Perfect, actually. Kudos to
The Merc
for wanting to help.
Yep, Fair and Nair are as crazy as I thought. Shieldstun patch borked Pit and we're the only ones that noticed. Well, compared to other swordsmen anyway. Pit's Fair technically has an advantage over Shiek's in that it can't be perfect shielded, and I'm pretty sure Sheik's Fair isn't safe on a power shield. The fact that you can PS stuff is basically the only thing keeping the queens touchable from what I hear... But that's not important right now.
Speaking of tech, are there any new techs that I should be trying out or that we could incorporate more on?
Well actually I just came up with some Dark Pit stuff.
Nairo
might as well hear this too because it sounds like something he could really abuse.
Yes I was going to post this before Nairo came in. Not that much of a fanboy lol.
First though, a note on Electroshock. Being electrical and all it's really easy to DI. About 20 frames to DI from the frame you're
hit to when you're launched. Probably can DI it on reaction, especially considering the startup. Mario goes from dying at like 80% to 100% in training from the reset position. Data on DI'd rage Electroshock coming soon.
But anyway, I found a setup into Electroshock. From the "worse" Ftilt of course, heh. Characters with a high enough gravity (Diddy and higher from what I've seen, look at Kuroganehammer) get launched far enough from a sour Ftilt to go into tumble and still get pulled down enough to hit the ground during hitstun at percents Electroshock can kill with optimal DI. Meaning it's a techchase situation, and I'm pretty sure Electroshock can beat a neutral tech, a tech roll and any missed tech option with proper spacing and timing. Probably not both tech rolls at the same time though.
Just don't get incredibly excited yet, this is in training. There's still a ton of not entirely understood factors at work here, like if they DI Ftilt, freshness, how angle 361 (Sakurai angle?) works with rage, how the tipper Ftilt works into this... Whelp, guess I know where my free time's going this week.