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Skull Kid; The Lost Puppet - Assist Trophy status confirmed

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Vaati's games were not very popular. Legend of Zelda 4 Swords Adventures is the worse selling game of the Zelda series.

Skysword Sword was the worse selling of the major 3D Zelda console releases. It was behind Ocarina, Twilight, Majora, and Windwaker.
ike's games are some of the worst selling in the entire FE series, and yet he still managed to get into Brawl. Sales aren't a good indicator of whether or not a character will get into Smash.
 

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ike's games are some of the worst selling in the entire FE series, and yet he still managed to get into Brawl. Sales aren't a good indicator of whether or not a character will get into Smash.

I can say there is some truth to that but relevance isn't really a factor either. I don't think Ghirahim is that much of a shoe-in that people think he will be or that he is ahead of some of these older Zelda characters.
 

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I can say there is some truth to that but relevance isn't really a factor either. I don't think Ghirahim is that much of a shoe-in that people think he will be or that he is ahead of some of these older Zelda characters.
Well as I said before with the car company example, they aren't going to pick a character like Zant over Ghirahim for obvious reasons. In other words, unless Skull Kid and Majora's Mask are remade, he isn't getting in.
 

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Vaati's games were not very popular. Legend of Zelda 4 Swords Adventures is the worse selling game of the Zelda series.
Like Swampasaur said, sales don't matter to any great extent. Having a major appearance in multiple Zelda games is enough to elevate a character above one-timers (or characters with only one major appearance), as recurring major characters outside Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Epona, Impa, and Tingle are few and far between. Again, I don't think Vaati has a good chance either, but Skull Kid is hardly more likely. In reality, neither really has much of a shot.

Skysword Sword was the worse selling of the major 3D Zelda console releases. It was behind Ocarina, Twilight, Majora, and Windwaker.
The second Zelda on a system always sells worse. However, SS did sell better than MM, maybe check your numbers again. But again, sales don't matter. If you don't think SS is going to get the majority of the Zelda content in SSB4, you're a bit naive.

Under the recent logic, I guess we should cut Ganondorf and Sheik as well since they haven't been recent. Also if you want to step outside of LoZ series, why not cut Marth from FE because he is no longer relevant. I don't really think it works that way.
Yeah, because a character with one major appearance is equal to that of the primary antagonist of the whole series. Also, adding a character who hasn't had a recent appearance is hardly the same thing as cutting an existing Smash character without a recent appearance. As for Marth, I guess recent remakes of two games, major referencing and highly-promoted DLC in Awakening, and SMTxFE don't count as relevant. :rolleyes: As for when he wasn't recent, like around Melee and Brawl, being the most popular character, having a major role more than once in a series with a changing cast, and being the most iconic and "face" of the series do count for something. Skull Kid can't claim to have any of these. He's hardly the most popular character in his series, he's only had one major appearance in a relatively static cast, and the only thing he could be described as iconic or the face of would be his one major game.

Tingle maybe a good point but his absence from major Zelda titles in recent history does speak volumes.
You do realize you're arguing for a character who has also been absent in the last three Zelda titles, and hasn't had an important role for the last ten?
 

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Yeah, because a character with one major appearance is equal to that of the primary antagonist of the whole series. Also, adding a character who hasn't had a recent appearance is hardly the same thing as cutting an existing Smash character without a recent appearance. As for Marth, I guess recent remakes of two games, major referencing and highly-promoted DLC in Awakening, and SMTxFE don't count as relevant. :rolleyes: As for when he wasn't recent, like around Melee and Brawl, being the most popular character, having a major role more than once in a series with a changing cast, and being the most iconic and "face" of the series do count for something. Skull Kid can't claim to have any of these. He's hardly the most popular character in his series, he's only had one major appearance in a relatively static cast, and the only thing he could be described as iconic or the face of would be his one major game.
^Pretty much this.
 

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You do realize you're arguing for a character who has also been absent in the last three Zelda titles, and hasn't had an important role for the last ten?
To be fair, Tingle does make a cameo in SS. All the better for our argument. :smirk:
 

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To be fair, Tingle does make a cameo in SS. All the better for our argument. :smirk:
I guess. I didn't really count it as "Tingle himself" but that could just be me. He's still referenced. It's kinda moot though, because he'll obviously be making an appearance in the WW remake. It's not a new appearance or anything, but he'll be back in peoples' minds.
 

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I can see Tingle's argument. I just don't see how Ghirahim or Vaati have any better chances than Skull Kid. I think relevance is the only tired argument you can think of and nothing about Smash Brothers has indicated that characters get in based on current relevance. (at the time of Brawl, Diddy Kong had not been in anything other than Mario spin-offs, Pokemon Trainer is gen 1, and Ice Climbers had not been relevant since NES days until Smash Melee).


Also if it wasn't for Japan, Tingle would have died a long time ago.
 

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Well to be honest, you have Lucario, Ike, and Lucas. IS could have easily picked a different lord other than Ike, but they didn't. This is likely because he was the newest lord. Lucario was a new marketable Pokemon, and Lucas was the latest protagonist for Mother.

Granted, recentness isn't the sole reason these characters got in (well maybe Lucas), but it definitely was a factor in some sort. If it wasn't, then why couldn't IS have picked Alm or some other lord that hadn't appeared in awhile?

But besides that, the thing that Skull Kid has going against him that he just isn't popular enough or well known enough. Tack that onto the fact that his only important game is like 10 years old and he's done.

EDIT: I also don't understand why people treat recentness as a bad reason to include a character. Of course Nintendo is going to include newer characters from a series. Smash Bros. is a giant marketing campaign. If there are new and popular characters, what is the problem?
 

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I can see Tingle's argument. I just don't see how Ghirahim or Vaati have any better chances than Skull Kid. I think relevance is the only tired argument you can think of and nothing about Smash Brothers has indicated that characters get in based on current relevance. (at the time of Brawl, Diddy Kong had not been in anything other than Mario spin-offs, Pokemon Trainer is gen 1, and Ice Climbers had not been relevant since NES days until Smash Melee).
Man, NEVER use retros in a argument about relevance.

I'll address the Ghirahim and Vaati arguments though. (The points are in order of decreasing importance)

What does Ghirahim have:
1. Popularity
2. Canonically, a huge importance to the Zelda series (a lot more than Vaati and Toon Link), as he sets in motion the entire timeline.

Problems:
1. Currently one shot. Whether he appears in future games remains to be seen.

What does Vaati have:
1. A Boss in three games.
2. The best villain representative of the Toon Link games.

Problems:
1. Not important to the series now.

What does Skull Kid have:
1. Boss in one game, next to no role to two others.
2. The possibility of the MM remake, which (if it ever does take place) will be released AFTER Smash 4.

Problems:
1. Not important to the series now. (Even less important than Vaati)
 

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Ghirahim to me wasn't even that important in SS. He is the weapon of a major villain but not a major villain himself. I have never understood the love affair for Ghirahim on this board because I don't see it anywhere else. Demise is far more likely villain to appear then Ghirahim. I don't see how Ghirahim is even that important to the series, it is DEMISE that is important since he becomes the fore-runner and spirit of Ganondorf.

I do think Ghirahim would have a fun moveset but Skull Kid would have a better one. In fact Vaati, Ghirahim, and Skull Kid all three could have an interesting moveset.

I mean I would be happy if any of the 3 made it in but I doubt any of them make it.
 

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What FalKoopa said, plus the fact that Ness was going to be cut in favour of Lucas, Sakurai was actively seeking a Gen 2 Pokemon to include in Melee, and probably Sheik's inclusion all had to do with recentness. It's possible recentness also played a factor for Ike and Lucario, though it wouldn't be the only factor. In any case, recentness does play its part.

Ghirahim to me wasn't even that important in SS. He is the weapon of a major villain but not a major villain himself. I have never understood the love affair for Ghirahim on this board because I don't see it anywhere else.
First off, if you don't see popularity for Ghirahim elsewhere, look harder. It's there. Even more than it is here. Here it's actually less than other places. Second, the same can be said about Skull Kid and Majora as with Ghirahim and Demise.

Demise is far more likely villain to appear then Ghirahim. I don't see how Ghirahim is even that important to the series, it is DEMISE that is important since he becomes the fore-runner and spirit of Ganondorf.
Yeah, and Ghirahim was the reason Demise even got summoned, which set the whole series into play. What has Skull Kid done for the series as a whole? Even if Demise is the pre-cursor to Ganondorf, Ghirahim is more popular, more prominent, and more feasible for Smash. You don't see people suggesting Majora as playable over Skull Kid. In any case, Ghirahim and Demise are both more important to the series than Skull Kid is.
 

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I thought that was a generally known fact. I don't think they would ever use a skull kid that didn't wear the mask.
 

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The point is, most the characters being added into Smash are not being added for relevance now in games. Wario, for example, has a game series that really isn't that popular and hasn't been in a mainline Mario game since 64 DS but was still practically a lock to be in Brawl.

To be honest, I don't think Ghirahim, Skull Kid/Majora, or Vaati have a chance to be in the game and I would be happy to see any of the three. Out of the three, I prefer Skull Kid/Majora due to moveset potential and I actually liked the character and the game he was in. The other two are characters from mediocre games that are really not as popular as their loud fan bases make them out to be.
 

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The other two are characters from mediocre games that are really not as popular as their loud fan bases make them out to be.
You dare call Minish Cap a mediocre game? :glare:

As for popularity,
Shortie's poll said:
1.Megaman [Capcom] 975
2.Mewtwo [Pokemon] 862
3.Ridley [ Metroid] 648
4.Little Mac [Punch Out] 626
5.King K. Rool [Donkey Kong] 625
6.Waluigi [Super Mario] 528
7.Isaac [Golden Sun] 511
8.Bowser Junior [Super Mario] 481
9.Roy [Fire Emblem] 480
10.Ghirahim [Legend Of Zelda] 468
11.Palutena [Kid Icarus] 453
12.Krom [Fire Emblem] 418
13.Shulk [Xenoblade] 391
14.Krystal [StarFox] 384
15.Zoroark [Pokemon] 378
16.Pac - Man [Namco] 373
17.Geno [Square Enix] 337
18.Toad [Super Mario] 299
19.Dixie Kong [Donkey Kong] 256
20.Takamaru [Murasame Castle] 249
21.Samurai Goroh [F-Zero] 228
22.Saki [Sin & Punishment] 219
23.Bandana Dee [Kirby] 193
24.Black Shadow [F-Zero] 184
25.Mona [WarioWare] 165
Ghirahim is 10th on the list, ahead of characters like Palutena and Shulk.

Early 2012 poll said:

A Tier

1. King K. Rool (265)
2. Ridley (260)

B Tier
3. Mewtwo (248)
4. Isaac (232)
5. Little Mac (224)
6. Toad (217)
7. Krystal (206)
8. Megaman (201)

C Tier
9. Medusa (172)
10. Dixie Kong (166)
11. Samurai Goroh (150)
12. Palutena (146)
13. Bandana Dee (145)
14. Roy (142)

D Tier
15. Saki (135)
16. Bowser Junior (134)
17. Ghirahim (134)
18. Zoroark (134)
19. Shulk (122)
20. Takamaru (120)
21. Victini (119)
22. Black Shadow (119)
23. Ashley (113)
24. Super Mari RPG (110)
25. Pichu / Bros (109)
26. Paper Mario (108)
27. Starfy (108)
28. Plusle & Minun (105)
29. Waluigi (101)
30. Caeda (100)
31. Mii (100)

E Tier
32. Banjo & Kazooie (99)
33. Ray MK (94)
34. Claus / Masked Man (91)
35. Tom Nook (91)
36. Captain Syrup (89)
37. Bomberman (86)
38. Chrome (83)
39. Impa (82)
40. Professor Layton (80)
41. Meowth (78)
42. NO 3rd PARTIES (81)
43. Lip (77)
44. Tingle (72)
45. Lyn (71)
46. Balloon Fighter (66)
47. Pac-Man (65)
48. Sukapon (64)
49. Deoxys (63)
50. Doc (59)
51. Majora (59)
52. Mach Rider (59)
53. Final Fantasy (58)
54. Hector (57)
55. Andy (57)
56. Kamek (56)
57. Dragon Quest (55)
58. Mona (54)
59. Pokemon Trainer Hoenn (54)
60. Black Knight (54)
61. Elite Beat Agents (53)
62. Vaati (52)
63. Pokemon Trainer Johto (52)
64. Anthony Higgs (52)

F Tier
65. Pokemon Trainer Unova (49)
66. Fawful (48)
67. Magnus (48)
68. Matthew (48)
69. Dark Samus (46)
70. Porky (46)
71. Alex of Golden Sun (46)
72. CastleVania (46)
73. Jimmy T (45)
74. Micaiah (45)
75. Dillon (45)
76. Sabure Prince (45)
77. Rayman (45)
78. Felix (44)
79. Tetra (43)
80. Young Link (43)
81. Kingdom Hearts (43)
82. Travis Touchdown (43)
83. Muddy Mole (42)
84. Cranky Kong (41)
85. Funky Kong (41)
86. Ephiraim (40)
87. Chibi-Robo (40)
88. Toon Zelda (39)
89. Duster (39)
90. Kumatora (39)
91. Street Fighter (39)
92. Pokemon Trainer Villain (38)
93. Midna (37)
94. Captain N (35)
95. Jill of Drill Dozer (35)
96. Shy Guy (34)
97. Gardevior (33)
98. Isa Jo (33)
99. Pokemon Trainer Sinnoh (32)
100. Poo (32)
101. Prince Fluff (31)
102. Slippy (31)
103. Ninten (31)
104. Ryu Hayabusa (31)
105. Pokemon Trainer N (30)
106. Peppy (30)
107. Toon Ganondorf (29)
108. Eirika (29)
109. Eggplant Wizard (29)
110. K.K Slider (29)
111. Baby Mario (28)
112. Demise (28)
113. Wolf Link (28)
114. Sylux (28)
115. Captain Rainbow (28)
116. Elza (28)
117. Villager (27)
118. King Boo (26)
119. Daisy (25)
120. Leon (25)
121. Jeff (25)
122. Mike (24)
123. Orublon (24)
124. Flint (24)
125. Kanan (24)
126. Mike Jones (24)
127. Soren (23)
128. Baby Luigi (22)
129. Paula (22)
130. Dr. Crygor (21)
131. Knuckle Joe (21)
132. Panther (21)
133. Bubbles (21)
134. Liz (20)
135. Tales Series (20)
136. Genesect (19)
137. Jody Summer (19)
138. Darkrai (18)
139. Louie (18)
140. Boney (17)
141. Yarn Kirby (16)
142. Blood Falcon (16)
143. Resident Evil (16)
144. Demille (15)
145. Urban Champion (15)
146. Pico (14)
147. Excited Biker (14)
148. Baby Bowser (13)
149. Dark Pit (13)
150. Lololo & Lalala (12)
151. Elliwood (12)
152. Sigurd (12)
153. Alice (12)
154. Kyle Hyde (12)
155. Soul Calibur (12)
156. Donkey Kong Junoir (11)
157. Deathborn (11)
158. Alex Roivas (11)
159. Ryota Hayami (11)
160. Daroach (10)
161. Heracles (10)
162. Ryuta (10)
163. Dr. Stewart (9)
164. Ana (9)
165. Ayumi Tachibana (9)
166. Dr. Write (9)
167. John Rami (9)
168. Welt (9)
169. Kalimba Tiki (8)
170. Marx (8)
171. Ashley Robbins (8)
172. Hunter (8)
173. Labrador / Grey Tabby (8)
174. Lark (8)
175. Magolor (7)
176. Leaf (7)
177. EVE (6)
178. Loid (6)
179. Diskun (6)
180. Tamagon (5)
181. Celice (4)
182. Teddy (4)
183. Hero of Magic Starsign (4)
Ghirahim stands 17th on the poll, Skull Kid (listed as Majora) is 52nd.

This shows that not only is he popular, but his popularity is RISING.

And for that matter, Vaati doesn't have a loud fanbase. Most people realise that he missed his chance in Brawl. Though I can bet he's more popular than Skull Kid atleast.
 

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Man, NEVER use retros in a argument about relevance.

I'll address the Ghirahim and Vaati arguments though. (The points are in order of decreasing importance)

What does Ghirahim have:
1. Popularity
2. Canonically, a huge importance to the Zelda series (a lot more than Vaati and Toon Link), as he sets in motion the entire timeline.

Problems:
1. Currently one shot. Whether he appears in future games remains to be seen.

What does Vaati have:
1. A Boss in three games.
2. The best villain representative of the Toon Link games.

Problems:
1. Not important to the series now.

What does Skull Kid have:
1. Boss in one game, next to no role to two others.
2. The possibility of the MM remake, which (if it ever does take place) will be released AFTER Smash 4.

Problems:
1. Not important to the series now. (Even less important than Vaati)
This isn't relevant, but don't forget about the CRAZY breaking of the Forth Wall in Majora's Mask. To me, that shows that it is one of the more memorable games, with it's darker tone and overbearing sadness..
 

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Let's face it, the N64 Zeldas are sometimes considered the top Zelda games. They are among my favorites (I have to say Twilight was my favorite 3D Zelda).

Majora and Ocarina on a recent competition made it to the finals against each other for Best Zelda game ever. I don't see Skyward Sword or any of Vaati's games among that mix. Majora's Mask has been one of the most requested titles for a remake. Majora/Skull Kid is the villain in that game. I would say he would bring popularity to the series if he is in the game. Also your poll doesn't even have Skull Kid/Majora as an option. I am sure if you put Knuckles or Shadow as an option, both would be in the top ten but the poll is designed to reflect the characters that a select few on this board believe will be in the game.
 

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Let's face it, the N64 Zeldas are sometimes considered the top Zelda games. They are among my favorites (I have to say Twilight was my favorite 3D Zelda).

Majora and Ocarina on a recent competition made it to the finals against each other for Best Zelda game ever. I don't see Skyward Sword or any of Vaati's games among that mix. Majora's Mask has been one of the most requested titles for a remake. Majora/Skull Kid is the villain in that game. I would say he would bring popularity to the series if he is in the game. Also your poll doesn't even have Skull Kid/Majora as an option. I am sure if you put Knuckles or Shadow as an option, both would be in the top ten but the poll is designed to reflect the characters that a select few on this board believe will be in the game.
And sometimes they are considered the worst. The quality of a game is relative and is complete opinion.

Never use that as an argument.

I like how you treat Shortie's poll like it isn't what the majority find likely.
 

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I will say, he's the most popular one shot Zelda character. Who is considered "No longer relevant."

51. Majora (59)
In 2012, out of 400 votes.

40. Majora (119)
In 2011, out of 700 votes


And unlike you guys just SAYING, something is popular, my polls actually SHOW something as popular. They may not be the greatest evidence, but it's a hell of a lot better than someone just SAYING something's popular.

And, after looking at my polls again Midna,Toon Zelda, Young Link, and Tetra beat him in 2011. And Impa and Tingle beat him in 2012
 

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And sometimes they are considered the worst. The quality of a game is relative and is complete opinion.

Never use that as an argument.

I like how you treat Shortie's poll like it isn't what the majority find likely.


Ok anyone that is saying Ocarina and Major are the worse game is clearly out of touch with the Legend of Zelda series. I would say IGN, Gamespy, and nearly every other expert disagrees. Ocarina is held out as arguably the BEST VIDEO GAME ever made by IGN. I am done with this discussion.
 

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Point is, the only day we will know who made it in SSB4 is the day they are revealed at E3, or they are shown at the Dojo.
 

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Well it is needed to be pointed out that this is a Skull Kid/Majora support thread, funny more posters are coming in here to push other characters instead of him.
 

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Well it is needed to be pointed out that this is a Skull Kid/Majora support thread, funny more posters are coming in here to push other characters instead of him.
Strange how that works.... I guess people want their character in no matter what.... and when the characters are revealed, all we have is a huge storm of complaining.

I think people get WAY to wrapped up in just trying to get a character in. What about stages? What about GAMEPLAY? These things are widely ignored. Most are just like: "HEY!! NEW SMASH!!!! Let's have so-and-so in because I like them!"

Now, don't get me wrong, people such as Super Smash Bros. Fan and Kwiki-Kiwi have actually brought decent arguments to the table.

I think for most people's support for so-and-so, I'd just like a few more facts and decent, documented reasons why they have a better chance than Mr. Hanafuda.
 

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Well as I mentioned before I would be surprised if Vaati, Skull Kid, or Ghirahim made the cut.

Impa and Demise are the elephants in the room no one is talking about. Demise has a good chance because of his importance and because he could be a clone of Ganondorf and therefore easier to make for Sakurai under time constraints.

Impa is also easily able to take the Shiek role as Diddy Kong keeps stating and is more important to the franchise then anybody we have discussed in this thread.

Then you also have Tingle that could be an oddball choice but I will have to say his chances also beat out Skull Kid, Vaati, or Ghirahim.

Then again this is all speculation. Sakurai could want Ghirahim in because his moveset is exciting and he is a fun character that could draw fans. Same holds true for Skull Kid.
 

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Want my opinion? These polls are given too much weight. They may be the only real evidence we have, but they are not totally accurate of what the fan base wants.

Ghirahim ranking in at no. 10. Does anybody really think he's the 10th most popular Nintendo character not already in Smash?

Spoiler: He isn't.

When I first played Skyward Sword, all I could think was, "Ghirahim could be in Smash! Great!"

Do I actually like him? Not really. I just thought at that time that he had a huge chance, and supported him because he was recent. I had played SS, knew of the character, assessed his probability of inclusion in Smash 4, and supported him because of it.

It's this "Recentness Bias" that makes it difficult to assess his true popularity. The same applies to characters like Chrom, and Zoroark, because they're considered by many casuals to be shoe-ins because of their recentness.

Over in Pokemon and Fire Emblem discussions, we see that Chrom and Zoroark are losing popularity when we talk about who we actually want to see included. Even Lucina has more popularity most of the time than Chrom from what I've seen, and I'm sure as a whole Pokemon fans would prefer someone like... Deoxys for example, but they don't actually see that as a possibility. This is because they see Zoro as Sakurai's new Lucario.

So do I think Skull Kid is wildly popular? Not necessarily. But I don't think Ghirahim will be popular for very long. Unless he appears in other games that is.
Adding on to that, Skyward Sword is a mediocre game that didn't sell well, and when Zelda WiiU is released, Ghirahim will probably be forgotten.
 

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Why don't we compare Sheik's inclusion in Smash Bros with reasons why Skull Kid should be in Smash Bros.
I heard Sheik was wildly popular during the Melee days.... On the other hand, Skull Kid's popularity is similar to Ness's; emerging long after the release of the game. I really don't think it's sufficient.

Oddly enough, Zelda has the largest pool of significant characters to choose from - Vaati, Tingle, Ghirahim, Impa, Toon Zelda, Tetra, - and yet we don't have a strong reason to believe that Zelda will get a newcomer at all.
 

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@ FalKoopa,

I would say Mario series is up there too with Waluigi, Toad, Daisy, Rosalina, Paper Mario, Dr. Mario, Petey Piranha, Bowser Jr, Kamek, and Birdo.

Pokemon is a nightmare trying to guess their picks, I really don't comment. I believe Mewtwo will return and I am hoping for no cuts, after that anything is fair games.

Fire Emblem is another one that is crazy. It is good though because it gives us good material to discuss/speculate.
 

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Skull Kid woul've been so much better to have in Melee than Sheik.

Sheik wasn't 'widly popular' either. She was just as popular as Zelda and Young Link where. The biggest, baddest, and most popular Zelda character pre-Melee was Ganondorf.
 

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Diddy please, we get you like Impa and don't like Sheik. But keep that in their respective threads.
 

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Partially my fault guys as I have referenced the other Zelda challengers in my posts from the start. Lets talk more about Skull Kid and less about Ghirahim, Impa, Shiek, etc.
 

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I personally, do not support Skull Kid as a playable character. However, I believe he could be a pretty cool assist trophy. He could smash:awesome: the moon into the stage, almost like Olimar's Final Smash.

But that is purely my opinion.
 

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I neutral to Skull Kid's inclusion, but even among Zelda characters, I'd much prefer Tetra or Tingle.
 

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Stop trolling other threads, or I'll resort to reporting your posts. :glare:
LET ME STATE THIS DIFFERENTLY:

I personally felt Skull Kid would've been a better newcomer for Melee out of all Zelda newcomers included in Melee not named Zelda or Ganondorf. And seeing as Skull Kid is Young Link's villain, I wouldn't mind if they included Skull Kid to Melee, and not Sheik.
 

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LET ME STATE THIS DIFFERENTLY:

I personally felt Skull Kid would've been a better newcomer for Melee out of all Zelda newcomers included in Melee not named Zelda or Ganondorf. And seeing as Skull Kid is Young Link's villain, I wouldn't mind if they included Skull Kid to Melee, and not Sheik.

That actually makes a lot of sense. You have adult Link with villain and Young Link with his villain.
 

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That would've been a good idea. However, everyone who played OoT back in the day thought Sheik was just a bad ass. I'm very glad Sheik is in too.

I think they could still include Skull Kid though, that would give them reason to keep the Great Bay stage. Or maybe even a Clock Town one. I think Majora's Mask would be a great game to pull content from overall.
 
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