Tito Maas
Smash Ace
What is the metagame if it's not impressions? The metagame isn't the ability of a character, it's the ability of a character as perceived and discovered by the community. If nobody can tell Pit is changing, then the metagame is staling, yes. You described a stale metagame very well.-DK's meta has only been developing more because of the buffs from recent patches (specifically uthrow)
-Ryu is a newer character of course there is alot to still learn about him.
-Same for Roy
-Metaknight has only started developing recently, ever since people realised that he isn't completely worse than brawl just different and started picking him up. His meta was always there, people only noticed it when Leo and Abadango brought it into the light.
-Yoshi and ZSS have developed just about as much as pit imo, I haven't seen any developments too major in any of them.
If you're bringing up the viability impressions thread, notice the keyword there: Impressions. Its based on what people have seen, That in no way relates to or means our meta is staling it just means there are not many people out there representing pit or witnessing his meta grow, at least not enough to leave a lasting impression.
Our meta is developing, we ain't gonna be having breakthroughs every day where we find a new 0-death combo but it is developing at a steady pace. Here are a few cool things I can point out that were recently discovered or are undergoing experimenting.
-Did you know a B-reverse upperdash arm makes pit step forward instead of back essentially increasing how far the upperdash goes? I have yet to see any Pit do this on stream or in tourney....
-Pit can pull a shiek where he can true combo fair>fair or nair>fair or nair>nair>nair, carrying people accros the stage (to a certain extent).
-New shield mechanics; some of pits moves are better in neutral, better so than most because of his long range, multihit moves and autocancels. e.g you can fast fall autocancel a nair and nick someones shield then immediately use upperdash to pull back avoiding a shield grab.
-Pit's nair can lead into smash attacks or grabs at kill percents without knocking them away, while still getting the autocancel. That combined with new shield mechanics making nair a tad bit safer too.
Nairo playing a character well doesn't make that character stronger or more viable. If that character was good in the first place then he will remain good regardless (in this context), Nairo was basically showing that pit is good not changing/making the character any better. His results did nothing but that, show how viable that character is and give people an idea of where he should be placed on tier lists or viability impressions, etc. Pit wasn't buffed or anything because of Nairo's results.
Also Nairo did play Zelda and he was beating top level players if that tells you anything about Zelda.
You're not saying smashboard discussions don't advance a game meta are you? Because that is absurd. We all come here and we either have friendly discussions creating a tighter community within the character we main. We either contribute, share ideas or new things we've learned about our character with everyone else, or we learn ourselves from what others have already discovered. All of this helps in developing our meta as a whole. I've told you this so many times but people on stream or in tournament are only showcasing their character's meta. They may or may not have developed it themeselves. If Nairo had been the one all along who came up wiith our combos, our advanced techniques, our meta....him alone....then it would probably be a bigger issue but its not because we're coming up with these things just fine on our own as a group, here, on smashboards.
"Actually, almost all of the Pit advancement to begin with (if not all), is probably because of Nairo's results with him."
.....this isn't completely true. Ummm I'm not sure how thoroughly you've read my previous posts....but you seem to be missing out on alot of the key points I'm mentioning, especially the parts where I say Nairo isn't dropping Pit, he's used them recently, just not at tippy-top levels anymore like he used to. (i.e against ZeRo, MVD, etc).
(I'd understand if you cbs reading my posts though lol, I know, I write freaking essays)
And lmao! I didn't know that NAir string was a true combo
I was wondering why no one ever got out of it. And is NAir to Smash a string or TC?Results are the primary force in moving a meta. For example, everyone who ever played a Meta Knight and everyone in the Meta Knight boards knew Meta Knight was good. It wasn't until LEO showed it through high level play against high level opponents that people started to believe it. So Smashboards discussions don't move metas. They give the players the tools to move the meta. A coach can tell a player how to win, but until the player puts it to action and get results, that's all it is.
I know Nairo hasn't completely dropped Pit. He just may as well have. He's not even the go-to secondary anymore, seemingly, though he does have fleeting appearances is top play every now and again.
