Smash 4 Social Thread 3.0

[Deleted member]

Well apparently Dark pit should be in over ice climbers according to our friend Mr. Sakurai.
And Dr. Mario over Mewtwo (Maybe)

Except Ice Climbers are not comparable to Dark Pit.

Ice Climbers have technical limitations that prevent them from being in. Dark Pit does not.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I don't think Geno should ever be playable. He doesn't deserve it.

Well, I think he does

I think he does x 2 which counterbalances your opinion and increases the plus side +1

 

[Substitution]

And Dr. Mario over Mewtwo (Maybe)

We already have Mewtwo. His name is Lucario.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

We already have Mewtwo. His name is Greninja.

Fixed.

 

[Kenith]

There sure are a lot of clones being added to this game.

Hopefully Mewtwo is one of them.

 

[Substitution]

Fixed.

But that doesn't make any sense. Lucario plays like Mewtwo more than Greninja.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

There sure are a lot of clones being added to this game.

Hopefully Mewtwo is one of them.

 

[Will]

I hate my ear infection.

Every time I talk,my head makes it sound to me like I'm on a radio talk,with some buzzing.

Damn you,cotton swabs!

 

[JamesDNaux]

Actually, how Sakurai worded it it sounded like (to me) he was gathering resources from a variety of companies but when it came to Ubisoft they gave Sakurai an entire HD model, which surprised Sakurai and he expressed that in a PotD.

I'm still confident that there's more 3rd party trophies than just that.

Why would Sakurai go to different companies for random characters?

"Pic of the day. In order to make Rayman's trophy, we asked Ubisoft to share their references. We were expecting to receive 2D drawing references for Rayman, but to our surprise, they sent us data of a brand new 3D model that they rendered for this game!! And that was how this trophy was created. It takes a lot of work creating each model, so it's wonderful that the creators contributed their own efforts!!"

Sounds to me like Ubisoft asked for Rayman to be included, but like Snake with Melee, there wasn't enough time.

Which is where I think a compromise was made, he would include a trophy so as not to delay the game, then make him a DLC fighter once the game was finished. Sakurai is a pretty dedicated guy, he went back to Kojimo and Snake for Brawl, so...

All I'm saying is, Rayman's chances are as good as anybody else. But I'd say he has less of a chance in favor of pure Nintendo characters.

That's the problem, third parties are a completely different ball game. People tend to falsely try to justify them as "being important to Nintendo" when they aren't. Sonic is important to Sega, Snake to Konami, Mega Man to Capcom, Pac-Man Namco, etc.

There's a reason Sakurai called them special cases, because that's what they are.

 

[Starcutter]

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I think he meant that literally.

 

[TJ-Works]

That's the problem, third parties are a completely different ball game. People tend to falsely try to justify them as "being important to Nintendo" when they aren't. Sonic is important to Sega, Snake to Konami, Mega Man to Capcom, Pac-Man Namco, etc.

There's a reason Sakurai called them special cases, because that's what they are.

Hmm, I guess you're right in a way.

So is the real problem Sakurai himself?

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I hate my ear infraction.

Every time I talk,my head makes it sound to me like I'm on a radio talk,with some buzzing.

Damn you,cotton swabs!

This is what I misread it as.

 

[Lozjam]

This is what I misread it as.

The mods got to his ears! Oh my!

 

[Deleted member]

Except Ice Climbers are not comparable to Dark Pit.

Ice Climbers have technical limitations that prevent them from being in. Dark Pit does not.

Maybe Ice Climbers could be in the game as DLC or as unlockables.

Spoiler

Or.. for the New 3DS.

 

[Substitution]

This is what I misread it as.

The mods give infractions to ears now? Well darn. Looks like I'll be gone for a while guys.

 

[OsirisOda]

There sure are a lot of clones being added to this game.

Hopefully Mewtwo is one of them.

Then you already know what I'm going to say, right?
ROY'S OUR BOY!
Wishful thinking to add Roy, but it would be nice.
As for Mewtwo, I'm pretty neutral on that matter.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Fixed.

Because by the time that game comes out Nintendo would have hopefully bought Capcom. Or at least Sega...

Kawaii

 

[Will]

This is what I misread it as.

I'm serious though.
It's like the man on those emergency messages depicting harsh weather.

I hope it's not permanent.

 

[Deleted member]

There sure are a lot of clones being added to this game.

Hopefully Mewtwo is one of them.

 

[Substitution]

There sure are a lot of clones being added to this game.

Hopefully Mewtwo is one of them.

I would assume so. He is a clone after all.

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe Ice Climbers could be in the game as DLC or as unlockables.

Spoiler

Or.. for the New 3DS.

OH GOD NO.

new 3DS exclusives are worse than Wii U exclusives

 

[Starcutter]

Why would Sakurai go to different companies for random characters?

Why not? Sakurai wanted this to be the ultimate character game, didn't he? Wouldn't third parties be a key element?

Sounds to me like Ubisoft asked for Rayman to be included, but like Snake with Melee, there wasn't enough time.

Which is where I think a compromise was made, he would include a trophy so as not to delay the game, then make him a DLC fighter once the game was finished. Sakurai is a pretty dedicated guy, he went back to Kojimo and Snake for Brawl, so...

I think this is a little Rayman bias. (to be fair, I would probably be like this too if I wanted Rayman). Why include rayman even if Ubisoft wanted them to? Is there someone from ubisoft that's best friends with sakurai like what happened with snake?

 

[Kenith]

So I'm playing Twilight Princess still.
I love this game, but...

The City in the Sky and everything related to it can BURN.
I can beat most of the dungeon in an hour and a half. ve been wandering aimlessly for three hours in this dungeon and still can't get to the boss.

 

[OsirisOda]

OH GOD NO.

new 3DS exclusives are worse than Wii U exclusives

I JUST got a new 3DS XL. They better not. Don't do it. Don't. Do notendo.

 

[Sil]

So I'm playing Twilight Princess still.
I love this game, but...

The City in the Sky and everything related to it can BURN.
I can beat most of the dungeon in an hour and a half. ve been wandering aimlessly for three hours in this dungeon and still can't get to the boss.

That and Lakebed temple are some of the worst dungeons in the series, imo.

 

[Substitution]

I JUST got a new 3DS XL. They better not. Don't do it. Don't. Do notendo.

The more you deny, the harder the harsh cold of reality will strike.

 

[Will]

I wonder what the New Nintendo 2DS would be

 

[TJ-Works]

So I'm playing Twilight Princess still.
I love this game, but...

The City in the Sky and everything related to it can BURN.
I can beat most of the dungeon in an hour and a half. ve been wandering aimlessly for three hours in this dungeon and still can't get to the boss.

I'm only in the middle of reviving Midna. But, I can't continue playing TP for the life of me.

I just don't enjoy it as much as other Zelda games. The aesthetics are muddy and dull, the locations don't entice me, and there's something about the gameplay.

It's weird a lot of people give Skyward Sword flack, yet I enjoyed that game a hell of a lot more than TP.

 

[OsirisOda]

The more you deny, the harder the harsh cold of reality will strike.

I may, and I mean MAY, get it just for Xenoblade.

 

[Superyoshiom]

I wonder what the New Nintendo 2DS would be

A doorstop

 

[Substitution]

I may, and I mean MAY, get it just for Xenoblade.

I might pick up Xenoblade to see what all the hubbub is about. But other than that I'm focusing my efforts on the Virtual Console games.

 

[Lozjam]

That and Lakebed temple are some of the worst dungeons in the series, imo.

Well said. My favorite dungeon in TP though, has to be Arbiters Grounds. I love that place

 

[Kenith]

I'm only in the middle of reviving Midna. But, I can't continue playing TP for the life of me.
I just don't enjoy it as much as other Zelda games. The aesthetics are muddy and dull, the locations don't entice me, and there's something about the gameplay.
It's weird a lot of people give Skyward Sword flack, yet I enjoyed that game a hell of a lot more than TP.

I probably should have mentioned this is MY favorite Zelda.

The point about the visuals is valid, though. It does look dated. Especially compared to Wind Waker. But guess which one got an HD remake?

That and Lakebed temple are some of the worst dungeons in the series, imo.

Yep. At least CitS has a cool boss.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I wonder what the New Nintendo 2DS would be

Still not flexible.

 

[Substitution]

But guess which one got an HD remake?

Wand of Gamelon?

 

[Deleted member]

I might pick up Xenoblade to see what all the hubbub is about. But other than that I'm focusing my efforts on the Virtual Console games.

"Let's focus our efforts!"

 

[Substitution]

"Let's focus our efforts!"

...I walked into that one didn't I?

 

[Kenith]

Well said. My favorite dungeon in TP though, has to be Arbiters Grounds. I love that place

I love the Arbiter's Grounds too.
Though my favorite has to be the Temple of Time.

Homage to previous Zelda games? Check.
A use for most of your items? Check.
A great boss? Check.
Giant spider crushing statues? Check and double check.
An epic duel with a towering knight? CHECK.

 

[Will]

A doorstop

Still not flexible.

Remember that picture of a 2DS with a GCN Controller?

 

[JamesDNaux]

Why not? Sakurai wanted this to be the ultimate character game, didn't he? Wouldn't third parties be a key element?


I think this is a little Rayman bias. (to be fair, I would probably be like this too if I wanted Rayman). Why include rayman even if Ubisoft wanted them to? Is there someone from ubisoft that's best friends with sakurai like what happened with snake?

He included Rayman didn't he? Playable or not, he's there.

In regards to "ultimate character game" I hardly think random trophies that the average Joe won't even care about count. "Ultimate character game" probably refers to, you know, playable characters. If that were the case, it helps Rayman's chances.

I try to be as unbiased as possible. You don't think there's anything suspicious about two Rayman trophies popping up? If there really are more random third party trophies (extremely unlikely) then sure, but two for a single character? And if Rayman is the only random third party trophy, don't you think that'd be indicative of Ubisoft going to Sakurai and not the other way around?

And I don't think anyone from Ubisoft knows Sakurai...

But Miyamoto asked Sakurai to put Pac-Man in Brawl...

But Pac-Man, what's that got to do with it? No, ignore that part, the point is that Miyamoto asked Sakurai to add a third party...

Miyamoto and Michel Ancel have met before, they both received an award in France together.
And Ancel? He's only the creator of Rayman...

It might be a stretch, but who's to say they haven't kept in touch? Ancel could have gone to Miyamoto about Smash.
There were the Mario costumes in Legends, after all...