggest that Sakurai should be replaced by someone else for future Smash games.

*Sees R.O.B.'s post*

*Deletes 2000-word draft*

 

[MunchyMunch]

Inb4 people suggest that Sakurai should be replaced by someone else for future Smash games.

The Ridley supporters are already way ahead of you. Go look at the last few pages of the Ridley Support thread and you will see chaos.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Implying that the anime is the only contributor to the Pokémon series success. You do know that the anime/movies are side projects, right??

Actually, the anime is the main contributor to the Pokemon series success. Game Freak and The Pokemon Company themselves even acknowledged that. You can try and tip-toe around it all you want and say the anime is a small time project, but everyone in their right and unbiased minds know that if not for the Pokemon anime, Pokemon would not have been anywhere close to as popular as it became back in the 90s, let alone now. Consider the fact that it was originally meant to be a one and done thing in Gen 1 and then still meant to end in Gen 2 only for it end up being so popular that they knew they could keep going with it from that point on and still make money. Kids wanted the video games and the trading cards because they watched the show. Simple as that. You may have been different, but you're a tiny minority and need to accept that.

It doesn't matter how much you hate the anime whether it's for it's writing or it's popularity or just the fact that it exists. One fact remains absolutely true: If the anime hadn't made the Pokemon franchise as popular as it is now, we wouldn't have even gotten anything past Gen 1 or 2.

And that's all I have to say about that. So how's everybody doing today? =D

Maybe I'm seeing things, but everyone kinda seems on edge a bit. Must be Monday. ¦D

 

[Frostwraith]

"Sakurai doesn't do what I want so he should be replaced."

Pretty much the logic of a good chunk of the Smash fanbase.

 

[Crescendo]

Like I said, we shouldn't be hasty and base the entirety of Mewtwo's regrettable fate on this one and only quote. It's obvious that there were a lot of other problems and decision behind the scene that were kept from the general public, and it's probable we'll never know what exactly happened in its entirety.
I'm extremely confident he'll be back soon anyway, for a small price of 4.99$.

 

[TewnLeenk]

Inb4 people suggest that Sakurai should be replaced by someone else for future Smash games.

A Smash game without Sakurai just wouldn't feel right. I dunno man it just wouldn't be the same, y'know? Sure he makes some questionable decisions, but his quirkiness, trolling and obsessive attention to detail would surely be missed. I don't think anybody else could do his job just as well.

 

[Deleted member]

If Mewtwo is released as DLC, I won't buy him because I just don't care anymore.

Or maybe I'll buy him just for matchups. *sigh*

 

[CrusherMania1592]

It just bothers me how he got in over any of the other semi-clones to begin with. Probably because I'm not a fan of seeing characters who are the EXACT same person getting in even as clones. At least Robin is no longer my punching bag lol

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

The Ridley supporters are already way ahead of you. Go look at the last few pages of the Ridley Support thread and you will see chaos.

Oh believe me, I've seen it the day everyone was unlocked a few weeks ago. Sakurai had bought that upon himself for giving the Ridley supporters false hope with that "tease" in the April Direct.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Inb4 people suggest that Sakurai should be replaced by someone else for future Smash games.

More like "inafter" cause we've been doing that years before Smash 4 was a thing. XD

I actually do want Sakurai replaced, honestly. It's probably end up being a lot more interesting.

 

[Frostwraith]

A Smash game without Sakurai just wouldn't feel right. I dunno man it just wouldn't be the same, y'know? Sure he makes some questionable decisions, but his quirkiness, trolling and obsessive attention to detail would surely be missed. I don't think anybody else could do his job just as well.

Hideo Kojima, Hideki Kamiya or Yoshinori Ono.

There, you have some troll developers for your own enjoyment. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Sehnsucht]

The next Smash Bros. cycle should be overseen by Hideo Kojima.

EDIT: Frostwrek't.

 

[Blargg888]

Now is a better time than ever to post this.

Hey, I just watched that a little bit ago! It's pretty good, but I've always preferred this one.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

The next Smash Bros. cycle should be overseen by Tetsuya Nomura.

Fixed.

Then you guys would know what real developer trolling and bull**** is.

Ah, and then everyone in the game would have so many belts and straps and zippers everywhere. ¦D

 

[TewnLeenk]

Hideo Kojima, Hideki Kamiya or Yoshinori Ono.

There, you have some troll developers for your own enjoyment. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Oh boy a Kojima Smash game.

- Initial trailer : shows off all these cool characters and stages. States they will be playable.

- Game is released : These characters and stages are nowhere to be found. They are all replaced with much lamer ones.

 

[MunchyMunch]

I don't get the people who say there isn't going to be DLC. A few of Nintendo's latest games with multiple playable characters (Mario Golf WT, MK8, Hyrule Warriors, etc.) have gotten DLC, and this game just screams something to throw your money at. And they've all been pretty good deals.

 

[DraginHikari]

Don't call them amateurs. Sure, they aren't professionals, but their work is as impressive as one.

Amateurs was definitely not the best word to use, they've been modders and independent developers at their best. I respect the work that they do, even if I have little actual interest in their project.

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

Wasnt Mewtwo planned for the N64 version? Man, if only he got priority over, say, Jigglypuff... that would be an alternative universe I would like to live in (nothing againts Puff, but I rather have Mewtwo)

 

[Moon Monkey]

Okay this blows the Smash 3DS trailers out of the water.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

I don't get the people who say there isn't going to be DLC. A few of Nintendo's latest games with multiple playable characters (Mario Golf WT, MK8, Hyrule Warriors, etc.) have gotten DLC, and this game just screams something to throw your money at. And they've all been pretty good deals.

Smash is without a doubt the one video game series Nintendo has that could only possibly benefit from DLC with no negative repercussions whatsoever. DLC characters and stages for Smash 4 would be absolutely brilliant and perfect. Especially if it adds some of the characters people were hoping for in the past. There is literally no reason not to do it.

Which is exactly why they won't do it. Cause that's just how Nintendon't does.

Well that, and because Sakurai doesn't believe in DLC. ¦D

 

[MunchyMunch]

I will never forgive Hideous Kojima for Snatcher. That bomb prank literally made me go to the doctor when I heard that bomb explode and I put my ear up to the TV speaker.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

http://nintendoeverything.com/north-american-smash-bros-3ds-commercials/

The American commercials for Smash are pretty good, and I think "Settle it in Smash" might become a meme later on

@Warchamp7 Won't let me become a mod? LET'S SETTLE IT IN SMASH!

10 characters rule? LET'S SETTLE IT IN SMASH!

Got an infraction for no reason? LET'S SETTLE IT IN SMASH!

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

"Sakurai doesn't do what I want so he should be replaced."

I remember I saw a post in some flame bait thread, that basically said it's absurd that Character X got in over Character Y, Sakurai is senile and should step down.

@Warchamp7 Won't let me become a mod? LET'S SETTLE IT IN SMASH!

10 characters rule? LET'S SETTLE IT IN SMASH!

Got an infraction for no reason? LET'S SETTLE IT IN SMASH!

@Xiivi didn't reply to us? We'll settle it in smash!

 

[DraginHikari]

Wasnt Mewtwo planned for the N64 version? Man, if only he got priority over, say, Jigglypuff... that would be an alternative universe I would like to live in (nothing againts Puff, but I rather have Mewtwo)

A number of characters including Mewtwo were planned, due to the N64 version puny development funding, development staff, and pure hardware limitations. N64 version from what I understand had a high percentage of planned material that was left on the cutting room floor then the later installments.

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

Okay this blows the Smash 3DS trailers out of the water.

O hey look, its that one good game on the Xbone.

 

[mimgrim]

Fixed.

Then you guys would know what real developer trolling and bull**** is.

Ah, and then everyone in the game would have so many belts and straps and zippers everywhere. ¦D

Don't forget pockets.

 

[MunchyMunch]

O hey look, its that one good game on the Xbone.

You spelled "only" wrong.

 

[Deleted member]

I remember I saw a post in some flame bait thread, that basically said it's absurd that Character X got in over Character Y, Sakurai is senile and should step down.


@Xiivi didn't reply to us? We'll settle it in smash!

Sakurai is senile and needs to step down? LET'S SETTLE IT IN SMASH.

 

[MunchyMunch]

This game has a lot of weird changes.

• No Event Mode
• 6 unlockables from Brawl are now starters
• You can play All Star at any time

And weirdest of all, why'd they make Wario an unlockable? That's just as weird as he is.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Okay this blows the Smash 3DS trailers out of the water.

That is one of the best trailers I've ever seen.

 

[R0Y]

Oh boy a Kojima Smash game.

- Initial trailer : shows off all these cool characters and stages. States they will be playable.

- Game is released : These characters and stages are nowhere to be found. They are all replaced with much lamer ones.

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

You spelled "only" wrong.

Well, I wanted to, but then I remembered Scalebound exists, so....