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Yo Earthbound fans I hope you like this as much as me. This guy did an incredible job. Just found this 3D rendering of Winters from Earthbound. I figured this is as good a place to share it as any. :)
When you see the house from the cliff...

Oh that was instant mind blown.

That is why I love that this series got so much determination in fansbae.

Really, that game was art, but this is just outstanding and I should say
 

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So I just bought SFxT for the PS Vita for $9.99, but didn't see it was for the Vita and thought it was the PS3 version for great deal. But the kicker is, I don't have a Vita. :crazy:Embarrass:redface: Guess my brother get's a Vita copy for free then.

Also I am smelling spicy chicken wings out of nowhere. Am I going crazy?:confused:
 

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So who does everyone think will be cut from Smash 4 to Smash 5?

I'd definitely say Lucina, and possibly Dark Pit, but only if Sakurai has gotten past his whole bias thing.
Most characters with a unique moveset will stay, just because the movesets are VERY different this time around.
My thoughts:

Lucina, Greninja (unless it becomes really, really popular like Lucario), Dark Pit (I don't think Sakur-bias will save him even if Sakurai stays on board for Smash), Megaman (because Capcom is practically going out of its way to make sure the character dies), and possibly Dr. Mario (it would be kind of funny if Dr. Mario appeared in every second installment).
 

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My thoughts:

Lucina, Greninja (unless it becomes really, really popular like Lucario), Dark Pit (I don't think Sakur-bias will save him even if Sakurai stays on board for Smash), Megaman (because Capcom is practically going out of its way to make sure the character dies), and possibly Dr. Mario (it would be kind of funny if Dr. Mario appeared in every second installment).
Dr. Mario I could see coming back just to have "classic Mario" style unless we get the ability to select multiple styles for characters, like the Mii Fighters do. I do entirely agree combining them fully is dumb. Brawl!Mario got the Doc's properties to a degree. He sucked. They got split in 4. Now both are awesome. The clone is what made Mario... good. Strange, no? It took two Marios to have a good regular Mario. Now if only the Samusi had the same effect. :p
 

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My 10 second limerick for Roy.

There once was a boy named Roy,
Who had a game that was yet to deploy,
Then in Brawl he was cut,
People hurt in the butt,
And now he ain't DLC.
 
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My 10 second limerick for Roy.

There once was a boy named Roy,
Who had a game that was yet to deploy,
Then in Brawl he was cut,
People hurt in the butt,
And now he ain't DLC.
Roy Koopa joke.
 

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My thoughts:

Lucina, Greninja (unless it becomes really, really popular like Lucario), Dark Pit (I don't think Sakur-bias will save him even if Sakurai stays on board for Smash), Megaman (because Capcom is practically going out of its way to make sure the character dies), and possibly Dr. Mario (it would be kind of funny if Dr. Mario appeared in every second installment).
I can see Greninja becoming really popular but not Charizard, Mewtwo, Lucario, or Pikachu popular. Just popular enough that Greninja might stay, especially if Gen VII horribly bombs for some reason.

I think Lucina could have stayed if they gave her a damned, unique move set. Same with Dark Pit, because maybe his move set would have been his saving grace, but then we look at Wolf, Mewtwo, and more... Dark Pit should have popped in SSB5 or as DLC while Medusa as a semi-clone of Palutena would have gotten less flak since she's part of the original Kid Icarus and not "Uprising-Sakurai bias". He and Lucina deserved better. Micaiah as a Zelda semi-clone would have been a better idea than Lucina as a clone or alt. Wasted Uprising weapons and wasted chance to just give Lucina Marth's move set and give Marth a fencer move set. Now they'll go down as clones rather than unique characters... I guess, Roy's there to comfort them.

For me, I don't know if Robin will stay in spite of Robin's popularity. Why? Unlike other characters, Robin's not truly defined compared to the Villager, a representation of the player, or Link, an established classic hero. I don't mean Robin lacks depth, I mean Robin's more varied than the Villager who just has skin color, hair, gender, and facial variation. Robin has height, voice, and even slightly different morals depending on the player. Not to mention different classes, but everyone in Awakening had access to class changes. I just have this feeling of uncertainty with Robin. I'd like Robin to stay, but something tells me Robin might not.

Dr. Mario as a on and off character would be hilarious. Now if only Dr. Luigi would pop up. It'd make sense since both of them can't show up or else Mushroom Kingdom will die from disease and injury. Hmm, I guess that explains why Dr. Mario never showed up in Brawl since Luigi's confirmation as a legitimate doctor. Mario was probably educating Luigi on medical practice so he can return for SSB4 and leave Luigi doing everything... As usual, scumbag Mario. As usual.

Capcom is really stupid... People want Mega Man. Gives them a crippled Lost Planet 3. Seriously, the first game was good, the second had a unique multiplayer idea, but 3 became a straight-up copy and paste of third-person shooters. Come on Capcom, we know, Nintendo knows, even Platinum Games knows you can do better and they left to show that Capcom employees are much, much more capable than whatever the hell's going on.

Anyway, I can see Pac-Man not returning if business issues are involved. Shulk might not return considering if the main character of X ends up being way too similar like what happened with Mother/EarthBound's Ninten, Ness, and Lucas; and most Fire Emblem Lords. So, Shulk might just be replaced by the MC from X, have tweaked properties, hit-boxes, etc. Hopefully that won't happen since Shulk has an interesting play-style. Monolith Soft, we're counting on you.

Also, I see Duck Hunt as an underdog-underduck since people freaked out and called BS, but I think the duo are becoming well-liked similar to Marth and Roy in Melee.
 
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Where the hell is Shulk and Shulk?

Croph, you're slacking here.


Don't worry, in my revised roster, there will be so much Shulk, that the Shulks who are Shulks who like Shulks to be Shulks who do Shulks like they're Shulks will feel overwhelmed!
 

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So who does everyone think will be cut from Smash 4 to Smash 5?

I'd definitely say Lucina, and possibly Dark Pit, but only if Sakurai has gotten past his whole bias thing.
Most characters with a unique moveset will stay, just because the movesets are VERY different this time around.
I won't directly answer the question, but rather use it to ramble...
Honestly, I think the next installment shouldn't have the focus be bringing back as many fighters as possible.
I think we've now come to a point where the roster has gotten too big.
What should happen is just have some sort of list of "must bring backs." Characters that are brought back in every installment no matter what.
That list would contain your Marios, Bowsers, Donkey Kongs, Meta Knights, what have you. You see what I'm getting at.
Any other characters should just be on rotation, or just not brought back at all in the future.
It'd be tough, it would sting, but, honestly, I think it'd be the best way to let the series grow and bring in as many new fighters as possible, while still keeping a majority of the fanbase happy. 'Cause, I mean, I'm sure less people are going to complain if Rosalina is cut versus King Dedede. You know what I mean, pink jelly bean?
I mean, what about the next installment? Let's say most everyone returns... Are they really going to try to bring back most of the 60+ characters for the next one? At that point it's getting rather ludicrous.

In this case, I think the characters that should not return (or be put on rotation, perhaps) for the next Smash are basically all of the newcomers we've gotten this time except maybe a few... Villager I think should definitely become a regular. Little Mac as well. Maybe Mega Man too.
 
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To be honest if people should be upset over any cuts it should be the ICs.
They were in both Melee and Brawl and were incredibly unique, being essentially two fighters in one. And unlike Rosalina and Luma, they attacked in tandem and had the same attacks, and one is not that effective without the other. I personally hate them, but it's understandable why people are upset.
Yeah I'm upset IC are cut, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Besides Rosalina & Luma are very unique as well and are the better IC since losing one doesn't hinder the other so much to were they barely can do anything. Also do you personally hate IC or Rosalina&Luma. I'm a little confused there.
 

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I won't directly answer the question, but rather use it to ramble...
Honestly, I think the next installment shouldn't have the focus be bringing back as many fighters as possible.
I think we've now come to a point where the roster has gotten too big.
What should happen is just have some sort of list of "must bring backs." Characters that are brought back in every installment no matter what.
That list would contain your Marios, Bowsers, Donkey Kongs, Meta Knights, what have you. You see what I'm getting at.
Any other characters should just be on rotation, or just not brought back at all in the future.
It'd be tough, it would sting, but, honestly, I think it'd be the best way to let the series grow and bring in as many new fighters as possible, while still keeping a majority of the fanbase happy. 'Cause, I mean, I'm sure less people are going to complain if Rosalina is cut versus King Dedede. You know what I mean, pink jelly bean?
I mean, what about the next installment? Let's say most everyone returns... Are they really going to try to bring back most of the 60+ characters for the next one? At that point it's getting rather ludicrous.

In this case, I think the characters that should not return (or be put on rotation, perhaps) for the next Smash are basically all of the newcomers we've gotten this time except maybe a few... Villager I think should definitely become a regular. Little Mac as well. Maybe Mega Man too.
I don't agree with this, I mean the roster isn't getting too big and every fighter with a unique moveset should return since they have something unique to them. Having a rotation with different characters to replace another is maybe the worst possible thing to do. Especially since we never even rotated characters ever and it shouldn't change there. Adding more gives players more options and helps represent a series more and a character representing a game in that series that is well received or popular.
 

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I don't agree with this, I mean the roster isn't getting too big and every fighter with a unique moveset should return since they have something unique to them. Having a rotation with different characters to replace another is maybe the worst possible thing to do. Especially since we never even rotated characters ever and it shouldn't change there. Adding more gives players more options and helps represent a series more and a character representing a game in that series that is well received or popular.
I concur that it would be bad idea. Plus, I feel like it'd be a waste of the potential of the hardware. Technological advances allow for some amazing things to be done in terms of content, why backtrack now? More representation in a game that's about various characters representing their franchises is how it should be. More options are better than less options for this kind of thing.
 
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I won't directly answer the question, but rather use it to ramble...
Honestly, I think the next installment shouldn't have the focus be bringing back as many fighters as possible.
I think we've now come to a point where the roster has gotten too big.
What should happen is just have some sort of list of "must bring backs." Characters that are brought back in every installment no matter what.
That list would contain your Marios, Bowsers, Donkey Kongs, Meta Knights, what have you. You see what I'm getting at.
Any other characters should just be on rotation, or just not brought back at all in the future.
It'd be tough, it would sting, but, honestly, I think it'd be the best way to let the series grow and bring in as many new fighters as possible, while still keeping a majority of the fanbase happy. 'Cause, I mean, I'm sure less people are going to complain if Rosalina is cut versus King Dedede. You know what I mean, pink jelly bean?
I mean, what about the next installment? Let's say most everyone returns... Are they really going to try to bring back most of the 60+ characters for the next one? At that point it's getting rather ludicrous.

In this case, I think the characters that should not return (or be put on rotation, perhaps) for the next Smash are basically all of the newcomers we've gotten this time except maybe a few... Villager I think should definitely become a regular. Little Mac as well. Maybe Mega Man too.
Wanna make a list of characters that should stay in each game? This sounds like what the King of Fighters and Street Fighter are doing and I thought SSB should too considering Nintendo's giant cast - SNK's cast is huge, so that makes sense, but I don't understand why SF is doing this. I also think there should be one-shot characters, like say, Pokémon characters. Obviously, people would rage if Charizard, Pikachu, and Mewtwo - sorry - were cut, but Greninja maybe not - people like Blaziken too, but you don't see huge masses screaming for Blaziken like Mewtwo and Charizard - since there's so many Pokémon and Lucario is apparently, to many, becoming sickeningly over-advertised.

But this raises an issue characters with unique move sets from a series with similar characters. Fire Emblem comes to mind where you can count with your fingers how many Lords and Ladies aren't you regular swordsmen or swordswomen: Leif - luckily he can be a spell-sword in his game -, Hector, Lyn, Ephraim, Eirika, Ike, and Micaiah - I'm probably missing some. Marth should stay since he's the first Fire Emblem character, but let's say Ike doesn't return and they introduce a new Fire Emblem game character and say, Sigurd. Hopefully, a Fire Emblem sequel has a Lord or Lady isn't just a generic sword-wielder, but Sigurd is kind of like Marth, but in white clothing. Great homage, but done wrong which is easy with generic sword-wielders, people would rage over Ike's cut or rotation choice. The side characters are much more varied, but usually not that well-known like say, Ekhidna, a beast of a woman who uses axes - or Panne, a Taguel who can transform into a bunny of doom.

Then there's characters who are well-known, but side characters are largely non-existent or don't have much combat shown. Captain Falcon from F-Zero comes to mind since his move set was just made up for 64. Sure, we can do that with everyone else, but having a blueprint or an idea of what a character can do like Toon Ganon or Krystal is much easier to work with.
 

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If Tekken Tag Tournament 2 can have 59 characters without breaking a sweat on a system weaker than the Wii U, then rosters shouldn't be going down. We likely could've had 60-ish characters if it weren't for that meddling 3DS.
 

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If Tekken Tag Tournament 2 can have 59 characters without breaking a sweat on a system weaker than the Wii U, then rosters shouldn't be going down. We likely could've had 60-ish characters if it weren't for that meddling 3DS.
I'm gonna have to agree with him there. I'm not saying the 3DS version sucks now that we can't have Ice Climbers or possibily even more characters due to hardware limitations, but it is pretty upsetting to know that the 3DS did limit the roster in some ways
 

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I'm gonna have to agree with him there. I'm not saying the 3DS version sucks now that we can't have Ice Climbers or possibily even more characters due to hardware limitations, but it is pretty upsetting to know that the 3DS did limit the roster in some ways
It was inevitable, but not in a severe way. It's not like the 3DS could only handle 12 characters. Then there would be no reason to make a portable SSB at this time, however, it does show that SSB can exist anywhere and be fun and competitive.
 

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it makes me so sad how this article basically says they won't be put in the game at all, not even DLC :(

Also, I'm seeing clone cuts again, but I could see Lucina make it back in.
Well, one thing to note is that we don't know how hard he worked on it. Or if they're fixable. He made it clear he gave up, so they have a ghost of a chance at DLC. I doubt it myself, though. However, maybe they could be New 3DS only DLC instead. We've had this before to a degree. Oracle of Seasons/Ages have special shops you could only open when playing on a GBA. Of course, this screws over Wii U players, but not regular 3DS players. It would fall in line with Sakurai's character statement too. The 3DS and Wii U would have the same rosters. Any future console/handheld versions are exempt from this.
 

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It was inevitable, but not in a severe way. It's not like the 3DS could only handle 12 characters. Then there would be no reason to make a portable SSB at this time, however, it does show that SSB can exist anywhere and be fun and competitive.
Yes yes! But with that in mind, is everyone's hopes on DLC kinda dead now with this in mind? At least for characters. Mine is...especially for the Ice Climbers. The article basically states that Sakurai is not gonna try with them again on the 3DS because they are't having a game for themselves, so I don't think he'll bother with them again. Love if he'd prove me wrong

Well, one thing to note is that we don't know how hard he worked on it. Or if they're fixable. He made it clear he gave up, so they have a ghost of a chance at DLC. I doubt it myself, though. However, maybe they could be New 3DS only DLC instead. We've had this before to a degree. Oracle of Seasons/Ages have special shops you could only open when playing on a GBA. Of course, this screws over Wii U players, but not regular 3DS players. It would fall in line with Sakurai's character statement too. The 3DS and Wii U would have the same rosters. Any future console/handheld versions are exempt from this.
A bit confused, how would it screw over the Wii U players? I understand you said that it could be New 3DS exclusive, but wouldn't that mean that normal 3DS [XL] / 2DS players would get screwed?
 
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Hey Wii U boards (:troll:)...I mean SmashBoards. lol Just kidding.
So nobody's expecting something new for PotDs anymore, right.
 
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Yes yes! But with that in mind, is everyone's hopes on DLC kinda dead now with this in mind? At least for characters. Mine is...especially for the Ice Climbers. The article basically states that Sakurai is not gonna try with them again on the 3DS because they are't having a game for themselves, so I don't think he'll bother with them again. Love if he'd prove me wrong
Wait, where did he say he'll never try with them? What I thought is that he gave up on them to finish the two versions and may work on them later.

A bit confused, how would it screw over the Wii U players? I understand you said that it could be New 3DS exclusive, but wouldn't that mean that normal 3DS [XL] / 2DS players would get screwed?
3DS and 2DS are the same system overall. Just varieties of it. Think of it like the Game Boy and Game Boy Pocket.

It screws over Wii U players because they don't get the characters, of course. And yes, it screws over 3DS players too.

Note how in this case, Sakurai keeps his word. He said the 3DS and Wii U version will have the same rosters, right? Any new system does not count for this. I still find it kind of lame, but he cannot be accused of lying here. The New 3DS is a new system with new hardware and games. It's not a slightly different version of the exact same system. Compare the Game Boy and Game Boy Pocket. They are the same system overall. The DS and DSi however are not. If it can have an exclusive game due to system differences, it's a new system. If it can't, it's still the old system. Remember the n64? It could be given an expansion pack. But you don't get a new system to do this. You just upgrade it with a quick item. Now, let's say there was a special new n64 that had a major upgrade that could play an entirely new set of exclusive games. That's a new system.

Another good way to put it is that two unique systems can exist within the same generation.
 

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Hey Wii U boards (:troll:)...I mean SmashBoards. lol Just kidding.
So nobody's expecting something new for PotDs anymore, right.
I'm waiting for bombshells on any topic to emerge at any moment.

It's a bit stressful, but on the upside, no news is insignificant.
 

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Wait, where did he say he'll never try with them? What I thought is that he gave up on them to finish the two versions and may work on them later.
Too me, it feels like after he saw they weren't working on the 3DS, that it was over for them. The article did say they had hardly any priority because of their lack of games (being only one game) and with nothing new going to be released staring them, they just stopped trying to get them on the 3DS. That's what it sounds like to me at least :\. Just being a bit negative about their situation, probably cuz I'm upset about their disappearance.

It screws over Wii U players because they don't get the characters, of course. And yes, it screws over 3DS players too.
Now thats what I don't understand though. If the New 3DS had better hardware and the DID release DLC for Smash, wouldn't the Wii U easily access the DLC for it too?

I think of it like how Marvel vs Capcom 3 did it, in which the alternate costumes and the two DLC characters, Jill and Shuma Gorath were available for the handheld versions (albeit the PSV version came out soooo much later)
 

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Anyone ever gone to buckle?

Every one in a while I walk in there because I see something good

Then I see the price tag

And there is NO WAY I'd pay $80 for a T-Shirt

I wouldn't even pay $40 for some of their T-Shirts

It looks kind of cool but what the hell on it is worth that much money?
 

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Anyone ever gone to buckle?

Every one in a while I walk in there because I see something good

Then I see the price tag

And there is NO WAY I'd pay $80 for a T-Shirt

I wouldn't even pay $40 for some of their T-Shirts

It looks kind of cool but what the hell on it is worth that much money?
It's to remind you that outsourced sweatshop child labour comes at a steep karmic cost.
 

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I don't agree with this, I mean the roster isn't getting too big and every fighter with a unique moveset should return since they have something unique to them. Having a rotation with different characters to replace another is maybe the worst possible thing to do. Especially since we never even rotated characters ever and it shouldn't change there. Adding more gives players more options and helps represent a series more and a character representing a game in that series that is well received or popular.
I should mention that I'm also speaking from a stance on where I want Smash to go in the future. Regardless of whether hardware makes a 100-character roster or whatever is possible is not as relevant as the time and manpower that would still need to go into making it a reality.
Right now, Smash is a once in a console generation kind of series. It's unlike many other series of its kind. (Other fighting game franchises, I mean.) I'd like Smash to step out of this.
Having a sort of "trim-able" roster would make doing so much easier. And would make having characters on a sort of "rotation" easier to deal with from a player's perspective.
I mean, let's say starting with Smash 7, we reach this type of system I brought up. In the Smash 7 roster, Robin is not present.
However, Smash 8 comes around, Robin is back alongside, I don't know, Bowser Jr. and a few of the newcomers from Smash 7. Normally this would be torturous, but what if instead of there being a six or seven year long gap in between these titles, there was only half that?

It seems to me that the reason people are so against cuts in Smash is because Smash has established itself as a fighting game franchise which always tries its best to bring back as man fighters as possible. I'll admit, it was wrong of me to say that it's too big already. And maybe it won't be too big a roster with the next entry as well. But what about three or four entries down the line? With the amount of time and energy that would need to go into programming and balancing all those character, don't you think there will eventually come a time where trying to bring back everyone from the last title, while also trying to bring in enough new fighters to satisfy the consumers, would just be too large a task for what it would be worth in the end?
In my opinion, the answer is yes. It may not happen with the next entry or even the next two after that, but it will happen eventually, and it wouldn't be a result of hardware limitations.
 

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I bought a T-shirt shirt at H & M today for $16 and I was cringing at that price tag honestly
 

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Too me, it feels like after he saw they weren't working on the 3DS, that it was over for them. The article did say they had hardly any priority because of their lack of games (being only one game) and with nothing new going to be released staring them, they just stopped trying to get them on the 3DS. That's what it sounds like to me at least :\. Just being a bit negative about their situation, probably cuz I'm upset about their disappearance.
I think he's saying that instead of trying to work on them for ages is a bad idea since it gives him no time to do the rest of the game. So their priority is lower due to the "time limitations on development". He didn't find them key enough for the games and wanted the rest done. That's how I see it, of course. With a 200 people staff, they could easily fix them for the 3DS version. If they can be fixed, anyway.

Now thats what I don't understand though. If the New 3DS had better hardware and the DID release DLC for Smash, wouldn't the Wii U easily access the DLC for it too?[/quote]
Then the 3DS version doesn't get it. See the issue here? Overall, the 3DS and Wii U versions were said to have the same roster. Period.

I think of it like how Marvel vs Capcom 3 did it, in which the alternate costumes and the two DLC characters, Jill and Shuma Gorath were available for the handheld versions (albeit the PSV version came out soooo much later)
Yes, but Sakurai is not them. He's more hardheaded about things. I think having a New 3DS and an entirely new console version for it to connect to has a higher chance of happening than New 3DS/Wii U exclusives.
 

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Then the 3DS version doesn't get it. See the issue here? Overall, the 3DS and Wii U versions were said to have the same roster. Period.


Yes, but Sakurai is not them. He's more hardheaded about things. I think having a New 3DS and an entirely new console version for it to connect to has a higher chance of happening than New 3DS/Wii U exclusives.
Oooooohhh I think I understand now.....hmmm...but the New3DS could still run 3DS games...so if they made DLC and yet its only for N3DS and they put it on the Wii U...wouldn't that kinda be like a loophole, because in a sense they are putting them for a 3DS and the Wii U
 
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